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My fellow Biafran I am not trying to start a fight, However there are certain issue that we have to address. There is a say in Igbo land about Nwa evele ako. Nnabe asked his children how many times will something happen to them before they learn from it? Some answered 10 some 2 when it came to Nwa evele ako he said once, His father said yes my son you are the smart one.
Now my fellow Biafran lets analyzed our relationship with our southern neighbors the yorubas. From 1963 to 1967 the Yorubas were shouting about how the North is dominating Nigeria and how they want change. Then in 1967 Emeka Ojukwu had a meeting with Late Chief Awo. Awo encouraged Ojukwu to declare Biafran Republic that he will do the same as Oduduwa Republic. What happen chief Awo Betrayed Ojukwu and get rewarded with a Finance Minister for it.
Again during Abacha time the Yorubas started their usual noise again, Now this time they get one of their son as the president even though they never supported him. Their noise evaporated. Thirdly now is the turn of the South South Eastern Minority to learn lesson on Yoruba betrayal 101. The Governor of Lagos called for southern Governors meeting and a meeting was held in Lagos. The Southern Governor agreed to take the Federal Government to Court. However before they could do it Obasanjo Pleaded with Akwa Ibom Governor to ask his fellow Governor to soft pedal on the Law suit instead to negotiate. Instead of Negotiation that was a ploy by Obasanjo to buy time while his AG a yoruba named Bola Ige to prepare his law suit. Today Governor Victor Atta is feeling Betrayed by Obasanjo.
Fouth, Today Southwest Governors are backing away from resource control fight only the the SouthEastern Governors are still standing behind Niger Deltans for resources control. Listen to what some Southwest Governors have said about Resources control, Governor of Osun State, "I don't understand what resource control is I understand derivation. Come on people who is fooling whom. The Yoruba again have abandoned the Eastern Nigeria again after encouraging them to stand tall.
So my Question to you my fellow Biafrans do we need a school teacher to come and write it for us on the Black board before will we realize not to trust the Yorubas. How many times will it happen to us before we learn our lesson. Do we want to be Nwa evele ako or do we want to be his brothers.?
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This is an interesting topic. I find it very interesting also that nobody has contributed to it. Is it that the truth is too painful to look in the face??
I am also expecting our yoruba brothers on this board to contribute to this particular thread, maybe there is something we are missing here? it's about time this is discussed in the open. Silence will only fan our fears!!!
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Osetutu, you're right. Let's hear from our Yoruba neighbors. They've been quite silent on this issue. With the full weight of our history with the Yorubas still bearing down on us, it will be wise to follow "nwa evule ako's " way. The Biafrans haven't recovered from the encounter. Let us stick to our Biafra Actualization and let's encourage them to become Oduduwa Republic. Now, that's southern solidarity.
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Thanks for this volatile topic. Although I agree that this is a very sensitive and difficult topic, I however beleive that this issue needs to be discussed, we sometimes need to confront each other honestly with our innermost feelings before we can successfully resolve the barriers to our brotherly relationship.
My own contribution to this topic is also to wonder loud about what happened b/w 1964 - 1970. Indeed historical data I gathered and also recently confirmed by Ojukwu indicates that the original intention of Nzeogwu and the five majors who toppled Balewa's govt. was to release Chief Awolowo from prison and install him as premier over Nigeria. Recall that when this action took place the whole Western Nigeria was conflict ladden with the wetie operation and the Akintola-Awolowo saga. The entire eastern region was peaceful.
Yet when the tide turned against the Nzeogwu Coup and later against Aguiyi-Ironsi and Ojukwu (incidentally both of whom opposed and foiled Nzeogwu's coup) and Igbos were massacred and made scape goats since Nzeogwu's coup was branded an 'Igbo Coup' chief Awolowo collaborated with the oppressors when his moderating voice was most needed. Uptill this day I can't still believe some of the statements and actions credited to Awolowo such as 'Starvation is an instrument of war', 20 pounds for all returning Biafran refugees etc.
I indeed believe that these are the issues soiling Igbo-Yoruba relations. It is time our leaders arranged some conference b/w the two peoples where all grievances will be tabled and necessary apologies/atonement made so that future generations can put this unfortunate incidences behind them and forge ahead in peace and mutual trust.
I couldn't have put it any better than you did. yes this issue is a very sensitive one. however if we are going to discuss southern solidarity this issues have to be address, and addressed truthfully. The root of Igbo miss trust of the yorubas dates back to the 1950s Stating from the time Zik was dumped in the western House in favor of a Omo yoruba. Even though Zik's Political mentor was a yoruba named Herbert Marculley.
Then the 1966 coup and political debacle which Awo deceived the Igbos. Remeber that Ojukwu is the one that released Awo from Calaber Prison and gave him Igbo Escort from Enugu to Okenne. Getting back home what did Awo do he Joined Gowon's Federal Government to starve Igbos to death. Until his death chief Awo never apologized for his sin. Then how can any body tell the Igbos to trust the Yorubas in order to promote southern solidarity. A solidarity without trust will not work.
Some of you may remember that Awo was stoned out of Aba in 1979 during his campaign trip to the East. The issue of Awo betrayal is still a very sensitive issues to the Igbos, is like we Igbo says. is like cuting the palm of your hands. You remember it every morning when you are washing your hands.
I ask when will you people learn not to trust the yorubas. As much as some of you perceive us Northerners as the enemy, However if you go back to memory lane and check every time Igbos have allied with the North it produce a better result for Nigeria and the Igbos. That is something you my Igbo brothers & sisters can not say about your southern solidarity. Every time Igbos pitched their tents with the yorubas it brings you heart breaks and upset stomach. My Question to you is when are you people going to realize that Yorubas are cowards who will run and left you holding the bag once there is a sign of problem.
When Abiola claimed that he won June 12th elections instead him to stay home and fight for his so called mandate what did he do?. He ran oversea to live in the lap of luxury while the poor masses burn. The Socalled Nadecco didn't all of them ran oversea when going gets tough. How many Igbos did see ran. Dr Alex Ekwueme stayed home to Form the G34 which eventually became PDP. what did Yoruba Opportunist like Obasanjo do? He came out of prison to rigg his way to Aso rock.
So I say to you my Igbo and Eastern Minority Brothers tha the difference between us Northerners and you easterners may be narrower than you think. At least I know that is narrower than that between you and the coward yorubas. Think about it, fool me once shame you, fool me twice shame on me. A word is enough for the wise. The southern Solidariry is a fallacy, If you people want to pusue resource control you better go it alone without the yoruba because they will run first sign of trouble.
what are you trying to do divid the southern resolve as your brothers have been doing. Yes I admit there is going to be some bumps on the road to southern solidarity. However it will be very sad for the south to let those bumps to create a rift in the southern solidarity which will allow the Northern Oligarchy like Muda kaduna to come in and take advantage.
I am appealing to my Igbo brothers to wait and lets see how thing transpire. Is too early to panick right now. if we start to panick now with first sign of trouble, the North will take advantage and both Igbos and yorubas will lose. So please lets wait and see what happens. Gov Akande doesn't speak for all the Yorubas.
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This may be a very painful topic for discussion, but the truth needs to be told. The simple answer is NO!. Biafra writes about what happened between 1967 and 1970, but I make my pronouncement based on what has happened very recently. First after the annulment of the June 12th election, there was a search for who was going to head the interim government, Pius Okigbo was approached, he declined after discusions with Igbo breathrens as it was going to further polarise our relations with the yorubas. Shonecan from the same village as Abiola was to head the interim government. When Abacha was trying to form his cabinet, Amongst those he tried to enlist were Chief Sam Mbakwe and Olisa Agbakoba. Mbakwe declined, as he later explained, what would Jakande say?. he was shocked to learn that Jakande had accepted to serve the junta. It might interest some of you to learn that this was not the first time that the battle for resource control has been discussed. During the Abacha constituent assembly, there was a formula which the oil producing states introduced,that would have increased the revenue to this areas. This was defeated by a large Margin as only Delta,Edo, Rivers Cross river. Akwa Ibom ,Ondo and the core Igbo states voted for it. Now on the SNC and resource control issues you may Judge for yourself. The Yorubas do not have respect for other tribes, that was why Abiola remarked that he does not need the Igbos, and also told the People of Rivers State that if He became president that there would be no need for an SNC as every Nigerian can aspire to be president. The simple fact which he ignore was that the people of the Delta do not care who is the president of Nigeria,provided they are in control of their destiny. The Ohaneze Claim they need to build a Bridge with the yoruba, But if the asked the man in the street they would be told that the Igbos are not interested.
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May God keep blessing you, and thank you for shedding more lights on this topic. As sensitive as this topic is, we can not shy away from it. sometimes truth hurts but it still remain the truth. Like Muda pointed out also Most core Igbo leaders stayed behind to protest Abacha junta while most Yoruba leaders either joined Abacha junta or ran to oversea to live in the lap of luxury.
My only anger is that the Eastern Minorities sees all this development and still consider Igbos their enemy.
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I finnaly got admitted. Waaaaaaooooh,how good it is to feel like a Biafran once again, the home of the braves and land of freedom. Africa's most distinctive democratic junkies. Sorry if your offended after all the truth does hurt. The last time I felt Super was during my days as a Biafran Boys Company in Calabar sector. Good ol days I must add. I enjoy the discussion here and frankly, I am delighted.I came here because of the freedom of expression and my mouth would not be sealed. I was a victim of censorship by the cerebral assassin, the Nigeriaworld.com. I did not come here by defaulty but by Biafran choice.
Well fellow Biafrans, my name says it all. I am not here to please any yellow bellies [Yorubas]or the parasitic/repellant skunks[Hausas]. The facts and stats is there for us to learn our damn lesson once. We will trust them after Biafra has been actualized or only when OPC is able to recapture Ilorin internally colonized by the Hausas. That would be a plus in their tainted record of cowardly acts.
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welcome to the Board where Biafra Children are allowed to be themselves without fear. As you already noted Biafrans are not cowards that was why most of us were banned in you know where. Again Umu Biafra Unu Ehi la Ura Onye ndi iro gbara gboru gboru na eche ndu ya nche mgbe ni le. Umu Biafra Anyi ga enwe nmeri.
"I am appealing to my Igbo brothers to wait and lets see how thing transpire. Is too early to panick right now. if we start to panick now with first sign of trouble, the North will take advantage and both Igbos and yorubas will lose."
Pls may I say that we will not lose again! And we are not panicking, we have just learnt our lession. We just have to supress that Igbo tendency of brotherly love that we are known for this time and be wise instead.
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You are right Brother, I think we Igbos have learned our lesson. that there is nothing like southern solidarity. It is just a ploy the Yorubas invented for Igbos and southern minorities to help them to achieve their selfish aim. Think about it during the election in 1999 the Yorubas completely abandoned Obasanjo, However immediately he was selected as Nigeria President he became one their own.
This same senario Happened in 1979 when Abiola supported Shagari the Yorubas called him every name in the book, However once he ran for election in 1993 he became the their most favorite son. Next time any body hear Yorubas say southern solidarity in the word of George Bush Senior Hold on to your wallet.
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There are a lot of yourubas on this board, if no one comes to clarify issues on this particular topic, it will come back to haunt all of you.!! Mark my words.....
Utilize your free speech now!
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Osetutu: I think you are right. Let's utilize our free speech. By the way, have you guys come across a Yoruba who accepted the fact Igbos were wronged? I haven't. So, what does that tell us? I for one would not trust any Yoruba man and would not engage myself in any sort of business even if it entails a staggering fortune.
how can they accept that Igbos were wrong when they directly benefit from Igbos misery. I think most of the focus have been on how the North fought with Igbos. However there are issues which have not been addressed. For example most Igbos who were corporate managers or Executives in corporate Nigeria before they war were all replaced by the Yorubas.
First Bank & Union Bank for example because Awo was the Finance Minister during and after the war he made sure that all juicy positions were taken by yorubas. So after the war when Igbos came back some of the clerks under them prior the crisis were after the war now their boss. Yet Most Igbos in some of this corporation are today retired because they counted those three and half years of war as part of the services term. Which now made them eligible for retirement without really puting in the required number years of services.
When Yorubas talk of Southern solidarity no Igbo in the right frame of mind should listen to them because what they want to do is to sucker us into action then they turn arround and betray us and take advantage.
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The press has always been controlled by Yorubas. Have they ever showed sympathies towards the suffering of Igbos?. Did they not condemn Ebitu Ukiwe as being arrogant, for standing by his priciples like a proud Igboman he is?. Do they still not refer to the 'Alleged Marginalisation'?, Can anyone forget how they tried to blame Clement Akpamgbo for their kinsman Onogoruwas draconian decrees, which true to type he was too cowardly admit to?. Can one ever forget how they used Abimbola Williams of ABNto assasinate the character of prominent Igbos?. What gets me, is the fact that Nigerians of other Ethnicity are not big enough to admit that they were wrong about Biafra. I mailed a copy of the Ahiara declaration to Ghanian friend of mine who has spent a lot of time in Nigeria, after reading it , he came up with the the comment 'Biafra did not lose the war, the black race lost a war'.Posts: 585 | From: London. | Registered: Mar 2001
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Wacko, your Ghanaian friend was right. It is the solumn truth. The black race truly lost the war for freedom and emancipation from imperialism. The Nigerian govt and other stooges were used as a camouflage. Yet see this empty headed beer bellied buffon (Obasanjo) thump his wimpy chest in self importance of defeating Biafra. Oddly enough and in private, the ever present formidable superiority of the Biafrans still give him chilly nightmares from which he will never recover. Sadly, no amount of Ifa consultations has been able to exorcise his nightmares.
Luckily, the Biafrans are beginning to revisit the practice of the Biafra of the mind. The consciousness and practice of it will achieve the inward look toward home and the rebuilt of Biafra. We are all sitting on oil and other natural resources. Most of all, Biafra is situated on the HALLOWED GROUND. Her endowment is not an accident. It is a clear eyed deliberate blessing from the Creator. If you take a look at other sites about the Igbos/Biafrans, including WEMSA.COM, you'll realize that they are a great people known over the world due to the way they are created. This is why, in the case of Biafra, it is known that you can delay history, but you can't prevent it from happening.
Therefore, the only solidarity we can appreciate from the Yoruba is solidarity in helping to educate her children on the actual facts about Biafra and Biafra Actualization.
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Only a dumb Igbo can expect anything good to come out of association with the Yoruba. Even in a football match between the Enugu Rangers and the Mehala Boys of Egypt. The Yoruba crowd at the Suru Lere Stadium was rooting for the Egyptians and booing the Rangers. The Biafran Rangers won anyway.
If the Yoruba could find a way to boo Nwankwo Kanu and the Biafran members during a Super Eagles game and root only for the Yoruba members of the team, they would do so. There is a handful of Yoruba people who are able to look a few inches beyond their tribe. However, that number is dwindling by the minute. That is my take. You trust the Yoruba at your own risk.
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My greatest joy about this site, and also other websites is that most yoruba people now, including those who claimed ignorance about all these issues cannot hide anymore.
I actually have some yoruba friends who were really(truly)ignorant about all these issues, due to their age and so on....but now they are beginning to ask questions....
I think that this their unprincipled attitude is going to hurt them as a people. This is because their only neigbours east and north, despite the alliances when it suited any party, are still very much aware of this attitude and the blind "Dubale" syndrome. When the die is cast, everybody is going to sit up. This is an opportunity to start shedding your skin and adorn a fresh one. Don't waite for Bola Tinubu b/c you will all be disappointed!
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Can you all please take it easy with this Yoruba bashing? It is really getting out of hand. We cannot just blame another person for our fallibles. If the Yoruba outplayed us, then it is up to us to figure out another game plan instead of wallowing in sorrow. Think about it.
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This is not about Yoruba bashing or blaming the Yoruba for Igbo problems. All some of us are saying is that we cannot trust the Yoruba. It will be stupid to plan anything at all with them, and we should look elsewhere for allies.
When we as Igbos decide to do anything, we can do it, either alone or in cooperation with others, other than the Yoruba. We have a Yoruba president and he is the first Nigerian president ever to be appropriately dubbed an Igbo hater. Remember that even the mass murderers Murtala and Abacha were also heads of state. No one has ever called Abacha or Murtala an Igbo hater for conduct done while either man was head of state.
On the contrary, the two most prominent Yoruba leaders, Obusonjo and Awolowo, are/were undeniably Igbo haters.
I think that the Ibos should be trying to figure out why they voted for Obasanjo inspite of his past (and Awolowo's, Abiola's e.t.c inclusive) relationship with us. That is the problem. You are right, the Igbos should find new alliances or go it alone just like the yoruba have been doing for years.
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Ednut: Agreed. However, don't you see it? If Igbos had not voted for Obasanjo, some would be saying that Obasanjo's crimes against Igbos was meant to punish them for not voting for him. There would seem to be some political justification for it. Now we know that Obasanjo is simply a mean-spirited and jealous small man who cannot see beyond his hatred of Igbos. Additionally, the other choice that Igbos had in the last election was ANOTHER YORUBA MAN, Olu Falae. There was really no choice for Igbos. It was a choice between two haters, one educated, the other, a moron.
Actually those were the only choices b/c the Ibos allowed it. They were short sighted. Like you said, Abacha never was called an Igbo hater, maybe that was what blinded them (us).
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Igbos tried. First, Ojukwu formed a party, but INEC frustrated him and refused to register the party. Then, Ekwueme vied for the PDP nomination and failed. Ekwueme too was a victim of all sorts of convoluted political machinations.
I don't know whether you fail to understand some of the opinions and posting by members of this board? Or whether you understand and choose to ignore it. There is no Yoruba bashing going on here, a question was put forward whether Igbos should trust Yoruba or not considering our history with them. Those are legitmate questions. There are talks about southern solidarity going on right now, before Igbos should participate in such movement or solidarity don't you think that certain questions have to be addressed. if addressing those question to you means Yoruba bashing so be it.
That has always been what is wrong with you Nigerians you always shy away from the tru