That was a beautiful precis of the form of discussion in this forum. I am highly disappointed that no single solution or constructive idea has come out of this board. It is again the vicious cycle of hate and red herring that are being spewed. Time has come to go on ROM, until sanity returns. Anyone visiting this board for the first time will notice the abrasive language and defamation of character that have become the hallmark of this forum. My brothers should think about this. Intelligent and educated people will coil at the level of contempt and self-delusion exhibited here. Everyone seems to see only themselves in the mirror. What a deceit.
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I don't care whether you are a yoruba or Hausa, or from the minority. Your problem is you have a big ego and you can't handle the truth. As for my Brother Chuba if you choose to go into self impose ROM that is your perogative, Nobody is stopping you from fighting for what you believe in. I believe in Biafra and will fight her actualization. You and I may disagree on that, However one thing I will never do is to shy away from the truth. The truth here is we want to put all the cards on the table about this southern solidarity we are not bashing anybody. However if both of you can handle the truth that is too bad. If you can't take heat get out of the kitchen.
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Chuba: I have carefully reviewd your posts ever since you joined this forum. You have not proferred any meaningful solution to any of the problems that underlie the topics. Your posts in this forum are some of the most worthless that I have read. You have failed to focus on the issues of any thread in which you participated. Your mission seems to be to draw blood from members of this forum that you had disputes with at the other forum. How petty can you be? Why are you so narrow-minded? You have become an Efulefu, if indeed you were ever really Igbo.
It is strange that you claim you are not the same Chuba from that other forum, yet, you are fighting the exact same fights that that Chuba started at Nigeriaworld with members of this forum. I saw how quickly you sought to drag Damian's profession into your debate with him. He very nicely shut you down.
Take a close look at yourself and ask yourself what you are running from. If you wish to hide your identitity, that is fine. Dikeanatuegwu suggested that you "are too dangerous to ignore." I suppose he said that because you are masquerading with an Igbo name. I don't think you are too dangerous to ignore. I tend to agree with the other person who said that you are a small petty man who cannot move on after small disputes. Please stop making a fool of yourself in this forum. Grow up.
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Chuba, ADOJOHN & Co, After reading your posts on this board, I honestly do not understand your idealogy or position as it concerns Nigeria or Biafra or any other persuasion(s) Chuba, you started by telling us that Igbo is Ibo and you went ahead to force it down our throat. You went futher to be insulting Dikeanatuegwu. When the issue of Big Steve vs others arosed, you started your divisive politics instead of unity your fellow Igbo brothers (that is if your identity is real). If you joined this board thinking that we are educated illitrates according Adojohn, but now discovered that we are not what you and Adojohn or whoever thought, hence, you decided in the Nigerian style to take a disgracefull bow, your decision is most welcomed. You don't need to announce it because from the reaction you have received so far from other members, your absence will neither be noticed nor be missed. If you or anyone joined this board expecting us to play Obasanjo or anyone's sycophant, you will wait till the end of time. Check-mating Obasanjo and other leaders, including those of Igbo background is the duty of anyone who has a stake in this sinking ship called Nigeria. If it doesn't go down well with you and your likes, all you can do is profer solutions but dont pretend that all is well with Nigeria. The problem with those of you who have lost ideas on how to continue selling your ill-conceived, false and un-negotiated "one Nigeria" project is that because people have discovered your deceit, you have resorted to the cowardly option of black-mail, insults, intimidation and outright twisting of the truth -- Obasanjo style. Nigeria is not attracting investors because it has very bad salesmen like you.
Whether you like it or not, Igbo-Yoruba and other ethno-alliance like Nigeria itself must be re-evaluated, negotiated and amicably agreed by all concerned before Nigeria can join other countries of the twenty-first century.
Let's not waste energy on AdoJohn and Chuba, anybody who spends time and effort to read what is written on this board even when they know it's meaningless cannot be that intelligent or simply know it is the truth but cannot handle it.
To Chuba happy ROM hopefully you will come back when we are better educated or start singing Obasanjo's praises (the man does not have much education mind you).
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It is heartening to note that just as Efulefu is going into ROM (Nwokeoma ndalu, my brother), the very coiner of the term, ROM, CSE himself, has joined this forum and has made a very lucid post in the Abalaka thread.
Let us cut Chuba some slack. I think that Chuba may be bored at Nigeriaworld. With the exception of Nwa Aro and a few others, all that are left there are people who applaud each of his bouts with hallucinations, disjointed logic, and Chuba's other confusions about Biafra, BiafraNigeria, and Ndigbo.
My brother am I glad to see you in BiafraNigeria world. I say what took you so long brother. Welcome to Baifranigeria world where you will not be censored or shot down for your views.
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Brothers: Leaving Adojohn alone with his senseless rantings would do us a lot of good.
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The response to my post has incensed the intellectual naivete evident here. It should have been instructive if there is a sobering of the mind following that posting. Unfortunately, the usual paradigm of alignment of mass charlatanism has taken control. Would it not have been better to seek the underlining current in Adojohn's posting, supported by this pal? No, the wave of recrimination and abrasive writings were launched.
Hopefully, the time and day will come when truth and real education shall become of relevance here.
Nwa Aro: I respect your judgement and writings. But, this time you have leaned towards pedestrian thinking. My writing about Big Steve was a sequel to the unwarranted 'character assasination', which any impartial being should readily defend. Tactfully, you were silent on the reason for my defence. Your writing about the unity of Igbos is in order. May be this should have been encouraged to be in the minds of those who forgot the 'common ancestry' of Igbos-that an attack on any Igbo who has shown remarkable vision and grace only plays into the hands of detractors. This is where I see your call as noble. The issue should be solved as brothers and sisters. Unfortunately, the drive of some was seen as 'destroy and rubbish the individual'. To me, this is the nadir of despicableness and idiocy.
The above, notwithstanding, I see a move, always in postings, that smacks of 'red herring', deviating from the topic towards personalisation.
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I am starting to think that the only reason you join this forum is to fan the flame of discord. And to start a fight where non exist. I have decided to hid to the apealing by Brother Nwa Aro to let the issue of Big Steve to go, however you keep bring Big Steve back into the debate. You narrow mindedly ignore the harm Big Steve have done to others and continue to hero worship him, I realize that it is hard for people to accept that their heros has fault. But what I don't understand is your continued belittling of others. My brother nobody have monoploy on intelligency and we can not measure intelligency by your scale alone. Speaking ones mind without fear or favor is something that most people respect, if that rub you the wrong way so be it. We can not bend the truth in order to please people, doing that will be sending the wrong message.
" …my post has incensed the intellectual naivety evident here." --- Chuba
While the likes of CSE, Seun, Chiboy, COLO, Dr. Damages, Tunde Onabanjo, Keshi, Amanda Wekson, Biafra, Osetutu, and many others have spent their time on this forum making meaningful contributions, it is this ego-maniacal Chuba person who fancies himself as an intellectual that has done all that he can to make an ass of himself.
Chuba: Your frequent use of the word "intellectual" is becoming extremingly underwhelming. If your wish is to be treated as the intellectual pretender and pariah that you are, that is exactly what will happen to you. Judging by your contributions to this forum so far, you are nothing but a cretinous sideshow. The only way for you to change that perception of you, is for you to mend your wretched ways. Considering that your posts have been lacking in intellectual quality, there is no member of this forum that I could find that you are able or equipped to intimidate intellectually. So, get over your un-merited arrogance. You are no longer dealing with the softies at Nigeriaworld. This is BiafraNigeriaWorld.
P/S: Steve is not the issue here. You are. It has been established that you are not a lawyer. Why is a "liliput" like you still masquerading as a representative of a so-called "giant?"
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Could I, for the millionth time, remind you that I am not Chuba in the old Board. Clarity is important. Call me Osita Chuba or OC. This is to ward off unnecessary insults to an innocent "Chuba." Constant insinuation to 'Chuba' further reveals the naivete.
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All: Chiboy gave a good advice. Let us ignore the distractions from Chuba and the other guy, Adojohnsule. I suspect that Chuba is an intelligent fellow. Sooner or later, he will say something that could be useful to this forum and all of us as BiafraNigerians. Remember that all are welcome to this forum. We don't want to drive him away before he gets to that point.
This forum is what we make of it. It is a big tent. Whether you consider yourself a Biafran, a Nigerian, or a BiafraNigerian, that is irrelevant. The name of the board says it all. All are welcome, and you can speak freely here.
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People, we are digressing. Earlier, I had stated that the answer to the question is No. If any one thinks otherwise, they should try to convince me, and not label me an educated Illiterate. I dont mind being labelled a tribalist as in that group fall The great Awo, and the Sarduana, Saro wiwa. What is wrong with fighting injustice against ones people?. After the annulment of June 12 Elections, people threatened to bring fire and brimstone on Nigeria because an injustice had been done,were they blind to the plight of Ndigbos,or the oil producing areas?. Did they not have any case to make about injustices to them?. We are being called names for 'overgeneralising' but in Nigeria today whenever a Musa says something critical to OO the Yoruba press, sees it as a sign that the north are not happy. I am yet to see where any Yoruba has spoke out against this generalisation. Another accusation is that we have not brought any suggestion towards moving forward. One can never move forward without admiting mistakes made in the past. You cannot wish away past mistakes/injustices of the past by merely wishing it. I am still waiting for someone to explain to me why my answer is wrong.
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Osita Chuba: Hang In there Bro Thats if You choose too But Mobs rarely listen to wise men since they are of too wise in their own eyes. That said I'll advise that You spend Your time more wisely elsewhare as Opposed To engaging these 'nice' folks in their exercise in shallow irrationality.
To their credit The thread on The OSU caste system was very Intereting and a few contributors were informative
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Wacko I am with you brother, yes if fighting for Igbos and Biafra cause and fighting injustice makes me a tribalist I will wear that as a badge of honor. if speaking out against past mistakes and betrayals makes me ethnic jingoist I will accept it. If fighting for self determination and Igbo rights to control their destiney makes a tribalist, I will proudly wear that as a badge of own. One thing I will not do is to be mussled out by socalled educated elite in Nigeria who have been trying to wipe the Igbos out.
Nobody has monoploy on litracy or enlightenment, Who makes them judge and jury. If we don't where we have been how can we know where we are going to. To move forward we have to correct past mistakes and past betrayals. Otherwise we will be wasting time.
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I know it is going to hurt but I must say it because Ndiigbo say, "Ekwughi mere onu, mana anughi mere nti." We have wasted enough time bashing OO, Hausas, Yorubas, Big Steve and whoever on this board. IT IS LEADING US TO NOWHERE ISLAND! If it makes anybody feel good it does not make me. If we need to actualize Biafra lets us work towards that and stop this absurd nonsense. Uwazuruike got fed up and started his own actions and you don't read him bashing people and throwing tantrums. He is an action man. He has plans and what is your plan Chiboy, Adaeze, Biafra, Wacko, Ezeka Onu, Paul Ibekwe, Amanda Weckson, Odester Nchege, Onyemaechi and co. If we don't know what to do why not organize some fund raising for MASSOB and have it published in the Nigeria newspapers or assemble in Washington and burn our Nigerian passports, setup a Biafran consulate, hoist Biafran flag at the UN, inaugurate a Biafran govt in exile. One of them must send shivers down the spine of any govt than what we are doing here. Enough of all these aimless diatribe, finger pointing and bashing! That is not been pragmatic and millions of departed Biafrans will be turning in their graves seeing what we, some of the best of Biafra have become- oji onu masqueraders. That's what a defeated spirit does. If we feel that we are not defeated, if we feel that we are able bodied let us work if that is what we are here for. Thank you and chew me if you think that I just rambbled.
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Adojohn: This thread questions if Yorubass can be trusted or be counted on when it matters. So far, you have not made any meaningful contribution to answering this question. All you've managed to do so far is spew nonsensical ramblings. If you have NOTHING to contribute, it will be INTELLIGENT, LITERATE, and wise of you to desist from giving us wordy evidence of that fact. Your tribe is irrelevant, your sensible contribution is.
Obviously, you spend time brousing this site from thread to thread. Your 'literate' time has been displayed for what it is...AN IDLE TIME. Its quite possible to convert your idle time to meaningful and positive causes...we are doing it. If you find it impossibly taxing, channel your time and breath to other forums that is within your league. This forum is for progressive mission-oriented people.
You mistook the silence most of us here accorded your gutter-snipe attitude as a nod to carry on. Before you indulge us in further imbecilic grumblings, its most wise to count your teeth with your tongue.
We may be farther ahead than you think. Remember that this forum and the websites that it is a part of were quietly conceived and implemented. There are many action-oriented personalities in this forum, and they are working on several issues that you would be proud of. There is nothing wrong with talking about some of these things. Talk, even cheap talk is what these message boards are about. When time comes for action, we are there too.
Trust me, we are embarking on a number of projects that are not being discussed here. If you read between the lines of what some of the members are writing, you may begin to appreciate what I am talking abou. However, there are people who are clearly out to malign members of this forum. There are some who joined this forum for selfish, hateful, and other sinister reasons. We have a right to respond to their diatribe.
The fellow, Steve Wabuzor is just coincidental to these discussions. It just happens that he was involved in the censorship that many of us opposed at the other forum and he has been directly accused of betraying the confidences of members of this forum. Otherwise, his name would not even come up. He was only mentioned in passing, that is until Chuba, for whatever motives, highlighted and made huge cause out of it. He is completely irrelevant to the discussions about what Igbos or Biafrans or BiafraNigerians should do, and I hope that others realize that.
You took the word right out of my mouth. Ndigbo when this board was been put togather it was not announced in advance in Nigeriaworld forum where we were been banned left and right. So whatever plan of action we are puting togather should remain a secret because Onye ndi iro gbara gburu na nche ndu ya nche nmgbe ni nile.
This thread is a discussion of our relationship with the yorubas and our past relationships with them. Biafra actualization will not be discussed in public domain until we are ready to act. Element of surprise is a big tool in every successful operation. As long you keep your opponent guessing that is important. However I commend you for such a wonderful ideas but I wish you had not share it in a public domain where our enemies have access to.
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Ndigbo, by saying, "chew me......" you come across as one whose one foot is in and the other, out. You don't have to take this stance when talking to your kinspeople.
No time has been wasted talking about Obasanjo and his anti-Igbo agenda, Hausas, Yorubas, etc. It will be extremely hypocritical to pretend that all is well between the Biafrans and the above mentioned. Lots of evils and wrongs have been committed. To move forward, such has to be brought to the fore and addressed. The alternative of keeping mute is the constant throw into vicious cycle, led by ohaneze. Its a total waste of time talking about reconciliation, solidarity or negotiation if these ills are not addressed.
Those said, I agree we should do more about our support for and solidarity with MASSOB. Raising funds and setting up posts for various MASSOB activities are a noble cause that we should take up. We should also give serious attention to MASSOB newspapers, TV, and other enablers to reaching and educating Biafrans here in the diaspora and at home. I suggest you start a thread on this.
Thanks for the advice , but let me say what many have said here "nobody is bashing anybody Hausa, Yoruba or Igbo".You may prefer massaging the truth just to keep the peace, but I feel that would defeat the purpose of this forum as every group is capable of defending itself.As for Masquerading (oji onu), it was Oji onu that landed Obasanjo the job and I didn't hear you complain.Let me remind you again, we cannot muzzle anybody here.
Quite frankly you have only reiterated my believe that the Igbo intellectual only chooses speaks up when his battered people shout out aloud because their burden have become unbearable.Have you ever so boldly as you have done now challenged some of the bigots on Nigeria world when they go on their anti Igbo diatribes ?
Your accusations are not unsual of the know all Igbos.Did an educated Igbo man not choose to demean his own people by calling them idiots for seeking the presidency as a way to end their oppression? Today is every other Hausa politician not borrowing a leaf from Ojo to say Igbo presidency is tribalistic, yet are these hausas not demanding that power must return to the north(whatever that means)and what does Ojo say?
My brother most of us are already doing our best for MASSOB,you can do your part by just speaking out.You see if educated people like you were championing the Igbo cause people like me would not be here causing our Biafran heros to turn in their graves.It is because people like you reneged on your responsibilities that folks like me came into being.
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Let me congratulate the people that started this board. I am an advocate of free speech and I can assure your that the censorship at Nigeriaworld has adversely affected the quality of dicourse there. For one thing, there is a whole universe of people, well represented here, who did not feel welcome there. They are either in ROM or they have proudly joined this forum.
Also, by starting this forum, you have shown that you are not just all talk and no action. Next time you complain, people will pay attention. However, please understand that Yorubas are not all enemies of Igbos. Assuming that names are anything to go by, I have seen heated debates at Nigeriaworld where some of the most eloquent defenders of the interests of minorities and Igbos included, names like Seun, Orems, Tunde Onabanjo, Babatunde, etc. My very best friend in this world is Igbo and I don't know if the relationship is based on trust. I think it is based more on mutual respect. The Yoruba respect the Igbo a great deal. To some extent it may even be correct to say that the Yoruba fear the Igbos because of the Igbos' demonstrated ability to sacrifice and fight for what they believe in. That is a start from which we can do great things together. Only a blind person can fail to see the huge reservoir of talent that Yorubas and Igbos represent to Africa.
The question should not be "can Yorubas be trusted?" The question should be can we (Yorubas and Igbos) find a way to do things together where it does not matter whether we trust each other? We are not going to trust each other. There is too much mistrust between the Yorubas and the Igbos. Nothing can change that any time soon. But, we can still work together as long as means are put in place to verify that neither party is being betrayed.
Let me be the first to welcome you here.I hope we will have some fruitfull discussions here and you should feel free to say your mind even if your best friends Ox is gored. Welcome
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I still maintain that I am yet to see a counter arguement on this topic. Please can I have reasons why my answer is wrong?. We are being labelled ethnic jingoist, but i rememember that when IG Nwafor raised a topic on Nigeriaworld 'are the Igbos The most Disorganised bunch', it ran and ran with contributions from Igbos and non Igbos alike. some of the contributions were out right insensitive, yet it was not termed Jingoistics. Ndigbo, I have followed your write ups for a very long time. I have always, and will always respect your opinions and the right to have those opinions. But you have to accept that for an issue to be settled problems have to be identified. At present there is the issue of Southern Governors conference and resource control. How can one go into those conferences and take decisions, without knowing if ones collegues are going to stand by ones side when the s*** hits the fan?. We have been hearing discordant tunes from the west about the SNC.Just as when the nation expected leadership from the west on the attendendance to Abacha 's Constitutional conference, there were discordant tunes . NADECO to boycott, and the spiritual leader of the yorubas, the Oni asking people to vote. Or is it the case that when the West were chasing Chukwumerije, and Nzeribe, Diya and Onoguruwa were busy Scuttling Abiolas progress?. Is this a case of the old woman and dry bones?. Ndigbo, as to what action we are taking?. Surely you do not expect one to announce it on this forum. But I assure you that the views you read about here are the views of Majority of Igbos. Many may not voice it openly but that is the view you get once one gets to the grassroots. It might interest you to learn that the, the majority opinion in Igboland is to forget about the handshake accross the River Niger and concentrate on the handshake amongst the people of former Eastern Region. Why are we still being treated as second class citizens in Nigeria?.Why are we ready to accept being a majority ethnic group only in name,while behaving so timidly?. Are we really a majority ethnic group or are we the largest Minority Group?. Has anyone not read about the abuse heaped on the Igbos and the North by the Nigerian press?. Why is that acceptable?. On Nigerianworld,have we not read all the abuse heaped on Northerners , yet we cannot ask or answer a question here without being labelled jingoist. Why is it that when ever an Igboman asks a question about why his people are in the situation they are he is labelled a trouble maker?. It is as if, the rest of the country expects us not to be heard. What pleases me most about this site is that there is no censorship, and every one airs his views. With that one can gauge the what one is up against. I do not subscribe to the see or write no evil which has not got us anywhere. It is time we started speaking up.Posts: 585 | From: London. | Registered: Mar 2001
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