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Waypoint1Biafra
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The Igbos have prayed that they do not want to be part of Nigeria for reasons that Nigeria is too backward and insulting to their God given talents and inelienable rights to compete with the global market. And there are too many issues that Nigeria at 40 plus cannot continue to exist as a nation. They want out amicably or separate but equal as one nation...Sovereign nation.


THE BIG PICTURE: Why do you need the Igbos in Nigeria? This is not to be responded by any Easterners [Biafrans] but the WEST and NORTH.The BIAFRANS would only respond to articles they deem necessary for or against them.

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I will admit that my Igbo sibblings are very talented and very enterprising. I will aslo admit that if Biafra were to actualized Biafrans can survive without Nigeria. However I opposed the Balkanization of Nigeria for so many reasons. Instead of balkanizing Nigeria I think we all should put our efforts togather in freeing our people from the bondage they are held to by our political leaders.

Many of us live here in the US and have seen how their diversity have been source of strength for them. Instead of a sources of weakness as in the case of Nigeria. I think Nigeria will be a better country with our Igbo brothers as sisters given the opportunity to apply their creative talents. Unfortunately our leaders continue to make policies that robb us those chances. So instead of advocating seperation we should be advocating throwing out the bums out of our political process.

Another reason I oppose Biafra is that if you let Igbos go, it will become like state creations. Every little tribe in Nigeria today wants their own state just to creat enough jobs for the stupid politician. I will admit that one of the most stupid and ill thought out policies of the civil war by Gowon was the state creations. If you compare Northern, Eastern, Western and Midwestern regions of pre civil war to all the States created during and after the war. You will notice that Nigeria have lost so many grounds.

Today many state want to turn High school buildings into a University, Compare that to the mistique UNN Nssukka used to have. In those day if you were accepted to Nssukka you know that you are one of the very best. Today we have University which can not compare to teachers college of old. What is wrong in making Nssukka into a University that can have student population of 60,000 and have multi campuses instead of wasting funds and spaces in Building Universities that can never be well funded. That is the casualty of Balkanization of state creation.

So my brothers and sister my argument is that our strength lies in our large number. Lets harnes that strength of our large number and make it work for us instead of against us. Lets start to see our Multi ethnicity as a blessing instead of a cause. This is my response to the question, I hope other Nigerians will come out to voice their opinion.

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Muda Kaduna,
I've followed your entries on this board, and I must say that you are not any Hausa nor Fulani. You are an Igbo diguising as a northerner. I have never been fooled by your disguised logo of "Long live Arewa Republic".

Aren't you contradicting your stand on one Nigeria with this long live Arewa Republic logo? Do you want the Biafrans shariarized into Arewa Republic too? I don't get you.

You really have not made any salient point why continuosly pogromed, maligned, raped, and plundered Biafrans should continue to be forced to remain in Nigeria.

The Biafrans are known for their zest, zeal, and accomplishments in quality education. Now, if the Nigerians are embroiled in inferior one-room classroom style/quality education, how does that concern the Biafrans and their quest for freedom?
And you also want the Biafrans to remain under Nigerian bondage so that you can assuage your ego of being called a multi-ethnic country? don't you see how very superficial your reasons are?

Kaduna, each tribe was a nation unto themselves as designed by God, the Creator, until the British showed up to forcefully lump them together with intent to oppress, suppress, and plunder. The Igbos have always been a distinct and capable nation (and so are the Eastern minorities), and they want to continue as thus. Now that you claim to have gotten western enlightenment, its your duty to head back to your Arewa Republic, tell them to tighten their belts, and start working to pull themselves by own their boot-straps, as the work horse cum the golden goose is leaving without a backward glance.

You mean, after being here all these years, you do not have an inkling as to how the various races come to be in this country.
Let me give you a little run down of it.
After the european settlers had exterminated the natives and confined the remainders to concentration camps, they flanked the doors open to other caucasians. They were the free born citizens. The blacks were Africans who were kidnapped and enslaved. Much later, they started granting visas to other nations and races of the world who VOLUNTARILY want to come and live in US. These IMMIGRANTS had to try hard to assimilate and become US citizens.The KEY word here, is VOLUNTARY IMMIGRATION and ASSIMILATION. You massacre with impunity, on a daily basis, the Biafrans who migrated to your Arewa Republic doing a hard and honest living providing services for your consumption. You loot their properties, rape, abduct, and harrass them for just being who they are...Biafrans. There's no reprieve, compensation, or justice for your evil visitations upon them. Now, you're using sharia to perpetrate more evil on them. Yet at the same time, you want them to remain with you. You really are a strange human being!

Kaduna, how do you compare the above US case to that of Nigeria, and particularly, the Biafrans? Can't you see that this kind of twisted logic by Nigerians is what is destroying the growth of Biafrans in Nigeria?

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I have always believed in "One nation under God, indivisible, with freedom and justice for all." It means we must adhere to the rule of law which is the case of Sharia. My question here is, would a divided Nigeria be better off? Let's work together and make the country the best it can be.

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Bature

My chemistry teacher used to say those days tha an atom was indivisible, now we know that scientists are actually capable of splitting atoms.Now about an indivisible country, I have never seen that before.My question to you is, who is responsible for the lack of freedom and injustice in that country?

Brother Bature could your people really submit to the leadership of an infidel who does not believe in sharia ? if not are we to pepertually remain your subjects?Even now we are about to transit from an uncouth dunce to a carreer thief as leader is this the price we must pay for remaining in an indivisible country ?

I believe your people can do very well, they have land and lots of resources.We do not have much but we believe we will get on just fine if left alone. Why don't we just shake hands and say good bye,it's been nice knowing each other this last 81 years.


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Bature,
Tell me, why won't you, the North be better off in a divided Nigeria? What will be your anticipated hindrances? Will you not get freedom and justice in your sharia? Is anyone trying to divide the sharia republic of Arewa?

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Somehow you guys don't understand my point. I am talking about democracy and the rule of law. Take for insatance, in the United States; and in particular some states that makes Driving Under the Influence of alcohol or marijuana a violation to its laws, would you assume the law was barbaric?

In the case of Sharia, we all know a law had been enacted and violating it means its prosecution must be followed to the limit, for disrespecting the rule of law. Would you challenge DUI and domestic violence when you know vividly well that it is against the law?

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Sister Amanda

I am proud of Arewa just like you proud Igbo. As for you saying that I am contradicting my self I don't know what to tell you. I agree with bature that one Nation indivisable is better than Balkanization.

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Muda Kaduna,
Please be serious....
I'm sure you have reasons, that only you know which are buried inside the recesses of your heart, why you don't want the Biafrans to go? Could it be that you're afraid that the free ride you get from the Biafrans will come to an end? Are you afraid to stand by yourselves as a country (Arewa Republic) and for once, start working for a living/lack of...like the Nigeriens, and the Chadians? Do you need the Biafrans to survive as a Northern group?

Please check my posting above regarding the lack of commonality between the Biafrans and the Arewa group. Did you forget that Ndigbo has always been a successful Nation unto themselves. They have also succeeded in resisting the islamic acculturation by the Arewa group.
Your feeble "balkanization" excuse is exposing your selfish hypocrisy.

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Amanda:
What free ride?

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Bature,
I understand you, alright.
You're talking about Nigerian democratic sharia and sharia rule of law in applying sharia in Arewa Republic of Nigeria. You want to be able to practice sharia law...however barbaric and retrogressive...without care and abandon in Arewa country. I see.

Now, the Biafrans have decided that they are exercising their inalienable rights to Nationhood into action, since it is their democratic entitlement under the rule of laws of the United Nations of the world.
They have refused to be held down any longer by the "barbaric and retrogressive" engineerings and practices of the Arewa people.
They are moving on as a nation that they have always been, to peacefully realize their God-endowed potentials for growth and progress, unperturbed.

Biafrans, therefore, bid you goodluck in your sharia country while being thankful for their lack of commonality with you.
So, I didn't see that you need Biafrans to practise your sharia, or do you?

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Amanda:
That's beside the point. I am not against any agitation for self-reliance if the consequences of these drives does not become ominous. But I still insist, as far as you are within the jurisdiction of said laws, you must obey the law at all times. It is as simple as that. That's democracy for you, my beloved sister.

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Bature,
The free Rides and the Joy Rides of amassing EVERYTHING (resources, the Treasury, special/exclusive quota system, juicy govt undertakings, etc) within the Nigerian space, all the Foreign aids, grants, and subsidies...be they in agriculture, industrial, science/technology, infrastructure, health, other amenities, etc.

Yet, you have nothing to show for all these lopsided parasitical leechings.

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Bature,
That's exactly the point.
Rationally, you should not be against our peaceful movement for Biafra Actualization. Rather, you should encourage your leaders and grassroots to extensively assist and encourage Biafrans to attain their Nationhood.

That way, you can continue to obey and uphold your very own specially designed democratic rule of law.

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Dear all here is my take on this issue, there is no doubt that Nigeria as its presently constituted has been a complete monumental failure thus why would anyone in general or Igbo's in particular want to remain there my answer is none.

I am a complete believer in the issue of self-determination I completely favour of it. I admire the drive and entrepreneur spirit that Igbo's have I was in Uganda and Kenya a few weeks ago and our Igbo's brother were trading and engaged in business and doing very well for themselves I felt nothing but joy to see these individuals succeed in a distant land.

Thus with the right policies in place at home only God himself would know the limit to what our Igbo's brother's would attain.

However as much as I favour of Igbo's leaving this would also apply to the entire south of Nigeria, the yoke of the federal Government should be removed, with this done everyone Igbo's Yoruba's Deltan’s even the north central should be left to their own devices and let us all develop at our own pace in peace and quiet.

I put this together very quickly s later I will elaborate or more points

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Wale:
Thanks for your posts. I will answer your question in the other thread shortly.

I was actually hoping that you would give us cogent reasons why Igbos should remain in Nigeria. What you gave instead were reasons why we as Igbos should leave. We thank you for your support. I suppose this is what happens when even non-Igbos finally honestly deal with the issue of forced Igbo inclusion in the Nigerian disaster.

It would defy logic to argue for the continued detention of Igbos in Nigeria, wouldn't it? Could this be why people like Tunde Onabanjo, Ade Olajide, and other Yorubas who are very logical in their thinking are not being challenged to make that dumb case? Is it that we do not want to embarass them by asking them to defend the indefensible? Can anyone imagine the eloquent Seun arguing that the victims of genocide must forever be forced down and detained by the perpetrators of the genocide?

My question to you now is, if you agree as you do that breakup is the best thing, why are you not campainging for it more aggressively? What is the holdback? Don't you think that the more people that speak up now, the quicker we shall get to that promised land? Why is it just we Biafrans that are carrying the cross at this dangerous stage? Are you Nigerians waiting for yet another holocaust of the Igbos?

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Wale,
I appreciate your honest rendition. Like Vitalis pointed out, we expect realistic people like you to be in solidarity with Biafrans to Actualize her Nationhood.

There's more for us all to gain in the overall, as ECOWAS countries, and as African countries in general. The glory of pacesetting Biafra will bouy her neighbors into active, healthy, and progressive competitors which can potentially transform them from third world aids/grants recipients to Nearly Developed countries.

In times to come, Republic of Biafra will be desperately needed for economic, military, and technological stability of West Africa, and that of Africa, as a whole.
Therefore, the country of Nigeria need her as a good friend, not as an enemy.

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My people,

I have posited on a different thread that neither the prospect of a future holocaust nor the scars from the previous ones are the driving forces behind the present urgent and strident clarion calls for “abandon ship”. We have risen from the ashes of the pogroms, overcome most of the damage and have demonstrated in very eloquent manner that Igbo blood is no longer fair game. It’s obvious also that this statement boldly enacted very recently in Owerri, in Aba, along the Port-Harcourt – Enugu expressway etc. have been noted by the blood thirsty vagabonds from the Sahara. They have taken counsel.

Why then do we want out and quick? Essentially on account of the age old aphorism that the greatest of all instincts is self preservation, in this case not from the raging fiends up north and to the west, but from a life that holds no promise and over which we cannot exercise any control. The ship is about sinking.

It is all about the prevalent corruption, the ineptitude, the abject hopelessness, the pervading inertia and of course the corrupting influence of this culture of business as usual on the general polity. I am indeed worried when I walk into a bank and see Igbo youths (under thirty years of age) unable to fill bank tellers without assistance in order to deposit the millions they make daily. It’s a source of concern. We are losing entire generations of Igbo men to illiteracy. Before you take me to task on whose fault that is. I’ll tell you: the rest of Nigeria. By relegating Igbos to the periphery of society with no opportunities to lead meaningful lives in the armed forces, in the civil service, in the corporate sectors, Igbo graduates parade the streets as a most glaring discouragement for the younger ones to follow suit. It started gradually, from an all boys’ school turning co-ed, and then into an all girl’s school. Like a bad dream, it crept into the higher instructions. Alvan Ikoku College of Education is no different in gender composition from the erstwhile WTC’s. And what about the University of Nigeria? Seeing is believing. All the traditional male hostels up campus in Nsukka have since been taken over by the females. Where are the males? In the Universities of Ariaria, Ogbete, Otu, Ochanja and of course along the air routes of Taiwan, Singapore etc. What type of society is that going to be?

I dwelt on the younger generation first because we still have a chance of saving them. But the older ones would serve to demonstrate the potent force that Nigerian corruption is. Where would I start, Chukwumerije, Comrade Walter Ofonagoro? No, may be with a once “conscience of the masses” Dr. Chuba Okadigbo reduced to nothing more than one-of-them-thieving-men-in-flowing-robes. If that breaks your heart, what do you make of Dee Sam Mbakwe taking part in the 3 million man march for Abacha’s self perpetuation? As if that is not enough, what has Jim Nwobodo been reduced to? At some point in his inglorious days in the Abacha era, his name was linked to a missing stand-by generator in the national stadium. Is this the same man who was chairman of the Rangers International, gave us the then best TV station in the land, ASUTECH, laid the groundwork for the rural electrification, etc.? Yes, one and the same. But they are all acting as if the virtuous lives of service they led earlier were mistakes. Badness and evil pay in Nigeria. Goodness doesn’t. Good people constitute a separate endangered species. That’s bad, really bad. Are these the same people that took their tutelage under such sages as Akanu Ibiam, Michael Okpara, Nnamdi Azikiwe etc.? I worry about what could become of us with a continued stay in Nigeria and for this I submit we want out. Its time to count the losses and dust off.

But even if Nigeria were a paradise on earth, without the shariah, nor the stigma of Murtala Mohammed, Obasanjo, Babangida, Abacha and yes Obasanjo again, with their track record of determined exclusion of the Igbos, its still our God-given inalienable right to decide where we want to go. Nigeria has since ceased to be an option. And this is not just for the Igbos but for even the ones that have either plundered it bare or those that benefited there from. If these perfidious vermin didn’t hate the Nigerian state, where are their investments in Nigeria? We all do not have to be millionaires but we all definitely have a right to such basics as dignified employment, access to health care, potable water, electricity, affordable decent housing, affordable food, good educational facilities, safety of our lives and property. Providing these require investment and in turn yields dividends for the investor. That’s the least these thieves would have done if they thought of us as fellow human beings. But no, as the uneducated gutter fellows that they are, all their economics stop at stashing the petro-dollars in foreign banks. The Babangida boy, David Mark who wouldn’t give his compatriots access to the basic necessity of a functional telephone system is the proud owner of a chain of golf courses in Scotland. How superfluously callous could a people get? And he is a Senator today! And you ask me why we want out, still?


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Biafra kwenu!

I wish to say that I agree with all that has been said so far ie. That Biafrans should be allowed to stay on their own. Evil communication corrupts good manners, and if we carry on eith this unholy alliance we stand the risk of loosing all our trade mark virtues.

For instance how can I hone my skills in my brnch of engineering when the Nigerians think power failure and fuel scarcity is normal.

I want out. I want out. I want out.

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Amanda thank you very much for your kind words, a slight digression, in Uganda last year I meet a pleasant Gentleman from Aba who on learning that I was getting married got in touch with my father-in-law to help with the arrangements I didn’t know him from Adam and he remains till today and always a dear friend. I was very touched by his generosity of spirit I hope we can debate issue’s with regards to back home with vigor and with out fear.

Vitalis I haven’t just started asking for a concerted effort to restructure that place, if you check on the old message board of Nigeria world I believe under the title Sharia Madness returns June 22 2000 I made a case for the Nation to split up, I admit I have not been as vocal as Seun with regards to this, there is no excuse I should have been, hopefully from here onwards we can make a concerted effort to attain this

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Please let us talk!. We need to arrange a conference to discuss our peaceful SEPARATION. You cannot keep trying to stop what you cannot stop, you will only be hurting yourself. It is inevitable that Biafra will be actualised, The question now is how?, I believe that if the present attitude of Nigeria does not change, when we leave, we will set the place (Nigeria) ablaze.
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Yeah right,

Let's part amicably. But Biafran's beware, sometimes you have to prepare for war if you want peace. Aremu thinks by chanting his mantra on the causes of the civil war we'd all go into hiding. Far from it fat man, this is year 2ks and you ain't seen nothing. Tell you friends we Biafrans are sick of your ineptitude and prodigious life style.
Umu nnem,

The opposition has a lot of guile and we must do our level best to match them this time diplomacy for diplomacy and machine gun for machine gun as done in Enyimba most recently when the rascals killed our people in Kaduna. Kalu out-foxed them in their own game by going to Sokoto to shake hands shortly after while our boys oiled their weapons. Ever wondered why the philistines mobilise so easily in their blood-thirsty frenzy? The clue lies in the fact that they always have a little radio in their kiosks and off course when they make some of their chants in mid afternoon you know it's time for human sacrifice. Lesson for us here is : Be informed, be prepared and be available.

The clouds are gathering

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Of Course we have to be ready to die fighting. Presently it has been a peaceful campaign, but we cannot fold our hands if they continue to kill us. What I know is that next time Biafrans will be prepared, and the fight will not be restricted to Biafraland, but will extend all over the area called Nigeria, hence my statement that we will leave the place burning.
Whenever the area boys and traders fought in Lagos, did you know that there were people who took part in the fights that travelled down from Onitsha for that sole purpose?. yes we were complacent in Kaduna recently, but did you know that after the aftermat of the Kano riots,during the zanko kataf crisis, the Fulanis were going round Kaduna with puplic address systems proclaiming that the Igbos' were not involved. That happened after they had heard a report that there was a convoy of Igbos moving down from Kano .
On governor Orji Uzor Kalu, there has been critism of him lately on this board lately over his role in scuttling the ambitions of Ekwueme. I can tell you that after Chief Ralph Uwazurike, the next in line when it comes to issues of Biafra, is Orji Uzor Kalu.
The Igbos were very impressed that he was the only person who was able to stand up to the bully OBJ.
On a recent trip to Lagos by Gov Kalu, to confer with Igbo traders, on hand to recieve him at the airport was Gov Tinubu. Of course the Alaba market was closed that day. Could the presence of Tinubu be Interpreted as an attempt to woo Igbo votes by Tinubu, against the favoured candidate of OBJ in the lagos Guber Election come 2003?.

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Bababoyz,

Don't let us mistaken your silence on this issue as timidity.

Let's hear your One Nigeria argument against Biafra Actualization.

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Amanda,

I am still very much around and just chilling for now. See me see trouble o, if I talk na wahala, if I no talk na wahala.

Meanwhile, why do you have to exposed Muda Kaduna like that? There are some of us who like to live in two worlds.

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Bababoyz,
Ahhh! My heart rejoices at the knowledge that you are swimming in the ocean of good health.

As for Muda, he may be affiliated to the North by birth, parentage, marriage, residence or business. But surely, he exhibits Igbo characteristics

Now, lets hear your voice on the subject matter.

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Wacko:
Nigeria may not realize that there has been a paradigm shift in the way Biafrans will proceed to freedom. Following the Kaduna massacre, we warned that any future attacks will meet swift and immediate retribution from us. Now, we are going one step further to warn that the threat of an attack by the Nigerians will justify preemptive strikes from Biafrans. We intend to defend our right to life and freedom to live that life without apprehension. Those Igbos who are still in the North are being warned once again to pack their bags and come home. We shall pay no ransom.

We support MASSOB, but let no one believe that we are followers of Ghandi and MLK. We have not given a Ghandian or Lutheran mandate to Uwazuruike either. We shall prevail, and we shall actualize Biafra BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Nigeria will NEVER operate against Biafrans with impunity or under a guarantee from Biafrans that there will be no violence directed at Nigerians. If it is non-violence that Nigeria wishes for, let Nigeria listen to and deal with Uwazuruike intelligently, and let Nigeria do so non-violently. No murderer of Biafrans should go to sleep at night knowing that he will be alive the next morning. None. We are seeing to that as we speak. Obasanjo and others who have murdered Igbos in cold blood will be made to answer.

What happens could depend on how Nigeria deals with Uwazuruike. After Uwazuruike, the rules of the game change completely. Those who think that this war will be fought strictly in Biafra had better start digging their heads out of their four-point-contact. We are a peaceful and peace-loving people, but let no one think that we are afraid of war.

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