Now, please do not murky what Ojukwu said with your own position, which has not been properly articulated so far. Ojukwu is a very precise speaker of the English Language. Just be sure you do not leap to any irrational conclusions based on Ojukwu’s statement. Saying that something is “loose talk” is NOT the same as saying that it is false. Your reproduction of other people’s thoughts rather than your own could soon reduce you to the same status that Risi Nantroof finds himself at EgbeOmoOduduwa.com. Simply regurgitating other peoples thoughts, whether it is Ayn Rand or Ojukwu, without making any intellectual input of your own suggests that you may be having trouble making such input. It also suggests that you may have had an ulterior motive in asking Dim. Ojukwu the question; you wanted Ojukwu to give an answer that you could run with and be able to say to your opponents who call you Sabo, “see, Ojukwu does not agree with you.” Unfortunately for you, Ojukwu is too intelligent to give you the Eureka you were looking for. He parried your question. I am still waiting for you to make your point , whatever it may be.

I guess you are now seeing how difficult it is to separate journalism from activism. In the two interviews you have held recently, you found yourself dealing with your own personal issues, or at least the issues that you personally feel strongly about, rather than what your audience was interested in. I hope you even understand who your audience is. Kalu was a fool, and both of you came out of that interview smelling like skunks. Ojukwu was far too intelligent; he made you look good in spite of yourself. Don’t mess it up. Your attempt to parle Ojukwu's answers from that interview into an advantage is failing. But, by all means, make your point.

Una, leave Rudolph alone.

Dr. Damages a.k.a. Rudolf Okonkwo is fulfilling a purpose: one of those indices that we must all factor in when we make plans. Call it eventuality, vagaries of life, whatever. We have it everywhere we find ourselves and could come in the form of the family black sheep that has failed in everything and defied all solutions. Naturally, all we can do is live with it.

Rudolf claims to have studied Engineering in one of the later generation Universities in Yoruba land. That may well be. From all indications, he never practiced that noble profession. He chose to dabble into Journalism, though I am yet to come across the Media Organization for which he works. May be, Nigeriaworld web page is a full time employment.

Are blind to the injustice in nigeria,why do you keep making excuses for people that oppress you why cant you use your talent to foster a cause that will help the common man in eastern nigeria.

Instead of orji kalu and ojukwu interviews why can't you interview survivors of massacares in the north. Why do the middle belters get red cross help and shelters but none in the east.

If you where such agood journalist why did you not ask kalu about the rumour surrounding his qualification.Why did you not ask about corruption in his state.

You are quick to fault people for having a dream and for the right to speak without fear about how they feel. Well you dont have to play both sides come out and state your position on massob.

I think you need to think about what you do and say.If you want to do some real work go talk to the common man in the east and see how they are suffering .What better ideas do you have to keep your people from suffering.what have you said about the present ineffective government

Our people didn't fully understand the enterprise of saying no to Nigeria- Ikemba

Sadly, they still do not understand.

a fault finder complains even that the bride is too pretty

no one sees his own faults

treachery and slander are long lived

the most learned are not the wisest

For so long, I have been disappointed by what my people (yes, I hope that does not make anyone vomit, for you all are still my people, whether you like it or not) are doing here. I saw a group of intelligent people, who for some reasons best known to them, refused to live up to their own strength. I was shocked that threads after thread all that I read were the same venting and snapping at people.

Some people must have made hundreds of postings here but have not contributed one single new or old thought to any discussion. And I know sincerely in my heart that these people are capable of doing better. I waited, with the hope that they might possibly exhaust their anger or wear off the recycled cuss words, but it seemed as if it would never happen.

I interjected because someone should. It is the responsibility of every body to see that the goat does not give birth while tied to the stake.

The cause you all are fighting for remains an alternative (to you all, it may be the imperative). It is a noble alternative. It is something very serious. It deserves respect. It deserves a better treatment than what it is receiving in your hands over here. Your approach to that noble cause is alienating many who would have contributed their own two cents to these debates. It is not the way to go.

Somebody had to say it and I chose to do so. I knew the reaction would be like this. It did not bother me for once. I have had more infuriated words thrown at me than anything anybody said here. It is the world I choose to live in and I am used to it. I really do not count. If I fall off the face of this earth today, the issues we all are dealing with will remain the same. It is, therefore, my sincere wish that you all should search your inner soul, re-evaluate your approach, and find a better way to dignify the cause of the Igbo man that you are fighting for.

But if you choose to continue on the path of name calling, to shout opponents down, to avoid the issues, ride on, all you my people. When all is said and done, you do not really have to live up to my own expectations and I do not have to live up to yours. It is when we face Amadioha that we all shall answer the question of how we helped to make our world a better place.

Nobody knows the right answer. It may well be “I called Ekwueme a moron. I called Udenwa and idiot. I called Ben Nwabueze an efuluefu. I called Kalu a sabo. I told Biafra nobody could say it as eloquent as he did. I swear, I did, Amadioha. If you doubt me, you can look it up on the web.”

As for me, if a wife decides to make the soup watery, the husband will learn to dent the foofoo before dipping it into the soup. Of course, I do not expect you all to see the sense in what I am saying. I am Nwa Idemili and when Eke Idemili goes out to deliver the message of the gods, he does not care whether the recipients listened or not.

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The cause you all are fighting for remains an alternative (to you all, it may be the imperative). It is a noble alternative. It is something very serious. It deserves respect. It deserves a better treatment than what it is receiving in your hands over here. Your approach to that noble cause is alienating many who would have contributed their own two cents to these debates. It is not the way to go.

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"So remind them my brother what Theodore Roosevelt said. Remind them that “it is not the critics who counts… it is not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled… credit belongs to the man who really was in the arena, his face marred by dirt, sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs to come up short and short again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming. It is the man who actually strives to do deeds, who knows the great enthusiasm and great devotion, who spreads himself on a worthy cause, who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and cruel souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
- My Apology, Brother Pius.

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Dr Damages,

Pardon me but I'm so used to 'looking backwards as a way of moving forward' that I feel a little re-cap is in order.

You'd authoritatively written:

"I just want to clear something up before someone carries the song and run. Igbo Forum used to be a closed newsgroup. Now it is not. Just type in Dr Damages and you will be there." posted July 30, 2001 07:36 AM

And when I made it clear by my posting that even these passive Biafrans do verify facts, and that in this case the information you volunteered was NOT to be trusted, you'd come back with more words including:
"..By it being opened up to me, a subscriber, I thought it has been opened up to everybody.
Now, you can subscribe by sending an email to Igbo_forum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is that simple.
That way, you will have the opportunity to listen to more voices. It is always better than listening to one's echo." posted July 30, 2001 08:27 AM
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By concluding the way you did, you made light the fact that you have shoved privileged information from an exclusive forum into the public domain. You are still indignant and will dorn the lecturer's garb. I wondered(as did Osetutu from Sydney) what your motive was for displaying a purely Igbo decision making debate in full public glare with names of contributors. It was appalling when you consider that one or two of the contributors where speaking in defence of armed struggle. You took it further by divulging the name of the secretary of Ekwe Nche. Could your grouse with Ekwe Nche be that they mentioned names in the recent article on Udenwa, Kalu and others?

It was irresponsible and despicable to say the least. For here you were quoting Ojukwu in the meaning of saying NO to Nigeria, which implied you know the risk involved, and yet you exposed the Igbo nation to a monumental obloquy as well as possibly compromising the privacy and safety of your brethren. Consider that some people are musing the idea of starting another forum within this forum. I didn't contribute to that thread because I felt the reason you started this one was not to preserve Igbo intergrity or love of secrecy and even if we opened a million fora you'll still do what you've just done.

As for the broadside on my person, thanks for your advice. I think I'm old enough to know which forum to belong to and no amount of insult will coerce me into posting my pro Biafran activities on this board. I'd rather be a voice(and maybe my echo) than be the echo of other voices.

"Consider the postage stamp: its usefulness consists in the ability to stick to one thing till it gets there."
~Josh Billings

I hate to burst your bubble, but your present posting has not said anything new on your(plural) perception of this board. We are pretty used to it now, but as God will have it some people feel it is the one place to be and the number is on the 'up' all the time.

You talked about name calling and I'm putting my hand up to plead guilty. Do I have any regrets or apologies? Heck NO! MASSOB is called names, Uwazurike has been called all sorts and that publicly by the high & mighty in Igbo land. So what difference does it make if they get a taste of their own medicine. In line with your reasoning if I don't call their names, no one would. I shall gladly welcome their legal action here in Europe or in the States. All they care about is the alleged 75% of Abuja they've bought up. It means nothing to them that a free born Igbo was flogged publicly by an angry sharia mob and then made to sign he won't take any action because he has NO MAN. Do they care that while unarmed people are shot for peaceful MASSOB rally, Gani Adams is walking as does the arsonists who burnt down a lot of Church edifices. As the day of reckoning appraoches, they'll have to contend with these words:

"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich."
~John F Kennedy

"Farmers are the only indispensable people on the face of the earth."
~Ambassador Li Zhaoxing, PRC, Idaho Grain, Fall 2000, p.8

Finally, on you advise(inferred) about the need for this board to "water down" in order to attract sympathisers, I just want to say that I personally would want people to fully appreciate what they are getting into. They must know some of us are here to say NO to Nigeria or whatever we believe. Again I don't really think people have any problem expressing themselves in this board. If they can't take the heat, then they can either stay away or chill out at the less intensive sections of this versatile board.

You need to check out this piece from Onabanjo to Onuegbe at the "other" board.

Adios,and just one more quote:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

Biafra lives!!!

PS: I am a christian, so I'm not into Eke Idemili whoever he or she is. My grandpa embraced christianity and the missionaries and my bed time reading as a kid was a book about "William Wilberforce" that Christian gentleman who battled for the abolition of slave trade.

Rudolf:
I avoided addressing your posts earlier because I hoped that you would really have something meaningful to say. I have also concluded that you have no regard for keeping Igbo secrets secret. I must admit that the shallowness of your last post has done more to raise doubts that I did not heretofore have about you. I have said this over and over to some of my friends in private discussions. BiafraNigeriaWorld is nothing but a forum where people go to talk. Only a fool will see it as the place to formulate policy for actualizing Biafra. I have met so many people from my involvement in this forum. I have even convinced the webmaster to start a forum on BiafraNigeria History. But, nothing I have done with them has been discussed here. My only hope is that when a son of Biafra or an Igbo son shows up in this forum, he will speak coherently and intelligently. So that at the end of the day, we can all say, we know where he stood. Ojukwu is a hero to us today because we know where he stood when it mattered. Who is Nwabueze? What is Ohanaeze? Who is your family’s or your clans or your town’s delegate to the self-appointed Ohanaeze Ndi Igbo? What do we really know that Nwabueze or Ekwueme did for Ndi Igbo or Biafrans, except maybe to show Ojukwu that Ohanaeze matters more to Obasanjo than Ojukwu does? If you expect us to play nice with people whose claim to fame is that they go to Abuja and get money to insult Ojukwu, you are sadly mistaken. This is the dawn of a new era. The way you write exposes your ignorance about what we Biafrans are doing. A journalist should be more exposed than that. It is not enough for you to just hold interview with people just because they happen to visit Boston, where you live.

You bitched and moaned when someone mentioned Ekwe Nche and Bakassi for dealing with Biafran saboteurs. But, you are so quick to call on the Gods of Ndi Igbo for your selfish purposes. Are these supposed to be threats? Do you think that Igbo Gods are dumb? Are you threatening to turn us in to Obasanjo? Is that who sent you? Are you another Ojo Maduekwe? I warn you my brother. Do NOT provoke the Gods of Ala Igbo. Eke Idenmili will not forgive you. If Eke does, Amadioha will not. Our Gods will turn their wrath on you. Do you think that Eke Idemili is the most powerful Igbo Snake or God? What do you know about Ozurumba Ndegwu, Ezeala Amakaohia, or Oke Opka Mbewaranya? Eke Idemili could not have sent you because the other Eke, Eke Njaba, would have known about it. Have you ever visited the Shrines of Nkolo? When Eke Idemili finds out that you are defiling Igboland (“pissing out” onto Igboland) with umu ofe nmanu, he will simply turn around and swallow you. Ozurumba Ndegwu and Ezeala Amakaohia will be there to make sure that Eke Idemili digests his dinner. Mberawaranya will crow to celebrate. A word is enough for the wise.

Your approach tells me that you are unfit and ill-equipped to deliver ANYTHING for Eke Idemili. Eke did NOT send you. The question now is WHO SENT RUDOLF, Nwa Okonkwo? You came to serve your own selfish purposes and the purposes of your master. Please, do not blaspheme Eke. We know that you have been complaining that pro Biafrans call you a saboteur. That has NOTHING to do with Eke. You have made that complaint to anyone that would listen. They listened and they presented your case to Chineke. Go and sit down.

As much as I am disppointed with what Dr Damages Rodulf Okonkwo have become, I still maintain that he is one of our own. We should not throw him to the wolfs. As Mr Okonkwo quoted Eke idemili, Let me quote my own gods, Ala ukwu Ogbe. He said you will never disown his own child, and he will never seat idle and let somebody else harm his child. However whenever his child missbehave he wants to be the one doing the discipline not another gods from the outside.

Yes may be our brother Dr Damages have erred, But he is still one of our own. Dr Damages said that the cause we are fighting is a noble alternative, I disagree with him there, is not just noble is the only alternative to all Igbos and our minority sibblings from the East. Now we can not say because our brother Dr damages have erred and start reprimanding him in the public. Now I am appealing to you my fellow sibblings to please cut Dr damages some slack, lets not reprimand him in public, lets defend him in public however when we get home we will give him a tone lashing.

Our people said iro nwa adighi eru na okpukpu. Our Igbos also said Iwere aka ikpa ti nwane gi ihe gi were aka nri guguo ya. So as much as I would like to take my brother Rudolf to backyard right now and show him that I am still his big brother. Having said that because he is one of our own, I don't like what happened to Brother Steve Nwabueze to happen to him. Big Steve thought that outsiders will love him better than his own brothers and sisters, then those same outsider used him and dumped him. If you check I didn't comment much on the picture of Big Steve displayed on this board by Kunle. I think the only reason kunle displayed that picture wash to rubish Mr Nwabueze, so that Kunle will go back to his egbeomooduwa.com to say you see Big steve was rubished by his own people. My people Kunle is setting Big Steve Up for future humiliations.

Unfortunately some of my Igbo sibblings who claimed to be detribalized have not learned that hard lesson, that Onye ya na ekwensu na erie nri ji akpara ngaji ogono go.
[/b] Okadigbo claimed to be detribalized see how obasanjo used him and dumped him, Evan Enwerem claimed to be detribalized they used him and dumped, Dr Ekwueme claimed to be detribalized, they used him and dump him, Now they are using fat boy nutty professor Anyim. Very soon the will dump him then he will crawl back to Igbos.

Have any of you try to reason why they never tried DIM Ojukwu?

Well said.

Dr. Damages:
You wrote,

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The cause you all are fighting for remains an alternative (to you all, it may be the imperative). It is a noble alternative. It is something very serious. It deserves respect. It deserves a better treatment than what it is receiving in your hands over here. Your approach to that noble cause is alienating many who would have contributed their own two cents to these debates. It is not the way to go.

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This forum was born under fire as people were banned at EgbeOmoOduduwa.com. Thus, it is to be expected that debates will be furious, at least for a while. The board is only 4 months old. You will have to admit that the board has done very well in the four months that it has been in existence. It has surpassed Igbo_Forum. It even has recorded more posts than EgbeOmoOduduwa during the same period. It is very diversified – boasting many interesting sections. I don’t much care for the so-called Yahoo Igbo_Forum. First of all, I don’t like the name Yahoo attached to something Igbo. It is undignified. Some of the other Igbo forums use e-mail that clog my inbox with junk.

In his post above, Ojukwu has said that this is merely a forum for discussion. I disagree with that. People have successfully used BiafraNigeriaWorld as a platform to launch petitions to the UN and to conduct other noble projects. The forum may not be perfect, but you are not helping by showing up here to tell us about the wild animals from your village that you folks call God, whether it is Eke Idemili or any other wild animal. If I visit your village and you bring out that snake, I will make snake filet out of it and serve it to my German Shepherd.

If anyone has anything to say, let them come and say it. Let’s stop making silly excuses.

Igwe Biafra, knowing that you are the electronic Al-Capone of the Biafra Alternative, statements such as above is what I have consistently told you to refrain from. Why must you forcibly conscript NDeltans into your alternative/imperative? Can't you do it alone this time?

Not that it really matters. Such was how Colonels Ojukwu and Effiong - both bonafide losers - managed to conscript untold woes over a multitude in an ill-planned and logistically unviable war. I can sense that spirit is still lingering.

Very well, if your constiteuncy decides by vote of confidence to be part of Biafra, you can jolly well remain in any part of Nigeria that suits your fancy. No body will force any constituency to be part of the new Biafra.

You would want us to derail the issue at hand to address your revisionist views of the Biafran pogrom. I'll humor you with one irrefutable statement: the war was forced on Biafra and not the other way round.

I don't know under what influence you operate but it would take your entire kindred zillion generations to produce anyone that would justifiably refer to Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu as a loser. Look in the mirror and tell what stares back at you that a lowly scum bag like you actually referred to those 2 icons as losers.

Its one thing to get fat on oyibo hamburger forgetting that actually a significant percentage of your kith and kin remain domestic helps and can aspire to nothing more. But the cheek of profiling Ojukwu as a loser stretches it way out of limit. I guess it’s your own ingrained profile of servitude that wouldn't let you see that actually you could take your destiny into your own hands.

Rudolf has now admitted that “[t]he cause you all are fighting for remains an alternative (to you all, it may be the imperative). It is a noble alternative. It is something very serious. It deserves respect.” I’d say that is quite some progress.

Why is our little Mr. Rudolf now worrying his little head about Biafra? Could it be we have taught him that a journalist could also be an activist? If so, there may be hope for him after all.

Umu Biafra:
Do not click on the following link. unless you want to see how angry Eke has gotten with Rudolf. This link is for Rudolf only.

Rudolf Nwa Okonkwo:

I reminded you earlier that Eke Idemili Does NOT Send Efulefu to Umu Biafra.

This is only a warning. Remember, you have not met Ezeala, or Ozurumba, or Oke Okpa Mbewaranya. Don't make them more angry than they already are.