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Yes, we ran.

We ran from Nigerians.
We ran from Biafrans.

The Nigerians brought food, their girls and houseboys.

The biafrans brought nothing but misery. They drafted my uncle who was younger. They drafted my father( an older man) for protesting the continuous pilfering of his farm. Notwithstanding that my father had fed biafran platoons for more than 2 years. As young as I was I was drafted to carry ammunitions and to be a spy. They killed, rampaged and raped...... and we thought we were biafrans??????

Who are these biafrans? Can they be trusted? That pervasive distrust is still existent today.

Those who feel like yapping nonesense as against those who participated in the war should be mute.

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Sam:
Good topic. But who exactly is your enemy now? Biafra or Nigeria? Let us know, and I heard your rantings. Nothing new, though.

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sam:
what is the point? I am somehow kind of confused here. Break it down, please.

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Sam
The Nigerians brought food, I guess after they starved us to death, really.
Please come back and explain your nonsense better.

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Odili,

That your name sounds very delta or Rivers. U know where U belong. Stop this group think.

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Amucha1, U will be confused I guess. But don't be troubled. The truth of the biafran debauchery will be known by all biafran minorities soon.

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Sam,
I am Igbo and Odili (Odilichukwu) is an Igbo name. Igbos in Rivers, Delta and Bayelsa, even cross river and from what I heard Akwaibom (very small part) are Igbos proper. What u should know about Igbo culture is that we have no particular culture. Every Igbo group has its own culture, whether it is Ikwrere, Asaba, Ekpenye, Echie, Abua, Awka, Nnewi, Mba ano,etc.
What are u trying to do? Divide the Igbos. The Igbos in Rivers should infact be in Souith east if not that the gov. doesn't want them to be part of South east bcause of the oil in their land. What is the diffrernce between th Rivers Igbo and Imo Igbo? Nothing, it is only dialect.
Did u know that? Igbos have thousands of dialect. It will be insane for any one to say that an Awka man or Ikwere man is not Igbo because they don't speak th same dialect. If that's so then nobody is Igbo. The Yorubas have different dialects but they are all Yoruba.

Sam did u know that we have Ikwere Igbos in Imo state? Ikwere Igbos and other Igbo groups went through the same trauma during the war. They all lost their prperties and no one was asked whether your name sounds Ikwere, or Archukwu.

I am not from Rivers, neither am I from Delta for your information. Ohanaeze represents them all. Our nation is intact.

Sam I know where I belong.

The minorities have realised that they made the dumbest mistake supporting Obasanjo, Awolowo, Gowon, etc. Many of the youths are now members of MASSOB. Biafra is their friend. Biafra represents freedom and self determination which many down there wish they could have fought for it.

A united East is stronger than a divide East.


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Sam:
What truth of the Biafran debauchery will be shed to light, "known soon" in your own words? Here you come again, even though 'am not gonna use words that describes your ignorance, but I would tell you a little bit about history from this perspective.

I have no idea where your origin is, but tell me at 27 Item Street, Port Harcourt,the house originally owned by Uzoji was coerced and stolen by Ngofa of Kalabari, and that is justified in your right thinking mind. On Ikot Ekpene Street, via Aba Road, Port Harcourt, uncounted properties owned by Igbo merchants were confiscated and declared Abandoned Property; thus, dubiously allocated to the Yekwes of Yenagoa, the Allagoas, the Whites of Kalabari, the Saro-Wiwas of Ogoni, and the list goes on and on.

So Mr. Sam, tell me about this your "debauchery."

It might also interest you to know that due to bigotry and hatred, the Igbo bearing street and zonal names in mainland Port Harcourt were altered to read no meaning at all; as in Umuoji to "Rumuoji," Umuola to "Rumuola," Umunkwuruisi to "Rumunkwuruisi," etc.

So, Mr. Sam, I am now amazed at your ignorance.

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Now, will somebody tell me what this man is talking about. What is the point?

Hail Biafra

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Sam,
You are a confused man. Where ever you belong in Biafra seek the truth, for the truth will set you free. Unfortunately for you at this point, you do not know who your enemies are. I may help you a little bit, Your enemy are those people that brought you the present misery, the people degraging your land, drilling your oil and putting the money in their overseas account without qualm. Your eneny are those who think ruling you is their birth right, I am sure you know who they are.

Today your people are suffering from hunger
ignorance, and desease. To talk about your Biafran expirence the way you did, shows how unfair you are,for that great struggle against the forces of evil. You should blame your fellow Nigerians for your woes not Biafra.

Biafra was a safe haven for a people who were butchered all over Nigeria. A people who were rejected in their supposed country out of envy, hatered, and wickedness.Your posting tells me you are an angry man, who is casting blame where blame should never be cast.

Rethink your present position, because you will be better off in the new Biafra than the present fraud called Nigeria. If you are a Biafran, Wakeup from your slumber and join the struggle, for a new hope for you and your children yet unborn.


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Waypoint1Biafra:
Please, edit your post. Delete some of the ?s. The thread is off.

Uncle Sam:
Make your point, if you have one. No time for shakara.


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Please delete this worthless thread. Mr Sam is coming here to make mockery because egbeomooduduwa.com is temporarily off the air. More over no body can read this thing the way it stretched.

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How about that Dave? By the way I'm still waiting for Sam to make his point.

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Brother WaypointIBiafra:
That looks much better. Thanks.

Now, if only we can get Sam to make his point.


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Sam u really are a confused moron. There's a big difference between Biafra and Nigeria. U should know that. If u don't have anything useful to say other than spewing your trash on this forum, I'll suggest that u keep your hands off the key board for your own good.
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Odili,

U may have spoken well initially. I hope you don't join fascists in unreasonable spewing of hate.


When a serious topic is tabled, it is common for fascists to discard it as "useless".

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Folks:
Let's not make Sam another attention-grabbing local champion. He refused to answer most questions posed to him, making this particular thread he started irrelevant. Boardmaster, close this thread.

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Sam,

If they are fascist then I am a fascist for believing in freedom and self determination. They have spewed no hate. U brought up this senseless topic by yourself. Sam what is your problem?

Is your hatred for the Igbos and Biafrans so much that u can't even see and read the writing on the wall. Nigeria doesn't want us regardless of our ethnicity.

I don't really think u know the meaning of being a fascist 'cause if u do you wouldn't refer to any peace loving pro Biafran as fascist. Sam u are the fascist. Search your soul 'cause something is wrong with u. The way u reason baffles me.

Only a fascist will support injustice even when it is obvious that he knows that his actions are unjustifiable.
Only a fascist will tell a brother to go against his brother and later come back to exploit the misunderstanding for his own gains, leaving the quarelling brothers in poverty. The Igbos have done nothing wrong to u Ndeltans. If u love yourselves why were properties owned by Igbos and othet ethnic groups who fought for Biafra seized. Colo and his family are good examples.

U said u were drafted to fight for Biafra. If that is true then congrats for your own effort even though u are now being nothing but a freaking sabo. Igbos were also drafted whether they liked it or not. It was a sacrifice that every able bodied men have to make to liberate their people. U know who caused the civil war so please stop talking trash. My paternal uncle was also drafted and he is proud of the efforts that he made to save us from total genocide. My own father and my maternal uncle were also drafted but they escaped out of fear. Were they against Biafra? No. My mother and her relatives were against them fighting but rather than fight,my father, uncle and mom starting cooking food, baking bread for the Biafran soldiers. They made their own contribution. In every war males ara always drafted. Americans were drafted to stop the Japanses invaders. Biafrans were drafted to stop the bloodthirsty Nigerian invaders. U have nothing useful to say and u are confused. Very confused.

Nigeria brought food, yeah right. Have u forgotten that Nigeria starved all of us. Sam it was the Red Cross, and other organisations that brought foods and other supplies to us not Nigeria which was using starvation as their weapon of war. Don't u remember that or are u having memeory loss.
My mother had to ride the trains to collect foods from the Catholic missionaries in Portharcourt until it was captured by those bastards called Nigerians.
Biafra is great. When the Communist North Koreans were invading South Korea the S. Koreans did what they had to do to save themselves. Biafra did the same.

U are not the only one who was drafted. Uwazuruike tried to get drafted but because of his tender age he wasn't allowed to join the soldiers. Many of u Ndeltan sabos are your own problem. U are the architects of your own problems. U supported Nigeria and when they were done using your confused asses they lashed out at u. Ogonis and the Odi people are good examples. They thought they were smarter than the rest and now where are they? Aren't they the ones now meeting with Igbo youths. (MOSOP)

How are they fairing?
Are the Igbos their so called enemies the ones milking their lands? No
Are we the ones killing them?
Have the Igbos ever tried to revenge or commit genocide against any minority ethnic group in the East? No
Aren't the Igbos the ones in support of resource control. Before the chameleons from Odua land were screaming about resource control.


"I will die for Resource Control." blah blah blah

Those were thier words but what happened the last minute. THEY started castigating the Easterners. Who are the ones who stood behind the minorities? Igbos.
Ojukwu and Uwazuruike, Effiong, are in support of resource control but they are still your enemies in your eye.

People should have being smart enough to know that the Yorubas are chameleons.

We have tried to live peacefully with u Igbo haters but unfortunately u are to blind to see your real enemies. U are just living in denial. U know what Biafra stands for.

Nigeria brought house girls and boys, wow. U want to tell me that Nigeria chatterd servants from Yoruba and Hausa land to serve some hungry skinny Biafrans. Sam u need help.
Even a little child will know that your statements sound stupid, silly and childish.

Why is South-South and South East neglected and treated like slaves. If Nigeria loves
u so much then why do they kill your people whenever their is a religious riot. Nigeria sees us as the same people. Go to the North u think they'll care about your ethnicity when they set to kill the Easterners. THEY SEE all of us as the same. Infact over there some of them refer to us as Ibos regardless of your ethnicity. They don't care whether u are from Akwaibom. If they want to kill the Efiks tomorow in the North all Easterners will fall in the same category.

MAY BE you thought Ojukwu wanted your fraeking oil. Man u are confused. The Igbos hve enough oil in thier land and wouldn't even depend on oil alone for their income. U know that. The Igbos can thrive in any land we have enough resources. U should be afraid of he Yoruba and Hausa invaders coming to our land to milk it dry. The only reason why u have Oduas and Arewas in Nigeria is our oil. When it is gone they'll seceed. After that what will u gain. May be if u all fought for Biafra u wouldn't find yourselves in your situation now. Nigeria is a cursed nation.

The 3 million dead Biafrans must be laughing at u sabos.

Sam what ethnic group are u from.

If u want to remain in Nigeria, u are free to do so. Nigeria is your enemy. Biafra is your friend. If u don't like it u can go to hell as far as I am concerned.


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I don't know why this level of intolerance. Different people can give different viewpoints on how Biafra affected (or still affects) them. Some are truthful and it is irresponsible and insensitive to blast 'em off as baseless. You guys will be taken with a wee bit of seriousness that day you start discussing real issues rather than hateful tabloid sensationalism.

Even, there is a growing # of N'digbo with adverse accounts of the war and who really call to question both leadership and personal qualities of Rebel Leader Ojukwu. For example, read below public document culled from another website:

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The Secessionist Confederalist and why they Must Fail

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Odindu Odunze Ph.D.

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It is regrettable if not indeed an irony in the Nigerian political history that at the time the south got into the presidency, their dissident leaders seize the opportunity to dismantle the federal Republic of Nigeria. And they do so because too many leaders want the presidency, and they want it now. Tomorrow is too late because the resources to loot will dwindle. Their propaganda has become most effective in Igboland as well as in the Yorubaland. They want to make the loyalist north angry enough to join the fray in this new dispensation. The scheme is simple. If the Northern Elements and the Oodua Republics want to go their different ways why then bother about one Nigeria? This is a dangerous game. As you read this article I urge you to place a discreet profile on a typical Nigerian secessionist confederalist. See if you could as I did, place on him, the vices of inordinate greed, power monopoly, intellectual pride, selfishness, and perhaps confused idiocy.

I take the defunct Biafra as the reference point for my argument because it seems to me that those who have personal interest in Biafra and Aburi accord originated the debate on the conference of ethnic nationalities. As we seriously dialogue on why Nigeria is failing, and why we must dismantle it, prudent Igbo citizens and all Nigerians must revisit why Biafra failed. Biafra failed because of the identical traits for which the “I know betters” fault the Nigerian system. Biafra failed because of inherent hatred, greed, nepotism, power monopoly, lack of accountability and personal showmanship. I warn that as long as these traits have become habitual in our present leaders, any separatist enclave in Nigeria must equally fail, be it a second Biafra, Oodua Republic or Arewa Republic. You cannot permanently dismantle a WHOLE in order to make it better. Only fools do so. I dare say that both the Yorubas and Ndigbo and even the northern elements do not realize the amount of dissidence within their groups. Each group may now pretend they have the coerced solidarity they need to win a battle on secession. But just wait and see. To be fore warned is to be fore armed. Nigerians please note.

Justice Oputa’s Human Rights commission probing Nigerians’ inhumanity to fellow Nigerians and all crimes during and after the civil war must remain incomplete if it fails to probe past warlords in both Nigeria and in the defunct Biafra. As Ndigbo rightly decry their fate in the hands of Gowon’s butchers, they must remember that Ojukwu told us in his book that there were no rights and wrongs about the conduct of the civil war. I believe that the commission should equally probe the heartless executions of hundreds of Biafran young officers by the hands of Colonel Achuzie, Ojukwu’s efficient killing machine, and in the process invite his excellence the Biafran Head of State to testify why there were no wrongs and rights in the conduct of the civil war. Biafrans meted untold cruelties to one another during the war. Many of our people were made to dig their own graves in which they were buried alive. The most despicable assertion of those who are ignorant of Biafra’s episode is to infer that a Nigerian hero, Major Emmanuel Ifeajuna, was the catalyst to Biafra’s failure. To this day, Ojukwu cannot justify his cruel execution of major Emmanuel Ifeajuna. Ndigbo want to know why Ifeajuna and Alele were executed because such callous executions will resurface if Ndigbo remain naiveté to allow this nonsense about Biafra and confederacy.

By the way I dare say that there is no other Nigerian group, which has imbibed the culture of killing its own more than the IBOS. It is a culture we inherited from the civil war. And yet we talk of human rights or the lack thereof. When Ibos kill Ibos there is no human rights violation. I wonder how one of the most civilized groups in Nigeria has found gratification in the barbarous culture of killing one another without due process. The state governments and the Nigerian government must as a matter of urgency find how best to utilize the services of the vigilante groups without letting become public executioners. This sort of cruelty will further desensitize the minds of the younger generations who will invariably better the instruction. And question is, when will this sort of killing stop?
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Ikpatt:
You are such a moron. You wrote “read below public document culled from another website.” If you really thought that the website you took that article from had credibility, you would have told us the name of that website. That article was written by yet another “Igbo Ph.D. author” with a yahoo.com e-mail address at KadunaMafia.com, a.k.a Gamji.com. Go and get a life. You know pretty well that KadunaMafia.com lacks credibility when it comes to "articles" by alleged "Igbo" authors. So, you resorted to cheap tricks, hiding the source of the article. Well, I was ahead of you. These articles by alleged “Igbos” and alleged “Ph.D’s” don’t impress me. Just take that trash back to Gamji, where you got it.

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from the article posted by C.Ikpatt

"By the way I dare say that there is no other Nigerian group, which has imbibed the culture of killing its own more than the IBOS. It is a culture we inherited from the civil war. And yet we talk of human rights or the lack thereof. When Ibos kill Ibos there is no human rights violation. I wonder how one of the most civilized groups in Nigeria has found gratification in the barbarous culture of killing one another without due process".

That says it all.

What inheritance do the minority have in that geographical "future" Biafra?

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I wil not dignify this thread with a post. This is going to be my last comment on this thread. I do appreciate this board masters hands off policy. Even though I have appealed to him to delete this thread, unfortunately he has choosed not to do so since is not part of this Board policy to interfare with threads. I gladly respect that. However I have decided to do the next best thing which is to ignore this thread and Mr sam and Mr Ikpatt. I wish my fellow sibblings will do likewise and ignore this attention grabbing twosome. They are out of touch with the reality on the ground in the East right now and the new found solidarity between the Igbos and their minority sibblings.

I will rather listen to Gov Duke and brother Okwuchukwu of this world than to listen to hate mongering likes of Ikpatt and sam.

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Biafra,

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Most of you complained of censorship and being muzzled. Here you are advocating what you complained of.

Shame on you. I use to think you are one of the reasonable ones.

Rather than deal with the fears of minorities, you chose to thrash the issue.

Good luck to you and your utopian dream.

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"The truth of the biafran debauchery will be known by all biafran minorities soon." --- Sam.

Sam:
When I read that statement, I thought that you were about to make some startling revelation. Since then, all you have done is yap like a crazed puppy. You are the sort of person that should be banned from BiafraNigeriaWorld because you have nothing to say pro or con. Obviously, you have some deep seated animosity against Igbos. But, you have failed to learn the first thing about Igbos. We are an expressive people. If you think that our quarrel with Rudolf is a reason for you to jump in and attack him or us, then you are more stupid than I thought. Any dispute that any member of this forum has with Rudolf is non of your business. You are not Igbo, and you certainly are not Biafra material.

You have such inferiority complex that you cannot even say what part of the Niger-Delta you are from. What are you afraid of? Is it because your part of Niger-Delta has no oil? Shame on you. You disgust me.

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And you call yourself nwokeoma? U should be nwokeojo.

Anyhow, U made me laugh. And for real, I laughed at your foolishness. U really know how to twist things. Why don't you work in spin city?

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Ok Sam, I am impressed. You speak some Igbo. So, what is your real angst? We are listening. You never know. We might pleasantly surprise you.
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