How about your beloved country? Is BiafraNigeria ready for war too?
Will BiafraNigeria fight Cameroon? If so, will you fight for BiafraNigeria? Whose side will you fight on if war broke out between BiafraNigeria and Cameroon? Who is likely to win?
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If you want to know how the war will be fought and who will win, take a good look at the following map. From the Bight of Biafra to the Bakassi Peninsula itself, the Hausa-Fulani have no friends, except pockets of saboteurs such as Clement Ikpatt in the Cross river area.
There is no way that a nomadic Hausa-Fulani army can win a war in that terrain. BiafraNigeria will come to an end if it goes to war with Cameroon. I will fight for Cameroon.
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bakassi was used to bribe the cameroonians during the civil war to keep their border closed now that the threat of the igbos rising again is gone the nigerians want their land back. well now you can see the result they will fight for it. did you believe gowan when he said he did not give up any of nigerias territory.
I would love to see the two countries go at it as they have the blood of 2 million biafrans on their hands.In summary who cares what they do about it. If biafra had won the war this would not have been a problem as they would have taken it back and colonised northern cameroon
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Bakassi Peninsular people should ask for their Bakassi nation. Nigeria betrayed them by using them as a ransome and bargaining chip to blockade Biafra during the war. Cameroon betrayed them by accepting the offer only to rape and pillage the Bakassi people and their oil. None of them deserve Bakassi. But if push comes to shove, Cameroon should trash Nigeria and claim Bakassi. Cameroon won Bakassi as a war booty. So I'll give logistic support for Cameroon.
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Whatever resolution the Nigerians and the Cameroonians reach, they should know that it is not binding on Biafra. Bakassi is Biafran territory.
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Before we start calling for this war, do not forget that it will be fought on our territory and that our people will be used as sheilds by both sides as we are sandwiched between them.
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It looks as if more needs to be done to check the menace of this forum and this site. We cannot continue to accept that you have a right to deface maps of Nigeria by putting Biafra on it. It appears that having silenced MASSOB and the other smaller groups, this forum has refused to go away.
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Abi, mallam Adamu dey smoke for ears nyafu nyafu! He he he. The map looks better with BIAFRA on it. It will look magnificent when Biafra map is standing on its own. Mallam, it is only our efulefus that have allowed you Fula wanderers to pooh on the trunk of our palm trees. Lai lai tu lai lai Biafra dey kampe!
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Adamu, Like Arewa, MASSOB, Biafra Foundation, COLIP, Biafraland, WIC, Igbo USA are all chop-chop organizations run by itiboribos. I heard it from the grapevine that the real Biafra Liberation organization is operating covertly. Boy, them say that when this group makes itself known, Obasanjo,Rimi, Arewa, ohanefulefu old farths will be having heart attacks hehehehe!
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I did not mind when I saw that this forum was called BiafraNigeriaWorld. But, when you start to change the map and call the country a different name. That is a bit much. It is a declaration of war.
Seun: Do you agree with that map?
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Ayodele, It seems like you are lost about what this forum is all about? Biafraland is quite a diffrente entity from your nigeria, although presentlly occupied by the mallam army in alliance with your mgbati vandals, we the Biafrans have vowed to liberate our land in other to build a model nation for Africa that will be envied and respected by the west and the rest of the world and you are still talking of graphic maps. just be patiant you will understand the meaning of that map you see on this forum very soon. are you saying that you have not come across this www.biafraland.com please visit this side now.
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I went to that site. All I could see was worthless propaganda and incitement. What is your point? I go by what is written on the front of this forum as the mission: "To foster dialogue and the free expression of ideas." Has that changed?
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War or no war, Cameroon or Biafranigeria will not go to war. Cameroon will win the war of psychology beccause Biafranigeria is not mentally organized to fight any war outside her territory. Biafranigeria is weak and of course divided. To go to war with another country, the people must first support the government.
In Biafranigeria, every tribe has been well wishing to get out of Dutch. Cameroon has analyzed Biafranigeria militarily, her human resources and tribal blunders are destined to rock her boat and victorious for Cameroon
There would be no war but Cameroon has already won the psychological aspect of it because Biafranigeria could not afford to fight. They will do anything reasonable to chicken out with grace. However, if they do go to war, you can bait your life that the bulkanization of Biafranigeria is done.
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Ayodele, quote I go by what is written on the front of this forum as the mission: "To foster dialogue and the free expression of ideas." Has that changed? quote closed No, that is exactlly what we are doing, the fact that you are a bona fide member of this forum unhinderd and unrestricted of access to post topics and reply proves that the managment and memebers of this forum has done greatlly well. we are talking and we are free indeed. remove prejudice and go back to the site agian, if you are honest tell your self the truth.
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quote:He insisted that Gowon went to Cameroun to sign the agreement and could not be said that he "acted under duress," saying that "the agreement was" insurmountable" instrument and a treaty without "procedural defects and bounding on both parties."
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quote:Cameroun maintained its position on the sovereignty of the areas, from the Lake Chad region in the north, to the Bakassi Peninsula in the sea, as indicated in the various legal instruments it submitted in evidence. It also asked the court to examine Nigeria's alleged invasion and subsequent military occupation of its territories, especially Bakassi, for possible annexation.
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There are great emotions involved in this Bakassi affair. I wonder if Nigeria and Cameroon will be willing to abide by the decision of the World Court at the Hague? Cameroon, more likely, than Nigeria, probably needs a judgement against its position, to allow for a dignified withdrawal. But Nigeria does not need such because it MUST win this case. To lose Bakassi for any government in Nigeria is for that government to bear the burdens and pay the consequences of past governments in Nigeria. Bakassi is a letmus test for our sovereignty and whether we can successfully defend that sovereignty. It will help if we can marshall sufficient evidence and argument before the Justices at the Hague for our position but knowing how disorganized and unprepared we generally approach issues, I doubt we can. But whatever the decision at the World Court is we must not lose the Bakassi Penusela. And that is a fact!
That means that we must be prepared to defend our claim to this Penusela. How? I am not a lawyer but I enjoin the legal eagles who will argue our case to burn the midnight oil, do the necessary research and due deligence and do a damn good job of presenting the facts. Militarily, we must prepare to check any military incursion into Bakassi by Cameroon and its ally, France. Let it be known now that France will definitely act to ensure that Cameroon retrieves Bakassi ESPECIALLY if Nigeria loses her claim before the World Court. How?
Neither Nigeria nor Cameroon are in a position to fight a long drawn out war over Bakassi. And the kind of armies they have and their battle deployments simply makes that type of war inevitable. This should act as a restraint, you asked. It ought to but it will not because of the emotions involved. So to change the equation, France with a few significant technology and specialized forces on the ground will change the face of this battle. It will be easy for France to do this secretly while maintaining public neutrality.
I suspect that this knowledge is what bolsters the confidence of the Cameroonian Minister for Special Duties in his BBC interview. Nigeria must not be caught asleep at the wheel. And this will require calculating French involvement in a future conflict over Bakassi and coming up with a calibrated military response that will diminish French military and technological superiority. As the great Chinese military strategist, Sun Tzu, advised hundreds of years ago, the goal of any military commander is to turn the opponenets strength against it. How? By making that strength a source of weakness.
Based on the forgoing I dare suggest that Nigeria to nullify French-Cameroonian technological (and after the lessons of Afghanistan, special forces superiority must send clear signals Yaounde and Paris that any military incursion by Cameroon into Bakassi will result in Nigeria not only acting to reverse such hostile incursion but also in Nigeria attacking other parts of Cameroon. This doctrine of total war is needed to create strategic parity beyond the battlefield where France and indirecly, Cameroon have significant advantage. Here, we marry our doctrine of total war on Cameroon to unpredictability. And the very uncertainty of our response - limited action to reverse Cameroon (France) incursion in Bakassi or total war on Cameroon - will limit Cameroon's and especially, France's willingness to take risks. I have to run. Enjoy!
Great post. The large scale war that you are proposing would require BiafraNigeria to mobilize her citizens and nearly all of her military and economic assets for war against Cameroon. Do you think that Easterners (Biafrans) would be willing to fight for BiafraNigeria against Cameroon? Already, some in the Bakassi Peninsula have threatened to secede from BiafraNigeria and join Cameroon.
What are BiafraNigeria's military advantages that we expect would come into play if the war were broadened beyond the Bakassi region? If the population of BiafraNigeria is deemed to be such an advantage, what lessons are we to draw from the Eritrea-Ethiopia war, where Eritrea (population 4 million ~ 6 million) defeated Ethiopia (population 50 million ~ 60 million)?
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Broadening the war beyond Bakassi will play to Nigeria's advantage. For example, we can respond to any Incursion into Bakassi by Cameroon (and France) by opening an artillery attack on Cameroon from Mubi and two or three areas outside of Bakassi. The advantage for Nigeria here is that Nigeria has more tanks, long range big guns and soldiers to throw at Cameroon from different directions. It will also force Cameroon (and France)to diversify their assets in response to Nigeria's war-fighting strategy. It increases the probability for France to need to deploy more personnels, aircrafts and logistics support beyond its current military assets in other parts of Africa. This will entail a political decision on the part of the French. It will also expose French involvement in African affairs.
As for the Easterners I am certain that if necessary they will fight to keep Bakassi. The Bakassi Boys may even be the first to volunteer. Seriously, yes, the Easterners will fight to keep Bakassi whether they are in Nigeria or in the Republic of Biafra.
Finally, you asked if population size conveys an advantage to Nigeria. No, because in modern warfare, what counts is the throw weight of your weapon systems and how fast you can deploy and move them. Any army that travels fast and throws a heavy punch will beat a large, unwieldly army any day. Israel has proven that factuality against the Arab armies on few occasions. But in this instance of Nigeria against Cameroon, both armies are by no means modern. They will fight the type of war they are familiar with - firing of artillery and tank rounds, a few scattered bombings here and there and rifle soldiers inching forward to bleed over gained and lost territories. This is the type of warfare that African and most poor armies are familiar with. It is the type of war that had made many of its generals and admirals. Minus, French involvement, Nigeria will always win this type of warfare. It can afford to absorb casualties and keep fighting more than Cameroon because of its large population. Those who lived through the Biafra - Nigeria civil war understand of which I speak.
Regarding Eriteria, if memory serves me right I think they lost their last war against Ethiopia. The territories they took from Ethiopia were all recovered. Except for UN intervention the Ethiopia army was set to match to the Red Sea and reclaim that access to the sea that they had long coveted since the independence of Ethiopia. Eriteria could have successfully defended their claims on the battle field against Ethiopia except they fought the war they were familiar with. They deployed their soldiers in trenches, did not use their big guns and tanks in a concentrated fashion against one or two specific Ethiopian positions to achieve a break-across and probably encircle the Ethiopian forces arrayed across them in the same manner. Both armies fought a WWI type of warfare made worse by the use of modern weapons. The end result was carnage on both sides. But the Ethiopians, with a larger army and population, could afford to bleed more. The rest, is as they say, now history. Enjoy!
Excellent post. This represents my sentiments exactly. France no doubt will see Bakassi Peninsula as a means of gaining major ground in the ‘oil-politics’ of Africa, hence support for its traditional ally Cameroon. This Naturally explains the level of arrogance and irresponsibility coming from the Cameroonian officials who should know better that the last thing Africa needs now is another senseless war.
Common Sense dictates that ego would prevent Nigeria from accepting a verdict against her. Ironically it seems since Cameroon has started beating the drums of war, the sensible thing for Nigeria to do to avert full scale war, is to announce STRONGLY to Cameroon and its ally(s) (France), that any attempt overt or covert, corporate or otherwise at undermining the territorial integrity or Nigeria, shall result in a full scale No-holds-bared war that would not be limited to previous border skirmishes (Shagari style). This it seems may be the only way to knock some senses into these irresponsible war-mongering officials in Cameroon and impress on everyone that dialogue and compromise is the only way to go.
IF WAR EVER BROKE OUT OVER BAKASSI, IT WILL REPRESENT THE MOST FOOLISH THING BLACK AFRICA EVER DID. With all the good fight left for Africa to fight, imagine fighting over oil.
Since it is clear to everyone that this fight is about oil and not about the welfare of the people in the Bakassi region and Nigeria (through the Hausa/Fulani stooge and buffoon called Gowan) seeded the region to Cameroon in the first place, why don’t Nigeria and Cameroon just agree to share the loot from the oil in this region? It’s not like the Niger Deltains and the Bakassi people who would be caught in the crossfire will ever benefit from the oil anyway.
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Great tactical insight. But, I was referring to Eritrea's war of independence, which lasted decades (1962-1991) and ended in 1991 when Eritrean “rebels” defeated Ethiopian government forces.
After initially fighting Mengistu Haile Mariam's Ethiopian army to a stalemate, contributing to internal crisis that drove Mengistu into exile, Eritrea went on to defeat the Ethiopian army and march into Addis Ababa in 1991. At that point, they could have taken over the government of Ethiopia. But, they preferred to have their own country. Eritrea’s independence referendum was approved in 1993. There have been recent border skirmishes between Ethiopia and Eritrea. But, Ethiopia is no longer challenging Eritrea’s independence.
Back to Bakassi Peninsula, I have reason to suspect that the Hausa-Fulani army of BiafraNigeria will be traversing hostile territory on its way to the Southern parts of Cameroon, including Bakassi Peninsula. It should not be unreasonable to expect Cameroon to rout the BiafraNigerian army or inflict heavy casualties on the BiafraNigerian army in that region. In the short run, with ready military assistance from France, including the direct combat involvement of the French gendarmes already stationed in Cameroon, Cameroon should be able to take control of the Peninsula.
But, Cameroon has its own rebel movement in the Southern part of the country. The movement seeks to separate the Anglophone regions from Cameroon. Recently, the leaders of that movement were rounded up and imprisoned without trial. That rebellion could prove to be Cameroon’s Achilles hill in the event of a military conflict with BiafraNigeria.
The Bakassi Boys will certainly not want to fight alongside the Hausa-Fulani for the Peninsula, especially since there is no commonality of objectives in undertaking to fight for the territory. That is one reason that any victory that Cameroon scores, including a court victory, will be temporary. The Biafrans will do what they have to do to get back the Peninsula when they know that its resources will serve their interest.
Gowon was neither the de facto nor dejure leader of the government with jurisdiction over the Bakassi Peninsula at the time of the transaction. Thus, the purported cession of the Peninsula to Cameroon remains open to the challenges of the Biafrans who have superior claim to the territory, and who will fight for it with greater determination when the time comes.
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Nigeria Picks Holes In Cameroun's Claim To Bakassi
NIGERIA'S legal pyrotechnics was on Thursday put on display at The Hague, when it opened defence in the suit by Cameroun on the ownership of the Bakassi Peninsular.
Minister of State for Justice, Mr. Musa Elayo, who is the country's leading agent at the International Court of Justice suggested a simple solution to the dispute: Rather than the tortuous legal route that Cameroun has taken, the United Nations should raise a fact finding team to the area and collate the views of the residents.
According to Elayo, who has on his team two former Attorneys General Chief Richard Akinjide (SAN) and Alhaji Abdullahi Ibrahim (SAN) among others, the disputed area without doubt, belongs to Nigeria.
He told the court to consider the plaintiff nation's claim to the area as frivolous, given its history of hostility towards the residents.
Unlike Cameroun, Elayo spoke further, Nigeria which has historical claim to the area also has a record of taking interest in the well being of the people. He said all that Cameroun had done so far was to chop away parts of Nigeria and its people, adding that the plaintiff's posturing had caused some anxiety and disquiet within Nigeria. "Evidence shows beyond any doubt that Bakassi has always been considered in Nigeria to be a Nigerian sovereign territory and an integral part of the Federal Republic of Nigeria".
The Minister highlighted the political, cultural, historical and ethnographic ties the Nigerian population of fishermen, traders and farmers in the Bakassi Peninsula had had with Nigeria, stressing that they had been paying their taxes to Nigeria as well as enjoying education and health facilities provided by the Nigerian government.
On the off-shore maritime boundary, he noted that the gulf of guinea, which is rich in hydrocarbon and fishery resources, is an area of great importance to the world's petroleum industry.
He said the area was blessed with thousands of millions of dollar-investments for more than 40 years and had remained within Nigeria's undisputed territory, without Cameroun's objection until it brought its claims to court.
Nigeria had, after a decade of amicable and sincere negotiations, agreed to its maritime boundary with Equatorial Guinea in a treaty which according to him, refrains from extending the boundary into an area they both form "a tri-pod with Cameroun", the minister explained.
He added: "Nigeria had also negotiated, agreed and ratified a joint development zone in the area of overlapping claim with Sao Tome and Principe, and was still negotiating its maritime boundary with Benin Republic. All of this conforms to the requirements of the UN convention on the law of the sea".
Elayo argued that in contrast, Cameroun had not been known to have negotiated any of its maritime boundaries with any of its coastal neighbours, and that the country had, under bilateral contracts, also failed even to present a claim to those boundaries. "Instead, out of nowhere, Cameroun has presented the court with maritime claims that are grossly exaggerated, claims which assume that the court has jurisdiction to parcel out the area as a whole to the various gulf of guinea states".
He insisted that Cameroun had never before laid claim to the Nigerian maritime areas, where long-established oil concessions were to be found, and where oil companies had invested huge sums, stressing that both the Nigerian and Equatorial Guinean oil licences had been public knowledge for years and to which Cameroun had never protested.
Elayo also responded to the issues on the disputed areas of lake Chad, and the whole length of the land boundary from lake Chad to the Bakassi Peninsula, as well as issues of state responsibility.
He further argued that the fact that Cameroun added most of the issues in a second application, showed that it regarded them as of lesser importance than its Bakassi claim and its claim to a maritime boundary to the west of Bakassi.
Along the disputed areas of lake Chad, about 60,000 Nigerians live and work there while they still maintain their long historical, religious, ethnographic and cultural ties with their folks in Nigeria.
"Significant investments in schools, clinics, administration and infrastructure have been made by Nigeria in those towns and villages", Elayo said, adding: "Cameroun has done nothing to assist the inhabitants, in spite of its claims to sovereignty.
The minister argued that the Lake Chad Basin Commission was a multi-lateral body comprising the littoral states and the Central Africa Republic and was established to deal with issues which had remained largely unresolved.
He said Cameroun had failed to clearly define its borders, but rather relying on "generalities" and alleging that Nigeria had not accepted the treaties and instruments which established the boundary between Lake Chad and Bakassi Peninsula.
Elayo took exception at Camerounian "offensive and systematic use of inappropriate language" on Nigeria by describing the country as practising "oil imperialism" and accusing it of "imposing" a maritime boundary with Equatorial Guinea.
He also complained of Camerounian application of "invasion" and "aggression" in the conduct of Nigerian affairs.
The minister said Nigeria could not be so described, going by its antecedents in g
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