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Webmaster: Thank you for Saving Us from Ourselves
The party was doomed from the very beginning. All the angry talk in the discussion was no way to plan a happy anniversary. I think that one person with money should have planned the party. The webmaster should have closed those silly anniversary threads sooner. What do you think?
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Thanks webmaster, a right decision on the right time, it is standrd.
Folks, let us deal with one another with decency, it carry's a great price.
___________________ He likened the second coming of Christ to the realisation of the Biafran dream, stating that at a time people least expect, the much sought Biafra would be a reality..Rev. Fr. Cornelius Ezeiloaku Posts: 622 | From: santiago, chile | Registered: Jan 2002
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Congratulations! You have shown that BiafraNigeriaWorld has decisive leadership. Free speech imposes some responsibility. Out of disgust, I stopped looking at the Anniversary threads last week.
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A right step in the right direction. It was time to clean up the forum. We have to respect each other in the debates. Does this mean that people who sent money to Amanda will get their money back or will it go into the Biafra Fund?
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Amanda should return any money that she collected and we should just move on. We still have to fight for Biafra and fight the war against indiscipline. Hanging out with Adamu and angry Amanda in New Jersey has nothing to do with fighting for Biafra, and it is not what I consider a good time.
___________________ The war against indiscipline has started Posts: 16 | From: Biafra Nation | Registered: Jan 2002
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"I think that one person with money should have planned the party." --- L. Akpan
Akpan:
I disagree with that statement. The party should have been a joint effort. Otherwise, the party should be paid for by the person that wanted to have a party. In this case, it was Amanda.
She was the one that opened a thread where she asked "WILL YOU ATTEND BIAFRANIGERIA ANNIVERSARY GET-TOGETHER?" She did not ask "Will you pay for BiafraNigeria Anniversay get-together?" Then, she wanted to have the party in New Jersey, where she lives. Why should we pay for her to have a party.
I am glad that the boardmaster is taking action about the rabid insults by some members of this forum. With all the professionals in this forum, there is no reason to accept ghetto and low-class talk as dialogue. It was becoming extremely unhealthy.
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I knew this party idea was going nowhere. There is nothing more effective for dispersing a gathering of Nd’Igbo than asking them to raise funds, even if the funds will be used to save their lives. I have no doubt that if the survival of this forum depended on funds from its members, the forum would have died a long time ago. It is to the glory of God that many of us don’t even know the owner of this forum. Otherwise, some people would have tried to drag him/her down by now.
Those old Igbo Yahooligans like to pretend that they have a preference for “private forums” at Yahoo, even though they know that Yahoo forums are as open to the public as BiafraNigeriaWorld and it is more difficult to read and understand the threads at Yahoo. The main difference is that BiafraNigeriaWiorld costs money and Yahoo is free. As long as talk is free or cheap, the Igbo man will be there. One would have hoped that this condition did not extend to the so-called “Generation 1960-1970+.” I was born into that generation, but I will not call myself a member of that group until I see what this Olugbuo guy and co are all about.
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All contriburors above and more to come in like mould,
Why don't you all just quit all this I-knew-it-was-headed-nowhere prescient posturing? To the best of my knowledge, Biafra and I were the only ones singled out for annihilation. Where were your voices of reason when the fundraising thread was effectively hijacked to serve the petty purpose of Anu Nti and Biafra bashing? Not even one person spoke up even when I inspite of being bloodied continued to draw attention to the harm it was doing to the fundraising. I say this though without prejudice to the merits or otherwise of the said 2 posts and the sanctions they recieved. I had gone to bed obviously when the Americans continued in their favorite occupation of throwing mud and so didn't get to read them.
Needless of course saying that while the 2 of us endured all that upbraiding, the attackers had made no pledges whatsoever. It even got so bad that a Biafran masquerading as a Yoruba handle trivialized the death of Biafra's son. None of you spoke up and that is to your utter shame. That effectively formed a watershed from which I will have to look at all the moralizing and war cries that go on here.
In order not to make more laughing stocks out of yourselves, do spare some time and ask yourselves who indeed Eno Udo, Adamu et al., the archetypal derailers are. It would save you further embarassment in indulging in this peculiarly Nigerian (yes, Nigerian not Biafran) disgrace known as psycophancy. Its unbecoming of Biafrans just as it is ridiculous for a forumite to say in one thread that his check was on the way and promptly move to another thread to ridicule the efforts of the organizers.
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One reason why members enjoy participating at BiafraNigeriaWorld is that BiafraNigeriaWorld does not interfere with discussions. However, the effectiveness of this hands-off policy requires that forum members in turn, exhibit a certain level of propriety in their dealings with one another while they are on the forum. Earlier today, two posts in the “Roll Call for Pledges and Contributions” thread were brought to the attention of BiafraNigeriaWorld."
Those two posts violated the minimum standard and level of decency that is required of forum members. Therefore the posts have been deleted and appropriate action has been taken with regard to the members involved.
As discussion of the proposed anniversary celebration has progressed, BiafraNigeriaWorld has discovered certain irregularities. These irregularities implicate the integrity of the forum, and cannot be allowed to continue. Therefore, all threads relating to the anniversary celebration have been closed.
BiafraNigeriaWorld does not sanction this anniversary celebration. No forum member(s) are authorized to plan or implement any events in the name of BiafraNigeriaWorld or on behalf of BiafraNigeriaWorld. BiafraNigeriaWorld has not authorized any forum member(s) or groups to raise or collect funds in its name or for its benefit.
Should you, as forum member(s) wish to plan a get together to enjoy yourselves and meet one another, that is entirely within your discretion. Furthermore, such events are to be planned and funded by you, and are not the responsibility of BiafraNigeriaWorld.
BiafraNigeriaWorld."
Why this locked thread, and at this stage. In my view, BiafraNigeriaWorld administrator/s were fully aware of the proposed BNW anniversary and the funding drive. In fact they participated both "on the scene" and "behind the scene". Prove me wrong, please!
I wonder what exactly is achieved by this statement:
"BiafraNigeriaWorld does not sanction this anniversary celebration. No forum member(s) are authorized to plan or implement any events in the name of BiafraNigeriaWorld or on behalf of BiafraNigeriaWorld."
Mark my word and listen carefully, I am prepared to spend $5000.00 on legal fees to get my $500.00 back.
I know a "house of cards" when I see one.
___________________ In the Fullness of Time... Posts: 176 | From: UK | Registered: Nov 2001
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First, the thread that the Administrator started was closed because as previously enunciated, the Administrator does not participate in forum discussions. The threads discussing the Anniversary Celebration were closed because they took a tone that is detrimental to this forum. You are always free to begin another thread to discuss planning a party, so long as your plans are consistent with the Statement released yesterday by BiafraNigeriaWorld. You are also free to open a thread to discuss the money you allegedly sent to Amanda Wekson.
Second, as far as BiafraNigeriaWorld is concerned, you have two options available to you.
1) You may litigate this matter on this forum as you seem determined to do. It would certainly make for an interesting moot court. Any serious plaintiff with a viable cause of action would have immediately filed suit in court without spouting empty threats and innuendo. You purport to be an attorney and you should know this.
You glibly recite that in your view,
quote:BiafraNigeriaWorld Administrator/s were fully aware of the proposed BNW anniversary and the funding drive. In fact they participated both "on the scene" and "behind the scene". Prove me wrong, please!”
I would hope that as an attorney, you would understand that having made that allegation about “BiafraNigeriaWorld Administrators/s,” the burden of proving your statements rests solely with you to show that you personally consulted with BiafraNigeriaWorld’s Administrator before you and Amanda Wekson undertook to plan this party. BiafraNigeriaWorld does not have to prove anything to you. As a plaintiff, you will be held to this evidentiary standard. As the attorney you claim to be, you should be aware of this. You will not be permitted to erect a dubious evidentiary standard to serve your own selfish purposes.
Therefore, it is up to you to supply the name(s) of the BiafraNigeriaWorld Administrator /s with whom you personally spoke concerning this party. It is up to you to describe in detail the ways in which said Administrator/s participated with you in your planning of this party both “on the scene” and “behind the scene”. Thus, if you believe that you possess firsthand information to share with the other forum members regarding the proposed party, please feel free to share it.
2) You may sue BiafraNigeriaWorld for $500 for a party proposed by Amanda Wekson and being planned by yourself, AfricaWest, and Amanda Wekson. Feel free to sue BiafraNigeriaWorld for the same $500 that you pledged without any prompting from BiafraNigeriaWorld and which, on your own initiative, you allegedly sent to Amanda Wekson at an address provided to you by Amanda Wekson.
Incidentally, you have never furnished any proof that any such payment was actually sent to Amanda Wekson. Furthermore, Amanda Wekson has never stated on this forum that such payment was ever received by her.
If, on this basis, you determine that you have a case against BiafraNigeriaWorld for this money that you purport to have sent to Amanda Wekson, you should go to court. When you decide to go to court, send service of process using the same contact information that was provided to you when you joined BiafraNigeriaWorld MessageBoard. BiafraNigeriaWorld will see you in court.[/quote]
Third, you say that you would spend $5000 on a lawsuit? For your information, BiafraNigeriaWorld has spent far more than a mere $5000 to give you the benefit of posting your thoughts on this forum. This forum is here for members to use as they see fit, within very few limitations. However, when you use this forum for your own purposes, BiafraNigeriaWorld will not be responsible for the actions that you and other members initiate entirely of your own accord. You agreed to as much when you joined this forum.
It is disgraceful that you and whatever accomplices you may have would use this forum to further your own greed. BiafraNigeriaWorld will not permit you or anyone else to commit a fraud against the forum.
All:
Please note that BiafraNigeriaWorld will not allow AfricaWest and any cohorts he may have to force BiafraNigeriaWorld to impose restrictions on what members of this forum may discuss or do. The mere absence of any restriction from BiafraNigeriaWorld does not constitute BiafraNigeriaWorld’s approval or support for the projects that members of this forum initiate. Consistent with this, members are free to have any party with any name, including “BiafraNigeriaWorld Anniversary”, provided that it is understood that such nomenclature will not impose a burden on BiafraNigeriaWorld.
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___________________ Biafra All The Way Posts: 202 | Registered: Mar 2001
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"...No forum member(s) are authorized to plan or implement any events in the name of BiafraNigeriaWorld or on behalf of BiafraNigeriaWorld. BiafraNigeriaWorld has not authorized any forum member(s) or groups to raise or collect funds in its name or for its benefit."
Joy you wrote:
"...Consistent with this, members are free to have any party with any name, including “BiafraNigeriaWorld Anniversary”,..."
Why the inconsistency between your statement and the administrator/s statement concerning implementing events in the "name" of BiafraNigeriaWorld?
My advice to you is to go back to your client, receive complete instructions and then return.
You have done enough damage already!
___________________ In the Fullness of Time... Posts: 176 | From: UK | Registered: Nov 2001
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We are not like the generations past. As an active member of this group, I know this for a fact. Have you not heard that some of the older generations were trying to buy into this group. One Rep. Emeka Nwajiuba even flew in from Abuja to give a speech in New Jersy that he is going to be working for the interest of the younger people and not the older people, apparently trying to curry favour from the group. "Ndiigbo Generation 1960-70+" promptly issued a statement, literally denouncing that dishonourable member of the Federal House of Reps and affirming that they will not lend themselves to anyone's selfish ends.
The prize remain Biafra. This again I know for a fact. Currently the building of a Data Base of all members of the generation is in progress. You better get in touch and with your details too.
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Getting interesting. As someone once enthused, its worth paying for. I'll be there live and please no yeye moot court sesions, the real thing or nothing! Five hundred blooming dollars and all the dogo turenchi on top! Kai!
AfricaWest, if na me, I no go gree. For what? Odi egwu really, American wonder.
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AfricaWest: When you say you would be spending $5,000 in legal fees in order to get your "$500" back, who then would be the loser? Amanda Wekson never told this forum or acknowledged receipt of your "$500."
___________________ Yvette Richardson Posts: 106 | From: St. Paul, MN., USA | Registered: Jun 2001
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The sentence “No forum member(s) are authorized to plan or implement any events in the name of BiafraNigeriaWorld or on behalf of BiafraNigeriaWorld” clearly means that BiafraNigeriaWorld has not given authority to any member of this forum to act in its name as far as the party is concerned.
However, members are free to use any name that they decide to use for the party. For all that matters, you can call it “White House Anniversary”, “World Anniversary”, “BiafraNigeriaWorld Anniversary”, or whatever else you choose, as long as it is clear that you do not therefore claim that BiafraNigeriaWorld authorized you to do it.
If you still have any confusion about these statements, you should take what I have written as clarification, because I am a lawyer and the Administrator of BiafraNigeriaWorld is not.
If you have a case to make that you were authorized by the Administrator of BiafraNigeriaWorld to plan this party, make that case now or shut up.
Any damage that has been done here has been done by you. You are clearly here to destroy and I will stop you.
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While you are at it, answer the very pointed and simple question that has been posed to you by Ezeka. Are you attacking and threatening to sue BiafraNigeriaWorld because Amanda Wekson has refused to return your $500?
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This is becoming typical of Shakespearean acts where the lies and gimmicks transcends the opening act. AfricaWest came in here fired and in high spirit showing off his wealth learning about the glamoring star Amanda Wekson. $500 to impress Wekson is a piece of cake. I wont even bother going to court If I were you.
___________________ "We are where we are in large part at the moment, because our self-identified leaders of thought have put us there."----Ukpabi Asika Posts: 321 | From: Athens, Ohio USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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I could write a book on this: AfricaWest comes in fuming. Naturally as he is living in the UK, he wakes up first and that buys him some psychological advantage, but really? America wakes up and Joy bares her fangs. The wadded AfricaWest reverts to adjusting his tie, belt, neck collar and ultimately relapses into a fit of cough. Haba, you no be lawyer again? Fire for fire, gi'am! After all, who talk say Queen's Counsel dey inferior to the ubiquitious 3-for-a-penny attorneys that Uncle Sam continues to spurn?
In the unfolding drama, even Yvette has shown up and as if that is not enough Ugali Shaga has come calling. No word yet from Amanda. In the fullnes of time .........
"You are clearly here to destroy and I will stop you."
You have returned too quickly in my opinion.
You have your mission mapped out for you. My aim remains recovering the money I committed to the BNW First Anniversary and nothing will stop me either. Choose your approach and I will choose mine.
Also, you wrote: While you are at it, answer the very pointed and simple question that has been posed to you by Ezeka. Are you attacking and threatening to sue BiafraNigeriaWorld because Amanda Wekson has refused to return your $500?
My response here has to be very measured here and therefore a rhetorical question at this stage, perhaps, is more appropriate: What is the question behind your question? You see, in my book you have skipped a question or two. Questions you need answers to, perhaps, your client/adminitrator/s can explain what s/he mean't by the following:
"....and appropriate action has been taken with regard to the members involved." While knowing fully well my "alleged" contribution may be affected by his/her actions.
Better still, combine approaches:(i) ask him/her what "appropriate actions" were taken and then, (ii) invite Amanda to speak for herself!
___________________ In the Fullness of Time... Posts: 176 | From: UK | Registered: Nov 2001
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You are talking about American lawyers and I am saying that AfricaWest is a British lawyer. In any case, what's the difference between a barrister and an advocate. Sorry, I am not a lawyer, which seems to be the LCM. We continue to learn by the day.
AfricaWest, Below is the full paragraph from which you took one of your quotes:
quote: Those two posts violated the minimum standard and level of decency that is required of forum members. Therefore the posts have been deleted and appropriate action has been taken with regard to the members involved.
Methinks (and I am not a lawyer/advocate/barrister/counsel/attorney) that the Administrator was referring to posts on the message board, not financial contributions.
And why AfricaWest, have you already started postscripting your own 500 greenbacks as "alleged" contribution? Goes to underscore the ephemeral nature of the internet. We continue to learn by the day.
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It is very unfortunate that this is taking this turn. Call me naive but I hate when something that last week I was looking forward to, is turning this way.
Anu Nti, I just do not get your jubilation at this. Do you take pleasure when things are not so good?
quote:Whether the egg crashes on the coconut or the coconut crashes on the egg, it is the egg that suffers.
an old saying.
___________________ Feel me? Ofu onye ana asi unu abia go. - Ednut Igbo-American . www.airamericaradio.com visit her. Posts: 2447 | From: Mother Earth | Registered: Mar 2001
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quote: Those old Igbo Yahooligans like to pretend that they have a preference for “private forums” at Yahoo, even though they know that Yahoo forums are as open to the public as BiafraNigeriaWorld and it is more difficult to read and understand the threads at Yahoo. The main difference is that BiafraNigeriaWiorld costs money and Yahoo is free. As long as talk is free or cheap, the Igbo man will be there. One would have hoped that this condition did not extend to the so-called “Generation 1960-1970+.” I was born into that generation, but I will not call myself a member of that group until I see what this Olugbuo guy and co are all about.
Dr B, The generation of Ndi'gbo 1960- 1970+ stands for a sovereign state of Biafra nothing less,this is my generation, our work is the total mobilisation and awakening of our age.we have decided to take our destinies in our own hands and the state of Biafra will be our price, with this resolve no doubt the world has no option than to understand that there will be no compromise on the issue of Biafra. This group is for all of us, while we talk, let us back our words with action by joining the Ndi'igbo generation 1960-1970+.
To achieve Biafra all hands most be on desk, ideas most be presented and delibrated upon and actions on any aggred move,also efforts and sacrifice most be made by all. This is our fight and and we have what it takes to win this fight, Mr B, let us join hands together to win this fight, we have arrived to the much awaited action time and every memeber of my generation is called upon. Chukwu gozie Biafra!!!
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Ednut, You fail to get it, hm? Apparently all those pledges and my-check-is-in-the-mail were no more than 419 yarns. If that were not the case, where is the outrage? Amanda had nothing to work with, QED. She was led along and that smacks of abject lack of integrity. Wherein lies the "say it as it is"? When are you asking for your own refund, BTW or you cannot afford an advocate's fee?
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