Today, Dick Cheney, George Bush, and John Ashcroft are free to disregard the law. They are free to arrest you, label you an "Enemy Combatant," and before you can say "I need a lawyer" they transfer you to military interrogators and lock you away.
My friends, that is not America. George W is taking us to McCarthyism all over again, and the gang in the White House, the Justice Department, and the Defense Department have brought back McCarthyism to America in full force and with all its extra-judicial horror.
I am highly suspicious that whenever there is a negative scandal implicating this president and his administration, all of a sudden, and out of nowhere, he discovers some heretofore unknown terrorist, usually with an Arab-sounding name.
So it was with all the Anthrax nonsense after Bush was caught hiding in an Omaha bunker. So it was and is with all these dubious "threats," and so now it is with the arrest of Al Mujahir- the purported "dirty Bomber," following reports that Bush and his administration were sleeping on the job and ignored pre-September 11 warnings.
George Bush is holding America to a terror blackmail. No civil libertarian can tolerate this. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and their lawyers, and indeed all lovers of freedom, must use the courts to stop this un-popularly selected president from ruining our civil liberties.
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America is at war except that this is a different kind of war. The constitution has not changed, still relatively the same. However, the 6th, 8th and 1st Amendment has to be compromized until this war is won. We should be loose in our definition of civil liberty at the time of war. Your book definition of civil liberty still apply but better you loosen up. You should be content that the constitution has not been suspended. This is war. The Jihads asked for it and we gotta pay the prize. America is an open society and the Jihads are opportunistic hoodlums with no sense of what liberty means to you and I. They want you to appease Islam.
A terrorist is defined as a human being with no concious. He is a cerebral assassin. He is not a soldier, wears no uniform, no serial number, has no command post and has no country.He is homicidal, sucidal and a coward. POW according to United nation charter does not apply but what applies is humane treatment under the law. These people are bunch of loose screw islamic Jihads whose goal is to cause destruction, mayhem, insult your freedom and take away your complete liberty to practice law. Fumi, they are enemy of the state and the 6th amendment and the right for speedy trial should not apply.
The enemy is unknown to you and I. But we know they are predominantly from the middle east and will eventually come as American born, Nigerian north, converts and Asians.
The President will have to do anything reasonably necessary to protect you and other Americans. Please note I said reasonably. Although the President cannot extinguish Aikada but we are willing to relinquish some right to contain this terrorist. Even if it means search and seizure with no warrant, or racial profiling. Freedom must be protected.
Hail Biafra
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An unfocused war on terrorism should not provide cover for the courts of this land to permit the president to so blithely strip a suspect’s constitutional rights on the basis of what is now clearly the fortuity that the suspect happens to have Arab links.
In spite of numerous post-trial judicial assaults on the Fifth Amendment Right to Counsel, a la Teague v. Lane and its progeny, the Fifth Amendment” of the United States Constitution bars law-enforcement-initiated interrogation following a suspect’s request for counsel; it further bars such interrogation following a suspect’s request for counsel in the context of a separate inquiry or investigation.
A danger in failing to condemn these attacks on established civil liberties is that Bush and his successors in office would proceed apace to violate the very vestiges of those freedoms. Equally troubling about these executive undertakings is that, in spite of the US Attorney General’s claims, the executive branch has indeed proceeded outside the logical compass of judicial precedents, with the executive branch citing the “we are in a war” excuse.
The “we are in a war” excuse is unpersuasive because war itself has provided the best legal test of the resilience of the US Constitution, particularly in the highly relevant area of Habeas Corpus. There, again, even Abraham Lincoln in the face of a total war realized that it was intolerable to the citizens of his country that the difference between a suspect’s access to constitutionally protected rights and a deprivation of those rights should turn on the president’s declaration that the suspect is an “enemy combatant” – a declaration process evidently clouded (at least in the case of this “war on terror”) by the president’s prejudices as to the suspect’s national origin.
Let us win the war against terror. But, let us preserve the very basis for declaring ourselves different from the enemy.
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1. There must be some tempering of your liberty with delibrate machinery in order for you to fucntion as an open society. A temporary measure, I must add.
2.To suppose that your civil or First Amendment and 6th amendment are secure because they are cemented in the constitution is a mistake of reality. All amendments are subject to change in times of crisis without complete violation of your rights. This change is only temporary because of the sign of the times.
3.The chief enemy of our First amendment has come to be likened with terrorists and whose aim is to suspend all the amendments, therefore we must marshal out special circumstances to certain suspect so as to retain our values.
4.You cannot maintain liberty when the captive is terror. We must substitute and make changes to fense our way of life. Most Americans are willing to give up something to protect their liberty. Are you any different? Your airport security is one example. If you think times have not changed think again. In 1979, a small town in Kansas, the word Jihad means nothing. Today in Independence Kansas, you get hung, I mean they will hang you high. I don't like it but it is human nature and reactionary justice due to 9/11.
I hope my summery shades some light to those people like Ed/Nut who prefer to equate me as an extremist. The title some have come to liken me with.I wonder whatever happens to my liberty to state the facts based on the times.
By the way Ed/Nut, Rush Limberg is an exquisite Radio talk show host. Your right, I listen to him every day. I find him to be intellectually stimulating and very factual. Now you know.
Hail Biafra
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This is a case of "wag the dog" wag the terror.
George Bush believes that he has found a cure for his sagging popularity - manipulate terrorist scare for a political advantage. It will boomerang on him politically. Americans are not as stupid as Bush and Cheney believe them to be.
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I am not surprised b/c everything you wrote up there was a regurgitation of what Mr. Limberg teaches to his Institute students. I don't see him in the same light as you do. To me, he is just an actor playing a part since his people write his scripts and do all the research for him.
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I sense the reasoning of a democrat and a bleeding libral blended. If you watched the news this evening on your libral CBS station, 75 percent of Americans are willing to bend over their liberty for security.
You really don't get it that the constitution is a living language, subject to change and backed by the people. If 75 percent of Americans are willing to compromize their liberty in time of war, then congress and George W have my blessings.This country is vulnerable due to it's open book society and terrorist/combatants must be extinguished for a free society to function. The 6th Amendment does not apply to Aikada. Get it?
Hail Biafra
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This is Abdullah al-Muhajir (a.k.a. Jose Padilla)
His lawyer has confirmed that he is being detained without time limit, or the right to counsel. That is against the Constitution of the United States.
Attorney General John Ashcroft knows quite well that he lacks evidence; at least, Ashcroft lacks evidence that can stand up to proper judicial scrutiny. That is why he hurriedly sought to classify Mr. Muhajir as an "enemy combatant." The law is clear. If you do not have the evidence to hold a citizen, you must release him from detention.
John Ashcroft tells us that he has a precedent for this brazen illegality. For this he refers us to Adolf Hitler and the landing of illegals off the shores of New York during WWII. An Attorney General should know that democracies should be cautious about invoking Hitler to support a democratic theory.
As for you, WayPoint1Biafra:
The day you show up at a US airport and you are arrested and handed over to a bunch of rowdy soldiers because you have an Arab (sorry African) accent and nappy hair, that is the when you will wake up from your dreamy lack of comprehension.
If you think that the emotions of a temporary majority should be enough to change the Constitution of the United States, then, I say to you, we have nothing to discuss.
Ride on into your dreamy world of ignorance. When a civilian Attorney General decides that a military tribunal is the best place to try a US citizen, he arouses my suspicion. Ashcroft knows he does not have much of a case. That is why he prefers the secrecy of a military tribunal to the openness of a criminal court.
The Constitution of the United States is designed to thwart the desires of temporary majorities, such as the mob that seeks to detain Jose Padilla without trial.
You should recall that the same principle that A TEMPORARY MAJORITY SHOULD NOT SWAY THE CONSTITUTION was applied to elect George W president, even though he lost the majority vote in the 2000 election. I submit to you that Padilla's rights are more important than tolerating George W for a temporary period of 4-years in the White House.
P/S: The FIFTH and SIXTH Amendment rights to counsel are some of the features that set the US Constitution apart from the constitutions of backward countries such as your country, Nigeria. I am disgusted that you would be so quick to support people who are trying to suspend key aspects of the US Constitution in the name of "fighting terrorism". Your stance is against the Biafran spirit.
In violation of the Fithth Amendment Right to Counsel, George W is injecting people with drugs to force them to confess to things that they may not have done.
How do we know that the testimony that led to Abdullah al-Muhajir's arrest was not drug-induced? It is a matter of public record that the Guantanamo Bay al-Qaeda/taliban inmates were drugged and forced to testify against their will. When you disregard the Constitution, you tear the fabric that holds this country together.
BTW, I don't put much weight on what some Republican pollster has to say about American public opinion. I dispute your 75% figure, especially because you have also failed to supply a source for that data.
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It is rather silly to equate a citizen or resident alien with enemy combatant.
ENEMY COMBATANT: An individual, group or moslem fanatics affilliated to dirty army singled out as enemy of the state for special treatment due to special circumstances. The First Amendment, 6th and 18th does not apply. They will be tried in a civil court but seen as valuable tool for collection of data by the military. Remember none has been tried under the military law.
CITIZEN/RESIDENT ALIEN: Person, persons or group whose right is protected and guaranteed under the uniform law. All the amendment applies.Here nothing has changed but if you switch then God save yur soul.
Hail Biafra
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Fumi, It appears we do not have to agree on who fits the profile of Enemy combatant. I certainly, do not have to agree with anyone else whose short circuit or infinite knowledge of the law is blinded by civil right over security. However I sense that we agree that Padilla, Moussaiui and John Walker are belligerent/enemy of the state. They are the product of Aikada, an extension of ungratful wickedness.
However, our disagreement is that the government should accord them same right as Joe Blow. Your dead wrong. You don't think the government is right to try them in a Fedral court and you have not been able to tell us which court is right for them. My only bone of contention with this government, is that Goerge W has not asked congress for a declaration of war? otherwise we should not be in discuss of the term Enemy combatant and who fits the profile and what court to be tried. I would only insinuate that the declaration of war will invoke the UN policies on POW and therefore set the combatant free. We don't wana see them on the Pensylvania Ave. No way, that is too dangerous.
Enemy Combatant to me is a legal brilliance, a land mark case, the government ability to be broadminded to protect your security. This term was developed because the government hands were tied on Zaccaria Mousaoui, a civilian. The government could not try him in a military court. To maximize their effort against him and future belligerents, the term became acceptable to great legal scholars and propably the most legal defensive/offensive tool against a civilian, citizen soldier of foreign base since the Japanese were hounded like wet pecks.How creative can you be? Providence would be proud of this government.
The government cannot place them in a concentration camp, try them in the military court or torture them. The government has no choice than to declare them as belligerent/enemy combatant making it a federal case. They would be detained by the military for collection of data then tried in the federal court for possible life or death penalty. They will still retain some rights with an average Joe Blow. Zaccaria Moussaoui was given a precious right but revoked his 6th amendment right to counsel. How stupid....only in America that such right exist to a belligerent even in the time of war. Your country of origin will rather tell you to 'Shut up' or go to hell"
Fumi, you should know that of all evils to your public and personal liberty, Enemy Combatant/Belligerent is perhaps the most to be dreaded. Because not only do they come as disgruntled citizens, their command post is in foreign land. They are driven by ideology of monstrous hate, unspeakable acts of violence fueled with religiosity and death to the infidel. How many of you guys with eloquence on how the due process works would like these guys set free in your neighborhood because the government over simplified their crimes? none. And how many Universities or groups are protesting the governments undue legal treatment to them. I say, none.
While I applaud each and everyone of you for your inalienable right to protest or speak out against injustice, your certainly out of order in this case. Try again.
Hail Biafra
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It is good that you are trying to bring out the other side of this debate. You must recall reading the following from my post last Wednesday, June 12, 2002.
quote:The day you show up at a US airport and you are arrested and handed over to a bunch of rowdy soldiers because you have an Arab (sorry African) accent and nappy hair, that is when you will wake up from your dreamy lack of comprehension.
It appears that while I was writing that, an Igbo was living a version of that experience, not at an airport, but in a US courtroom in New Jersey. The following came in my e-mail a little while ago. Check out how this Igbo guy almost became an “Enemy Combatant” Read on
quote:An Interesting Time to Be in America
By Ndiribe A. A. Ndiribe
Suppose you meet an imaginary American from the suburbs, affluent and frightened, and then in course of a friendly conversation the question of security of America arises.
“They hate us” she says, “all of them, very envious of our power, and prestige, and wealth, and fame …” You smile and say to her “ma’am, I don’t think anyone hates America”
“You mean nobody hates America? You mean nobody hates us for our money. You mean nobody hates us for what America stands for. You mean nobody hates us for our love of freedom? You mean nobody hates us for our love of democracy? You mean nobody envies us as the only remaining superpower in the world? Tell me seriously, you mean all those Iranians don’t hate us? You mean all those Iraqis like us? You mean all those North Koreans, and Chinese, and Somalians, and Sudanese, and Yemenis, and Libyans, and Cubans, and Egyptians, and Saudi Arabians, and Kuwaitis, and Pakistanis, and Afghanis and Moroccans, and Malaysians, and Colombians, and Venezuelans, and Mexicans, and Algerians, and Tunisians, and Turkish, and Indonesians, and Philippinos, and Burmese, and Argentians, and Africans (she thinks Africa is a country)? You mean none of these hates America? Did you see the attack on the twin towers? And the Pentagon? And the loss of more than three thousand lives? And you still say that nobody hates America? Then you really hate America. Yes, you are the real enemy.”
Angrily she walks away and soon fishes a cellular phone out of her handbag. She makes a call. To whom? Of course to the FBI (the Federal Bureau of Investigation). She has found another enemy of America. She has found another potential threat to America. She has found a potential terrorist.
This little drama shows that America doesn’t want to know that she is loved. American leaders want to believe America is hated. And President Bush said, Either you are with us or you are against us” Either you believe with these Americans that America is hated or you are the real enemy for preaching that America is actually loved. As a matter of fact, this is what the British Council found on its recent survey of Arab Moslem youths. I made the same argument in September/October 2001. If ou still don’t believe me, ask Brian Lehrer of WNYC Radio in New York. Sometimes I ask myself what life will be like if one morning Americans wake up and their leaders stop telling them that they are the most hated creatures on earth.
Before I go any further, let me narrate an experience I had this past Wednesday 12 June. I had gone to the Hoboken Municipal Court (New Jersey) for reasons I will fully describe in a future article. I walked into the courtroom and sat down. I soon noticed a flurry of activities. Soon a gun trotting orderly emerged where there had been none. An FBI agent soon stood very close to the wall. As if all these were not enough, the trial judge, a young woman, left the bench in perceptible haste. She was running, without the usual grace with which the judge leaves the courtroom.
Earlier on when I arrived at the court, I had noticed a young boy of about seven years leave the judge’s chambers. Although it crossed my mind that this might be the judge’s son, I did not make anything out of it. So when the judge began to run, I looked and saw her quickly evacuate her son from the building. Either the building was at the risk of imminent collapse or something very catastrophic was about to happen.
We waited for about fifteen minutes before the judge returned after removing her son. As a woman sitting to my left commented, ”this is ridiculous”. I agreed with her.
What was the cause of this commotion? My presence in that courtroom! I have been branded a threat to America. I am now the enemy of American people, ready to do them the most harm at the least opportunity. This woman was therefore trying to save her son from “a really bad guy”, to use the words of president Bush and that “really bad guy” is me. For advising that America should not use violence to solve acts of violence, I have been blacklisted. I was furious but this goes to show the mindset of the people we are dealing with.
So in addition to the Lebanese, the Sudanese, the Saudi Arabians, the Egyptians, the Palestinians, the Kuwaitis, the Iranians, the Moroccans, the British, the North Koreans, the Russians, the Libyans, and the list goes on, America has one more enemy; the Nigerians (for I am a Nigerian). Please tell me, where does silliness end and stupidity begin? When does stupidity become absurdity?
I have come to accept that prominence comes with some collateral cost. I have come to accept official eavesdropping into my conversations, the stealing of my mails, the surreptitious investigation of my dwelling place in the name of broken pipes and so on and so forth, as part of the cost of owning public opinion. That the FBI has a file on me (file # 388,99-- -- -- ) does not bother me because that is part of nature here. There is a file on Martin Luther King. There is a file on John F. Kennedy. There is a file on Frank Sinatra. There is one on Malcolm X, as there is on Albert Einstein, Paul Robeson, Mohamed Ali, Nelson Mandela and every known leader in the world today from the Pope to the Queen. As you can see, my number is almost four million. Isn’t that a large number of people? So if these people still live their lives fully aware of the shadows, I always tell myself, why not me?
But to think that of all people, I am going around trying to blow up a municipal court is the height of paranoia impelled by astonishing ignorance. You will be tempted to ask: “Do you mean Americans, all Americans, are ignorant? My answer is unqualified NO. I have seen in this country the best of the human person. I have seen in this country, people whose heads and heart work together. I have met in this country, in course of my daily routine some of the finest and most dignified men and women of all races. I have met in this country some of the most responsible men and women God deigned to create. In America, I have met men and women who have the courage to say no to the reckless use of position or privilege. I will give you some examples right away.
In 2000, I came across a cabal that was extorting money from poor minorities in real estate transactions. This cabal comprised of some of the richest law firms in my state (New Jersey), court officers and even judges. I brought this matter to the attention of the relevant authorities in New Jersey.
The ‘cover office was closed won, and the cabal was broken. The judges involved were sanctioned and the supreme court of New Jersey developed new canons of professional ethics for all judges in the State. The system has been working fairly well ever since. Am I now to condemn these public officers or these poor victims of the cabal simply because they are Americans? That will amount to stupidity embracing ignorance.
When Governor Davis of California felt that energy companies were gauching his people, he complained aloud. But instead of ears he got boos. He was the ignorant person who did not know what he was talking about. That was almost two years ago. Today we know better. We know that Governor Davis knew what he was saying. Price fixing and scamming have become public knowledge in the energy sector. Should I now condemn Governor Davis and the good people of California simply because they are Americans?
Move to predatory lending. I was one of the first persons in this country to observe that the poor black and minority families are losing their homes in great number because of predatory lending. Today governments at federal, state and local government levels are making efforts to protect the general public from these crooks. Am I now to blame these honorable men and women who are doing the best for the poor and exploited, simply because they are Americans?
Questionable accounting practices? The world knows my views about this because in April of last year I said it loud and clear at a UN sponsored conference. That was long before the Enron debacle. Does every American work for Arthur Anderson? Should I castigate even those employees of Enron who lost their lives’ savings in its bankruptcy?
Don’t think that I’m alone in the company of the harried and heckled. Consider the current director of the FBI, Mr. Bob Mueller. If you were in his position and are being made to look so incompetent and unorganized before the world, how would you feel? This is a man who began his job seven days before the September 11 carnage, who is now treated as a lazy person who could not see through the glass wall. I don’t know what his personal situation is, but he will be agonizing daily over this calculated blackmail.
And for every Ndiribe and Robert Mueller, there are tens of thousand of ordinary Americans who are being intimidated and dragged along by a small, morbid cabal. I know many Germans who have been forced to changed their names because there is a strong interest in branding every German a Nazist or a Nazi sympathizer. Neither Italians nor Irish are faring better. The situation is really getting sad and sordid. The Catholic church knows too well the political origins of its current travails.
So who is behind this politics of blackmail, intimidation and smear campaign? Sure, America needs more analysts. So test your skills in analysis. Pull a piece of paper and write down the names of the CEOs, CFO, COO, Treasurers and major decision-makers for such companies as Enron, Dynergy, Arthur Anderson, Xerox, Merrill Lynch, etc. Write down the names of the managers of some of the most important predatory lending companies in the United States.
Write down the names of the principal officers of those involved in real estate fraud and the names of those financial analysts that give strong buy rating to junk stocks. Write down the names of the principal officers of most of the companies that have filed for bankruptcy since 1999. Find out what they have in common and you would have started your journey in real analytical thinking.
Don’t stop here. Find out about key decision makers in many of the agencies and see what they have in common with the group you have just identified. You will now understand why the federal Government is in such a state of legal conundrum. You will now understand the remote sources of these ‘illegal’ laws. Remember that the judges that were part of a racket in New Jersey were using their positions to protect a cabal while pretending that they were protecting the public. They seemed holier than the Pope!
That is what is happening now at a grander level. You can also see why we cannot blame Ashcroft, or President Bush or Donald Rumsfeld. These people are too far-removed to see and feel the game being played by this cabal.
Become (for a moment) a student of history and start looking for explanations. Look at what the Protocol has to say. (protocol Number 10, paras 16&17)
16. “The president will, at our discretion, interpret the sense of such of the existing laws as admit of various interpretation; he will further annul them when we indicate to him the necessity to do so, besides this, he will have the right to propose temporary laws, and even new departures in the government constitutional working, the pretext both for the one and the other being the requirements for the supreme welfare of the State.
17. By such measure we shall obtain the power of destroying little by little, step by step, all that at the outset when we enter on our rights, we are compelled to introduce into the constitutions of States to prepare for the transition to an imperceptible abolition of every kind of constitution, and then the time is come to turn every form of government into OUR DESPOTISM.(emphasis in original) ” There are crooks in every race. There are crooks in Africa. There are crooks in Asia. We have blacks who abuse the system and we condemn them. We have whites who abuse the system, and fellow whites condemn them. What appears different is that amongst some Jewish people, the mere criticism of the crooks amongst them is seen as anti-semitism.
There is nothing anti-semitic about observing that some Jews fall into the same category as some blacks or whites. Even the Torah recognizes that there could be ‘bad people’ amongst Jews. Respectable Jewish leaders are beginning to question the image these crooks create for fellow Jews, the same way Africans battle the bad image African scammers create about Africans worldwide.
Finally, this brood of robbers anchor themselves in the Middle East conflict. They tend to pretend that they support the State of Israel and so whoever criticizes them is therefore against the State of Israel. This is simply nonsense. I support the State of Israel and have been working tirelessly for peace in that sacred part of the globe.
Mayor Ed Koch supports the State of Israel but doesn’t go to rob a bank in order to show his support. Support for Israel should not be a cover for unethical behavior, much of which has nothing to do with Israel. What is the correlation between gambling with depositors’ money and the State of Israel?
You will notice that I have not mentioned Al Qaedda once in this article. This is because the term has become a term for blackmail. It is no longer the real word for a real group intent at attacking civilized world. It is now a tool in the hands of some people and their protectors for blackmailing dissidents.
Whenever I hear the word ‘al quaedda operative’ I translate it to mean ‘this is a person the cabal does not like’ and must be dealt with in an extra-judicial manner. The term is synonymous with “We don’t want to explain why we are maltreating him”
Americans and others living in America must understand that this tactic is not new. It is used all over the word by despots and tyrants. Anything could be done in the name of national security as the protocol quoted above clearly articulates. What is different and sometimes baffling to some of us is that a nation with a shining history of ferocious defense of freedom should succumb to such a ploy.
Again this is because many of us fail to do our job as keepers of tradition.
In Giles v Maryland 386 U.S 83(1963) Mr. Justice Fortas made the point about secret evidence as follows: “A criminal trial is not a game in which the State’s function is to outwit and entrap it’s quarry. The State’s pursuit is justice not victim. If it has in its exclusive possession specific concrete evidence … which may exonerate the defendant or be of material importance to the defense—regardless of whether it relates to the testimony which the State has caused to be given at trial—the State is obliged to bring it to the attention of the Court and the defense”
I hope the above settles the wrong-headed argument on secret evidence.
I want us to recognize that there are two groups of aliens in this country; those fleeing justice and those fleeing oppression. Some of the people in the latter group are not here because they cannot be presidents, ministers, governors, commissioners, directors etc in their home countries thereby having powers over the life, limbs and liberty of other people. They are here because they value freedom more than power, liberty more than wealth, and justice more than creature comfort.
Therefore to see America decay to the same level of ‘extra-judicial’ lawlessness is very painful. Of course I am going to challenge these faceless people to prove their case. Meanwhile my petition to the Director of the FBI, the Attorney General and other key government officials is already on its way.
Finally, let us return to the question of security for Americans and other citizens wherever they are. I am convinced that common criminals will continue to use focr and violence in order to prosecute their narrow ambitions. But the solution is not one nation rising against the other, nor the polemic of the clash of cultures.
The solution, I am persuaded to believe is that good men and women wherever they may be rally together to manage the forces of evil. It cannot be done any other way. Let the builder’s continue to build and the destroyers continue to attempt to destroy. I am confident that ultimately, good will overcome evil. This is why I have always chosen to be a builder not a destroyer. In Light and Peace Ndiribe A. A. Ndiribe
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LawGuild..Here is a short SUMMERY of what your saying.
America is at war and there is the psychological nightmare of 9/11. We have become panic driven due to enemy combatants. All citizens and resident alien should be careful what they do or say. This war is for both combatant and noncombatant. Either you defend the country you call your own or choose your life a living hell via governmental intrusion. Freedom of speech /association still apply but whom you associate with and what you say, where you said it and when it was said will definitely make your life a living hell because we are at war against Aikada. Our lives would never be the same.The pathology of 9/11 will remain with us until freedom is assured. This is the essence of war declared on America. This is what I make of your article. Thanks for the clerification.
Hail Biafra
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quote:And how many Universities or groups are protesting the governments undue legal treatment to them. I say, none.
From the link that Fumi gave, Prof. Douglas Cassel, director of the Center for International Human Rights at Northwestern University Law School, thinks that Padilla should be treated as a suspected criminal. He says,
quote:Charges should be brought, a trial should be scheduled, and he should be allowed to see a lawyer. "They're maintaining they can hold him for the duration of the war on terror — which could easily be years, or even decades — without ever charging him with a crime."
You must have overlooked what Professor Cassel had to say.
There are many more people speaking out about this than you think.
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Folanke is in the picture.It seems like ages since we heard from you. Someone must have snatched your slit to make you blush.
Well my dear, I believe the appropriate word is assessment not analysis by the FBI. In the field of behavioral studies/law, you assess first [finding] then you analyze. It is in that sequence. I hope I made myself clear on that.
LawGuild. My bad, I was rudely interrupted.
"No universities are protesting against the government over undue legal treatment to Padilla" You mentioned the professor from Northwestern University. I believe I meant no universities [Students] as in such models against aparthied in South Africa, the protest against Isreali occupation of West Bank. And no ethnic group has assumed the Selma Alabama style of activism. Again no university has demonstrated against the government. The professor is a single individual and does not constitute a body or group. He sounded more like a defense Attorney than an activist.
Trail for Padilla:
Any body who knows how the criminal justice system works in this country will tell you that there is no guarantee of equal right under the law at least on a case by case basis and there is no time table a person could be tried in any court of law. Thats reality my friend. I expect you to know that with such an exquisite screen name[LawGuild].
The right for speedy trial in the constitution sets no time table or number of days one could be tried. You could be tried 6 months to a year. I believe Padilla was in jail in Florida for one year before his case was brought to trial and he was free for term served? .
RIGHT TO ATTORNEY:The right to an Attorney is not an automatic gesture. The 6th amendment applies, but there is a process before a public defendant is assigned, in most cases delay is caused by lack of competent public defender and money.
CHARGES:
The government is not in a hurry to file charges against Padilla, the bottom line is that he is not in your neighborhood. Charges would be filed after the military has collected some data from him. But bear in mind he is Enemy Combatant, the rule of law is exclusionary. I expect you to know that. I hope I responded to you with clerity.