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"People hold diverse, sometimes unacceptable, views for many different reasons. Making sweeping statements about people’s intellect because they hold an opposing view is inappropriate. It creates the impression one is ignorant of prevailing classificatory systems or specific criteria required to make such an assumption. Or, it may be another sign of right wing intolerance which got America into this muddle to start with."
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WayPoint 1:
You should read this piece of advice, chew and sleep on it. Your tendency to use strong words against people who hold a divergent opinion from you is really worrying. And to think that you are involved in the "helping" profession. You are the only psychologist/counselor I know who is so quick to diagnose people you have never met. Take it easy. It is one thing to hold strong opinion and it is another to be downright rude.
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Yes you don't give a damn because you are more Bush than George W, let me remind you that real war is never fought on the web, television cameras and pages of newspaper, it is fight of real men and women with lethal weapons. in the case of this particular aggression, it is evident that the combatants are your fellow "African Americans", the hispanics with few poor whites to make up the number, waypointoneB. if you're such a patriot American as you claim, what are you still doing there? is it not time for you to enlist into the army and move down to Iraq, maybe you will be lucky enough to be among those taken prisoner by Saddam Hussein.
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Call me phenomenally unclassy, ruthlessly uncaring devillish. I know one thing though, I am very delightful.
173rd Airborne in Northern Iraq, America's bad boy army to the bone since Vietnam. It never get any better. Shaka Zulu and true Biafran soldiers would be proud of these soldiers.
Note: A US Marine Lance Cpl, Marcco Ware, from Los Angeles, carried an injured Iraqi soldier after he was shot three times during an attempted ambush of the 3rd Battalion. If that is not a civilized army, what else is it? Even Iraqi or the bastardized Nigerian army who prey on innocent civilians would not accord same treatment to it's citizens.
Hail Biafra
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Quotes: -------------------------------------------------- Or, it may be another sign of right wing intolerance which got America into this muddle to start with.--CSE --------------------------------------------------
When I told you guys that this fellow is Louis Farakhann type of American (though on the flip-side of the so-called "Christian right") so must be STOPPED BY ALL MEANS before he brings every blackman/woman (be they American or African) into disrepute, many did not believe me. Now it has become MANIFEST
--------------------------------------------------You are the only psychologist/counselor I know who is so quick to diagnose people you have never met. Take it easy. It is one thing to hold strong opinion and it is another to be downright rude.--Benbella --------------------------------------------------
When you guys were giving the cyber nomination of "psycho analyst" to this SELF-PROFFESSED "Psychologist," I couldn't help than to come out to tell you guys that in my opinion (from his WACKY posts), that this guy is THE WORST in ALL categories. For example, what a "counsellor" worth taking serious would be quick to through insults at the people he should be counselling/advicing with KIND WORDS?
-------------------------------------------------- Yes you don't give a damn because you are more Bush than George W, let me remind you that real war is never fought on the web, television cameras and pages of newspaper, it is fight of real men and women with lethal weapons.---Okwy. --------------------------------------------------
Welcome to my world! when you joined this guy whom I'm sure never tested war (practically) to call for a "war" against the north (nothing wrong with that except that the REASONS and the PERSONALITIES are QUESTIONABLE), I did caution those of you who have ears. Because NO ONE who partook in the Biafra-Nigeria war (or any conventional war for that matter) would be quick to call for blood as this fellow did and still does. Honestly, by his ILL-INFORMED analyses of Nigerian history and affairs, I am beginning to believe that this guy DID NOT FIGHT ANY WAR IN NIGERIA (including the Biafran war).
-------------------------------------------------- Classless and don't even know it.---Ednut --------------------------------------------------
He surely has "class." Sadly that class is in the EVER DWINDLY school of those who tought they can use BULLING, VUGARITY and INTIMIDATIOn to either force people into their BIAFRA OF NO OPPOSITION or worse still to SILENCE opposition from without.
All: Why I decide to repost part of the above posts is because we (I must confess that I was once foolish to be part of that clan and is somehow guilty) have given TYRANY and DICTATORSHIP too much room of manauvour on this board. So its time we all join hands and voice to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I am glad that the VETERANS who have seen REAL cyber BATTLE at the other board (Nigeriaworld)from equally INTOLERANT self-sytled "one Nigerians" are bravely joining this operation CLEAN BNW messageboard of UNDILUTED STREET CULTURE, which is disguised as "western culture."
Before this guy who CLEARLY has NO CLUE as to why and what the Americans are fighting in Iraq divert our attention from the raging war in Iraq, may I alert everyone one that the one-week old war in Iraq has aready started taking its economic toll: from the aviation to the stock markets right down to the embassies around the world (including the German and other western embassies in Nigeria), it's beginning to look as though we are entering another world order of ECONOMIC and political UNCERTAINTIES.
To crown it all, just yesterday the IMF issued a warning that "if the Iraq war prolongs," that there's "likely going to be a world economic reccession."
So just like the MUCH-NEEDED clean-up operation at BNW, this war as most analysts predicted is turning out to be not just another Iraq vs America/Britain war, rather its become OUR WAR and we must ALL fight it in ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
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Nwa Aro, I guess it is about time someone puts an end to your pain. You have dragged your percieved slight from thread to thread and while you seem to be spewing so much bile, you have come very short on facts. I really hate it when people start acting like they are in their village meetings where noise and not facts reign. The truth is if the quality of writing and logic of the Nwa aros is what bmw is all about most of us will not spend our time and energy visiting this site. Your pity party is really begining to irritate, grow up or quit. It is really about time we unburden you of the great Igbo pain you have so long carried and decorate you for all your imaginary battles.
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------- "The truth is if the quality of writing and logic of the Nwa aros is what bmw is all about most of us will not spend our time and energy visiting this site. Your pity party is really begining to irritate, grow up or quit."---nnamdike. --------------------------------------------------
That's where you guys on the other side got it WRONG. This is not and SHOULD NOT be a place to tell who and how "il/logical," "un/intelligent," "un/western," "un/civilzed" etc I or anyone is. Rather, this is a place for GROWN UPS (Nwa Aro has long "grown up") to air their views (no matter how illogical) WITH DECORUM and let the other man be.
On the other hand, if you "spend time and energy" to visit this place to enrich your DICTIONARY OF VULGAR as you seem to suggest, then you will from hence run out of words because Nwa Aro (and as you can see many here) will not help you anymore.
Even the Administrator of this board cannot be so UNACCOMDATING to ask anyone to "quit" this board because he/she is does not speak the language he understands. So carry your "order" to where it belongs. We are not in your coalition "batalion" where orders are blindly obeyed.
Finally, this thread has NOTHING to do with "logic" or none of it. So if you have something to say about the ISSUE at discourse you are like the ILLOGICAL Nwa Aros free to do so. I AM NOT A "HERO" NOR DO I CRAVE ANYONES CROWN.
Back to the issue please.
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You war monger. When the Iraq war causes riots in Nigeria, you know who is gonna pay for that. Shame on you.
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After building a hiding place that can only be reached by "nuclear bomb" and telling their then "friend" how to make himself comfortable (which he's doing quite well) they now want the WHOLE WOLRD to go get out the "good guy" turned bad guy. How funny.
Kind like reminds one of how the west proped up many African "westernized leaders" in the morning , dressed them beautifully well and advertised them as "virgins" in the day. Only to rape her at night and as soon as they satisfying their lust (raping the country dry of her human and material resources) then the next morning they will turn around to ask: "how did she lose her virginity?" Saddam Hussein was as we know once that "virgin" and his country the play-ground and now that the West have had enough of the man, they want another. But it seems the "virgin" after knowing that she was ABUSED has decided to fight to death:
Honestly, if I were that "virgin" I wont go that easily. Or would you? Who said some wars are not MORAL?
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The thinking of the people pushing for this war that after taking out Saddam, they would require abt 250,000 troops to maintain the peace while their is a transittion of some sort. This was on the assumption that the Iraqi people will welcome the coalition as liberators. This thinking is very naive. As we have seen in the USA and UK, people tend to rally to the Flag in crisis, just as the Iraqis are rallying around the hated Saddam.
The second problem with this plan is that in post Saddam Iraq, the GIs will be mingling with the Iraqi civilians hence making then vulnable to suicide attacks. May their souls rest in peace! My thoughts are with their families. I will not be suprised if most of the men involved are either Ethnic minorities or 'white from the other side of the railtracks'.
In the history of the USA, this is the war is being fought with the least number of family of US Executive and Legislative arms of government
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Another interesting view on the war on Iraq.
quote: Published on Friday, March 28, 2003 by the Cornell Daily Sun Ritter Speaks on War in Iraq by Jennifer Chen
Last night, Scott Ritter, former United Nations (U.N.) chief weapons inspector, spoke about the current war with Iraq to a packed audience in the Statler Auditorium.
INSPECTOR RITTER Scott Ritter, former United Nations chief weapons inspector, speaks last night on the war. (Photo/Christine Papio)
Ritter began his lecture by saying that "this is a tough time for us all. A nation at war should never be taken lightly, regardless of the justifications or lack thereof."
Although he is opposed to the current war with Iraq, Ritter wanted to make clear that he is not an antiwar activist. He believes that "war is sometimes required if that which you believe is threatened." He felt that if the United States as a nation, along with its constitutional ideology, was legitimately under attack, then a war would be appropriate and justified.
Ritter placed specific emphasis on the need for a proper evaluation of how the United States progressed to its state of current international crisis and how to best proceed from there on. He stressed that no matter what the U.S. does, it will not win this war.
Having served twelve years as a U.N. marine intelligence officer and having fought in the Gulf War, Ritter is well-versed in U.S. military strategies. He used his past experience to assess the credibility of the objectives put forth by the Bush Administration regarding the liberation of the Iraqi people.
"I know intimately the Iraqi terrain and the government. The policies that were advocated by the Bush Administration define victory as the liberation of Iraq, the creation of a democratic government in Iraq and the transformation of the structure of Middle Eastern government. ... But this strategy will not work," Ritter said.
Ritter described the Bush Administration's current war plan as the "effects-based strategy" that operates under four main assumptions: the support of the Iraqi people for the U.S. liberation of their country, the lack of defense from the Iraqi military, the fragility and the lack of resistance capabilities of the Iraqi government and the support of the international community.
However, according to Ritter, "none of it worked. ... The CIA was suckered."
As U.S. troops are now finding out, the Iraqi people do not want to be liberated, he said. Ritter stressed that, in addition to the backfiring of previous assumptions, the strategy of a "shock and awe" approach that attempted to create the illusion of a great U.S. military force has not proved effective.
"The Iraqi soldiers are not surrendering and are fighting back. Our supply lines have suddenly been cut off. And now, we're not so invincible as we seemed before. The effects-based strategy no longer works, and now the war won't be short and fast like it was promised to be when the President signed in approval of it," he said.
Ritter believes that implications of this potentially drawn-out war include a shift toward a more negative attitude in how other countries will view the U.S. and its people in the years after the war. He says that already, the Iraqi people will never rally behind U.S. intentions because "they view us as invaders."
Although he foreshadowed tactical victories, Ritter ardently stressed that diplomatic, economic, political and military triumphs will not result due to the U.S.'s violation of international law. He also said that the United States has carried out its objectives void of legitimacy and support from the U.N. Security Council.
It has not only violated the U.N. Charter but also the U.S. Constitution, he continued.
"We are therefore asking our men and women to fight for something not supported by the very Constitution that they have sworn to uphold," he said.
Ritter did not fail to address the fact that the U.S. has managed to gain support from other countries. However, he called the U.S.-labeled "Coalition of Willing" as a "Coalition of Billing" in reference to the bribery involved. Ritter believed that both Great Britain and Spain pooled their support because they desired to maintain a special relationship with the U.S. that will elevate their status and power relative to their European counterparts.
Additionally, the coalition is comprised of many Eastern European nations, which according to Ritter joined because the U.S. threatened to veto their application to NATO.
Moreover, Ritter drew from his past experience and weapons inspection knowledge to firmly declare that he believes Iraq does not possess viable nuclear weapons.
"In my experience in Iraq, we have never found any evidence. Given the poor quality of the weapons and their viability span of about five years, even if they were made in 1998, they would not be functional now," Ritter said.
Furthermore, he described how in order for biological warfare agents such as anthrax to be effective, they must be in powdered form. Iraq, however, only produced a liquid form of the chemical and did not perfect a method to transform and stabilize it in another state, he said. In addition, the V-X nerve agents and the artillery shells required for the proper assemblage of militarily viable chemical weapons need production facilities, which were not found by U.N. inspectors. He thus concluded that "Iraq does not have chemical weapons" due to the nation's inability to perfect stabilization techniques for their potential biological warfare agents.
The lecture ended with a standing ovation from the audience, and a question-and-answer session followed. These questions included one that sought advice from Ritter on how to strategically make individual antiwar sentiments acknowledged by the government. Ritter replied with an emphasis on the need for a strategic objective that does not protest against but for a certain cause, namely peace. He also encouraged active citizenship and exercising the individual right to vote.
"It is too late for stopping the war, but we can change the government that got us into this war," Ritter said. "It is a dereliction of duty for us to not oppose this with all of our strength if this war is not justified."
Many felt that with American troops currently fighting overseas, Ritter's speech and discussion of war-related issues was very relevant.
"I thought he was amazing. He came at such an appropriate time. He really addressed the ignorance of the American people and the bias in the media portrayal of Iraq well," said Elizabeth Paddock '03.
"He was really able to articulate the things that we felt but couldn't express. His military background and experience make his arguments much more convincing," added Rachel McMichael '03.
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Quote: ------------------------------------------------- Is this about Obasanjo and some of his fellow African Leaders?---Ednut --------------------------------------------------
Ednut: Your guess is as good as mine.
Who knows where and when this war against America's known and unknown "foes" will end? Note that just this afternoon Rumsfeld addressed the media and was "warning" (or rather threating) the Syrians and the Iranians whom the Americans accuse of supplying "military equipment" of "hostlie act" should the two countries continue to "equip" the Iraqi opposition based in Iran and the Iraqi government.
Clearly, Bush and his ILL-ADVICERS who know little beyond their "great America/ans" have so far shown that they were not supposed (that's the problem with rigging elections) to head the government of the only superpower the world has.
I bet most Americans will come to this conclusion after the war drums die down. FOR BAD LEADERS AND FOLLOWERS MAKE GOOD PEOPLE/COUNTRY LOOK BAD.
Wacko: That's the irony of history. While the rich and powerful shout "war," they keep their kith and kins in the best schools and the most comfortable homes. There's no doubt that if any of those HAPLESS soldiers were related in blood with Rumsfeld and co, they would have thought over their action a million times over and their reaction would have been different by now.
As we Igbos would say: eburu ozu onye ozo...
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Good read. Thanks for sharing that article. Notice how he dismissed the effectiveness of allied air power. He also cites Serbia as retaining 98 percent of its military assets despite three months of punishing allied air strikes. One may quibble over such matters but in reality air strikes exacts tremendous material and psychological damage on the enemy. It is true that soldiers must dig to survive intense air assaults. But it is also true that an army that is dug in has accumulated limitations. One being mobility, the other, the inability to influence the opponent's tactics. It cannot be emphasized enough how the Iraqis miss an effective air-defence. Poor armies that cannot field sophisticated, supersonic fighters with trained pilots, must put their resources on air defence capability. But the problem with this strategy is that air defence technology has not kept up with improvements in fighter - bombers.
The Russians during their communist years were big on air defence. Each of their army corps had an integrated air defence brigade. They treated air defence capability and utilization the way most armies treat artillery -extensive availability and use. Their seperate air defence arm - referred in your provided article, was more strategic than tactical. They controlled the strategic long range nuclear missiles in addition to sophisticated surface to air misssiles (SAMs) such as the SAM 300.
A point I would like to add to the battlefield tactics employed by both sides is that the Iraqis closed their traps on the coalition army rear a bit too quickly. I think they should have waited until the coalition army had entered the gates of Baghdad before unleashing the Fedeyeen on it supply line. If the coalition had been allowed to enter Baghdad then they would have been trapped and with its supply line under armed guerrila attacks, it would have had problems supplying that trapped army. And its use of extensive air bombardment on Baghdad would be limited. Baghdad is the next Stalingrad but the coalition army refuses to acknowledge that. That city is so armed that it is estimated that half of the city's 5 million residents are armed. It is also the city of Iraqi nationalism where Baath party ideology is well distilled much more than any part of Iraq. Thank you again, for making that article available.
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The so-called red zone has been crossed by the US Marine and nothing has happened.
And for those of you who are against the war must have been comfortable with Mohommed Abacha's devil killings as Nigerian desert rat and the current mass destruction of Ogonis by a government who refuses to mediate with them. You have forgotten that Nigeria with 120 million people was ruled by a single family---->Abacha and sons. Abiola was gased, his wife killed, Dele Giwa and many others who opposed to Abacha and his son. Abacha was a millionaire and ordered the killings of innocent citizens. Is there any difference when compared to Saddam and sons? I'm afraid not.
Saddam's cousine is nicked named Chemical because he intentionally, delibrately and recklessly gased the Kurds with chemical weapon. And this makes me wonder why anyone in his right mind will not support the removal of Saddam by force.
Some of us write about freedom of speech, brag about land of freedom, marginalization, sovereign national conference, probably does not know what Biafra means. They think that freedom would just fall from heaven without a fight? I have news for you, Freedom does not come that easy. America is a testimony of that otherwise none of you would venture to come to this country or any western countries to enjoy what they stand for-----freedom and individuality.
I guess Nigerians are used to comfort zone with the devils-----------> Abacha, Mustapha and Abacha Jr, that explains why they fancy Saddam, his sons and his relatives over ordinary citizen. They will rather see him rule Iraq than be librated. IS ALL ABOUT FREEDOM Y'ALL, TOO BAD AMERICA IS THE LIBRATOR.
Hail Biafra
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quote:Abiola was gased, his wife killed, Dele Giwa and many others who opposed to Abacha and his son.
Now,I know that you've been gone for a while ('74? or is it 64?)but from visiting this naija sites, you should have picked up on the fact that Dele Giwa was dead b4 the Abachas took over. This misrepresentation of common everyday facts, renders the rest of your post here meaningless. Take a minute to do simple research if you want to be taken serious big daddy Waypoint as in Big Daddy Kane. Copy Dat?
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Iraqi Republican Guard, over fed, over paid, fat, lazy, over rated no match against the most civilized army the U.S. Marine, Abacha like soldiers, specialist------>cruelty on civilians. Despite being equiped with the world's most killing and assult machine of the century, AK 47 and 74 they are dying like road kill.
The so-called mother of all wars is gradually getting a spaghetti legs, crippled, demoralised, degraded and of course shocked and awed. It is just a matter of time. Watching the Marines on TV 15 miles to Bagdad seems like old times In Biafra/Nigeria war. It is an adventure. Kill or be killed. You can't help but envy the U.S. Marines. Shaka Zulu will be proud of the Marines. God bless America.
Hail Biafra
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It seems to be fashionable opposing this war by people who have the freedom to openly critisize their President without waiting to think of what the Iraqi people really want.
Had America decided to invade Nigeria during the days of Abacha how do you think the average Nigerian would feel hearing you guys criticize such a war?
If there is one war that had ever been just in this world, it is the present ongoing war. The war for the liberation of the oppressed Iraqi people at great sacrifice to the American Nation.
If I have any criticism about this war, it would be "What took GW so long?". With my brief history of interaction with people from that region, I can safely say that is the same question they are asking.
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