What is the proper role of a Biafra Activist in the call for an Igbo president? Some have argued that Biafra activists should oppose Igbo presidency. Others think Biafra Activists should work to achieve Igbo presidency. Does one preclude the other? There are other positions in-between. What do you think?
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It is a matter of differred opinion. We don't have to be on the same track to sanction or admonish the Presidency. And even if we are in the same track, we don't have to reason on the same method but the goal remains relatively the same, WAYPOINT ONE BIAFRA. Just like you have the Democrates and the Republicans, both have one goal to make sensible and unsensible laws that provides and protect the general welfare of the people. The keyword is PEOPLE. But each have some sort of different opinion on how to achieve this goal e.g to cut taxes or not to cut taxes.
We have some who oppose the Presidency and those who do not. Both have one thing in common, freedom to control one's destiny, an equitable and just government against governmantal intrusion dominated by undemocratic ficticious religious mad dog class. On the representation and defferred opinion one is by graceful negotiation and the other by civil disobedience.The keyword is BIAFRA. That is the correllation. Pick one.
Hail Biafra
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Not Arabic. VERY IGBOBIC. You can ask Biafra, CSE, Chiboy, Ambrose, and Anu Nti, Dikeanatuegwu, or even ebe. I was there when the come came and the happen happened at egbeomooduduwa.com, and I was very IGBOBIC then too, so I was banned by the chuck boy. You must be new.
"O" stands for Obikwere. I just wanted to stop the distractions in the Sudan discussion.
Let's get back to the topic.
My take!! Instead of Igbo efulefu, give me a mallam president. Above all, I will take Biafra.
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I noticed that you started this thread after the wahala in the other thread about Sudan. There are always some members of this forum who like to kill a discussion for one reason or another. That also happened during the o/su discussion. If some of the people could see some of us face-to-face, they would have thrown spears and arrows at us. Those people have nothing to say, except to interrupt others. They don't initiate discussions.
When you start a discussion about meaningful Biafra issues, they will not participate. They wait for one big controversy to errupt so that they can jump in and tell you this is not what Biafra is all about. Don't expect them to state their views in this thread that you have opened for them. But, when one person says one thing that rubs them the wrong way, they will jump in and start throwing dirty insults around. They are "Biafran revolutionaries by ambush." They ambush other Biafrans. Haba!!!
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1.What will an Igbo president achieve ? 2.Will this Igbo president be the choice of Ndigbo ? 3. Are you willing to abandon the Biafran struggle in the event of an Igbo president of Biafra Nigeria ? 4. If Biafran activists become the proponents of Igbo presidency will there still be any credibilty if an Efulefu is installed by the mallams?
In my own opinion, no living being and that includes Igbo president can lift BiafraNigeria out of it's misery. Even worse it should be clear to every discerning person that no worthy Igbo can be trusted to that position. Of course you can adopt an opportunitistic stand like the Yoruba activist and side with anybody bearing an Igbo name in Abuja, but don't expect people to take you serious after the mallams may have finished using and dumping him.
The real solution is a deconstruction of the moribund contraption, no more no less. I support that pro Biafrans should involve themselves in electing their local leaders, I think that they should also seek an input in the constituition of BiafraNigeria to ensure greater autonomy for the regions as a first step towards total liberation. One thing you can observe from the Sudan example is the insistence of a self determination clause in the constituition by the SPLA.
An Igbo president in the current form and shape of BiafraNigeria will be heavily compromised and can do little or nothing to lift the burden of the very Biafran masses that activist set out to achieve. With this in mind to me Biafran activist becoming proponents of Igbo presidency amounts to abandoning the cause of complete freedom. There are Ndigbo who continue to see themselves as Nigerian patriots, let them bear that Igbo presidency burden.That's just my opinion.
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I am the wrong person to ask. I don't want an Igbo President. I want Biafra. I am ready to fight and die for it. Those questions were just so we could deal with the issues.
Odester:
Maybe you should start a thread entitled "WHY I AM IN ROM" to give those in voluntary ROM the chance to speak for themselves. This thread is "Biafra Actualization v. Igbo Presidency."
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Waypoint2Biafra Brother Kajetan O is a seasoned Biafra vetran from way back to Egbeomooduduwa.com, Brother Kajetan probably have lots of battle scares to show for it. The only thing is that Brother Kajetan have not taken active role here at BNW.
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quote: When you start a discussion about meaningful Biafra issues, they will not participate. They wait for one big controversy to errupt so that they can jump in and tell you this is not what Biafra is all about.
Odester, A trade of accusation eh! Back to the issue.
Kajetan, You can not possible start a thread with prejudice in mind, nevertheless, my question remians, are we out to struggle for our self determination or just to aid or help a self serving previlaged few pro Nigeria Igbos to get into Aso rock and refill their pockets and stock row dollers in foreign bank for their next fifth generations while the rest of Igbo race wallow in abject porverty as it is the case with their northern and western counterparts before them,what will be the benefit of Biafrans if men like Ike Nwachukwu, Alex Ekwueme and Chuba Okadigbo, Joe Nwaodo e.t.c are s(e)lected as President of Biafranigeria. Why has a man like Ralph Uwazirike who capured the mind set of core Igbo youths and decided agianst all odds to stand out and make our plight known to the whole world not been supported by these selfish Igbo politicians while the Nigerian presidentials of Igbo extraction and their cohorts lives in and kept denouncing him as a trouble maker who wants drag Ndigbo into another war as if to say that those in the state of war are not ferring better than Ndigbo in our present sitiuation. do we have to abandon the just Biafran struggle for a pot of porage(nigerian president of Igbo extraction or even a commander of nigerian army of Igbo extration)we most know that we are not wanted in nigeria no matter how much we struggle to be more nigerian than the nigerian,our patrotism has to be directed on how to get the whole world to support our efforts to liberate our selves from our African slave masters instead of indirectly saying that all is well with nigeria if onye Igbo is elected president, that amouths to compromise! we have to ask ourselves why Ike Nwachukwu have to retire from the nigerian army with fustration after he found out that he can never be made the nigerian army chief because of the atom of Igbo blood that flow in him even though he fought agianst and killed Biafran during the Nigerian/Biafran war, they can not trust him because they do not trust any Igbo, Umu Igbo, I ask agian, what is the difference today? By all indications, it looks like obasanjo is serving the interest of the Yorubas but I ask agian,is this the best that the Yoruba can get in a fair and just society? or what will be the position of the Yoruba after Obasanjo? I will rather chose and remian commited and steadfast to Biafran actulisation and total liberation of Biafra than to enter into any arrengement that will futher enslave Ndiigbo with the bribe of Nigerian Igbo president that is not ready to pull Ndigbo out of the Nigerian mess. I did sound it before that if Nigeria is not ready elect men of conscience like Dim Ojukwu and Philip Effiong who still belive in total emacipation of Biafrans in perticular and Nigerians in general then those who advocate for Nigerian president of Igbo extraction can carry on and we shall be patiant enough to see the result if that can ever happen. The Biafran nigerian world great forum might be an open forum but it (remains by thye words of igbondewoo) the yardstick to measure the struggle, this is a notion I also belive in, the world is reading and watching us, most of us will need to declare our stand and prove that we are out to get what we want if we truely belive on the cuase we embarked. Biafra lives!!!
___________________ He likened the second coming of Christ to the realisation of the Biafran dream, stating that at a time people least expect, the much sought Biafra would be a reality..Rev. Fr. Cornelius Ezeiloaku Posts: 622 | From: santiago, chile | Registered: Jan 2002
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quote: Interestingly, campaigners for Igbo presidency in an un-restructured Nigeria seem to believe that Ndigbo or the Igbo political elites, who feel irked at their exclusion from mainstream politics have a right in taking their turn in the despoliation of the country. This is basically what is at issue at any forum of ethno - geopolitical bargain for power among the governing elites. But experience suggest that this form of ethno-geopolitical bargain does not translate to popular participation. Most Igbo groups insist that Igbo presidency would assuage the marginalization of Ndigbo, uplift the massive infrastructural deprivation currently existing in Igboland and relieve them of the psychological burden of military defeat and political exclusion. We are however, not optimistic that Igbo presidency will relieve these pathologies. The current condition of the Igbo nation is not so much a function of an orchestrated policy of Igbo haters, as it is a consequence of an objective structural marginalization issuing from a state designed to fail by its colonial creators. The psychological relief of Ndigbo from a president of Igbo extraction may consist only in having more Igbo elites who roam the corridors of powers, more Igbo contractors, creaming over-inflated contracts and the more widespread use of Igbo language in the seat of power, but will in the main not lift the quality of life of the Igbo people in general. This marginal and largely symbolic of Igbo presidency will further accentuate the crises of Igbo political identity and self-determination and push them even further to the fringes of real socio-economic participation.
The real context of the struggle of Ndigbo against structural marginalization is the perspective of self-determination and the affirmation of it for all ethnic nationalities in Nigeria. If the office of the presidency is the real meaning of broad participation by all ethnic nationalities in Nigeria, then every ethnic group deserves it. And if fairness and equity is the name of the game, then Ndigbo should wait while the over 360 ethnic nationalities take their turn of the plumb job at least for six months. But this assumption is as ridiculous as it is worthless to contemplate. Every ethnic nationality in Nigeria is as much a victim of the burden of Nigeria’s failed state as Ndigbo, and if the presidency of the Hausa/Fulani or the current Yoruba nationality groups have not resolved the contradiction of a well endowed country but which harbours the poorest people on earth, then the Igbo presidency has no such prospects. There might be more infrastructural development in the geo-political zones of those nationality groups that have produced Nigerian president, but this is grossly short of effective participation of the broad mass of these nationality groups and such phenomenon can be located in the context of growth without development.
The most dynamic element of an inclusive society, broadly surging ahead in progress and re-investing itself in a health development is the symbolic relationship between the growth of infrastructure and the expansion of human resources. The ingredients of human resource development is self-actualization, self-motivation and sense of belonging to a society which in turn guarantees you optimum participation. The prodigy of Nigeria’s development dilemma as orchestrated by its ruing elites is the focus on infrastructure development without the human element.
This negates a principal human element that a human being is foremost a thinking being with emotions, expectations, hopes and aspirations beyond the material things that support these factors.
The world’s newest state, East Timor first despoiled by the Portuguese for over 400 years and then more brutally abused by its big neighbour, Indonesia more or less exhibits these enduring trait of human resilience. Between the time Indonesia invaded and seized East Timor in 1975 and when the U.N took over its administration in 1999, the occupying power invested massively in infrastructure and even locked up in Indonesia, the recently elected president and the rebel commander of the East Timor Independent Movement, Mr. Xanana Gusmao. The ploy to rig East Timorese nationalism by a two-pronged approach of massive infrastructure development and a brutal suppression of its nationalist sentiment by targeting its organized element, only worked to accelerate the dynamism of East Timorese nationalism and even internationalize it. The effect of a combined Indonesian brutal folly and East Timorese resilience is the freedom for the East Timorese people today.
Nigerian presidency is the target of every ethnic political elite, not because it serves or will serve the broad interests of any ethnic nationality group, including those whose elites stridently clamours for it, but because it is a source of unfathomable wealth and influence especially to those elites who see their miserable misfortunes as result of the political triumph of their other counter parts. It will be a pity that the broad mass of the people, of the various ethnic nationalities will be dragged into this fight over who takes charge to impoverish the rest of us. Self-determination is not essentially a resource control thing or even more creation of local governments or states as the elites may want the broad masses to believe. Self-determination is a political act of self-affirmation by a people, whereby self-governing mechanisms are put in place for self-expression, which includes crucial decisions that affect their material and spiritual well-being. Situating the Igbo political struggle in the context of a struggle for restructuring Nigeria is a worth while endeavour.
The tokenism of a Nigerian president of Igbo extraction will leave the majority of Igbo people exactly at the current status of the broad mass of the Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani and the rest of other Nigerians
Charlies Onanuju
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I am not contributing to get acclamation from you out there, that is is why I would not mind all the name calling and insinations many of you have made. And if you think because you were part of the founders of this website you then have the right more than me to determine Igbo future, my future, you must be joking.
This apart, I think many people do not understand the meaning of politics and struggle for self determination.
Tell me about I country or people that got to self determination through politics? Not even a historic nation.
While politics is done within the confines of rules (constitution, judicial, etc), struggle is an attempt to define a new order, a new rule, a new package different from what has hitherto existed under which new political order can then emerge de novo.
Those of you who think politiking will get you to self determination are living in illusion. Politics is an understanding to relinquish sovereign rights (even though you might not be aware of that), it is an indepted acceptance of the constitution of the state in which it is carried out.
How do you convince any body from another part of the world that you need self determination when at the same time you are in pusuit of political power of the same country you want to seperate from. Nobody would listen to you.
Self determination like Okwy has noted comes out of resilience, out of long suffering (even the Bible attests to this), like was the case with East-Timor, Eritrea and now to come Southern Sudan.
I still maintain that to be taken seriously on our quest for self determination, we must first of all convince ourselves that that is the way forward and stick to it. Let nobody think that we are opportunists who only talk of self- determination when ours is not at the head of affairs. This is the impression coming back from on lookers.
Those of us who move round the world and make daily contact with people from many nations get this feedback.
Is it a group of Internet electrons named "igbondeewo?" Is it a super-cyber personality that vanishes and abandons the revolution when some other electrons at BNW upset him or when he cannot have his way? Or, is it a real person with flesh, blood, and will?
Will you show up at a meeting, face-to-face, if Biafrans call you to come to a meeting to assure them that you are not just some loud mouth that will not do anything when necessary, or will you make a thousand excuses about work, childcare, etc? People in a revolution don't let such things get in the way.
For almost one year, we in this forum trusted a group of Internet electrons that said she was a Biafran freedom fighter. None of us ever saw her in person. We simply sent our money to her, prepared and signed petitions, and did as she requested. One day, she turned traitor and took all of us for a ride. Do you even know what the balance is in the bank account she operated for us? Now, you want to tell me what to do, and we don't even know your real name, what you look like, or if you are even really Igbo or Biafran.
How many members of BNW are you in private contact with or have you tried to work with in the past? If you needed to contact Nwa Aro, Osetututu, Ohafia, Nkem Ejiofor, Chiboy, or any of the dedicated members of this forum, will you be able to do so, or should they just come to the Great Forum to read that General Igbondeewo has issued orders on what they should say and do at BNW?
Now, that is why I have been in ROM.
___________________ Tụfue nu nwa melụ alụ, olue echi amụta ọzọ Posts: 158 | Registered: Mar 2001
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Easy Adaeze, The man has a valid point..... It's NOT your meetings and organisations that are going to do anything for Biafra. I think we ALL know that because we had a functional system of meeting prior to the advent of the white man and even sporadically during times of crisis. We are not in immediate danger of starving AND thank Chi m that we Igbo are EXTREMELY illustrious and take care of family. The ones who feel the pinch and will continue to take the blows is the poor villager. I don't know how many of us that actually engage ourselves in the welfare of our non-urban dwelling people. If there were a substantial amount, I believe that most would be of the same impression that NONE of the politicians would qualify to rule such a dynamic country as Biafra, or even be a Chief in the olden days. Most ARE *** in one way or the other....... I implore all to realise that there's a whole lot more to self-determination than speculation, politisization and simple belief in our impotent non-elected (note) leadership.
By ALL MEANS...... The sword, the pen, the liberty
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The dynamism of this forum stems from the freedom that people feel to discuss what they want to discuss. It is not always going to be possible for the discussion to be focused - not when you have Yoruba, Awusa, and Ednut in this forum.
Still, we can separate the noise from the message. Whether it is Igbo efulefu, Hausa-Fulani, or their Yoruba counterparts, they know that they had better start paying attention when certain members of this forum are writing.
That does not require a meeting or any kind of prior agreement. I also think that that is in agreement with the best of our Republican culture. We have our Ijele and we have our our efulefu. Who in this forum cannot tell the difference when Chiboy is writing and when our bobo Ajasco Ednut is crying?
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Adaeze, Regina: Welcome back my dearest sisters.
Ada, though I can understand your anger and disillusment, I do not think joining those who came here and promised people heaven on earth and was given the most important thing on earth--TRUST, hey abused it. And when they were accosted by the "devils" (those they duped), they simply ascond to heaven (ROM), leaving those they had earlier promised to take with them in the lurch in this hellish earth. In their little minds, they thought by now their vitims must have perished, but as things turned out, we are still alive and have even learnt how to get to that heaven (fight our battles) without them. Out of envy, they now see everything we do/say as "evil." They forget the wise adage that says: Fool me once, you are the fool. But if you fool me twice, then I am a proper fool for life.
Igbo and co: On a serious note, if you guys are honest to yourselves and really want to regain the confidence reposed in some (they know themselves), what you guys should do is to tell all those who came here and collected hard-earned money from some well-meaning forumites to come forward and give account of how that money was spent, and by who. If somewhere/somehow there is/are some malpractices, those involved should be brave to apologize to their victims.
Using Igbo presidency or gagging people as a smokecreen will not bring back the interest/focus of those who were ripped off (simply because they sincerely believed in what you are now questioning their loyalty). Nor will it sell you (those who participated directly or indirectly in the fraud) to truly serious minds as honest people who can be entrusted with the great task of helpiig the Igbos (be it through Igbo presidency or self-dertermination) get out of their economic and political straits.
On the issue at debate (Biafra vs. Igbo Presidency), I personally support both options, so I do not see any clash or match to make it "versus."
I also call upon those of you who want to change the minds of those who believe and support ONLY the latter option to COME CLEAN and to also TOLERATE those who do not believe in either option. For it is the case to RESPECT people's FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS TO CHOOSE and SPEECH (supported by the founders of this great board) we are making. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Now that you've gotten my attention, what r'u gonna do with it? U wanna hook up? I'll be in Houston Labor day weekend for the WIC thing. PM me darling.
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I hear you, and I can see why you are now crying like a baby. But let me ask you, though, how in heaven's places would you give money to someone you have not met before, don't even know what he or she looks like, don't know if she exists toward a movement you and I know will never come to be? When you gave this lady/man or whoever he or she may be your money, did you tell the whole world about it not after it has backfired? By the way how much did you give to her? Is it worth more than the people you've defrauded in your 419 errands?
I know how frugal you all are, so don't tell me you gave whoever defrauded you $1,000 which is a piece of cake. But how dare you give money to someone you don't know?
Now that you've learned your lessons, would it happen again? Of course, with vulnereable men like you.
___________________ Umaru Ibrahim Posts: 56 | From: Portsmouth, England | Registered: Jul 2002
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Why would anyone give? Umaru Ibrahim, with all due respect, it's called trust..... You have no reason to laugh at others' travails thus destroying the belief that most northerners have integrity at least. Trust is what we don't have much of for you northerners (probably unwarranted on a personal level) and what you northerners seem to HATE us for. On the other hand, it's a word that's TOTALLY alien to the Yoruba (HOHOHO)...... so Ednut..... if it fits......
Rambling on......
BY ALL MEANS NECCESSARY!
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Umaru: I cant help laughing after reading your mail above. It remembered me of the first silly mail you posted on this board. Please Mr. UNSOLICITED adviser, be on the know that even if I am the greatest fool on earth, you are the last person on earth or "heaven" I will trust or seek advice from. So wait until your foolish wise consel is demanded before you give them. That in itself is the beginning of WISDOM.
Chi M: Do not be surprised. When someone writes/speaks you can weigh his/her IQ (different from paper qualifications). Is it not amazing that in this 21st century when millions, if not billions of dollars criss-cross the globe in businesses which those involved have neither spoken nor met face-to-face that this mallam is questioning someone who gave money to a person "he never met."? For his information, I and a lot of people I know have donated to Charities/Causes and done VERY SUCCESSFUL businesses (and still does) with people we never met.
I am not surprised though, because as a Nigerian (and those with Nigerian gene) who do not understand or have such words as TRUST in their vocabulary, his ignorance as manifested here and in most of his previous useless mails can be forgiven.
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Smart Umaru! The worst sickness of every "ewuawusa" is of a proven ingnorance, just as you have bein demostrating since your subscrition into this forum or else why is it difficult for you to comprehend that human development and technology has made it possible for people to interact and deal with one another without possibly meeting.
Are you suggesting that we reverse back to stone age as been practised your part of the world? A few of you mallams who has gotten western education has a duty to your people, try to educate them that life is sweet and what living if one can take a complete controll of it, determin your affiars and live in liberty, this is what Biafra is all about. as such, please charity begins at home.
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Here is the test. For one week, let's not talk about Igbo presidency at BNW. I want to see how Igbondeewo and the other people in ROM are going to focus this forum on Biafra Actualization. This is their opportunity to put out.
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Dave I fully agree, This people go into ROM when going gets tough, only to surface, when the fire is off.
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