quote: This Confederate/Othamiel is sounding like a typical Nigerian of the 80s in the United States who just received a green card and warning other Nigerians that he would send them back to Nigeria.
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quote:I can recomend a good book though that might help you called "logic and reasoning for kids" by craig Bolton. It did wonders for my four year old son.
lololol. Still lolling guys. People, this is only reposted here due to its humor, no inner motive.
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quote:As a people we have endured as only giants endure. We have fought as heroes fight. We have dared as only gods dare. We are disillusioned by the world's insensitivity to the plight of our people. Yet because our cause is just we believe we have not lost the war, only that the battlefield has changed. We are convinced that Biafra will survive. Biafra was born out of the blood of innocents slaughtered in Nigeria during the pogroms of 1966. Biafra will ever live, not as a dream but as the crystallization of the cherished hopes of a people who see in the establishment of this territory a last hope for peace and security. Biafra cannot be destroyed be mere force of arms.
--Ojukwu
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This is hilarious! These Igbo people don't even know how to surrender properly.
Says Ojukwu:
quote:I informed the Cabinet that my primary duty in the circumstances was to seek the protection of our exhausted people and to save the leadership of our heroic republic. I therefore offered to go out of Biafra myself in search of peace.
I decided personally to lead any delegation in order to give it maximum effect and to speed up matters in order to save the lives of our people and preserve the concept of Biafra. I did this knowing that whilst I live Biafra lives. If I am no more it would be only a matter of time for the noble concept to be swept into oblivion. --- Igbo Warlord Chukwumeka Odumegwu Ojukwu
I guess Ojukwu was leading a "delegation" "in search of peace" the same way that Saddam Hussein is currently leading a delegation somewhere in Baghdad "in search of peace." To give credit where credit is due, the above is one of the finest expressions of the Pavlovian instinct and human cowardice ever rendered in words. It is hilarity at its bone-numbing funniest.
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Daud na here you come hide? Well let us hear from you then. Please just answer me this one question: If you where in Ojukwus shoes what would you have done. Or asked in another form, what are your expectations that Ojukwu failed to meet at the end of the war when he went to exile? if going on exile makes him a coward then tell us the alternatives. What would you have done different?
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quote:The war started when Ojukwu refused to accept Gowon's authority. The war ended when Ojukwu was forced into exile. The people who surrendered to Obasanjo and Gowon called Ojukwu the stubborn troublemaker who made negotiations impossible.--- NigerianKind
Abuja—Ikemba Nnewi, Chief Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu said yesterday that former Head of State, Gen. Yakubu Gowon caused the Nigerian civil war (1967- 70). Chief Ojukwu who spoke at a seminar entitled, Historical Perspective of the Nigerian Civil War, Lessons for Nigeria, at the War College, Abuja said the war was triggered by Gowon's refusal to follow laid down rules and procedure in the army.
Many Nigerians and non-Nigerians blame Chief Ojukwu for causing the war after declaring a Republic of Biafra. But throwing light on the circumstances that led to the war yesterday, the former Biafran warlord said: I would be doing Nigeria wrong by failing to speak. Before you can understand the Nigerian civil war, we must go back and look at the army so as to decipher who was loyal and who was a rebel.
According to him, following the death of Maj.-Gen. Aguiyi-Ironsi through the coup de'tat, he (Ojukwu) proposed that Col. Adebayo Ogundipe should succeed him given his position in the army hierarchy. Murtala agreed with my position but Gowon repeatedly said my boys will not accept that.
I (Ojukwu) asked him who his boys were that would alter the laid down rules and procedure, and since, I was then the Commander of the Eastern Zone and as such I decided to hold forte by challenging the desires of Gowon which led to the coup de'tat.
Because of my position, which was based on principle and against Gowon, the civil war broke out. For three years Gowon was trying to get me. The war was a continuation of the coup de'tat; the war was an orchestration of his (Gowon) desire to legitimise and rationalise his (Gowon) coup de'tat.
Chief Ojukwu acknowledged making some mistakes, saying I made some mistakes as a human being, but my mistakes were less than most people's because I had a background as an administrator which put me on a better pedestal to relate with the people.
On how to move Nigeria forward, he said peace will come when we have been able to look at past with sincerity and objectivity. Government, he said must lay emphasis on reconciliation, restitution and restructuring since to forget is not possible particularly when the wounds of the civil war are still hurting.
He asked Nigerians to adopt positive attitude to nation-building and shun selfishness as there is enough for everybody in this country and anybody who say otherwise is greedy.
He dismissed the 1999 constitution as selfishly conceived, wrongly formulated and unrepresentational of the collective interest and yearning of the Nigerian people.
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I thought this thread was for FAMOUS QUOTES, not for chasing Daud around for his attention or for dumping entire news reports.
In any case, what Ojukwu said in this report (see below) has completely verified everything Daud wrote about Ojukwu going to war to stop what Ojukwu called "Gowon's coup."
quote:Abuja—Ikemba Nnewi, Chief Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu said yesterday that former Head of State, Gen. Yakubu Gowon caused the Nigerian civil war (1967- 70). Chief Ojukwu who spoke at a seminar entitled, Historical Perspective of the Nigerian Civil War, Lessons for Nigeria, at the War College, Abuja said the war was triggered by Gowon's refusal to follow laid down rules and procedure in the army.
Many Nigerians and non-Nigerians blame Chief Ojukwu for causing the war after declaring a Republic of Biafra. But throwing light on the circumstances that led to the war yesterday, the former Biafran warlord said: I would be doing Nigeria wrong by failing to speak. Before you can understand the Nigerian civil war, we must go back and look at the army so as to decipher who was loyal and who was a rebel.
According to him, following the death of Maj.-Gen. Aguiyi-Ironsi through the coup de'tat, he (Ojukwu) proposed that Col. Adebayo Ogundipe should succeed him given his position in the army hierarchy. Murtala agreed with my position but Gowon repeatedly said my boys will not accept that.
I (Ojukwu) asked him who his boys were that would alter the laid down rules and procedure, and since, I was then the Commander of the Eastern Zone and as such I decided to hold forte by challenging the desires of Gowon which led to the coup de'tat.
Because of my position, which was based on principle and against Gowon, the civil war broke out. For three years Gowon was trying to get me. The war was a continuation of the coup de'tat; the war was an orchestration of his (Gowon) desire to legitimise and rationalise his (Gowon) coup de'tat.
Chief Ojukwu acknowledged making some mistakes, saying I made some mistakes as a human being, but my mistakes were less than most people's because I had a background as an administrator which put me on a better pedestal to relate with the people.
On how to move Nigeria forward, he said peace will come when we have been able to look at past with sincerity and objectivity. Government, he said must lay emphasis on reconciliation, restitution and restructuring since to forget is not possible particularly when the wounds of the civil war are still hurting.
He asked Nigerians to adopt positive attitude to nation-building and shun selfishness as there is enough for everybody in this country and anybody who say otherwise is greedy.
He dismissed the 1999 constitution as selfishly conceived, wrongly formulated and unrepresentational of the collective interest and yearning of the Nigerian people.
According to Ojukwu
quote:the war was triggered by Gowon's refusal to follow laid down rules and procedure in the army.
.... following the death of Maj.-Gen. Aguiyi-Ironsi through the coup de'tat, he (Ojukwu) proposed that Col. Adebayo Ogundipe should succeed him given his position in the army hierarchy. Murtala agreed with my position but Gowon repeatedly said my boys will not accept that.
Because of my position, which was based on principle and against Gowon, the civil war broke out. For three years Gowon was trying to get me. The war was a continuation of the coup de'tat; the war was an orchestration of his (Gowon) desire to legitimise and rationalise his (Gowon) coup de'tat.
Folks:
You heard it from the horse's mouth. Ojukwu went to war because he did not want Gowon to be head of state.
Daud:
Once again, I commend you for your deep insight.
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Dear Olumide Williams you have a nice argument but unfortunately, your premise is wrong, the inference you draw from it is therefore faulty and the conclusion you arrive at is thus inevitably false.
You are basing your argument on the premise that
quote:Ojukwu went to war because he did not want Gowon to be head of state--Olumide Williams
That premise is completely wrong because as a matter of fact Ojukwu was not the one who went to war. He did declare the republic of Biafra but it was Gowon and the fedral troops who went to war and started the war by sending in Troops to invade Biafran territory in July 1967. Gowon attacked first, he went to war, he started the armed conflict, he struck the first blow. So your premise and hence your argument are completely wrong. Ojukwu went to war as a consequence of the republic of Biafra being invaded by fedral troops under the commad of Gowon. Gowon who was by no means a legitimate leader of Nigeria.
As a matter of fact the argument "The Biafran war started because Ojukwu ate tomatoes (or whatever)" is a falacious argument in logic and thus always false. Why? Because it was gowon and not ojukwu who was the imidiate cause and start of the war by his armed attack. Thus the only valid argument could then be " The Biafran war started because Gowon attacked Biafra" Anything Ojukwu did would have to be a consequence of or reaction to that.
For your statement "Ojukwu went to war because he did not want gowon to be head of state" to have had any meaning, it would have to be Ojukwu who had attacked Gowon and struggle for Head of state with him. As it was, Ojukwu did not care who is head of state of Nigeria because he was no longer a part of nigeria, having had by the mandate of the Biafran people declared the Republic of Biafra. So wetin concern Ojukwu with nigerian head of state? Your argument no hold water all round.
As to my post it was aimed at Adekunle not Daud as I have accepted Dauds silence as an honourable surrender. And incase you did not notice... the post is full of famous quotes from Ojukwu...?
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You really have to stop using your 4-year old son's logic book to educate yourself.
The trouble with you is that you are incapable of comprehending what you read. I DID NOT WRITE THAT OJUKWU DECLARED WAR or that he started the war. I wrote that Ojukwu went to war. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE? Even if Ojukwu was only defending himself, it is still correct to say that he went to war.
So everything you wrote about premises and conclusion does not make sense. It reflects the intellect of a four-year old.
In any event, when you take a part of Nigeria and you declare it to be your "Republic of Biafra," you have declared war on Nigeria, the same way that the US considered it a declaration of war when the confederates declared their confederate republic.
I think that Daud and other intelligent people on this board may have decided that this place should be left to people like you, MeBiafran, and your ilk who don't seem to know their left from their right. Their exit would really be unfortunate because the promise that this site once held is slipping away because of rude and obtuse ignoramuses like you who think that rude outbursts could ever be a substitute for intelligent writing.
I wish I could get people like Daud, Fumi, and others to abstain from this site for a while, so we could see what this place would be when all it has to boast is your ignorance and those of your ilk.
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19 posts since Nov 2003? If you're not a wimp as I stated, prove me wrong by coming out with your real and true handle stop hiding behind a lousy inactive handle. Don't we know who the unashamed wimp is with this knowledge? I think we do! Listen to you hypocritical fool; "I thought this thread was for FAMOUS QUOTES, not for chasing Daud around for his attention or for dumping entire news reports." Do you have any problems taking your own warped advice? Why are you "chasing" me around? Why do you have to drag me into this, is my late affection for Fumi who Daud forced me to start "loving" (lol) responsible for your latest disillusion? Never mind, here's what I really wanted to say:
It is even a greater sign of deeper IGNORANCE when you accuse people of something that you’re equally guilty of. A good number of your posts are insulting, rude or outright nonsense and you still want people to hold you in reverence? As you can see I am beginning to sift through the chaffs, your types from those I can learn from. I believe it’s called educate or be educated hence the reason I miss Addy and olusolaa, two knowledgeable “brothers” who know how to put their points across to the opposing camp absence of the vomit that comes out your lips. Please consult them for re-engineering. Remember I never, unlike you laid any claims to knowing it all. How stupid can someone who lay claim to civility be not to realize that for the past few days there has been a change in style with me and I owe it to TB who uses humor to make valid points which wise people listen to?
My only request if you don't mind is to take this outside to another thread and there I'll tear you apart if I get the feelings that Fumi is now rebuffing my late flare for her. I don't want you to deface this thread which has been reserved for some funny, serious and enlightening "QUOTES." Do you mind?
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quote: The trouble with you is that you are incapable of comprehending what you read. I DID NOT WRITE THAT OJUKWU DECLARED WAR or that he started the war. I wrote that Ojukwu went to war. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE? Even if Ojukwu was only defending himself, it is still correct to say that he went to war.--Olumide
Olumide no need to get frustrated. Maybe you did not read my post well. This is what I had to say about your "Ojukwu went to war"
quote:For your statement "Ojukwu went to war because he did not want gowon to be head of state" to have had any meaning, it would have to be Ojukwu who had attacked Gowon and struggle for Head of state with him. As it was, Ojukwu did not care who is head of state of Nigeria because he was no longer a part of nigeria, having had by the mandate of the Biafran people declared the Republic of Biafra. So wetin concern Ojukwu with nigerian head of state? Your argument no hold water all round.--Ochiwar
I was responding exactly to what you wrote so what is the trouble with my comprehension of your post?
quote: In any event, when you take a part of Nigeria and you declare it to be your "Republic of Biafra," you have declared war on Nigeria, the same way that the US considered it a declaration of war when the confederates declared their confederate republic.
In that case you are again wrong because as even your idol Daud has pointed out it was Gowon and the norhterner who first declared a Northern republic and were thus the first to declare war on Nigeria
quote:Is it not ironic that you now cite Gowon as an authority in these matters. How convenient! Gowon himself made it clear after Ironsi was overthrown that there was no basis for the unity of Nigeria. Pray tell, when did he have the epihany that you cited? After the July 1966 coup, with the full support of Gowon and without any threat at all of sessation from the East, the coup plotters hoisted the Flag of the Republic of Northern Nigeria at Ikeja. Planes and vehicles were ready to take all northern officers, men, and indigenes back to the North. So when did this so-called fear of sessation develop in Gowon's head? I will educate you.--Daud
That gafe from your Idol Alhaji Daud the philosopher strikes the death blow for your argument and all your so called reasoning collapses like a house of cards. Any which way you want to twist it, Gowon both started, caused, and went to war first, before Ojukwu did.
quote: I think that Daud and other intelligent people on this board may have decided that this place should be left to people like you, MeBiafran, and your ilk who don't seem to know their left from their right. Their exit would really be unfortunate because the promise that this site once held is slipping away because of rude and obtuse ignoramuses like you who think that rude outbursts could ever be a substitute for intelligent writing.
It is you who is being rude. I was never rude to you in my post, but there you go calling me an ignoramus . I can understand you emotional outburst though. It is fustrating to always draw the short end of the stick. So if you are leaving for sometime I wish you a nice holiday. I know truth hurts and is difficult to handle so take some time out. I think the forum will survive and still be here when you get back, and I am not sure the forum will dry up without your 19 posts in 2 years.
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