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The meritocracy reined in Biafra, while in nigeria, it was business as usual: letting corrupt morons like olusegun obasanjo rule them; importing everything down to toothpicks and forming enslaving alliances with economic supremacists to defeat Biafra and the development of nigeria.
Since the shooting war died down in 1970, the nigerian rulers are still stuck on the same path, doing exactly the same things to confirm the stereotype of black incompetence. Isn't it amazing that even when yoroba/awusa are left alone by overt Western intervention to run their own affairs, they don't take the opportunity to show what their cultures are capable of; they still run around the world begging others to help them build even the least difficult tasks/structures that may only require them to take off the clown outfits, the head rags, the flowing, inconvenient gowns. Clearly, yoroba/awusa people didn't need independence from britain; they have nothing to prove with self rule. Again look at the performance of those who have led since 1970. Are you proud of what they have done with nigeria?
If you don't already know it, Biafrans believe they can do far better and can teach you people in nigeria one or two things about running large organizations such as a country. You may be too jealous, African-style, to agree with me on this, but the Biafrans earned the right to claim this apparently rare capability with their exploits in Biafra and with the responsible leadership they provided to nigeria in the '60s. All they need now is a seperate space of their own to prove it again and again.
Hail Biafra!!!
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MeBiafra went after Yoruba girls at a party in Chicago and claimed that as getting along. I hope you got lucky since they do not know you.
Now, do you realize that the Igbo ministers in Obasanjo cabinet are efulefu? You expect efulefu to perform meritocracy?
So there is a part of our Country that does not go and collect Minority money from Abuja and perform meritocracy, what a great news headline. That will be a new dawn in Africa where certain part will start claiming "First in Africa" again.
One thing about Igbo that is well known is that they came to Lagos with nothing (I have to be careful because of intentional misinterpretation) and made something of themselves. No thanks to helping hands. This was repeated in many places in Nigeria. My question is can this have been achieved within Igbo land? You see, we need one another to get to greater height.
Until we realize that we do not need minority money for success, your meritocracy will be a figment of your dream. There is nothing in any part of Nigeria today to be proud of. Stop fooling yourself my brother.
It reminds me of a sterile man blaming his wife for being infertile.
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Nana, among the things I can say about you is that you do maintain cordiality in most of your writings other than that, you have no CLUE like I said before as I am having a hard time trying to piece together what you meant by "minority money." Will you still say the same thing if a president of Igbo origin carves out a good chunk of the Yoroba area and call them awusa or chad? What you call minority money still come from Igbo domicile. When in doubt, go to an honest Yoroba elder. And no, I did not answer the social call to felicitate so I can meet some Yoroba ladies. They, your “chicks” come after me anyway, no need for a special trip. Are you on the other hand trying to tell us some about your girls?
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MeBiafra, Fineboy. I never knew that girls follow you. I told you before, you also need a fulani girl too.
As for carving out Igbo area as Minority area. That is between you and the Efik, Urobo, Edo, Ijaw, Ibibio etc. Please leave me out of that.
As far as I am concern, all that arguement only prove one point. That we are all the same trying to distinguish one from the other when it benefit us or separating one another to serve a purpose.
Do not forget, the point is meritocracy. O.K fineboy.
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I'll take fineman not sure about the boy thing. On meritocracy, Amadi O. has already done a fine piece on that so take another stroll at his to avail yourself. Like I already said, never deviate from your established civil approach since I believe we learn whether we know it or not from each other as we disagree along the road.
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MeBiafra, At our age, it is a complement to be called fineboy. I do not know if we can live up to it though.
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Nana As much as I don't agree in toto with most of what you say. However I do admire your civility and debate style. Only if issues in Nigeria can be debated like this. Please don't missunderstood the point of meritcracy been mentioned here by my brothers. I do understand that Yoruba have lots of talented individuals who will prosper in a meritocracy system. However what you have today occupying certain yoruba allotments in Nigeria are nothing overate oga pikin who got there because baba Iyabo said so. Just like Baba iyabo is imposing his choice of Governors in Igbo Land, he is doing the same in Yoruba states. These is what happened when you allow illiterate mechanics like Obasanjo to taste power.
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"There is nothing in any part of Nigeria today to be proud of."...Nana
Right on the money, and it all started when the nigerians decided to rig the merit system to spite Igbo; when the islamic daggaheads thought they could short-cut hardwork, experience and education to a position of power they're too ill-equiped and ill-educated to occupy. So, do you want to continue on the same path of see-no-evil of one-nigeria that lumps incompatible cultures together, making it possible for the least qualified to control the show?
It is no news that the british put this thing together for their own purposes. Isn't it time for Africans in Biafra/nigeria to come to the cold, hard realization that it will not work, and it wasn't meant to work. The cultural differences between the nations are simply overwhelming. My prediction is that it will eventually collapse anyways, but why not now? Why don't the Africans for once take a proactive leadership role now to reengineer the entire nigeria fraud, and quit always being obversers teleguided from the outside in their own show?
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Cultural imcompatibility? Between Igbo, Efik, Ibibio, Yoruba and Hausa? Get serious please. Yet we manage to get along with Jews, Arabs, Indians and whites in foreign of all places. Who is fooling whom?
Brothers lower your guards and see across the Niger. We all know the problem, the easy part, let us work out the solution. We are people of great African civilization.
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Don't gloss over it. It is much easier to get along with other cultures, but to build a country together? with all that cacophony of different ideas on just one thing? The US works because the dorminant culture dictates to everyone else. It would be impossible to have equal population of blacks, whites, hispanics, and expect the country to move forward. It's like pulling the cart in three different directions at the same time: it ain't going nowhere. That's what you have in Biafra/nigeria.
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Nana, please take time to gloss over Amadi O.'s points to get the picture he's been trying so hard to draw that the rest of us saw ahead of time. What he's in short saying to you is that were the "Jews, Arabs, Indians and whites" with claim to equal population, to form one and indivisible country, nothing will come of it. It ain't gonna work! And that, my dear friend and neighbor is precisely the case with the arabized nigeria you see today. But let me ask you, did you have the privilege and luxury to experience activities in nigeria in the sixties? Then, things worked! Then, hardly you get a commercial vehicle operator not have a spare tire or carry more than the stipulated number of passengers in a vehicle. And yes the gutters were cleaned on weekly basis too! ECN which stood for Electricity Corporation of Nigeria never disrupted the flow of power without adequate warning over the radio and a brisk on and off outage of light to warn about the impending disruption that never lasts more than one hour usually. Did I forget that the postmaster delivered the mails right on time with everything intact? They did! I'm getting nostalgic so I quit.
This, "islamic daggaheads" is the coolest thing I read recently as it captured the exact profile of the nigerian bane. Question is, is it possible for Mexico, Peru, Columbia etc and the U.S. to perhaps form one country? Our demand for a separate country away from the nigeria failures does not mean a call to annihilate our neighbors in the west and north rather we want a free space to demonstrate what we've been telling the world we’re capable of achieving through our creativity as accomplished through the BIAFRAN experience that the nigerian policy makers go out of their way to suppress out of wicked envy. On a candid note, I don’t see why any Yoroba should kick against this, I can understand why the “daggaheads” might kick against it, their feudal religious zealotry and laziness may be one thing but our neighbors in the west? No!
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We will have to keep hammering those points over and over again until the one-nigerians get it and move to take the failed state apart for the good of everyone involved.
We will have to be patient. When I was younger, I used to be like them: high-headed, idealistic, "patriotic"; an ostrich with my head deep in the sand, refusing to see the evils of one-nigeria. Suddenly, eureka! I saw the light: Continuing on the path of one-nigeria can only continue to discourage those who know how to run anything and leave them no other choice than to opt out of the entire mess, no matter what furtunes they stand to make by getting involved. The stench of mixing these incompatible cultures together repels well-intentioned people, leaving the least qualified and most corrupt like olusegun obasanjo to play patriotism and run the show.
Hail Biafra!
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Please some of us are too old to be fooled. So when you were in bed with "Islamic daggaheads" as the Junior Partners everything was good. Eh? Those in opposition then did not cry for separation. Indeed, they made their part of Nigeria "First in Africa". Detrabilzed Herbert Macauley made Zik his trusted second in command before then. Wisely, to keep North and South together he became the beautiful bride of the "Islamic daggahead". The Igbo with their zeal can turn into "First in Africa" too within Nigeria. Most Nigerians have to leave the Country to prove themselves, Igbo did it within Nigeria outside of Igbo land. The West has gone to the dogs since they follow other States, cap in hand to collect pitance from Abuja. Look at the curse oil has become. The old West was richer than the Federal Govt. then. Today people still look at Zik/Opara planning in the East without oil money. So why are we all crying over spilled milk instead of working from within and laying example for the rest of the States or even Africa. Igbo brothers and sisters, please regain your pride and your self worth that you are known for and stop this defeatist cry. It is not the same Igbo I went to school with in those days of Nzogbu Nzogbu Enyimba Enyi.
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Nana You have made some valid points I do agree that unfortunately some socalled Igbo leaders doesn't deserve to be call Igbos. Because their hands have been soiled by Nigeria disease, and they will probably do everything possible to stymie any progressive Igbo agenda.
Now to the point you made, yes back in the days the west was very rich with money from Cocoa and east were waxing strong with Palm produce. As I have called the Igbo leaders efulefu and worthless, Today's yoruba leaders have also squandered what the old west built. The old west had big corporations like Wemabod, which owns National Bank and wema bank and Coperative Bank of Western Nigeria, Wembod also owns Unity House on 35 Marina in lagos, the cocoa house in Ibadan. The old East owened ACB and Coperative bank of eastern Nigeria. Phoenix Hotels. Today all those things are gone. Unfortunately the Nigeria disease have not spared any ethnic group. Having said that, I do agree with Aamdi, that since the British experiment have not worked. why not lets break this thing up and start all over, instead become good trading partners. Remember that in the 60s each region was semi independent that was the only reason the west and the east progressed educationally.
Back then you don't get into UNN Nssukka by Jamb, Uni-Ife was the most beautiful campus in Africa. Today those institution are glorified High schools parading as University. back in the day when somebody graduating from UNN walks with pride, today UNN is nothing to write home about.
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My brother Nwafor, How dare you tell the truth. Yet I can not understand how we differ on Nigeria. The whole of West Afria should be one Country.
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quote:...methink this was suppose to be a famous quote thread.
LOLOLOL. It was a quoted piece I posted that drew the very affable Nana to crash into here with world history. Though the articulation he brings is very interesting, I think we should take a hint from Kpakporo and take this somewhere else.
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What is the point of famous quotes? Some people just lack simple decorum. Do you know who you call names?
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Doesn't Fameous quote usually come out during debate doesn't it?
Brother Nana All I am saying is that we have been doing the same thing since 1914 when Lord Luggard created this patch work of a mess. isn't it time we try something else which is by Africans for Africa. If you check the history of every country in Africa today, it was put together by White Europeans. We allowed southern Cameroon to go, and Nigeria and cameroon still maintain good relationship.
Since Kpakporo likes quotes, "They said madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expect the same result. So don't you think is time we try something else including breakup and see if that will work. I do believe that it is better to save one person instead of allow all of us to sink and drown in Nigeria. Then may be that one person that survived can rescue others. I think Nigeria is at a cross road right now, with a big river in fron of us, we can allow those who could swim to proceed and see if they can make it to the promise land, and then may be come back to rescue others, or we all stays at the bank of this river to be swallowed by will cayotes.
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"So when you were in bed with "Islamic daggaheads" as the Junior Partners everything was good."....Nana
You nigerians need to listen to the voices of reason here.
The injustice in the system - nigerian takeover of Biafran education system to undercut Igbo competitiveness, the yoroba/awusa mismangement of Biafran economy, the frittering away of Biafran oil wealth on wasteful, unaccountable awufu-type spending - has always been there even in the '70s when I used to be one-nigeria like you. But now, it is clear that the bases for nigeria itself is the problem. The idea of throwing up incompatible cultures to build a country together is a wrong one; it was meant to create MAX friction and to promote failures; to ridicle the cultures of Africa caught up in nigeria, and to prevent economic development of the nations, while guaranteeing foreign access to natural resources. This fact is well known to the operators of the system.
olusegun obasanjo's semi-literacy, incompetence and corruption, may have exacerbated the problem, but it is not true that the Igbo was happy serving as "junior partners" with the islamic daggaheads against yoroba.
BTW, are you revealing to us why yoroba have been silent on olusegun obasanjo's racism against the Igbo?
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I'm currently in Columbus(GA) enjoying my holiday, and I have been going through the write-ups and have been enjoying what I'm reading.
Well, as there is now a move to abide by the title of this discussion thread, here is a quote from me.
"UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL"
Nigeria is DIVIDED so it should fall. Igbos are UNITED so as expected.....BIAFRA WILL STAND.
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