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Forumites: May be you all or some of you may be familiar with the name Andrew Young. He was the the former Mayor of New York.
I started this thread because this man has metamophosed from being an ordinary mayor of a city in America to become Nigeria's unofficial but visible Ambasssador at Large.
From information I gathered from some well placed people in the Nigerian political class, I am made to believe that this man (Andrew Yound) helped Obasanjo gain the trust of the then US President Bill Clinton when the former was hurriedly scripted into the Nigerian presidencial race in 1999. And that since Bush who is somewhat reluctant to accept Obasanjo the way his predecessor did came to power that the same Andrew Young has been making frantic but unsuccessful efforts to break the cold ice between the duo.
I also learnt that Andrew Young through his Global Coalition is behind Obasanjo's frequent unproductive travels abroad. To butress my point, Andrew Young's influence and power was recently demonstrated when he had the gut to question Thisday's (Nigerian newspaper)editorial which questioned Obasanjo's frequent travels and especially that to Jamaica. He (Andrew Young) was quoted as saying that that superb editorial was "an attack on your (Nigerian) President."
My question is: despite his colour (he is Afrcan American), who's interest is Andrew Young serving and why should such a man whom as far as I know is neither by birth nor by naturalization a Nigerian citizen so influential in the politics of a supposed independent Nigeria?
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Brother Nwa Aro Andrew Young is the former Mayor of Atlanta not New York. However there is credibility to your story. Andrew young and Obasanjo goes way back to first Obasanjo stincts as Head of State. During Jimmy carter Administration Andrew young was the US U.N Ambassador, however he was forced to resign because he held a meeting during that time with Arafat that was when Arafat was still in exile and considered a terrorist by US Government.
After Mr Young was forced to resign, Obasanjo gave him a contract in 1978 to supply fertilizer to Nigeria. Mr Young supplied Nigeria with an expired fertilizer which nobody used. You also have to remember that in 1978 that was when Obasanjo was using our oil to flex Nigeria muscle. So I guess Mr Young forced Obasanjo on poor Biafranigerians because Mr Young wanted to pay back old friend. I am happy that Mr Bush have not given Obasanjo audience, Last two week when Obasanjo visited US for the 9th time, he was unable to see even the lowest US official. Sec. Of State Collin Powell managed to spend one hour with him in Powell's office, After which Mr Powell left Obasanjo with lower level official at the state department. As Mr Powell went to the airport to welcome the leader of Equitorial Guinea who was on a state visit. That shows how far Obasanjo's stock have fallen with the West and America. Even Tony Blair have voiced his disappoint with Baba Iyabo.
I think Mr Young should dtop this nonsense and just concentrate, in eating the Money obasdanjo have given him. Obasanjo gave Mr Young's Lobbying firm $3 million dollar contract to lobby US government on behalf of Nigeria and to polish Nigeria image. That is a wasted $3 million dollars.
I hear you both. Both Obasanjo and Mr Young are living in the past. What Obasanjo does NOT know is that Biafrans are firing on only a few cylinders for now. When we bare all our fangs, nsogbu ga-adi!
You know Obasanjo went and told the Baptist Church convention that he is a serious Baptist. So when he went on air and said he scripted sharia, our info service just forwarded it to the baptist convention. Shortly after that Pat Robertson and his friends at 700 club Christian Broadcasting network aired a programme which featured members of the Biafra Foundation recounting the the things Nd'Igbo had suffered in the hands of Obasanjo jihadists.
It was after that program that Pastor Professor Liar Jerry Gana embarked on a hurried tour of North America.
The battle line has been drawn, and it is either we win or we win!
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"My question is despite his color..... whose interest is Andrew Young serving"?
Well, he is a consultant, meaning he is unemployed. He is divorced and has no custody of the children, meaning he has to pay child support. He has not made any television appearance since 9/11. He is currently married to a younger female and with children. He is not holding any political office, local, state or federal. Most of all, he is part of Obasanjo conspicious conumption. To answer you question, whose interest.....? MONEY and OBASANJO, nothing less nothing more.
By the way read his remark. "It is an attack on your President" He did not say it is an attack on a President of a great country or a great President but "Your" President. That speaks volume of his intent. Obasanjo is his employer and he is his employee. His interest is not about Biafranigeria or the people. He has to be paid.
Hail Biafra
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biafra: Thanks for the correction and for the update on Andrew Young's past and present collaboration with the powers that be in Abuja to milk Nigeria dry. I also discovered that in my opening post instead of Rainbow Coalition which Andrew Young heads, I wrongly wrote Global Coalition.
Waypoint: Why I emphesied on his colour is because we Africans are often quick to accuse the whites of being mercinaries who connive with some corrupt African rulers to syphoon their countries. But from the above it is obvious that it is not only the white Westerners who are guilty of this indirect recolonization Africa but also our black brothers across the Atlantic. EVIL OBVIOUSLY HAS NO CREED, COLOUR OR RACE.
Ohafia: There are many Andrew Youngs within and without. We should never give them rest of mind until we achieve our victory. Because our cause is just, at the end victory shall be ours.
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Andrew Young has been one of the most visible black American voices of the past 25 years. He is well respected and a veteran of international affairs. He certainly knows more about what he is doing than you guys.
I am ashamed that this is how we have chosen to pay back one of the arrowheads of black emancipation in America? Without the work of the likes of Young, most of you here will either not be here or be toll gate operators and the like. Let's give respect to whom it is due.
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Opon Ifa Mr Young past accomplishment does not mean that he can not make mistakes. His loyalty toward Obasanjo is a Mistake. Do you think that Mr Young will be doing all this lobbying on behalf of Obasanjo, if he didn;t get the $3 million retainer fee.
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I am ashamed that this is how we have chosen to pay back one of the arrowheads of black emancipation in America? Without the work of the likes of Young, most of you here will either not be here or be toll gate operators and the like. Let's give respect to whom it is due
HAHAHA!!! I can''t believe that you, a black man living in this so-called dream country would dare to claim Young to be an arrowhead of black emancipation! You must really be a fool to believe that and I hope you toil to no avail in the toll gate you SHOULD be working in
Young can NEVER rank up there and If he endorses a feeble-minded, weakly moralled and totally impotent man as Obasanjo to lead the largest black country in the world, you really need an education of some sort
PLEASE do NOT insult the memory of Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Marcus Garvey and others!
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"Andrew Young has been one of the most visible black American voices of the past 25 years. He is well respected and a veteran of international affairs. He certainly knows more about what he is doing than you guys."---Ifa.
Ifa: Lets take for once that Andrew Young is that "respected" as you said. The question is by whom and for what services especially to Nigeria that makes him above mistake and critism? Secondy, if he as an American knows what he is doing "than you guys (members of the board)" who are mostly BY BIRTH Nigerians, then doesn't that show the kind of country you have? Could you dare tell an American, a German or any other westerner (even if you have lived in that country for centuries)that you know his country more than his compatriots (those by birth)?
Oftentimes you guys mix up things to the extend that you show your lack of reasoning.
By supporting and encouraging Obasanjo who is probably the most UNPOPULAR civilian president Nigeria has ever had (I pray it will be the last) Andrew Young like other your socalled African-American veteran(s) of international affairs who also supported the late dictator Abacha has lost any oita of credibilty in the eyes and mind of INFORMED Nigerians (those by birth or by choice).
If he is such a sage as you want us believe, he should use the wisdom to become president of his country. Atleast by so doing he would have helped the African-Americans break the ice of being citizens of a country they may never be its head.
YOUR "VETERAN" SHOULD FIRST SAVE HIMSELF AND HIS ENVIRON BEFORE EXPORTING HIS "EXPERTISE" ABROAD.
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You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you like a mack truck. Do you even know who Andrew Young is ?
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Sometimes you take your agitation for whatever purpose, too far. What is untrue about what my "good friend" Ifa said?
Well, even a blind man knows Andy Young was United States Ambassador to the United Nations, the architect behind black business successes in Atlanta, Georgia, and the powerforce who spoke for equal opportunity employment. Without people like Young, you probably be standing at a tollgate, checking motorist in.
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I will attempt to do the impossible, dialogue with a herdsman. My family sojourned to the united states even before Andrew Young went anywhere near the UN, if you had half a Brian you will not be associating Adndrew Young with the civil rights movement.
Umaru, I know BiafraNigeria world is free(some thing you can identify with ) everyone is allowed to speak, however the discussion here such as that above are often times beyond your comprehension. My advice to you is to go tend your herd, this is no place for a nomad.
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Umaru: The TRUTH (when did Nigerians started loving to hear/tell truth?) is that whether Andrew Young saved all slaves (including you) in America from their captives, when the hot water Andrew Young and other Westerners are cooking with Obasanjo through the latter's misrule starts boiling into VIOLENCE, neither Andrew Young nor any other non-Nigerian "veteran" will be around to switch off the stove nor to starve off the heat, rather it is our relatives (close and extended) who are still trapped in that crisis-prone country called Nigeria who will be left to bear the full heat and burns (death).
What the American and other Western governments will do, as they often did will be to evacuate their nationals. Then those whom Ifa in his "true" lie post claim to know what we want more than us who are in need will be NOWHERE NEAR THE SCENE to give their "expertise" (help).
Be it from within or from without, ANYONE who identifies with Obasanjo's corrupt and inept regime ought to be treated as ENEMY of the Nigerian masses. So if Andrew Young doesn't retrace his tracks IMMEDIATELY, he is sure heading towards that road of eternal DISGRACE and DISHONOUR.
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quote:Be it from within or from without, ANYONE who identifies with Obasanjo's corrupt and inept regime ought to be treated as ENEMY of the Nigerian masses. So if Andrew Young doesn't retrace his tracks IMMEDIATELY, he is sure heading towards that road of eternal DISGRACE and DISHONOR.___________________Nwa Aro
Nwa Aro:
From the above quotation of yours, I was just trying to make sure if you are really fine. It's always easy to blame Obasanjo for all your woes forgetting that your regional governments have caused more harm than what you allegedly blame Obasanjo for.
What really makes Obasanjo's administration "corrupt and inept?" Don't get me wrong, I am no Obasanjo apologist. I hate his guts as well, but blame your regional governments for your woes. Enough said.
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"What really makes Obasanjo's administration "corrupt and inept?" Don't get me wrong, I am no Obasanjo apologist. I hate his guts as well, but blame your regional governments for your woes..." ---Umaru.
Umaru: Good question. Except you are a die-hard Obasanjo APOLOGIST, or you just dropped from Mars, you wouldn't be that funny to ask me such question.
BTW, for what reasons is Obasanjo being given ultimatum to either resgn or be impeached by the Nigerian House of Reps? Is it for his "good" governannce or that the 500-plus members of the House of Reps are ALL stupid and blind?
On a personal level, what "guts" in Obasanjo do you hate? And why do you hate them and still find him the ONLY qualified person from over 100 million Nigerians to run Nigeria?
Sure, we have blamed those who govern the south east on many occasions for their mismangement of our human and material resouces. But that does not exempt Obasanjo from blame as well. If anything, Obasanjo needs to take greater portion of the blame because due to Nigeria's disfunctional UNITARY federal sysytem, it is the money the States get from the Federal government that they use to excecute their respective projects. For had Obasanjo agreed to the much-talked National Conference to restructure Nigeria's political structure, maybe he would have by that act released himself from some of the blames and accusations levelled against him from the regions.
On final analysis, from which ever point a rational, unbiased and discerning person looks at the Nigerian polity, he will discover that Obasanjo as a person with his outdated and dictatorial tendencies occupying that position is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY responsible for Nigeria's socio-economic and political woes. There's no sense in shifting the blame; not even to his deputy.
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