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Police in the Washingtong DC Metropolitan Area feel confident that they have arrested those responsible for the sniper murders. According to reports, two suspects were arrested while sleeping in their car. After the terror they created, making everyone afraid of carrying out their normal daily activities, the arrest seemed anticlimatic. However, the relief that their capture has generated is being felt in the entire area. No longer will parents and children fear for their lives as they go to work or school. No longer will families be huddled in their homes with all shades drawn for fear of being the next target one the one-shot murderer.
Personally, when the identity of the two suspects were revealed, I was very suprised that one was African American and the other a Jamiacan. Like many profilers, I had assumed that the murder(s) would be a socially dysfunctional caucasian. Like most, I am guilty of racial profiling. This latest development will certainly call into question the tried and true methods employed by law enforcement officials in apprehending certain types of social deviants.
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DC sniper is a jurisdictional mess. Who gets the death penalty and who gets the first crack of the two. And which state does not have the death penalty for juvenile? I don't know how the double joepardy will apply with all the states since the Fed is not involved in death penalty but fire arm violation which is a lesser crime.
So far 4 states, Alabama, Maryland, Virginia, Washington and DC wants to prosecute the Snipers but only Alabama and Virginia has the death penalty for both offenders. I am not sure about the state of Washington. But Maryland is on hold for death penalty cases, has the most number of death and is likely to get the first crack of these hoodlums with Aikada and enemy combatant mentality. It is a mess because Maryland does not have death penalty for juveniles and will get the first crack of the show. But it is going to be a very expensive trial if all the states get involved rather than waive their right to prosecute. Trail is not likely to take place for another two years. Terry Nichols, is still awaiting trail with the state of Oklahoma since the Feds found him guilty but speared him of the death. I know one thing though, this is going to be a transportational/jurisdictional mess.
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DC sniper, Is it an assimilation of white culture or just a re-study of racial profiling by experts?
Is racial profiling a guess work of artistic impression or pure science?
Yes, America has the largest number of serial killers in the world and majority are angry white people but should we attach much importance to the color of their skin when analyzing the perpertrator based on race or ethnicity?
The only accurate profile that scientist knows is the neighborhood profiling..the vicinity of the crime. The distance and the closeness of the crime scene will definitely tell you if the guy lives in or around the neighborhood.
Those snipers could have been someone from Nigeria, particularly from the Moslem republic of Northern Nigeria, that is, if they know how to shoot straight and yet experts would like us to believe they are whites.
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Those of you who live in the Washington DC Area can take heart. John Allen Mohammed, the older of the two DC snipers, has been convicted on all counts, including terrorism, by a Virginia court. He could face the death penalty.
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If there was ever a case where the death penalty was appropriate, it was the Lee Boyd Malveaux and John Allen Muhhamad sniper case. Without recounting the gruesome details of their horrendously murderous spree of a year ago, I can say that I would have felt safer in a combat zone than under the terrorist threat that Malveaux and Muhammad imposed on the Washington Region. May they both burn in hell.
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Those two snipers are the rotten on the earth and should be killed. Death by injection or electrocution will be too good for them. I will prefer a slow death were their body parts are separately cutoff one by one. That will surely teach them and future would be snipers a lesson.
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quote:Death by injection or electrocution will be too good for them. I will prefer a slow death
Is slow death not the same as life without the possibility of parole? I think in punitive terms life in prisonment is better than the death penalty. Executing this bloke will not be more of a punishment than Charles Mason sentence. One need to see the look on his face each year he is denied parole. Once people are dead they stop suffering.
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Let me make it clear to death penalty opponents who might come in here to debate death penalty that I'm an opponent of death penalty too but not in all cases.
Cases like the sniper, serial killers like Ted Bundy deserve death penalty and I support that.
However, I oppose death penalty when eyewitness identification is involve because research has shown that they are not reliable.
So in cases as above oppose death penalty to avoid innocent people being put to death.
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NwaBiafra, I am also an opponent of the death penalty, not because it is inhuman, but because of the unequal use of this penalty. However, I also feel that killing certain people puts an end to the suffering which they deserve for their crimes. Ever remember the term Odi ndu Onwu ka nma?Posts: 585 | From: London. | Registered: Mar 2001
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quote:Executing this bloke will not be more of a punishment than Charles Mason sentence. One need to see the look on his face each year he is denied parole. Once people are dead they stop suffering.~~~Wacko
Wacko,
I can tell you that Charles Manson is not suffering. The people that he mastermined their deaths suffered. The family members of the people that he killed are still suffering.
The only other people suffering from the crimes of Charles Manson are we Californian Tax payers whose tax money is being used to support and kept alife a muderer like Charles Manson.
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quote:Ever remember the term Odi ndu Onwu ka nma? ~~~Wacko
Wacko,
I know what you are saying by the above however, that is not applicable in American Penal system.
Those convicts do have it better than you and me. They recieve three guarantee meals a day, best medical attention, TV and education previleges which most poor citizens of California don't receive.
I will agree with your statement above if this was Iraq, Iran or Nigeria unfortunately it is not so those criminals are not suffering.
I can tell that I know of homeless people that want to commit crime you that they can get into the jail and have a better life.
You go figure that one out.
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quote:The only other people suffering from the crimes of Charles Manson are we Californian Tax payers whose tax money is being used to support and kept alife a muderer like Charles Manson.
I must confess that I have not considered that angle. I guess it is valid for he who pays the piper to determine whether to pay for old sparky or for upkeep of those whom society consider cannot redeem themselves.
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Thanks for engaging in this debate. It has been an issue that I feel strongly about.
Tax payers hard earned money should not be used to give these criminals a better life than we the taxpayers.
If there is a way to make really suffer,like have the sleep outside in the cold then I will be all for keeping them in jail as opposed to making them pay ultimate debt to society.
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WRONG!!!! Unless the State of Texas where you live burns those murderers by covering them up with American Green Money.
Here in California, take the case of Charles Manson, the cost of keeping that guy alife is in the hundreds of thousand. I bet it would have been a lot cheaper if he was killed years ago.
Now you show me statistics that shows or prove that it cost more to kill murderers than to keep them alife?
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I think that Ednut will be able to provide considerable data showing that the death penalty is often far more expensive to enforce than a sentence of life in prison.
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Death penalty trials very costly relative to county budgets. Capital cases burden county budgets with large unexpected costs, according to a report released by the National Bureau of Economic Research, "The Budgetary Repercussions of Capital Convictions," by Katherine Baicker. Counties manage these high costs by decreasing funding for highways and police and by increasing taxes. The report estimates that between 1982-1997 the extra cost of capital trials was $1.6 billion. (NBER Working Paper No. w8382, Issued in July 2001) Read the abstract. Total cost of death penalty 38% greater than total cost of life without parole sentences. A study by Indiana's Criminal Law Study Commission found this to be true, assuming that 20% of death sentences are overturned and resentenced to life. (Indiana Criminal Law Study Commission, January 10, 2002) North Carolina spends $2.16 million more per execution than on a non-death penalty murder case. The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution than the a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment (Duke University, May 1993). On a national basis, these figures translate to an extra cost of over $1 billion spent since 1976 on the death penalty. The study,"The Costs of Processing Murder Cases in North Carolina" is available on line at www-pps.aas.duke.edu/people/faculty/cook/comnc.pdf. Florida spends $51 million extra per year on death penalty. Florida would save $51 million each year by punishing all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole, according to estimates by the Palm Beach Post. Based on the 44 executions Florida has carried out since 1976, that amounts to an approximate cost of $24 million for each execution. This finding takes into account the relatively few inmates who are actually executed, as well as the time and effort expended on capital defendants who are tried but convicted of a lesser murder charge, and those whose deathe sentences are overturned on appeal. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000) California spends $90 million annually beyond ordinary costs of justice system. $78 million of that total is incurred at the trial level (Sacramento Bee, March 18, 1988). In January 2003, despite a budge deficit, California Governor Gray Davis proposed building a new $220 million state of the art death row. (New York Times, January 14, 2003) Florida spent average of $3.2 million per execution from 1973 to 1988. During that time period, Florida spent an estimated $57 million on the death penalty to achieve 18 executions. (Miami Herald, July 10, 1988) Each death penalty case costs Texas average of $2.3 million. That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. (Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992)
The reason why ordinary citizens call for death penalty is out of fear and the revange factor that makes some of us worse than animals. The politicians i.e DA and Governors, execute b/c of the next election.
Capital punishment is a far more expensive system than one whose maximum penalty is life in prison.
A New York study estimated the cost of an execution at three times that of life imprisonment. In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment. Studies in California, Kansas, Maryland, and North Carolina all have concluded that capital punishment is far more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The greatest costs of the death penalty are incurred prior to and during trial, not in post-conviction proceedings. Even if all post-conviction proceedings were abolished, the death penalty system would still be more expensive than alternative sentences.
Under a death penalty system, trials have two separate phases (conviction and sentencing); they are typically preceded by special motions and extra jury selection questioning. More investigative costs are generally incurred in capital cases, particularly by the prosecution. When death penalty trials result in a verdict less than death or are reversed, the taxpayer first incurs all the extra costs of capital pretrial and trial proceedings and must then also pay either for the cost of incarcerating the prisoner for life or the costs of a retrial (which often leads to a life sentence). The death penalty diverts resources from genuine crime control measures. Spending money on the death penalty system means:
Taking it away from existing components of the criminal justice system, such as prosecutions of drug crimes, domestic violence, and child Reducing the resources states put into crime prevention, education and rehabilitation, investigative resources, and drug treatment programs.
"Elimination of the death penalty would result in a net savings to the state of at least several tens of millions of dollars annually, and a net savings to local governments in the millions to tens of millions of dollars on a statewide basis." --Joint Legislative Budget Committee of the California Legislature, Sept. 9, 1999
Nice try but I'm not buying neither is anyone else.
What you have just presented is an analysis of case trials between death penalty cases and Life inprisonment cases. That is not the issue at hand.
The issue at hand is after all trials is the cost of killing/putting them to death more than the cost of life sentence? The answer I still maintain is NO!!
You might want to read a report you are quoting before using it in an arguement. Are just read the main issue involve in the debate before supplying a report that does not address the issue at hand.
Nice try like and said but you need to go back to the drawing board and show me figures that support the argument that it cost more to kill them that to give life imprisonment and waste our tax money on them.
Let me break it down for you more. What is the cost of the electricity or injection used to kill one of those criminals as compared to the hundreds of thousands spent on keeping them alife?
You answer the above question because that is the issue. Until you can show me such figures, please keep your report that does not address the central issue to yourself.
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