I see your point. However, from my first post and your response thereto, I thought it was clear to you that my post was rather pointed in its focus on the death penalty and its enforcement, rather than on the exact assertion in Ednut's original post.
Anaedo:
You are correct. The Virginia jury merely made a recommendation, and the judge, at sentencing, will have the opportunity to reduce the sentence to life in prison without the possibility of parole. I doubt that that will happen in this case.
Moreover, John Muhammad is highly unlikely to escape the death penalty because Muhammad's crime spree tripped on death penalty wires accross the US. Thus, there are several jurisdictions, from Washington to Alabama, eager to impose and enforce death sentences against him.
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quote:I see your point. However, from my first post and your response thereto, I thought it was clear to you that my post was rather pointed in its focus on the death penalty and its enforcement, rather than on the exact assertion in Ednut's original post.~~~LawGuild
Correct to which I responded that I was not debating death penalty as a whole. I also stated that I was talking about once the decision is final and the guilty penalty recommended and pronounced, that my stand on this issue changes from opposing death to killing the criminal off to save our tax money.
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quote:Let me make it clear to death penalty opponents who might come in here to debate death penalty that I'm an opponent of death penalty too but not in all cases.
Cases like the sniper, serial killers like Ted Bundy deserve death penalty and I support that.
However, I oppose death penalty when eyewitness identification is involve because research has shown that they are not reliable.
So in cases as above oppose death penalty to avoid innocent people being put to death.~~~NwaBiafra
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The chronological events that led to participation on this debate with NwaBiafra.
quote:Those two snipers are the rotten on the earth and should be killed. Death by injection or electrocution will be too good for them. I will prefer a slow death were their body parts are separately cutoff one by one. That will surely teach them and future would be snipers a lesson………… NwaBiafra
quote:Is slow death not the same as life without the possibility of parole? I think in punitive terms life in prisonment is better than the death penalty. Executing this bloke will not be more of a punishment than Charles Mason sentence. One need to see the look on his face each year he is denied parole. Once people are dead they stop suffering. ………Wacko
quote:Let me make it clear to death penalty opponents who might come in here to debate death penalty that I'm an opponent of death penalty too but not in all cases. ………………NwaBiafra
quote:NwaBiafra, I am also an opponent of the death penalty, not because it is inhuman, but because of the unequal use of this penalty. …………Wacko
When I c got involved in the debate, I merely wanted to make it clear that the cost of executing an inmate far exceeds the cost of life imprisonment. I was not debating Capital punishment. I was debating its cost vis-à-vis the cost of life sentence. I was not limiting myself to the actual execution day but to the world experience of the instance. I am still trying to find out how this my simple sentence conveyed to an audience that I was debating demerits of Capital punishment.
quote:NwaBiafra,
It costs more to execute a criminal than to keep them alive…..Ednut
quote:Ednut,
WRONG!!!! Unless the State of Texas where you live burns those murderers by covering them up with American Green Money.
Here in California, take the case of Charles Manson, the cost of keeping that guy alife is in the hundreds of thousand. I bet it would have been a lot cheaper if he was killed years ago.
Now you show me statistics that shows or prove that it cost more to kill murderers than to keep them alife? ……NwaBiafra
quote:I think that Ednut will be able to provide considerable data showing that the death penalty is often far more expensive to enforce than a sentence of life in prison……LawGuild.
quote: This issue here is not the cost of death penalty. Ednut posted a liner bonehead comment so I called him on it to provide proof. What did he do he went off on a debate about death penalty. …..NwaBiafra
For the benefit of anybody that may not have followed this debate for one reason or another, I have reproduced above chorological events that led to my involvement in this debate. I was not debating Mr. NwaBiafra about death penalty since he already clearly stated where he stands on that issue, but about the cost. I decided that I was wasting my time when Mr. NwaBiafra resorted to cutting sentences up in an attempt to gain an advantage. This is unethical and shows that I was not dealing with a person that is sincere on this issue. I decided to discontinue the debate. Mr. NwaBiafra, then decided that calling names and boldface lies were working for him and continued to pedal what he conjured up that I was saying. This is an attempt to correct that once again.
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Lee Boyd Malvo has been found guilty but he has not been sentenced yet.
He will be sentenced today. Judging from the fact that his claim that he was totally brainwashed by John Allen Muhammed failed to convince the jurors who found him guilty on all counts, do we assume that he will automatically get the death penalty like his comrade in terror?
Lee Boyd was 17 at the time of the shootings but he is 18 now and as such can be made to face the death penalty, but is this a foregone conclusion?
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What a shame. There will never be justice for a poor BLACK boy in this land. I just don't see how any sane person couldn't fathom that that boy was brainwashed and was just trying to please the adult FATHER FIGURE in control of him. May GOD forgive those that found poor Malvo guilty.
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Should Malvo's life be spared? Analysis: Penalty phase set to begin Friday By Henri E. Cauvin
Updated: 12:41 CHESAPEAKE, Va., Dec. 18 - The real trial of Lee Boyd Malvo begins now. Everyone, even Malvo’s own lawyers, expected it to come to this. As earnestly as they argued their insanity defense, his attorneys were always looking beyond it, to the penalty phase that will begin Friday, a foursquare fight for the life of Malvo, who now stands convicted of capital murder in the killing of Linda Franklin in Fairfax County. From the moment U.S. Attorney General John D. Ashcroft sent the case to Virginia, the ultimate objective for the prosecution has been a death sentence and the goal of the defense has been to save Malvo’s life. That’s what it comes down to in the penalty phase, which often is as much about the person as it is the crime, said Ronald Bacigal, a law professor at the University of Richmond. The question, he said, is, “How can we tailor the punishment to this person and this crime?” Malvo’s attorneys have succeeded from the start in making this case as much about Malvo as the sniper shootings, and they will be building on that as they enter the final stage of the case. Ordinarily, the penalty phase would be the first time the jurors would hear about Malvo’s upbringing and mental state. But Malvo’s attorneys have spent the past six weeks arguing at trial that Malvo was insane and therefore not legally responsible for his role in last fall’s shootings. By putting forth that defense, they were allowed to present a case that focused little on the crimes and largely on Malvo’s life—before and after he met John Allen Muhammad.
Now you see why your posts give me a headache. Reading your post, how would a person know what the jury did in the Malvo case?
In case some of you are wondering, Lee Boyd Malvo was sentenced to life in prison by a Chesapeake jury. Many of Malvo's victims are of course disappointed.
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