Sunday, December 15, 2002 Posted: 11:30 PM EST (0430 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Vice President Al Gore has decided not to run for president in 2004, a senior Gore adviser said Sunday.
Gore would have been the likely front-runner in the Democratic field, even though many party activists have said privately they hoped he wouldn't run.
After gradually re-entering politics over the last year, the Democrats' 2000 nominee campaigned for selected candidates around the country this year, then spent the last month promoting a book on the family that he wrote with wife Tipper and making an extensive round of media appearances, including "Saturday Night Live" this weekend.
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I think the only reason a bright Ibo man like Damian will be rooting for dumb Bush is for him to come round and boast that he is smarter than the US president.
Gore did the right thing. He is the reason liberals lost power in the first place. A very boring man.
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After reading your encounter with my brothers Nwa Aro, Ukaobasi, and others, I am not sure if your post is one of those things that Seun calls a "pogey bait." But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Make no mistakes. I am one of those "foreign-born Americans" (FOBAs) who are working very hard to change that useless law, which provides that only US citizens by birth could run for president. When that law is changed, yours truly will be a candidate for president of the United States.
Not only do I think I will make a better president that George W, I know I will be a better president than all the former liberal presidents, including JFK. George W was even a bad soldier.
Have you noticed that conservatives like us are the ones trying to change that law of the paranoid? We are doing it without pandering to racial emotions, like some of you liberals are wont to do.
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I will answer your question as soon as I read the reasons for your apprehensions. I caution you that a one-liner will not do it.
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Brother Damian Not all democrat are liberals, I am a diehard democrat, and i consider my self moderate, the difference between Democrats and Republicans is that in Demcratic party we welcome both liberals, Moderate and conservatives, whereas in your republican party all you have is right wing extremists. If you are Moderate in Republican party there is no room for you.
Do you have a detailed explanation why you believe Democrats are better off when it comes to addressing the concerns of the minorities and blacks in general other than their lip-service and Republican-bashing?
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Way to go Al Gore. Al Gore decision to bow out 2004 is PC[Politically correct].If he had run, the platform will be less than issues affecting the middle class but a revisit of the Florida hanging chards. There is nothing for him to lay claims against a pop President. I do not see any Democrat strong enough to face George W, a war President and probably the most pop culture President since The New Deal or Fair deal. Is it Mr Karr, a self confessed homicidal soldier who killed innocent Vietnamese people, a civil right activist from Harlem who will only generate black votes, Joe Libierman whose ethnicity as jewish will scare the rednecks and the entire southern states or Kerry from Massachusset also a vet? The party of welfare state will have to wait for 2008 or more when they would have to face the secretary of state Mr. Collin Powel. George W. will continue to cultivate his political posturing of war games against Iraqi and the monstrous display of turfness against islamic bastards into 2004 making it hard for anyone to defeat him. He is playing smart politics unless something happens, there is no vacancy for Democrats in the White House in 2004. Adios Amigo.
Hail Biafra
[ December 16, 2002, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: Waypoint1Biafra ]
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I wanted to know why you think that you are a conservative. Now if you can tell us what those principles are that makes a southern biafranigeria (instead of the northern muslims as the nigerian press call those lazy hausas) a conservative, then I will stand corrected. I know that their might be some elements of strict Discipline that an Igbo parent instills on his children i.e. hard work, etc. but is that the same as the conservative politics that is played by the white middle class and super rich in America? Now their are those nigerians that listen to Rush Lymboure(sp) and think that they are conservative because they can regurgitate what Rush says and I hope that you will not play that.
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I disagree with you in many ways, in that, without a welfare state profoundly established by LBJ's era of "Great Society" which compromised the Jim Crow laws, giving the less privileged and minorities who had been discriminated against an opportunity to rise above the means imposed on them by the white supremacists.
If the civil rights movement did not take place in the 60s to right the wrong of the white man, your home base in Minnesota where you write your fairy tales would have been entirely a different story.
If the Republicans had been given their way without Democrat's aggressiveness in changing the ways business is conducted in Washington, what you'd probably have today would be a wiped out middle class which would widen the gap between the rich and poor--a clear indication of either you are rich or a poor niiger.
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quote: The party of welfare state will have to wait for 2008
Have you ever heard of corporate welfare? The federal money spent on these poor people is less that 1% of that spend as tax breaks and other forms of corporate welfare by the Republican party on their party donors and lobbyists. It's your tax money.
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------- "I do not see any Democrat strong enough to face George W, a war President and probably the most pop culture President since The New Deal or Fair deal."--Waypoint. --------------------------------------------------
Ol' boy, One do not need to be an INTOLERANT extremist like you to be a Republican. Nor do a "war President" need ONLY a "war on terrorism" agenda to be in the White House.
It is only in Africa, nay Nigeria that the Presidency is decided in favour of those who wasted lives as against in the West where the reverse is the case and rightly so. Maybe you are short in memory. Be reminded that though George Bush Sr. won the Gulf war but that did not renew his tenancy agreement in the White House after that.
Honestly, just like Trent Lott, your ZERO-TOLERANCE is an embarassment to any party/group your ilk belong to. I must also add that your "fairy tales" (apologies Ashamblo) posts on this board is casting this otherwise GREAT BOARD in bad light and causing great embarrassment to most moderate but focused Igbos around the world.
Others may, but we Igbos who come from a race that is oppressed in our home country cannot afford the luxury of accomodating in our midst those who behave as though they and Hitler wrote the dictator's FINAL SOLUTION as contained in his book "Mein kampf"
If you and those who think like you really want to be of help to the much-needed Igbo renaissance, then it's time you guys retrace your hateful track, because the way some of you are going, you are becoming more of the PROBLEM than the solution to salvaging Nd'Igbo in any form or shape.
All, EXTREMISM OF THE LEFT (Communism) AND THAT OF THE RIGHT (Nazism) ARE DIFFERENT SIDES OF SAME COIN WHICH THE 21ST CENTURY WORLD DO NOT WANT TO TRADE IN.
Be it in America or elsewhere in the world, recent history has shown that for any country/people/race to move forward, it needs those in Bill Clinton's mold who took the BEST from each camp and REJECTED the worst from each camp. Period.
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I am shell shocked to read from the goddamned book worms who cannot differentiate what is essay and what is fiction? What is Libral views and what is conservative views? Or substituting extremism as having a conservative views. Bits me
Igbos are librals and the Hausas as conservative yet the Hausas are the most backward, reppellent less priviledged -welfare dependent citizens in Biafranigeria. While the later banks on self determination and holds republican views in every aspect of thier lives.
"Ask not what your "government" can do for you but what you can do for your "govenment" John F. Kennedy, America's most cheerished and graceful libral. Have another one....The welfare state is the the single most visible enslavement of the less priviledged, it is saying that they cannot fein for themselves but to depend on the government to solve all their problems......He instituted a new program called Welfare to Work Program, work over hand outs. His name is William Jefferson Clinton, America's most progressive and intelligent President known as the "Come back Kid". The same President also went to a brief war against Iraqi
Ironically, both Presidents are Democrats. Can you tell if they sound libral, holds conservative view, extremism or simply good politics? I also wonder why the hell they call Republican party,the party of Abraham Lincoln? Something to think about.
Hail Biafra
[ December 17, 2002, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: Waypoint1Biafra ]
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I wanted to know why you think that you are a conservative. Now if you can tell us what those principles are that makes a southern biafranigeria (instead of the northern muslims as the nigerian press call those lazy hausas) a conservative, then I will stand corrected. I know that their might be some elements of strict Discipline that an Igbo parent instills on his children i.e. hard work, etc. but is that the same as the conservative politics that is played by the white middle class and super rich in America? Now their are those nigerians that listen to Rush Lymboure(sp) and think that they are conservative because they can regurgitate what Rush says and I hope that you will not play that.
Ednut:
I was hoping that you had a doctrinal basis for, or a universal conception of, conservative ideology with which you could compare my own political leanings or worldview. Don't you think that you need to completely express both positions so that your readers would have a coherent context within which to understand your scrutiny of my politics?
For the record, I do not agree that the Hausa-Fulani North is conservative. I think that they are simply backward and crude, bordering on bestial. Therefore, your Nigerian analog to conservatism fails to provide a context in which I could reasonably discuss my politics.
Additionally, although I did not know that the talk-show host, Rush Limbaugh, was still on the air, I was conservative before there was Rush Limbaugh talk-show. Besides, Rush Limbaugh should better be described as a tool for fostering sectional loyalty to the Republican Party for election purposes, than a spokesman for conservatism, or even Republican Party philosophy.
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When we talk about conservativism, are we mixing Fiscal Conservatives, with Social Conservatives, with Religious Conservatives etc..
The Party that Lincoln Presided over was the Republican Party at a time when it represented the North-Eastern industrialist establishment which tended to be more Fiscally conservative but more inclined to social liberalism. They could afford to be socially liberal because their economy was buoyed by manufacturing, production, and industrial innovation.
Contrast their industrial advances to Jefferson Davis's Lazy Confederate south which tended to be more fiscally moderate but Socially Conservative since their economy was highly driven by slaves operating the cotton plantations which produced great wealth for the Landed gentry who saw a necessity to maintain a social strata that favored them using social conservative values as an enforcement mechanism.
All in all, having reviewed the impact of economy on Social versus Fiscal inclinations vis-a-vis Conservative or Liberal values, one would be totally remiss to ignore the role of Race into the mix, for it is the Impact of Race in the continent of North America which differentes the way an American understands the word "Conservatism" as opposed to "liberalism"
My short and long of it all is that when a white American is talking to you about the word "conservative" you have to thoroughly look at their background and inclination. If he is a Socially conservative Southerner who was previously a Democrat turned Republican, feel free to substitute the words "Conservative Republican" for "Confederate Republican" a-la-KKK.
An underestimation of the differential between these two descriptions above has led many a (Fiscally, Socially, Religiously) Conservative African to allign themselves wrongly with Republican values such as espoused by Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Trent Lott, echetram...echetram
On the other hand if you should encounter a Conservative Democrat, look carefully! If he is from the NorthEast or New England, He or She is probably the same type of conservative you would identify with, be you a Fiscally, Socially, or Religiously Conservative African.
The exception would be if the individual is a Southerner e.g an Alabamian or a Texan, if so, the individual is just waiting for the party to reallign again to the Jefferson Davis ideal and would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into "Lincolns Party". Look for this type to vote a straight republican ticket even though he or she is too risk averse to actually change party. If you are a black Democrat and legislation comes up for voting and you think you have an ally? you'd be better off to go get you a rattlesnake for an ally unless what you're voting for is strictly meant for their greater benefit only.
The only Fiscal or Social conservative you could really hope to trust 100% therefore ends up being a Libertarian.
But watch out he or she may have a loaded shot gun slung over their shoulders (for game hunt'n), and they would not hesitate to use it on you. they are usually from Montana or Wyoming and their religion (NRA) forbids bringing your gun home with the bullets still unused. Because they are true Conservatives or liberals by definition, you cant usually tell where their votes would go unless the Votee supports the NRA.
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------- "An underestimation of the differential between these two descriptions above has led many a (Fiscally, Socially, Religiously) Conservative African to allign themselves wrongly with Republican values such as espoused by Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Trent Lott, echetram...echetram"--- Ukaobasi. --------------------------------------------------
Ukaobasi: Thanks once again for bringing your well of wisdom to bear on this debate. Need I say again that you speak for MAJORITY OF IGBOS around the world.
Damian, Waypoint: That one is a liberal politically does not mean he/she believes or leaves on government largess. And that one is a moral "conservative" like yours truly does not mean he/she is MUST be xenophobic, racially or religiously.
While you guys are often quick to find the Northerners (for reasons which are not far-fetched) as soft target for your "liberation struggle," truth of the matter is that the Yorubas (most whom are so-called christians) cannot do anything in Nigeria of today without reling on either their Local, State or "Baba,s" central government for UNDUE patronage. Despite their somewhat LESTIST political leaning, does their dependency attitude make them less depended as the typical "consevative" Northerner? The answer is NO.
Always mixing oranges and apples as some of you often do here in a futile effort to ALWAYS be RIGHT and make OTHERS GUILTY is in itself OLD fashioned and the worst type of "conservatism." Infact, that is NOT being a conservative in the true sense of the word, rather it is EXTREMISM of the worst sort.
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I see the making of a great debate. It was easy for Damian to politely ignore the questions from Ednut because, as usual, Ednut asked those questions in his first language, Ebonics, which I don't think Damian understands. LOL! Now that Ukaobasi has refined them, I don't think it will be quite so easy for Damian to avoid the questions buried in Ednut's Ebonics.
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Thanks for the kind compliment. even though my posting was purposely laced with doses of anecdote all meant to lighten up the tone of the whole discussion.
In any case, we all digressed from what Brother Damian had started to discuss with this thread except for brother Waypoint and brother NwaAro who addressed it somewhere above.
Brother Damian had assessed that George Dubya is now cleared to sweep into a second term with the exit of Al Gore, and on face value, it does look as if the twin specters of Saddam and OsamaBin are enough of a fear factor for attorney general Ashcroft to manipulate in corraling voters towards the Republicans who are seen as the guarrantors of National security in times of crisis.
Furthermore, when you look at the likely candidates that the Democrats seem to be preparing to field, they all seem despite their sterling careers so lackluster that they don't even stand a ghost of a chance against a popular and charismatic Dubya who seems to have come into his own.
Dubya is indeed probably going to get a second term as I cannot see the Republicans hesitating from milking this war thing for all its worth. But we've seen wonders happen before; Carter came in as a darkhorse against an incumbent Vice president/President Ford, and George Dubya himself came in against a popular Al Gore, not to talk of the antics of the Comeback kid as mentioned above.
I guess this is one of those cases where one would have to say "it aint over till the fat lady sings" (apologies to all fat ladies)
For all the overtures that Dubya is making toward Minorities though, (and despite their rejection of him twice now) I'm begining to andgle toward him as I have the sense that he is genuine, given how surgically he was able to sever the racist influence of Robert Pauken and the rabid Religious conservatives without any adverse repercussions while he was still the Texas governor.
All in all if the Lady senator from New York ends up winning the Democratic primaries, no amount of wooing will get me to vote Republican even if Lott apologizes another 200 times.
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Are you the Don King of this thread? Why can't you join the debate instead of playing Mr. Show Promoter?
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