I am happy to join this forum after all my writing in Nigeriaworld disappeared on Saturday. I hope the admin people over here are fair to all. Nigeria is our country!!
___________________ - Cherish your Odus, fear my Odus - Posts: 15 | From: France | Registered: Jan 2003
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Welcome. Is it true that all our intellectual stuff was lost at NigeriaWorld.com?
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos Posts: 2644 | From: United Kingdom | Registered: Apr 2001
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Abeg make you no play with us like that. The bobo wey get naijaworld.com na another okoro man. No be so? Me I think say the bobo sell that forum and one day you go go to Idumota and the forum go tanda there dey look you for eye.
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First, let me thank the operators for lifting my ban. I have always thought that censorship was detrimental to meaningful discourse. I was banned even before I made one post.
Big Tunde:
Are you suggesting that only your posts were deleted? I went to that forum last weekend and it seems to me that everything was deleted.
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The gist from the grapevine is that the Nigerian government may have ask them to destroy all the messages in the board. It said that most of the posts are inimical and dangerous for the survival of the present dispensation and could inflame and set the nation on fire. Funny people. Who amongst us in the IT business that doesn't know about backing up data and achieving old files.
Welcome to BNW Tunde and Big Tunde. Please do not spell my handle backward.
___________________ Feel me? Ofu onye ana asi unu abia go. - Ednut Igbo-American . www.airamericaradio.com visit her. Posts: 2447 | From: Mother Earth | Registered: Mar 2001
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I am glad to see that members of this forum are so magnanimous and they are not gloating about about Chuck Odili's tragedy at egbeomooduduwa.com. But, we have to also understand that Chuck stole our writing, our "intellectual stuff" as Ohafia called it; he stole them from us and he kicked us out. It seems that a higher authority has forced him to disgorge what he took wrongfully. I am saddened any time any body of writing is lost. But, it was members of BNW that wrote nearly everything that made egbeomooduduwa.com what it was. It was wrong for Chuck Odili to steal their writing from them in the name of censorship.
___________________ The Ikenga Shall Never Fall Again Posts: 110 | Registered: Mar 2001
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Egbeomo have been on a life support for a long time, I guess they finally pull the plug and relieve her of her misery. When Chuck Odili started selling our email address to the highest bidder that was when I know that tory don get K leg, now the roose have come home finally.
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It's good to see all the people coming here from egbeomooduduwa.com. But, I hope that some of you are not just crazy spies. If you are, you will soon be on the run.
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I was wondering about "Big Tunde" because I don't remember him from egbeomooduduwa.com. But, then I was only at egbe for one day before my post was said to be too long and I was banned.
Say, Opon, my man, I don't remember "Opon Ifa" either.
bababoyz:
Are you sure that those "intellects" you speak of would agree with you that Ohafia is "rottening away?" Posts: 61 | Registered: Mar 2001
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You and "Big Tunde" switched your handles when you escaped to BNW. But, your masks at either location are not as mysterious as you both seem to believe.
[ January 22, 2003, 11:17 AM: Message edited by: Dave ]
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I have always believed in diversity. One factor of many that has made this county[BNW] a pop culture and Nigeria World a fiction is the provocation of free expression and the inclusion rather than the exclusion of Yellow bellies,wounded warriors [Biafrans], the reppellent skunks and the parasitic race, Hausa/Fulani. Yes, we have to have all defects for a viable exhange of views and opinion. However Big you claim to be, I say Welcome Big Tunde, . I am always willing to listen to a yellow belly and why you think Waypoint 1 is not a one way ticket out of Dutch city.
Hail Biafra
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I am happy that one outpost for unpatriotic Nigerians has vanished. This one will be next.
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Methinks, bababoyz is just jealous because all the superstars moved to BNW, leaving behind nothing but newbies without a track record.
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While we were there, we turned egbeomo.com into an intellectual graveyard for Igbo haters. Now, JAVA has turned it into an unmarked Internet grave. It is good, and it is bad.
It is proper that the hate and charred evil thoughts of some of the persons at that forum should be consigned to the trash heap of Internet history. But, it would have been better for posterity to have access to their wretched ashes. Now, even that is gone. This strange occurrence will afford Mobolaji Aluko and his ilk the opportunity to cook up more false data, and label them the "archive of egbeomooduduwa.com messageboard."
___________________ No Biafran will be permitted to play Mother Theresa to the Yoruba and Hausa-Fulani, but play Osama Bin Laden to the Igbo or Biafrans! Posts: 1182 | Registered: Mar 2001
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Omar, if Petriotism is the act of religious conviction,death by public humiliation, richness by loot, poverty by act of Mohammed and if it measures Providence by it's own little contracted model of downing of Isioma by death, I will be damned.
I have never since my birth heard or read about a desert rat[hausa man] whose Petriotism goes beyond their region. Almost every organization here in the US and England bearing the name 'Nigeria" is either Biafran or Oduduwa. I wonder what will happen when the life support [oil]is cut off? I guess that would be unpetriotic, right stupid?
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"Unmarked Internet grave" indeed. And, I might add, a grave that the owner dug and burried himself in.
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The imbecile Ikpatt will never stop thanking "ogachuks"for letting down a bunch of never do well.
___________________ He likened the second coming of Christ to the realisation of the Biafran dream, stating that at a time people least expect, the much sought Biafra would be a reality..Rev. Fr. Cornelius Ezeiloaku Posts: 622 | From: santiago, chile | Registered: Jan 2002
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For your information, there are many reasons why this place matters. Here, no opinion is diluted in order to be heard unlike Chuck Odili's bias egbeomooduduwa. Here, we stuck by our guns and express ourselves clearly without fear of intimidation, banning unlike Odili's egbeomo where an array of hatred for all forms of censorship, blacklisting is the order of the day.
But my problem with egbeomo is the Igbo traitors who would come out of their hiding huts whenever new Igbo killings and disturbances resurfaces. People like Figaro and his group of nationalists who demands a dissolution of Biafranigeria when there is a riot or routine wanton killings of our kit and kin, but would not admit the bastardized nation has never existed as an entity. Talk about living in self denial and being used as a rubber stamp by their masters. What a bunch of sellouts!
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All of you are just unhappy that Nigeriaworld.com messageboard was destroyed. Why can't you just admit it? You are doing garagara. Posts: 67 | From: Philadelphia, PA | Registered: Jul 2001
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quote: This story is that Mr Odili has been bought out by agents of the Nigerian Government who feel uncomfortable with the heavy dose of criticism on the old messageboard. Mr Odili is said to be a relation of one of Obasanjo’s staunchest supporters, the Governor of Rivers State, Mr Peter Odili and that the idea was that Mr Odili of Nigeriaworld was paid to discontinue that board now that the election is near so as not to influence people against the Government.
Could this be what happened? It is rather long but intereting read all the same. Festus New Member
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yesterday, a friend of mine, “The Dame” main her maiden post on the messageboard for with the following piece:
“AMIDST THE PRAISE, LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD
In my opinion, the members of this board, or should I say the re-registering members of the old messageboard have been very magnanimous in their reaction to the loss of their many hours, days, weeks, months and years of contributions. To say that I am disappointed will be an understatement.
I was not a member of the old messageboard by choice, but I have actively followed the discussions and I also belong to a pool of non-contributors who actively discuss some of the contributions on the various threads. In fact, I can say without a tinge of exaggeration that the old messageboard was our source of news and education on political and current affairs in Nigeria. We had been using the old messageboard for the last two and a half years.
I have read the Administrator’s post informing us about the loss of the old messageboard and its content, but I cannot help observing that it contains no apology of any sort to members (especially the senior members) who have lost so much here and to Nigerians who have come to be dependent on the site, neither does it contain a statement as to what he has done to prevent a repeat.
If Mr Odili thinks that this board is his private affair, he better wake up to the truth. It is now an institution, sustained by public trust. People have conferred respectability on it and, indeed, there is a level of legitimate expectation on their part that those who run the affairs of the site would do so judiciously. The Administrator is not doing anyone a favour; this is a business and the membership of the board is part of his bargaining chips, so to speak.
The reason for my disquiet is simple. It is very improbable that he could lose all the data, including the back-up in one fell swoop and then claim that he is unable to recover the lost data. It just does not happen that way, not in this day and age! There are two issues I would like to address separately:
1) the supposed lack of an effective back-up server; and 2) the irrecoverability of the data
1) A primary school child using the computer knows or is taught that you must back-up your work. By Mr Odili’s own admission the traffic on the messageboard is continuously growing (it grew 16% in December 2002). That said, how come he had not upgraded the server and its backup in the last year or so to ensure that it could cope with the anticipated traffic especially as he had had previous incidents when the service has been offline, the last one, not quite two weeks ago?
It is inconceivable that an organisation of the stature of Nigeriaworld.com does not have an effective back-up server or that it could lose such data without a trace! Does he not have disaster recovery files? Small organisations know to back-up their data at least once a week. Larger organisations are expected to carry out their back-up daily. In such cases, the most you can expect to lose is only the data input since the last back up. If a disaster recovery plan is in place, even if the building housing the server(s) burns down, you can still get the business up and running within the next few days (e.g. when the World Trade Center Twin Towers came down, the organisations involved had their business up and running in different locations within days – the exception being the organisation that had its main files and its disaster recovery files on two different floors of the Twin Towers!).
2) The claim that the data is irrecoverable is also troubling. Even if your hardware breaks down and you do not have a back-up (which is inconceivable) you should still be able to recover most of the data as the database should be on a separate SQL server.
Whatever the case though, Mr Odili should be able to recover the data. The police and other investigators are able to recover files that have been actively deleted from the hard drives (e.g. Enron, Andersen, J P Morgan, the current paedophile cases etc). I am surprised that Mr Odili is saying nothing about recovering the data, making it seem as if its loss is foreclosed.
SPECULATIONS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Following the “loss” of the old messageboard and the launch of this new messageboard, I have received calls and had a few discussions with fellow Nigerians and it is troubling what people are now saying. Regardless of how unlikely or unbelievable the stories are, one issue does give cause for concern and I believe that Mr Odili should also be very concerned as it goes to the very heart of what he is trying to build and indeed, affects his own reputation.
This story is that Mr Odili has been bought out by agents of the Nigerian Government who feel uncomfortable with the heavy dose of criticism on the old messageboard. Mr Odili is said to be a relation of one of Obasanjo’s staunchest supporters, the Governor of Rivers State, Mr Peter Odili and that the idea was that Mr Odili of Nigeriaworld was paid to discontinue that board now that the election is near so as not to influence people against the Government.
There are many variations to this story, but this is essentially what is being said and the fact that Mr Odili was able to come up with a brand new and improved site in such a short time seems to fuel the speculation the more, because in some of the versions this is being interpreted as evidence of a premeditation and pre-planed action. I do not know if Mr Odili is already aware of these stories, but I think this is about his own personal reputation and the struggle he’s gone through to create Nigeriaworld. He must seek to disprove these speculations and allay peoples' fears. There’s still a chance.
In as much as I prefer not to deal in assumptions and to look for hard evidence, I must confess that, in my opinion, based on his postings so far, Mr Odili has not provided a good enough reason to accept what has happened as an act of God. In my opinion, the loss of the old messageboard and the many years of valuable data have not done Mr Odili’s reputation an iota of good (regardless of what the members are saying).
For one, it has demystified Nigeriaworld.com and has reduced it to one of those “unpredictable Nigerian enterprises”. Secondly, a few of us have used the site as an archive for information on Nigeria on issues contributors have dealt with at one time or another. Now, all that record, and the contributors’ hard work, we are told is gone…
To conclude, I would like to call on Mr Odili to do all he can to recover what he is telling us is now lost. It cannot be lost in this day and age and with the level of technological advancement available. It is too valuable to destroy in one fell swoop! He must put his reputation on the line to get the data things back! If he does not recover the data, he would be giving the conspiracy theorists a field day and it would only be a matter of time before the website itself goes to the dogs, for who will want to undertake many hours of research and writing only for someone down the line to say there is nothing to show for their contributions? Mr Odili has to decide what he really wants to achieve – to protect the idea he has nurtured or to let it go the way of most of the Nigerian experiments.
I know that this contribution of mine may seem controversial, but Mr Odili and indeed, all message board members must understand where I’m coming from. I have sat and read all the ‘condolences’ and words of encouragement being sent around, but that should not stop us facing the facts. I am doing this out of respect and I hope Mr Odili must see it as such.
Best regards”
Within a couple of hours of the posting, at least two people had made responses to the message (Mallam Radicat and J.Rahman). However, by this morning, the thread had been deleted. A check through the membership list also indicate that my friend, “The Dame”, had been banned from the board. Why this kind of negative censorship?
I am one of those who has been as troubled about developments here and it really does not matter that I have made very few posts previously since my joining in 2000 (not under this current handle). This type of censorship is wrong and it is worse that people are keeping quiet about it. What moral rights do contributors on the board have to criticize Obasanjo and the Nigerian government if this kind of unbridled censorship is condoned.
Someone has to tell Mr Odili the truth.
I know Mr Odili would likely delete this again and ban me as well; this does not matter. The truth must be told.
And, for the rest of you, I say, the bell may indeed be tolling for you. Even your own credibility as true commentators on national affairs is at stake.
You must tell Mr Odili that this kind of censorship is the wrong one. It’s about free speech. If he wishes, let him respond, not delete materials he does not like or just ban people like that. He is making the money he is making because people are coming to his site and the messageboard appears to be the most vibrant. It is a symbiotic relationship, not one-sided.
He must also show some responsibility. And those who really love him (not sycophants) must let him see it. If the object is to save this messageboard and help keep its place in the minds of Nigerians, Mr Odili must be told the truth by those of us who use the board.
If he deletes this again and fail to restore the membership of my friend, then I’ll know he’s not ready to learn the necessary lessons.
___________________ If we tried to sink the past beneath our feet, be sure the future would not stand. Posts: 20 | From: Uwani, Enugu | Registered: Jun 2001
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The Dame's analysis is on point. Chuck Odili should not have lost more than 24-hours worth of posting as a result of the crash. But, I don't know why it took her/him so long to complain about censorship. A great many in this forum joined after being censored over there.
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The trouble here is that we are looking at a very arrogant person. As we know, not even one single byte of data has ever been lost at BNW due to a software or hardware event. If Chuck did not know how to protect and preserve data, he could have contacted BNW for help. I have been told that at some point during the crisis, some of the data could have been recovered. But, chuck was too arrogant to ask BNW for help. Pride goes before a fall.
Those waiting for an apology from the egbeomooduduwa.com tyrant will be disappointed. The arrogance with which he deletes posts critical of him suggests that he may even have deleted the message board quite deliberately for financial or other reasons.
Peerless:
You should invite the author of that piece to join BNW, the freedom train. I just took a look at egbeomooduduwa.com. Most of the people that are re-registering there are Odili's core group of sycophants. Don't expect them to protest the banishment of that writer.
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