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Nwannem Nwabiafra, My opinion is that this money thing is bringing a lot of distraction here, afterall our Ikemba is not the only person contesting for the Presidency and his money drive should not be in an open forum, this does not show any respect to the Igbo nation, infact, to my opinion, this is briging the whole process to ridicle, you can imagine that adewusi fool being asked to donate to an Ikemba fund. my brother, we can find other ways to achieve our aims than bringing our strategies to the open unless if we don't mean what we are saying. I am even ready to travel back home for some weeks inother to show my full suport to the Igbo project.
Ogbunigwe; In all fairness, you have been going too far about this Ojukwu's presidency project, if you are so objected to that, what is your alternative?.
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"we can find other ways to achieve our aims than bringing our strategies to the open"
Okwyonwuka,
Please do tell what the other ways are. If you prefer you can PM me. I will wait your response be it here or through PM.
I'm happy to hear that you have the time to go home and show your support. Unfortunately most of us in here cannot do that. The only way for them to show support is via the fundraising donation and contribution.
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Okwyonwuka my brother, unfortunately I am only accountable to those who have actually sacrificed their resources to achieve their dream. They and only they can accuse me or NwaBiafra of stealing their funds. I did not expect any less when we started this drive and those who have answered the call know what length we have gone to retain their trust. The other option was to sit here, read and write beautiful articles on BNW hoping that by some magic my hopes and desires for Ndigbo will materialize. I am ready to take all the mud slinging and accusations anybody can muster on this issue, it is to be expected.
You and your comrades do not have to make chiboy and Nwa Biafra rich, but don’t let that stop you from doing something. I know for sure the guys on the ground need your help however you can get it to them. The worst thing you can be in life is an armchair activist. If you believe in Ikemba then do something to help him, don’t use Chiboy and Nwa Biafra as a cheap excuse for your inaction. Those who are risking their money are smart enough to know when they have been taken for a ride,let them be the ones to complain.If the management of BNW thought we were out to defraud anyone I doubt they will let the campaign start here in the first instance.
First Dr. B complained that the drive was not open enough now you okwyonwuka think it is not secret enough. The other day in Abuja some BiafraNigerians including some Ndi Igbo gathered at a hotel and donated over 2 billion naira to Aremu’s campaign. It was all over the papers and the Obusonjo campaign people did not feel ridiculed to be begging for funds. Now all of a sudden you and your comrades have decided it is a thing of shame for people to raise money for Ikemba. How is he going to unify Ndigbo without the neccessary resources ? Okwyonwuka once again do something don’t let me stop you, please do something.
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Okwyonwuka, Your last post have just confirmed that u haven't read anything I said on that matter. I don't I need to say more here.
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Your negetive remarks about APGA/Ojukwu on this board, which you cast as diverse opinion, frames you as a thoroughly mis-educated man, particularly in terms of Ojukwu/Biafra. This symptom of misinformed opinion often shows up among unsuspecting Igbo/Biafran readers of Lagos/Ibadan press, who have spent a great deal of time mindlessly gobbling up the convoluted logic that is a stable on the scandal sheets controlled by chauvinist Yoruba commentators. The elite in western BiafraNigeria has long made a song and dance about Ojukwu/Biafra going to war without guns and grains. Clearly this argument is self-serving and holds no water except to cowards, of course. But it is useful for a tribe criticized for shrinking too often or acting irritional under pressure - like Olusegun Obasanjo is doing today - to downplay evidence of Ojukwu's towering leadership skills and the achievements of Biafra as a way to save face and redeem a history of underachieving, uninspiring political and military record.
The real reason Odumegwu Ojukwu or any Igbo is a threatening opponent is of course fear! The Yoruba leadership feels that it is in competition with the Igbo for the control of the professions in BiafraNigeria. As ridiculous as this sounds, it appears that the Yoruba elite is yet to come to the realization that it is to the benefit of the entire black race to support Odumegwu Ojukwu in his efforts to unleash the abundant creative energy that lays dormant in the Igbo/Biafran culture. In a value system that is based on competition, Ojukwu's candidacy for the president of Yoruba/Hausa-misruled BiafraNigeria would be hailed as God-sent - not unlike FDR taking control of America in the midst of the depression.
However, it is one thing for the outsider to seek to sabotage the Igbo initiative for crude, primordial and tribal reasons, but when an Igboman takes part in this enemy action, it becomes a matter of self preservation to voice alarm at this trend, particularly when the action is presented in dangerously benign terms like expressing diverse opinion. Most Igbos/Biafrans have agreed that the task at hand is to build up the support base for APGA/Ojukwu and to provide the resources necessary to achieve self determination during the upcoming dust-up with the nigerians, which looks likely to include a real war this time around. The majority of Biafrans here and on the ground in BiafraNigeria does not trust any other political outfit except APGA/Odumegwu Ojukwu to win this fight. This should be clear enough objective. But I must say frankly that your contributions on this board so far is not very useful for this course of action. Sorry!
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Egede and ogbunigwe, Steve Opara has stated clearly what biafrans are waiting for- a clear articulation of this counter opinion. For crying out loud, limping from one party to another cannot in any way represent the Igbo position as suggested by your friend. Before you start screaming gangup and censorship, here is what free speech has done to men:"before the stakeholders of APGA submitted registration forms to INEC, there was no time they informed Ndigbo that the party should be an umbrella for the Ndigbo politically", you thought this up too! And since we are standing logic on its head we can also presume that the stakeholders of NDP informed the Igbos before their registration with INEC that the party will be an umbrella for the Igbos politically, and by extension PDP, ANPP or where ever you and your friend crawl into next. Why we should not approach the keyboaerd with trepidation, commonsense surely should serve as a guide. Jumping from one thread to another avoiding facts like a mole scurring from light, vindicates my long held belief that the damage the Biafranigeria rulership has done over the years to its citizenry while repeatedly estimated in material terms is far worse in mental ruins. It is all too obvious the cycle of ABUSE which the one nigerian 'ibos' play out with their hausa yoruba masters, this is not any different from a battered housewife remaining in an abusive marriage. It is now common that some clown, in the proverbial wrestle with his chi, comes to BNW to cry his heart out about his one nigerianess, and when ignored or dispatched moves to nigerianworld to suck up to his inferiors in the name of debate. What better example of the victim's largese than the case of mr asonye who now states that his his hausa based cousins reassured him of the kindness of the average hausa and that it was a few of the bad ones that killed them; talk about the lambs pity for the the wolf; and by this he concludes all is well with one nigeria. And our latest hero mr mbadinuju, who brought anarmbra state to its knees, now yanked from his governorship by aremu is celebrating the promise of an ambassordorial post( is there anything about ambassordor and efulefu in Igbo land, one remembers the plenipotential one ko). If what we stand for is not to your taste, state the alternative or scurry to the dark side with other moles where you are safe from light and truth. You can listen to all the yoruba excuses for cowardice but believe me: " i have seen the death of cowards it was neighter swift nor painless, it lingers still the laughter of deep red earth"
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Chiboy my brother, I have not accused you or Nwabiafra of defrauding anydbody or group of people, that is far from my thinking as I consider both of you credible men and brothers in our strugle to freedom,if you understand otherwise, please accept my sincere apologies. but then,I most insist that this kind of fundraising had nearly turn this forum apart the last time, what I said was my personal opinion and has nothing to do with the way anyother person thinks or feel about the whole issue, having considered the name callings, insults, accusation and counther accusation that has been going since the inception of this fund drive, my iritation was drived from the conviction that name calling is not the way to go about unity rather it represents a political imaturerity on our side since we are playing into the hands of the enemy, maybe, if this is not halted now may as well digenerate into an urgly picture at this critical time for Ndigbo, I felt that there whould have been a wider consultation on an issue such as people donating their money which is not bad itself, under a true consultation, it my belive that there will be voluntures who will chose to work on the field and even bring a greater awareness among the general Igbo public and progresive minded Nigerians, it is also on my opinion that all should be carried along even the disidenting voices in other to achieve our overall and common goal which is Igbo unity and Biafran actulisation. Nwa Biafra, How do you arrive to the conclution that all should assemble at the exclusive call to action forum even when most pro-Biafran activist had not been admited or consulted on such previous forums on this site, the more we learn to work togethere and untill then, the result will always remian the same.
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Let me sound it clear and loud that some of you who have arrogated the fight of the Ndigbo to be limited to and around Ojukwu are very deluded. This assumed endeavor spells lack of knowledge and myopic approach to human nature. It is very naïve to insinuate that anybody is afraid of Ojukwu politically. Please, do not console yourselves with this ridiculous conjecture. It must be recalled that this is not the first time Ojukwu had dabbled into politics and was completely wiped in his senatorial district by an unknown physician who resided in Owerri. There is no doubt that Ojukwu is a man of letters bounded with his academic prowess but had failed times without numbers to translate such rare gift of nature into leadership package. He failed woefully in Aba when he was ADO to Chief Jerome Udorji. He could not resolve the simple dispute between the people of Ipu South that included Uzoaku, Obigbo, Umuagbayi and Owazza and court messengers (Courtyman) whose duty was to collect taxes in Asa County Council Area. It was this rift, among others, out of this simple assignment to ADO that forced Ojukwu to join the army. Again in the army, his lack of leadership failed not only him but also entire Ndigbo. The only thing worthy of mention from Ojukwu’s leadership was the declaration of Biafra, which of course, he accomplished in conjunction with other eastern Nigerian leaders. Other than this timely declaration of Biafra, I beg you spare us this nonsense about Ojukwu’s leadership,
I have personally campaigned that Biafran/Nigerian civil war has not ended. My opinion is informed from two agenda. They are issues of Abandon Property in Port harcourt solely used to lure the minorities to the Nigerian side and the draconian boundary adjustment executed mainly to exceed crude oil producing areas of Igboland to the communities of the ethnic minorities in the then eastern Nigeria. I have written extensively on these issues and opined that the only logical way to settle these issues should be on the battlefield. Anything short of this route is simply beating about the bush.
NwaBiafra, Chiboy, Amadi O. and nmadike I shall vote for any of you before considering casting my vote for Ojukwu. Unfortunately, I do not subscribe to One-Nigeria as it is presently constituted and belong to no political party. I could only imagine how hot the issue of Ndigbo is raging in your hearts. I had also behaved in the same manner when passing through other sites when Ndigbo are slightly subjected to any form of disdain. In my organization, we are raising fund geared toward ……. operation in order to claim what rightfully belongs to Ndigbo. I am amazed and peeved that Ojukwu has kept absolutely mute on these issues that could have set Nigerian polity ablaze especially in Igboland.
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Guys, I think this thread has been awfully distracted.
Please, let's stick to the point ie Udenwa V Izuogu.
Egede1:
I like you a lot, especially your ability to drop names of people and places to back up your point. But, do you not think the reason Ojukwu lost to Onwudiwe was the same reason Zik lost to Shagari in ANAMBRA State in the same 1983?
Please meet me at the Ojukwu thread.
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Egede1, that was well articulated. My views were very similar to yours with regard to Ojukwu. I decided to remain mute and see how he performs. It seems that most Ndigbo still have strong sentimental attachment to Odumegwu myself included. I'd praise and defend him anywhere when he's subjected to unfair criticisms/attacks. I was born some years after the war so I don't know about the things that transpired in those towns you mentioned. They were local issues and that's probably why I never came across them. The sad part is that most forumites here assume him to be above mistakes and without flaw where as independent research pointed out gaping holes in his policies especially during the war. One of my recent disappointments with him was his faliure to criticize/reprimand those south-east governors especially Mbadinuju who has single handedly ruined Anambra state. We'll see if APGA wins the state. I thought that today Ndigbo should be able to produce new leaders and look beyond Ojukwu though he is still very relevant in our affairs. Unfortunately there isn't many of them around or perhaps we still don't know about them. I actually didn't like his recent advent into the muddled politics of nigeria but if he is the one that would bring about the much desired unity then so be it. At this moment, the realistic prospect of this unity is even very remote unless we go through another gruelsome round of killing and maiming of our people. I also agree with you that we can't have freedom on a platter of gold. Concrete steps need to be taken and acheiving unity among the igbo is the first and most important. I also beleive that eventual liberation cannot come by amicably since the no victor no vanquished speech by gowon is the direct opposite of our experience today.
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But Egede 1 just told us APGA does not exist in the east !! It looks like the Igbo massess are responding appropriately to Ikemba. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chiboy
If you know the curriculum vitae of Dr. Ezekiel Izuogu in Imo State, you should not be gloating or put any stock on this incident. There is no party Dr. E. Izuogu has never joined. He is simply a journeyman. Chiboy and APGA should lock him down before he bolts to another party. For the record, I am not a member of any political party in Nigeria. My opinions are self and independent.
And then you wrote again:
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I did not believe that APGA is struggling to find a base in the east until the tiding that Dr. Ezekiel Izuogu had joined the party hits the newsstand. Izuogu has been running around and chasing political shadow in Owerri since the days of Nwakama Okoro and Sam. Mbakwe. In fact, the last time I heard his name in the political circle, he was forming political party with Mr. Gani Fawehemi.
Egede1, that you can write such trash on Izuogu and then later Ojukwu clearly shows you are just being mischievious.
I was in the room when Dr Ezekiel Izuogu was asked to come "home" and transform Imo into a technologically advanced place. Sam Mbakwe was there. You can ask any other Igbo dignitary who attended the burial of loveday Ememe in Ukwa LGA. It was hard to get Zee Izuogu to roll up his sleeves and contest.
Dr Izuogu did not fancy himself as well equipped to fight in the rotten agberoic local level. His record in leadership, bridge-building and mobilisation at the national level is there for all to see. Izuogu was the Protem national leader of the Peoples' Solidarity party(PSP). The PSP beat all comers in meeting the NEC requirement before the gap-toothed Babankita scrapped all of them and formed his own SDP and NRC.
Izuogu began to mobilise for Imo State governorship under SDP. It was at the time Nzeribe was administering oath to Igbo aspiring to lead Igbo. Check the records, Izuogu refused to compromise and Nzeribe began to cause him all sorts of trouble. It was also at this point that Abia with influential Enyimba City was carved out of Imo.
The Imo SDP guber primary race was dirty to say the least. It ended in a stalemate between Izuogu and Alex obi(Nzeribe's candidate) after Prof Fabian Osuji(the initial Nzeribe candidate) had been disqaulified for scoring more votes than the number of registered SDP and NRC voters. Izuogu went on air and advised the Imo electorate to vote for Enwerem the NRC candidate. It was nasty, and the Mbaise compatriots are only just beginning to forgive Zee.
The only reason Izuogu has not become governor of Imo is because he is not wanted at the helm by the same forces that terminated Mbakwe's industrial revolution in Imo. Another thing,he is too principled to out-rig his opponents. Those of us from the Aba axis were ready to install him before abia creation since we only have contempt for Nzeribe and his croonies. The clown called Sam Eke (Samec) whom nzeribe put forward for Abia was humiliated at the polls as Aba shifted to NRC and Ogbonnaya onu just to show up Nzeribe. Those who want to see the evil of oath taking should take a hard look at Mbadinuju's anambra. Emeka offor wentt after him when he reneged on his oath and the state was the worse off for it.
Izuogu promised made in Imo cars etc etc and it is a matter of public records that he proved he meant it when his made in imo car the Zee60 was driven round before the world press by cry baby Diya.
It is disgraceful that a man like egede that has access to the internet will dismiss izuogu and what he brings to the office of governance in ala Igbo. I've just been informed that Onwuka Kalu(Okpuzu) of the Onwuka hitech fame is being drafted to run for the Abia government house.
These two chaps are solution oriented and I shall do my level best to support their aspirations.
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quote:Originally posted by Ohafia Udumeze: Egede1 and ogbunigwe:
I shall assist you guys to redirect this thread:
Egede, you wrote:
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But Egede 1 just told us APGA does not exist in the east !! It looks like the Igbo massess are responding appropriately to Ikemba. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chiboy
If you know the curriculum vitae of Dr. Ezekiel Izuogu in Imo State, you should not be gloating or put any stock on this incident. There is no party Dr. E. Izuogu has never joined. He is simply a journeyman. Chiboy and APGA should lock him down before he bolts to another party. For the record, I am not a member of any political party in Nigeria. My opinions are self and independent.
And then you wrote again:
quote: Chiboy
I did not believe that APGA is struggling to find a base in the east until the tiding that Dr. Ezekiel Izuogu had joined the party hits the newsstand. Izuogu has been running around and chasing political shadow in Owerri since the days of Nwakama Okoro and Sam. Mbakwe. In fact, the last time I heard his name in the political circle, he was forming political party with Mr. Gani Fawehemi.
Egede1, that you can write such trash on Izuogu and then later Ojukwu clearly shows you are just being mischievious.
I was in the room when Dr Ezekiel Izuogu was asked to come "home" and transform Imo into a technologically advanced place. Sam Mbakwe was there. You can ask any other Igbo dignitary who attended the burial of loveday Ememe in Ukwa LGA. It was hard to get Zee Izuogu to roll up his sleeves and contest.
Dr Izuogu did not fancy himself as well equipped to fight in the rotten agberoic local level. His record in leadership, bridge-building and mobilisation at the national level is there for all to see. Izuogu was the Protem national leader of the Peoples' Solidarity party(PSP). The PSP beat all comers in meeting the NEC requirement before the gap-toothed Babankita scrapped all of them and formed his own SDP and NRC.
Izuogu began to mobilise for Imo State governorship under SDP. It was at the time Nzeribe was administering oath to Igbo aspiring to lead Igbo. Check the records, Izuogu refused to compromise and Nzeribe began to cause him all sorts of trouble. It was also at this point that Abia with influential Enyimba City was carved out of Imo.
The Imo SDP guber primary race was dirty to say the least. It ended in a stalemate between Izuogu and Alex obi(Nzeribe's candidate) after Prof Fabian Osuji(the initial Nzeribe candidate) had been disqaulified for scoring more votes than the number of registered SDP and NRC voters. Izuogu went on air and advised the Imo electorate to vote for Enwerem the NRC candidate. It was nasty, and the Mbaise compatriots are only just beginning to forgive Zee.
The only reason Izuogu has not become governor of Imo is because he is not wanted at the helm by the same forces that terminated Mbakwe's industrial revolution in Imo. Another thing,he is too principled to out-rig his opponents. Those of us from the Aba axis were ready to install him before abia creation since we only have contempt for Nzeribe and his croonies. The clown called Sam Eke (Samec) whom nzeribe put forward for Abia was humiliated at the polls as Aba shifted to NRC and Ogbonnaya onu just to show up Nzeribe. Those who want to see the evil of oath taking should take a hard look at Mbadinuju's anambra. Emeka offor wentt after him when he reneged on his oath and the state was the worse off for it.
Izuogu promised made in Imo cars etc etc and it is a matter of public records that he proved he meant it when his made in imo car the Zee60 was driven round before the world press by cry baby Diya.
It is disgraceful that a man like egede that has access to the internet will dismiss izuogu and what he brings to the office of governance in ala Igbo. I've just been informed that Onwuka Kalu(Okpuzu) of the Onwuka hitech fame is being drafted to run for the Abia government house.
These two chaps are solution oriented and I shall do my level best to support their aspirations.
Ohafia Udumeze
My friend if I had written trash about Izuogu and Ojukwu, you are welcome to rebut it. It will not amount to anything if I start to cite my relationship with Chief O.C. Ememe’s family of Ogwe the father of late Dr. Loveday Ememe whose wife is from Nkwere. Your write up confirmed two things. First that Dr. E. Izuogu from Arondiuzogu has chased political shadow in Owerri since the era of Nwakama Okoro and Sam. Mbakwe as I have rightfully stated. Second that you are the one that is being mischievous. Every paragraph you have written in your post suggested that Izuogu a father Christmas and Aaron at the same time. He is a stakeholder in every political organization that passed through Imo and Abia Sates and never even held the position of a commissioner. It is either Izuogu was pushed out, denied his chance or his opponents were of dubious character. I am afraid that Dr. Ezekiel Izuogu is an engineer of reputable ingenuity but he is a political journeyman. He has tried several times to cut his teeth in elected office in Igbo land but had failed miserably. Do we have to flaunt our professional disciplines as you have done in case of Dr. E. Izuogu?
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Egede 1 I have to concur with Ohafia on this issue about Izuogu, just because Dr E Izuogu have not held a position in Imo state does not diminish his credentials. Yes the only reason Udenwa is occupying the state house in Owerri today, is because Mbaise never forgave Izuogu for what happened during IBB's merry go round. With the damage udenwa have done to Imo today, as a son of the soil from Mbaise I doubt seriously whether Mbaise people will not forgive and forget and give Izuogu a second chance.
Mr Egede I do believe in your freedom to choose which candidate to support, but where I draw the line, is on the insults and mischivalry you have engaged in against Ojukwu and APGA. You have every right to support Udenwa "itiri" Imo State and his People distruction Party PDP. By the way I didn't event that part "distruction", that is what your party is called in Imo State. Support Udenwa by all means but stopping insulting and attacking Ojukwu, APGA and those who support them. Even in 1979 many Igbos supported NPN even though NPP was the Party of majority of our people, but we did not witness this gutter language somebody like you who live in a democratic society is using today. In 1979 people were more civil to each other.
Even in 1979 many people dear to me were in NPN, Nwakama Okoro's running mate Dr Ugo is my in-law, My uncle Aba-Lagos Promoter ran under NPN, yet I worked for NPP as a polling stattion officer. Disagree with your opponent by all means, but please drop the insult and gutter language against Ojukwu and APGA. If I was in Nigeria today and all members of my family are in PDP, I will still work for Ojukwu and APGA. Not because I don't love my family, but because I strongly believe in Ojukwu and Igbo nation.
Ndi okenye si na "ahuru anyuru na enu gbara ijiji ghari" In my Arondizuogu dialect, this translates literally : the fart that is unleashed from on high has rendered a poor housefly confused/mesmerised.
Based on the number of historical details both confirmable and unconfirmable, such as the sheer quantity of heavy duty names and events that have been dropped on our collective heads in this thread (especially by bro/Mazi Egede1), I hasten to declare that I'm begining to feel quite like that proverbial housefly.
More importantly, we have to ask this question: are we missing the point altogether? OU tried to get us back on track by reminding us of the thread's main train of thought. before this, Steve Opara and Mmadike had touched on some points which Amadi O. drove home in his well articulated and eloquent home run of a piece.
I suggest we re-read what these gentlemen have written to regain a sense of the main gist as highlighted by this thread which though starting out to pronounce Udenwa/PDP's demise in comparison to Izuogu/APGA's entry, seems to celebrate more the hope that APGA as championed by Ojukwu would restore a sense of unity and pride among Igbo.
The ensuing assertion by Egede1 to the effect that Ojukwu is not all that he is cracked up to be and that by extension the APGA party is practically a nonentity according to a friend on the ground, created several impressions namely:
1.) An impression that Egede1 just recently making an appearance at BNW is out to burst the bubble without having previously offered any solutions 2.) An impression that Egede1 with his authoritative grasp of civics a-la politics/events/names is in posession of some caches of information which voluntarily disgorged would equip us to be more guarded and informed about our inclinations without being too overtaken by emotions.
Questions subsequently asked by Chiboy and NwaBiafra requesting Egede1 to proffer some solutions (instead of ridiculing APGA and Ojukwu and demeaning the support for APGA as "emotional") seem to confirm that these impressions about Egede1's postings were widely held.
Only in the second to last posting of Egede1 where he stated two positions of his where he believed Ojukwu could have galvanized Ndigbo better did he come close to addressing the torrent of questions and rebuttals which in the heated exchange gave Egede1 the sense that he was being putupon by the entire forum just for his divergence of opinion.
Having retraced this metamorphosis as I have been observing it and in my own opinion I still have some questions for Egede1 and some comments to make and I hereby apologize in advance that I will not drop any names (I dont have any to drop so please forgive me)
My questions are (and with utmost defference to Mazi Egede1):
1.) What shall we do about Igbo unity? 2.) Which candidate or personality in Igboland do you believe is a credible symbol for Ndigbo that can galvanize and articulate our aspirations and is widely acceptable to all? 3.) What structure do you believe needs to be installed that would achieve the aim of articulating and harnessing our collective aspirations no matter how divergent and giving it voice and positive direction? 4.) How best can the very intelligent and realistic suggestions which you profferred as positions which we must demand from our leaders be incorporated into the quest (especially during these elections) to gather our collective integrity and stop the haemmorhage of humiliation which has been our lot at the hands our fellow so-called Biafranigerians?
Bro/Mazi Egede, would you concede that you have been rather harsh on Ojukwu? You have obviously been following his track record since he was practically a baby based on the events you cited before he joined the army. You seem to imply that he has been a failure in politics and other achievements other than declaring Biafra and that those who support him in obliviousness to his alleged lack of achievement are the ones giving him relevance. Please tell me if I have overgeneralized your positions stated throughout this thread, I assure you it is not my intention brother, but I just want to know in order just to make this comment: Ever since the man Ojukwu was young he has made sacrifices for others. He is not God, therefore to place the heavy burdens and expectation of judging and second guessing every step he took since he was in his twenties would seem to be making him out to be God instead of a fallible human being. When we consider most of our so-called Igbo leaders today there is something so lacking as to constantly keep pushing Ojukwu to the fore as one who symbolizes Igbo pride and self respect and that is why he unfailingly attracts a following around him.
Is it so strange that many now see in his candidature an opportunity to gather together accross the spectrum of Igboland to lend some weight of support to a grand Heave-ho that might if anything at least lend us some much needed leverage?
This is the critical path to which Ojukwu has availed himself as a catalyst and which has reintroduced in all a desire to even show some interest previously lacking and one which our so called elders have been too preoccupied with shortsighted pursuits of self aggrandisement to even remotely attempt to ignite.
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Thanks for laying it down for all to see. You really touched on the vital issues in this thread. Egede 1 has dismissed Izuogu as a political journey man and ridiculed APGA for presenting him as their candidate. If you remember one of his first posts here was to admonish us for criticizing the so called leaders in public, I guess that does not apply to Izuogu and the APGA candidates. However I would like to know from Egede 1
-How many elections has Iwuanyanwu won in Igbo land, and how many parties has he joined since 1999 ? What qualifies him for our respect in BNW and why is he not also a political journey man?
-How many elections did K.O. Mbadiwe win in Igbo land including his famous loss of the Orlu senatorial zone to a lesser known NPP candidate and was he also a political journey man totally irrelevant in the Igbo political scene?
-Can we then now line up behind Nzeribe who has always been winning elections in Orlu just because by your definition he is not a journey man?
If Egede 1 is not going to tell us his preferred candidates or party to unify Ndigbo then at least he should let us know how to identify the messiah. I don’t want to believe Egede 1 is not interested in Igbo unity, my understanding is he just thinks Ojukwu is not the man. I will take my Ojukwu questions to another thread as Ohafia has suggested.
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Your post, without much word, confirmed that the cultural Igbo training given to you by your parents has not robbed off you. I thank you very much. Many respondents to the post have used derogatory words and disdainful adjectival clauses to dehumanize my person and any other persons that disagreed on Ojukwu and APGA. These tactless behaviors, displayed in the form of written abuses and emotional outburst without intellectual rebuttal to the diverse opinions, are the main reasons that subjugated Ndigbo to political awkwardness. I wished the solutions to the plight of Ndigbo in Nigeria were known to me hence there should be no discussion of this nature.
Like our people say “you do not learn how to use your left hand when you are old”. I would prefer to discuss Igbo Unity in a situation devoid of charged political emotions. In fact, I should feel free to deliberate on the touchy issue in a non-election year in Nigeria. I have sensed that the aspiration of Ndigbo to take hold of Nigerian presidency is at the level of fever pitch. A very good idea but a pathetic narrowed view indeed. However, the polity in Nigeria today showed that Ndigbo would not attain to that lofty expectation even with Ojukwu’s factor. APGA, my brother, is simply a clan party and had not grown into a regional party yet. I would like it to become the AD of the east. Unfortunately, it will not become a regional party by April 19, 2003 when the polls kick off in Nigeria. If APGA will be the vehicle of unity for Ndigbo, I am all for it. But we should also realize that ethnically oriented party might not find the doors at the Aso Rock.
With the current political dispensation in Nigeria, Ndigbo would have a better chance of the presidency in 2007 by defeating PDP and Obasanjo in 2003. Before I go into this hypothesis, I have to reiterate the fact that no political party in Nigeria is associated with me. Ndigbo should change the political alignment in Nigeria by voting for ANPP. The stakeholders in ANPP should nail down a political agreement that demands one term for Buhari or any subsequent aspirant. If this scenario is agreed upon, then Ndigbo will have to field presidential candidate in 2007 under the umbrella of ANPP. The only climb on this scenario will depend on how to rummage the political aspirations of many sons of the Ndigbo and the minorities in the south. Mind you, I do not like either Buhari or Okadigbo but they are the better known evils on the ground today. The alternatives make me cringe aloud because there is a possibility of another four years for Obasanjo and eight more years for Atiku or any other northern Nigerian the PDP may wish to field.
After this year’s elections, Ndigbo should as matter of urgency assemble a group or sought in Ohanaeze to deliberate the political future of their sons and daughters.
As for the harshness on Ojukwu, I have not started opening up the dossier on the gentleman yet. It is a misplaced and misguided attribution to arrogate to Ojukwu the precursor of sacrifices made for others. I hope the statement of sacrifices was not spurred by the rumor that flaunted the idea of using his father’s wealth in prosecuting the war.
For the record, I have not solicited for a respect on behalf of any Nigerian politician on the BNW. Also, unlike many contributors on BNW, I have not identified any person as my hero.
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Guys, I think this thread has been awfully distracted.
Please, let's stick to the point ie Udenwa V Izuogu.
Please meet me at the Ojukwu thread. ..................................................
I agree with that. Please can we take this debate to the appropriate thread. If not I will have to plead with to Nwokeoma to maybe close this thread if that is the only way to get us back to the issue at hand.
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As una don smoke Udenwa's secretary, who go be next? Maybe Ohafia Udumeze.
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UMU BIAFRA, Governor Achike Udennwa, to me, should step aside and give another person a chance to really do something for the people of Imo State. His bad reputation now with his people is enough for him to honorably bow out knowing fully well that he can no longer perform.
Chukwuma.
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