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Thanks for the "education", (no puns intended) and thanks for correcting my typos. I am currently going through my notes, and i will return, as usual, with the cold, hard facts.
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you are wasting your time arguing with some of this aggregation of political fringe-elements and wishful-thinkers. They are never going to engage you in an intellectual joust worthy of the name. There is nothing wrong with Igbo nationalism nor indeed any other form of ethnic nationalism as long as it is not presented as a morally, or otherwise, superior point of view that brooks no dissent.
Some of the characters here would have done a bettr job than Al-Sahaf, the Iraqi minister of "information". They have constructed a la-la land that will put that poor man to shame. I have decided to keep my gunpowder dry for now. Let OBJ's coming electoral triumph do the talking for now.
Ifa has spoken.
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Click here to view the links to all the posts you have made at BNW. It is easy to see that those posts are bereft of even the pretext to erudition; they comprise one liners and aimless and knee-jerk commentary. Yet, you feel confident in strutting around as an “intellectual,” spouting the particularly dubious claim that you have been deprived of the opportunity to engage in “intellectual joust.”
Frankly, I now find you disgusting. If some people in this forum consider themselves superior, your role here thus far has only served to vindicate them. Keep your “gunpowder dry.” But, take care that it does not blow up in your face when you attempt to use it against others.
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We await Aremu's "landslide victory" in all it's majesty, and life in sugar candy land for the Yoruba's thereafter. Don't forget to keep your gun powder dry, you may need it to keep the gates of O'dua land shut to "omo kobokobo" once king Aremu has been re crowned.
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You see why you are good at playing your games? You pop in here throw some useless jabs and disappear, yet you have the guts to talk about intellectualism. You see why Naija is so messed up because of people like you. Answer the questions posed to you and quit dribbling. Na wah for you oh!
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Click here to view the links to all the posts you have made at BNW. It is easy to see that those posts are bereft of even the pretext to erudition; they comprise one liners and aimless and knee-jerk commentary. Yet, you feel confident in strutting around as an “intellectual,” spouting the particularly dubious claim that you have been deprived of the opportunity to engage in “intellectual joust.”
Frankly, I now find you disgusting. If some people in this forum consider themselves superior, your role here thus far has only served to vindicate them. Keep your “gunpowder dry.” But, take care that it does not blow up in your face when you attempt to use it against others
Buraimoh, you called? Speak, Ifa is turned to hear.
Ikemba!
Ha, ha. See them crawl out of the underbrush mouldy to the core. My friend, i do not claim to be erudite, hmnnn...oyibo repete but honestly, how can one be "bereft of a pretext"?
I do not claim to be "intellectual" either, my poor advice was to Addy who perhaps mistakenly thinks that he is going to get a discussion of any lyrical wit or profundity. A cursory glance at the discussion which had been foregoing should have dispelled him of this notion. I am sorry if this irks you, but Ifa no dey lie.
And FYI, I will continue interjecting my dumb one-liners and aimless commentary. It is needed now more than ever before the ethno-fascists on this site overrun us all.
Ifa has spoken.
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You seem to be suffering from a great deal of inferiority complex. If you are truly the "intellectual" you pretend to be, you would be able to engage in debates without resorting to pedestrian tactics, i.e., silly name calling and emotional outbursts. If you have not intelligent to say, shut up.
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I do not have time for you. Creep back into whichever hole you came out of.
Gentlemen and Ladies,
I must apologise for my earlier outburst but while not claiming to be "intellectual", I was really enjoying Addy's presentation and Nwa Aro's response when the ethno-fascists reared their heads with their usual tactics of Yoruba bashing and proclaiming Igbo superiority.
Anyway, my words were not directed at the majority of members on this messageboard, those whom it was meant for, I assume, know themselves.
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quote:I was really enjoying Addy's presentation and Nwa Aro's response when the ethno-fascists reared their heads with their usual tactics of Yoruba bashing and proclaiming Igbo superiority.
Mr.
Please spare us the pretext that your lousy posts in this forum are done to defend against "Yoruba bashing," ethnic superiority claims by others, etc. That's nonsense. You were a member of this forum long before Addy joined. But, the inferior quality of your posts blocked you from eliciting the type of response that Addy received. You have yourself to blame for that. No amount of silly finger-pointing at ethno this and tribal that can cover the intellectual laziness/shallowness that has reduced you to a pariah. You are the only fascist that I have seen in the two threads that you have participated in within the last 48 hours.
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------- "You never can tell, he might be the one to turn them around. At least there is civility in the discourse so far."---bababoyz. --------------------------------------------------
Babs: If you cannot "tell," I, Nwa Aro can tell you that if you present your case in the very CIVILIZED manner Addy did, you will be sure to get same in return. I hope you borrow a leaf from Addy and Fumi amongst others.
Quote: -------------------------------------------------- "I must apologise for my earlier outburst but while not claiming to be "intellectual", I was really enjoying Addy's presentation and Nwa Aro's response...Anyway, my words were not directed at the majority of members on this messageboard, those whom it was meant for, I assume, know themselves."---Opon Ifa. --------------------------------------------------
Opon: I think your overdrive was first unnnecessary, and secondly uncalled for, because as at the time you made your first post on this thread the debate was going in a very civil manner. If that was not the case, Addy who made the innitial post that drew mine and others' reaction would have been the one to complain. To ellivate ones self above everyone or to bring down others to climb does not help your case in a debate forum like this. If you really believe in the things you preach, i.e., intellectual debate devoid of name calling, then it behoves on you to put your thoughts in writing and let others reply to your THOUGHTS and not resorting to either you or the respondent/s diagonizing each other's IQ. For just like a product in the market place, an idea/argurement can scare or attract the EAR (not necessarily the person) of the most doubting mind depending on how/where and manner it is sold. I hope you get my drift. Haven said the above, I accept your apology.
Addy: We are still waiting for your "cold facts." Meanwhile, goodluck in your research effort.
All: Lets get over this Opon distraction and back to the issue in debate. As the House and Senate elections hold today, which of the candidates you think if (se)elected into any of the Houses will make both or any of the Houses of the Second Realm truly a law-making place rather than the Ghana-must-go LOOT-SHARING hall that it has been since 1999? As for me, one person I would like to see there in the next dispensation (assuming that it comes to be) is the wife (who on her own is equally qualified like the late husband) of the late Dr. Ogbonaya (alias OGB). Who if elected will replace the disgraced Arthur Nzeribe from Orlu Senatorial District.
That such a character (Nzeribe) can present himself, be allowed or be presented by a constituted party for election shows how far away Nigeria is from attaining real democracy.
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quote:Originally posted by Opon Ifa: .....as long as it is not presented as a morally, or otherwise, superior point of view that brooks no dissent.
Ah, high priest! she iwo re? Ah ekabo O. ekabo baba. High priest I guess us ethno-facists recognize one another from afar, but I have to say am disappointed my efforts not to brook dissent from you have failed. Oh well, win some lose some I guess.
quote:I have decided to keep my gunpowder dry for now. Let OBJ's coming electoral triumph do the talking for now.
High priest, did IBB's exit and Abacha's entrance necessarily mean vindication for Northerners against anti Abacha activists? Or would an Abacha success at rigging the supposed "civillian election" to enable his self succession become a vindication for his praise singers?
Your gunpowder remains just that, gunpowder. Not the gun nor the bullet. You can certainly blow much smoke with it and do razzle-dazzle knockouts and fanfare with it. no one begrudges you that since it remains harmless.
quote:Originally posted by Opon Ifa:
Adekunle I do not have time for you. Creep back into whichever hole you came out of.
Ah, High priest! jeje now, beri e. Jeje.
quote:Originally posted by Opon Ifa: ...I must apologise for my earlier outburst......
So that earlier post was an outburst enh?
quote:Originally posted by Opon Ifa: ......I was really enjoying Addy's presentation and Nwa Aro's response when the ethno-fascists reared their heads with their usual tactics of Yoruba bashing and proclaiming Igbo superiority
Proclaiming Igbo superiority ke? where? Ah, High priest, you must be hurting badly. e kpele baba.
quote:Originally posted by Opon Ifa: .....Anyway, my words were not directed at the majority of members on this messageboard, those whom it was meant for, I assume, know themselves.
Yes we do. Your hints were by no means subtle, and saw to that (even though, the Igbo would go for a direct confrontation). I especially thought the comparison to Al Sahaf was deliriously funny, however, more than anything Al Sahafs deliberate donning of "reality blinders" (emphasis mine) reminds me of the typical Yoruba response in todays Nigeria.
Just think, If America had for any reason decided to stop and pull back, that man would never let America live it down. It would be like when Abacha died through no effort of OPC, Immediately, they emmerged, waxing bold and brave, murdering innocents and claiming invincibility. But did'nt his boss Saddam declare "total victory" in the "Mother of all battles" after America had finished trouncing his ass in Kuwait? Go figure.
You made me laugh High priest, and for that, I like you.
Still on the subject of election rigging or coups, I will continue to urge that you choose your words carefully so you dont have to be served them for consumption later on.
Bro NwaAro,
My desire for that Senate position would be for an APGA aspirant unless there is none running. The late OGB was my own cousin and we grew up together, however I still think it is dangerous for a non APGA candidate to represent any part of Igboland radius, because in the end, it is not what the individuals good intentions represent, but what our detractors leading the party use them to accomplish in Igboland which is total decimation. AD showed good example in the 1999 elections when their eye was still clear. I believe that is the model we must follow if there is even any hope to continue with success in the sadly ongoing Nigerian experiment.
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Bro Ukaobasi: Honestly, I careless who the good people of Orlu senatorial district send to Abuja to represent them as long as that person is not Nzeribe. The main reason I want this man out (I believe most Igbos also do) is because he is not only causing embarrassment to people from his district but also to all good people from Alaigbo.
Quote: -------------------------------------------------- "We all know that with the current election result the way it is going, PDP will go back to the drawing board for another plan to rig the election. Stay Tuned."---Nwabiafra. --------------------------------------------------
Tuned we are and must be. From the look of things, it seems that barring any last-minute manoeuvres by Obasanjo's PDP, the result of these elections might turn out to be the most surprising Nigeria has ever had.
Now that the PDP anchor-man in the north in the person of Naaba is gone, it might well be the road-way to things to come.
It seems as if Ukaobasi's prophesy that those who now proclaim 'alleluya!' may soon find themselves on the other side may not take long to come to pass. Nothing is indeed permanent.
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------- "I don't think they won the election through free and fair means. The PDP bribed the electorate to come out and vote for them. The party has the economic power and they used it. It is unfortunate."---Adebanjo --------------------------------------------------
Above is a member of Yoruba Afenifere and AD complaining of what we have all feared. Where were these CAMELEONS when Obasanjo bought his way at the PDP convention? These self-styled "defenders of democracy" from the south west never cease to make mockery of themselves.
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They are a bunch of cry babies who made a pact with the devil, it seem to have backfired on them. So what did they do? go back to what they do best which is whine and cry.
Tough to those bunch of dummies who thought they were smart by going into a pact with PDP and not fielding a presidential candidate.
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The alarmists out there, please let's put things into perspective and stop counting our eggs before they are hatched.
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quote:Originally posted by Usman Kadiri: Please let's put things into perspective and stop counting our eggs before they are hatched.
All,
Usman Kadiri may be right.
Obasanjo is the only southerner who mastered how to confuse and disorient Hausa angst, Yoruba belligerence, and Igbo directness. together, and in this we must not underestimate him.
I support my assertion in this sense; Obasanjo has mastered the art of breaking bad news slowly and in disjointed unintelligible pieces, thus stealing away any momentum from spontaneous reaction which can result from mass discontent.He even has it down so well that he does'nt mind sharing some of the earlier spotlight with ANPP (his only percieved rival) to appease and disarm Northern sentiments as he hatches his plans.
This strategy always leaves him the element of surprise, and gives him sufficient time to implement his agenda and build the appearance of mass acceptance on his side, using a combination of media hoopla and monied friends to calm down the populace in successive strategic batches.
He has trained his subordinates very well in this strategy and happens to have a like minded thinker in the person of Audu Ogbeh. It seems the Eastern Governors have been his best students at this approach and are unfolding it even as we speak in Igboland.
I fear the worst (rigging) has happened as usual, and even though it is not too late in the game to checkmate it. It is however too early to begin to count OBJ out.
As for AD, Afenifere now smiling all the way to the bank is where the decisions are made, and despite the losses occassioned by the absence of their master strategist Ige, Adesanya already seems to be hatching the "plot to end all plots" where with the sympathy garnered for the seeming AD demise, Afenifere will move to consolidate ownership of PDP in-toto, thus reflecting a convergence of Obasanjo ambitions and Adesanyas aspirations for Yoruba, being to aquire and surpass the power and hegemony (once wielded by Hausa) by appearing to posess mass acceptance and credibility to all Nigerians and especially in the prescence of the World powers. (in this regard AD as a means to an end can be said to be analogous to an expendable lizards tail)
Shall we give up? no. Definitely not!!! What is worth having is worth fighting for.
In the face of the type of desperation which Afenifere is showing in tandem with OBJ, we must not flinch, we must not allow the enemy's feint to disorganize our ranks, rather, with prayer and effort, we must maintain our focus on in the East to see what unfolds, and to use this opportunity to identify carefully, those who destroy us from within.
Slowly but surely, their day of reckoning must surely come.
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Babs: If you cannot "tell," I, Nwa Aro can tell you that if you present your case in the very CIVILIZED manner Addy did, you will be sure to get same in return. I hope you borrow a leaf from Addy and Fumi amongst others.
Nwa Aro,
You have been here long enough to know that bababoyz don’t kiss nobody shitty ass. Chikena.
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------- "You never can tell, he (Addy) might be the one to turn them around. At least there is civility in the discourse so far."---Bababoyz --------------------------------------------------
Quote -------------------------------------------------- You have been here long enough to know that bababoyz don’t kiss nobody shitty ass.---Bababoyz. --------------------------------------------------
Bababoyz:
You made the above statements. Now tell, was Addy whom you refered to in your first post kissing anyones "shitty ass" by addressing the ISSUES rather than the person/s?
Mine was not a directive, rather, it was just saying that the way we present our post will determine the response we get.
In any case, I for one has made a standing decision not to glorify any silly post which is not issue-oriented with a reply. The choice is for you and those who engage in the VIRTUAL jabs to make.
All: What have you got to say with the trouncing of AD in its hitherto stronghold and their present effort to remake the "pact" they did with Baba Iyabo's PDP. Do you think that if the President was not a Yorubaman that Afenifere will go into a working agreement with him?
By going into that agreemnet, have the AD (which is peopled mostly by members of the defunct NADECO) not finally vindicated those who have often reasoned that the Adesanyas fought for the re-validation of Abiola's "mandate" not because they believed in democracy more than other Nigerians but rather they did so simply because Abiola was a Yoruba?
Where does all these leave those who always boast that the Yorubas are the "most educated" in Africa? Does education (I mean academic aquisation) really make one a wise and broad-thinking person? Maybe the Bababoyz will help us answer these questions.
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quote:....Adesanya already seems to be hatching the "plot to end all plots" where with the sympathy garnered for the seeming AD demise, Afenifere will move to consolidate ownership of PDP in-toto,.....(in this regard AD as a means to an end can be said to be analogous to an expendable lizards tail)
All,
Based on my earlier assessments above, it would seem that the bargaining has begun, i.e the bargaining for a greater Afenifere role in PDP.
Will Adesanya succeed? or will he run into a roadblock in the form of (Hausa/Igbo/ethnic minority) PDP party members who will reject Afenifere and now move in the name of PDP (the "detribalized" party) to dictate what is best for Ogun, Osun, Ondo, Kwara, etc. (a-la one Biafranigeria) from the national level? We are yet to see.
The Irony of ironies will be if OBJ/Atiku lose at the presidential level, which would translate to having no friend at the top, and to make matters worse having unfavored yes-men candidates at the state level who would have to aquiesce to an ANPP leadership somehow (be they PDP or AD).
Igbo have gotten used to this, and our solution remains the methodical but painstaking progress toward Biafra. In this we are patient and our resolve is unshaken.
I cannot say the same about Yoruba and others who allowed themselves to soften with OBJ's largesse. If I know Buhari well, he will exterminate OPC with a vengeance, furthermore, since it is "winner take all" he will demote or remove all the military officers of Yoruba or southern origin in positions of strategic power and promptly replace them with Hausa, and Tiv, and maybe some very, very, very token Igbo. Ditto for ministerial and civil service positions. Not to talk of key ministeries which will be returned from the Atlantic ocean where they belong, to Sokoto.
I wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy, but am sure the Yoruba are sweating this one out profusely. Now I know where people like Omoruyi (an Edo incidentally) are coming from when they stoop to the level of threatening Igbos with genocide.
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If we should write Obasanbjo's biography today this is how it will read: Here was the civilian president of Nigeria who came to power with the best local and international wishes and goodwill which none other before or after him will ever get, but he failed to resciprocate same; he was given the chance to make a change by humbly leaving office after SUCCESSFULLY disengaging and dismantling the Nigerian military apparatus, but for the lust of power, he failed to grabe the chance; he was given a third chance to show how truly democratic he is by making sure that his party which is dubbed the "largest party in Africa" proves why it is so by conducting a free and fair party primaries, instead of doing that, he rigged it to his favour by buying the buyables and selling the sellabless; and finally, he was given the benefit of doubt to hold a free and fair general elections, but he instead he chosed to do like other dictators before him by selecting his cronies and paying the poor masses to "vote" them into office. And to add salt unto injury, he is determined to force himself on his people the second time whether they like it or not. By his actions, he will soon join the list of either sit-tight African "civilian" dictators or a disgraced one.
To crown it all, his kiths and kins at home and in the diaspora see nothing wrong with that. No! they say, it is his critics that must be stupid. Afteral, the man is a 'messiah.' How dare you question a know-it-all and do-it-all 'messiah' sent by the god of Ogun ? One even said that "Ifa has spoken" (whatever that is) so no one should either challenge, debate or contradict. Or else...
Honestly, with every due respect to the Gani Fawehimis of Yorubaland, the home-based and diaspora so-called Yoruba intelligencia and "leaders" therefrom like their conterpart from other parts of Nigeria can best be described as a bunch of CONFUSED PEOPLE who in their confusion LOST THEIR CONSCIENCE, SOLD THEIR BIRTH-RIGHT and its place unknowingly BOUGHT SLAVERY for THEIR GENERATION and GENERATION TO COME. All I can say is: SHAME ON YOU!
Before those who pretend to love Nigeria more than their mother start their finger-pointing, I wish to use this ooportunity to warn them that should this transition fail to break Nigeria's "jix" of never having a successful civilian-to-civian hand-over, that apart from Obasanbjo and his gang in Nigeria, those outside the country who are in support of the sham going on in Nigeria should be HELD RESPONSIBLE.
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Addy, while we await your with 'some cold hard facts', here is Onwuka Kalu's response to one of the revisionist historians of BiafraNigeria.
quote:June 12: I stood by Abiola
Thank you for a well informed reply to Prof Omoruyi. However, you forgot to mention that I was one of those Igbo leaders who stood solidly behind Abiola and campaigned vigorously for the validation of June 12. As a result of my activities, Abacha locked me up in one of his detention camps for flimsy, trumped up reasons.
In order to give a semblance of legality to Abacha’s actions, opponents of his regime were picked up and detained on any of the following flimsy excuses:
1) bombing - Abacha has since been proved to be the one behind the spate of bombings for which opponents of the regime were detained;
2) Failed bank tribunal - this was effectively used to disguise the unlawful arrest and detention of the regime’s opponents who were businessmen; I acknowledge that there were some genuine cases of bank fraud/mismanagement which needed to be addressed through a scheme such as the Failed Bank Tribunal but there is evidence to show that such good intentions were hijacked and twisted to suit Abacha’s purpose.
3) Coup d’etat - fake coups were engineered to arrest and detain opponents of the regime who were still in the Army.
We should also not forget that many opponents were killed by people who we regarded then as armed robbers but who have since been revealed in the Rewane, Kudirat, Alex Ibru, Omatshola cases as not armed robbers but bandits who were trained, armed and directed by Abacha and his cohorts. State sponsored killers !!
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