Na why you dey help this yeye people? Vote don finish for Naija. Na so dem wan do another vote for internet. Yeye people! Make you kuku lef them make dem cry kingsway baby. Hahaha!
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If some of you want a coup to remove Obasanjo, what is the legal basis for a coup. Is a coup not against all democratic norms? Anything we set up a country should be based in the law. So, what is the basis for a coup?
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The Overthrow of Tyranny is Enough Justification
Kunle:
The only justification needed for the overthrow of a government is for the people to conclude that the leadership has exceeded its civil power and that tyranny has set in. In the event of tyranny, the people have the right to resist. In his conduct of the last elections, evidence of Obasanjo's willful and capricious disregard for law is legion.
All indicators, including votes in these forums are that the people have reached the conclusion that Obasanjo is now a tyrant, and therefore without authority to govern. It is not up to Obasanjo to determine the means by which the people should resist his tyranny, or in which order the means of resistance should be applied. Thus, the tribunals that he has recommended to his political opponents are merely a subset of the tools that could be used for resistance.
You write of "legal basis" for a coup as though such legal basis were an object designed to impede the overthrow of tyranny. No! The very overthrow of a tyranny is sufficent political and legal justification for the tyrant's replacement. Certainly, hubris, the only basis upon which the tyrant claimed power for himself, is an inferior basis for holding power than the will of the people actualized in the overthrow.
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I don't understand why we should accept anarchy just because of alleged irregularities in the elections. Do you have any evidence that the ANPP and the other parties did not take part in rigging?
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In light of Obasanjo's fraud in the last elections, of which you are well aware, what you have proposed amounts to denying that the people, under any circumstance, could ever take away the right of the ruler to rule, no matter how tyrannical or unjust the ruler may become. My friend, that is a long discredited view of civil governance.
For societies that have administrative government, a major purpose of elections and the electoral process is to give effect to societies' well grounded and common conviction in human weakness, public mistrust over rule by man, and pervasive suspicion of the role and power of the government. What you have proposed is that we subvert the electoral process and join you in placing the tyrant above the rule of law.
Not only should Obasanjo be removed from power, he should be tried for treason, fraud, and subversion. What Obasanjo has done is teach others in the country that the way to power is through fraud, deceit, murder, and thuggery. If we are to accept that as the new rule, we should have the courage to announce it to the world. Let us have the courage to announce the rule and wish the worst man luck.
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Quote: ------------------------------------------------- "What Obasanjo has done is teach others in the country that the way to power is through fraud, deceit, murder, and thuggery."---Onabanjo. --------------------------------------------------
Those who subtly or openly support what Obasanjo and co did in the recent fraudulent elections do not know how far and wide the implication of Obasanjo's action is. The also do not seem to understand how it will damage Nigeria's already battered image at home and in overseas, despite his re-election being "recognised" by the self-centred and ever greedy Western governments. For while some defend Obasanjo simply for ethnic reason, others who do so may just be criminals who will use Obasanjo's action as an excuse to continue their neferous activities.
The latter is more dangerous for the Nigerian society because when for example a student cheats in an examination tomorrow and he/she is caught do not be surprised that he will tell those who care to listen that "if Obasanjo can rig an election and stay in power, why is it a crime if I cheat at an exam? When the cheat ask such a question, he/she may be guilty but will then have a "reason" to cheat; same will also happen when an officer is caught taking or giving bribe, he is likely to mention the rigged election as defence...And so on and so forth.
It is for the above reason that it behoves on everyone who truly love the Nigerian people to put their ethnic and other reasons away and OPENLY condemn the banditery that took place in Nigeria as "elections." Because if nothing is done to either cancel the elections or to stop Obasanjo from assuming power as planned, Nigeria as a country and Nigerians as a people will NEVER get over the long-term damage it will rot on every sphere of the Nigerian society.
Besides, ITS A VERY BAD EXAMPLE FOR OUR KIDS TO COPY.
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I don't understand why we should accept anarchy just because of alleged irregularities in the elections. Do you have any evidence that the ANPP and the other parties did not take part in rigging? --- Kunle
Kunle = I am really disappointed by your question above. I think we should realize that what happened at the last election in Nigeria was beyond "alleged irregularities", it was the massive defraud of the will of the people. On this issue, I support Buhari and every Niogerian that opposes this wanton disregard of the wishes of the electorate. I still maintain that given the evidence on the ground in Nigeria there was no way that Obasanjo could have been re-elected. He stole the election and I support any means - absolutely any means - that will undo this crime. If it will take a coup to do that then I support that too.
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To those of you bent on suggesting a coup, I don't see anything wrong with a coup if that coup is not by soldiers. A coup is defined as the removal of a seating President or Junta as a result of incompetency or fraud either by force or by legal means. Any military coup is an idiotic expression. Obasanjo merits a coup for his incompetency, fraud and lack of vision.
My best valuable solution for my kind of coup to be exact is a private ciitizen removal of Obasanjo by one silver bullet, that ought to be the best civilized coup not backed up by military. After all the death of John F Kennedy made way for a redneck from Texas, why not Obasanjo. Kill the bastard for a change.
Hail Biafra
[ May 14, 2003, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: Waypoint1Biafra ]
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On that note of what pastor Adebiyi said, I hereby suggest that Buhari not fall into the trap of Na'Abba i.e waiting for too long to take action as kunle once advised Na'Abba.
Buhari and Babangida are already on the hit list of Aremu based on the meeting held by Yoruba leaders to discuss Yoruba Agenda.
Knowing Aremu who moves with stealth and guile and strikes with venom, IBB will be placated so long as he can help Aremu dispose of Buhari either thru direct support or thru passive silence.
After Buhari is disposed using Oputa panel reports, then next will come IBB using same Oputa panel reports at a point when a precedent would have been set with Buhari and when momentum will be Aremu's.
So I say to Buhari: Strike while the iron is hot!!! Let kata-kata reign for a while instead of mago-mago if justice is to be ever attained.
To IBB, I say watch your back with Aremu. His penchant for vindictiveness knows all slimy patience and no bounds. YOU ARE ON HIS RADAR SCREEN! Take this as free advice.
Bro NwaAro; soliddd points.
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I am no fan of any of the compound idiots with Barracks named after them, but you can't help but wonder at the vindictiveness which is simply based on the fact that "Fort Obasanjo" was renamed to start with.
Forget that stuff about "Can't name a barracks after living citizens", Abacha is dead. The escuse doesnt hold water.
This is what he rigged himself into 4 more years to give people?
For the first time I now feel sorry for the mighty IBB. Aremu and Anenih are now tabbing soccer on his head Go figure!
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A coup under any excuse is not good. Nigeria has had her share of coups and we are worse for it.
I will advice those losing candidates and their resident american/european well wishers(who of course can't vote) to plan better next time. Do not spend all the time bickering, spend it planning for the next elections.
I will hope that in 2007, the South East/South South must be in a situation where they could have selected a single candidate for presidency. They must start now or the presidency will move up north.
Fielding Ojukwu, Ike Nwachukwu, Okadigbo etc etc was dumb.
It is time for the South South and South East to speak as one.
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The argument holds, no living or even dead Nigerian General actually merit barracks by their name.They became Generals by self promotion and blood. Abacha is the most disgraceful self promoted General in military history. He not only killed innocent people he died getting laid by a prostitute [ASHAWO]. History will never forget that. Barracks should be named after cities or civilians that has made a difference in the life of the citizens. General Burns, America's worst General during the civil war, does not have any fort or town named after him except the facial hair that is today known as side burns.
EXAMPLES: Fort Agbagana, for the battle that piece of town witnessed during the civil war. Fort Ironsi the first Biafranigerian authentic General. Fort Abubakka Tafawa Bellewa: He meant well but died like a dog Fort Herbert Macauley: Did wonders in collaboration with Zik.
Hail Biafra
Hail Biafra
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quote:They became Generals by self promotion and blood. Abacha is the most disgraceful self promoted General in military history.He not only killed innocent people he died getting laid by a prostitute [ASHAWO]
WayPoint,
I feel I should comment on this aspect of your post.
quote:They became Generals by self promotion and blood.
I agree 100% with you. I recall sometime in early 90's, the chief of army staff of the Soviet Union, a General (I forget his name) was in BiafraNigeria. While visiting some army installation with his BiafraNigerian counterpart a certain General Abacha,on learning his counterparts age, he was heard to remark that Abacha was born the year he joined the Army as a boy soldier.
quote:If I wanted to be a General I would have joined the BiafraNigerian Army.
Colonel Guadaffi, Responding to questions on why he has remained a colonel.
quote:The Professionalism of the BiafraNigerian Army vanished with the expulsion of the Igbos
Fl Lt J.J. Rawlings, responding to his Military leadership following setbacks suffered by ECOMOG in Liberia.
quote:Abacha is the most disgraceful self promoted General in military history.
I beg to differ! There are many like him in BiafraNigeria. Gowon, Lt Col to General, Same as Yaradua, and most of the Generals we Know today. It can also be argued that he never did promote himself.
quote:He not only killed innocent people .
So have Babangida, Gowon, and Obasanjo. Who can forget the way he killed middle belt officers after the Dimka Coup or how Biafra army officers were killed under his command after the end of the war! You can also add Odi, and the Tiv massacres.
quote:he died getting laid by a prostitute [ASHAWO]
They all do it! Even our born-again President has more than 20 children from several women. It seems to be the tradition of BiafraNigerian Military to 'do Ashawo'. Why do you think that a major part of the military Budget is spent on anti retroviral agents. It is simply because their past is catching up with them. Do you remember the former foriegn minister who died after a diarrhoeal illness.? Yep! The big disease with a little name.
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my people, please think clearly and be sure that your dislike for obasonjo’s person is not turned into irrational thinking. how can you people (the supposedly educated nigerians in the diapora) call for coup as if you are not aware of how the military turned nigeria into the "world’s lavatory"?
let’s assume the election was fraudulent, are there no longer legal means (tribunals etc) that can be used to seek redress? or are you saying buhari should have wn? really? even then buhari is not calling for coup.
examine yourselves and dont be irrationally consumed by hatred.
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Let us examine your "rationality" as can be evidenced in your post. You called for persons aggrieved by Obasanjo's and PDP's unprecedented electoral fraud to go to the court or specifically, the election tribunal. But you forgot to add that the government that rigged the election also controlled INEC and also controls the judiciary, including the so-called tribunal. So who do you wish to fool by your plea for 'rationality"?
so if the govt controls inec and judiciary we should allow let the soldiers loose? and why do you think we cabnnot change govt's control through the legistaltive bodies? my friend its either we are in a democracy or we are not. if we are, then lets use all means to reverse institutional flaws rather rather than calling for coup like an uneducated welder.
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What occured in the last election was a "coup" by Obasanjo and PDP against the popular will. It has nothing to do with a democratic process. An act of grievious illigality has been imposed. Must we now quibble on how that "coup" can be undone?
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The new members in this forum should realize that their versions of ethnic cheer-leading is not unknown in this forum. Go to the archives and see for yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by Waypoint1Biafra: UKAOBASI:
The argument holds,
Waypoint1Biafra:
The argument can not hold if you read the context of my statements by reading the article in question.
To those who believe that legitimacy is conferred by congratulatory messages from world leaders, I urge you to look into where Saddam Hussein is today, and furthermore to read into the previous history of his approvals by previous World governments including the French and the Russians who fought tooth and nail to prevent America's invasion plans.
The position of many on this board for a separate nation of Biafra, is very well-known by all. There are no expectations from the failed State of Nigeria. There is however a bemusement at the fact that those who do expect something from Nigeria, for example the NADECO’s of this world have failed to grasp the meaning of this lost opportunity occasioned by the heavy rigging of their nation's election by a fellow tribesman despot.
We have been made to believe that democracy is at play, and that rigging being universal is a welcome part of this nascent trend.
Thank you. I assure you the lesson is well learned and I emphasize well learned! as only Nigerians are capable of.
And so I will repeat let the destruction continue!!! Your president is doing an excellent job and am sure his vice might do even better when his time arrives.
Just you remember that the despot Abacha was not eliminated by the impotent fumblings of NADECO, but by the capricious whims' of his sadomasochistic desires.
I weep today for the lot of the average Igbo in your pitiful Nigeria, tomorrow I will laugh again at the impotent fumblings when your NADECO will wonder out loud:
How did we come to this? Why do we deserve this?
Just bear in mind that this time the questions will probably be happening in the full glare of an approving world full of hearty support for a facade democracy that can give them what they want.
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To those who believe that legitimacy is conferred by congratulatory messages from world leaders, I urge you to look into where Saddam Hussein is today.....
Sargeant Doe even had audience with Ronald Reagan who called him "President Moe", as did Jonas Savimbi. Even President for life, Field Marshall Idi Amin had audience with the Queen of England.
How many times did Augusto Pinochet visit Washington with full diplomatic honors or Ferdinand Marcos, (even though theirs was still more respectful and less patronizing)
Okay, Okay, Quiztime kiddos. Who in the class can tell me where these respected leaders are today? A tootsie roll for the first genius between Tijani, Irewelle, and the ever eager Manpikin.
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