the speculation is that since the president has no re-election to consider and a legacy to protect, he will do all within his power to turn things around in the next 4 years including proscribing sharia, having a national conference, etc
the other school of thot thinks the president is not capable of doing much more as he is just not capable.
what do you all expect ?
(clean, non-abusive responses only please.)
[ May 13, 2003, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: Manpikin ]
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There is nothing to expect from Obasanjo. The next 4 years, would be business as usual. An ungrateful dictator. He will be remembered as an uncivil President with no vision, and who killed more than 10,000 civilians to keep the country together.
Hail Biafra
[ May 14, 2003, 10:53 PM: Message edited by: Waypoint1Biafra ]
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There's no doubt that should Obasanjo succeed in imposing himself on the Nigerian people for another four years, he will use the better part of his tenure defending the electoral fraud that he and his gang have been caught red-handed.
Despite what some of his supporters would say to the contrary, there's no way Obasanjo's "mandate" will be recognised by majority of Nigerians 8even if the world does so), so the only thing I think Obasanjo will do is to arrest, imprison and kill any known and imaginary critic of his future ILLEGAL government.
If anything, what one should expect in the next four years is another round of WASTED OPPORTUNITY - both for the Nigerian people and by those that rules them. It's sad, really sad!
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waypoint and nwa aro, thanks. unlike you guys i really believe obasonjo will put in his best effort in the next 4 years – otherwise he has everything to lose. the question is will his best be good enough?
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His best is not good enough and you know that. Leadership is not learned over many years you have it or you don't, Obusonjo can only excell in criminal endeavours so don't hold your breath.
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Expect obasonjo to loot the national treasury in the four years, buy more real estate in USA and UK, Kill more people in Nigeria especially Igbos, get more girls pregnant ie father more babies out of wedlock and fly overseas with his ugly face and self.
That is what you should expect nothing less, it could be more that I have left out.
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the best and worst thing about democracy is that what-u-vote-is-what-you-get. Now that obsonjo is what nigerians voted for, we can only hope for the best.
i'm not holding my breath though.
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quote:the best and worst thing about democracy is that what-u-vote-is-what-you-get. Now that obsonjo is what nigerians voted for, we can only hope for the best
Manpikin,
How can you make such a statement as above? Have you not been reading the newpapers. Did Biafranigerians vote for Obasonjo or did he not rig the election? Was the outcome not predetermined by INEC and PDP?
Please watch what you say on this issue of selection of Obasonjo by INEC and PDP. The people did not vote for him. Just make a note of that.
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I'm a very realistic person. like it or not, the reality is that Obasanjo has been elected and all major world bodies and countries are now queueing to congratulate him.
So unless the election tribunals overturn the results (which i doubt) the man will remain president for the next 4 years. whatever your opinion or mine is, that remains the fact. its for this reason that i stand by my statement.
like i asked on a different topic, do you really think buhari or someone other than obasonjo would have won that election? the opposition was just too weak really.
[ May 15, 2003, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: Manpikin ]
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I understand where you are coming from when you say that he will be the president of that dead country nigeria. However, what I'm trying to make you understand is that nigerian people did not vote for him, so when you say that " they get what the voted for" that is not a correct statement.
You can't put the blame on the general public for voting for a man that they did not vote for. Where is the fairness in that statement?
To give you a simple asnwer to your question above who else could have won the election, WE WILL NEVER KNOW BECAUSE OBASONJO, INEC, AND PDP RIGGED THE ELECTION.
quote: To give you a simple asnwer to your question above who else could have won the election, WE WILL NEVER KNOW BECAUSE OBASONJO, INEC, AND PDP RIGGED THE ELECTION.
thesame way we will never know who could have won the last US elections. but Bush is still president. i'm sure you get my point.
now what would you expect or maybe like obasanjo to do?
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This debate with you is not much of a debate because you are close minded. You still are not addressing the issue.
The issue is not who is declared the winner or who will be the president. The issue is that you are blaming the people for voting for obasonjo when they did not. To that you still have not convinced me or anyone that the people voted for him as such deserve the evil man that they get and therefore should be blamed .
As to you last question. Please scroll up and read what I have said regarding that issue or are you having a selected memory of what you want to remember or see?
I assume your are only playing the devils advocate, that Obsanjo is the president does not mean people voted for him, those are two different things.Those people congratulating him would have also congratulated Abacha and they also congratulated the likes of Musharraf.
The simple point NwaBiafra is trying to make you understand is that your statement blaming BiafraNigerians for voting him into power is ignorant.
[ May 16, 2003, 04:45 AM: Message edited by: chiboy ]
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blessing -- the point is that obasanjo is the elected president.
chiboy and nwabiafra-- unless you have solid proof to show the tribunals, obasanjo was the man nigerians voted for. no discussions will be meaningful until you guys face this fact.
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You know what they say about arguing with yahoo's ? You risk being reduced to their level and getting a thorough beating, enjoy your victory.
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it's not about being a yahoo or winning a debate. its about recognising a problem before solving it. if you think obasanjo should be removed and someone else thinks he should stay, both sides must first agree that he is in fact the defacto president.
personally im ashamed that this is the man that will lead this country of so many intellectuals and accomplished people for the next 4 years. but being a believer that the worst democracy is better than the best military rulership, what can we do? kill and replace him with an unknown angel? or replace him with buhari who will impose sharia on everyone? this is why i'm hoing for the best but preparing for the worst. the best i'm hoping for is that there will be a snc, sharia abrogation, and economic discipline.
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quote:but being a believer that the worst democracy is better than the best military rulership,
Manpikin! na wa for you oh! How would you define 'worst democracy'? A bad government is a bad government. The only advantage of a democracy is that we have the option of voting out a leadership we do not like. If this fundamental principle is removed in a system of government, it can no longer be refered to as democracy. This was essentially what happened in may in BiafraNigeria. Saddam, Mubarak all scored more than 99% of votes 'cast' in their respective elections, but you dont see any one refering to them as heading or having headed democratic governments.
It does not matter if some people find him more acceptable than Buhari, the fact is that in a democratic process the will of the people is supreme. Would tell me that you would have accepted it if the flawed (s)election process had produced Buhari instead of Obasanjo?.
Principles! Principles! Principles!
This is all that should matter. If we were to maintain true democratic principles and elect a 'thief' , so be it! He will only be there for four years. Now if Obasanjo were to conduct a referendum on removing the bar on a third term in the same way that the (s)elections were conducted, all we would have is a dictatorship.
quote:chiboy and nwabiafra-- unless you have solid proof to show the tribunals, obasanjo was the man nigerians voted for. no discussions will be meaningful until you guys face this fact.
Manpikin. Fact 1. Ballot boxes , full of ballots ,are still lying in polling stations in Orlu more than 3weeks after (s)elections. No one has yet to count the votes, but results from Orlu has been declared.
Fact 2. Abua LGA in Rivers State were over 80,000 votes were 'cast'. All to one party, there were no spoilt ballots, are we to assume that the ANPP or other party candidates in that LGa did not vote for themselves?
Fact 3. Imo state were Achike Udenwa was getting 1.8million votes after the declaration of results from 18 out of the 30 LGA, until the secratary to the state government who could not hide his embarassment any further pointed out that that number 1.8million had exceeded the number of registered voters in Imo state.
Fact 4 In Enugu North, a Tanzanian member of the Commonwealth Observer Group noted in an interview that:
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"At Enugu North, we went to the centre where the results were being collated and we wanted to be part of the process. We were told that the ballot boxes have not been returned, that we should wait, and we waited outside the building. But after waiting for sometime I went inside again and saw some INEC officials sorting out voters papers and I asked them, but you said these boxes have not arrived? But they could not answer me.
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Please dont hide your head in sand! There are plenty more where these came from.
Your name says it all. You are a grown man, but you reason like a child. It's people like you in control of African affairs that keep the DARK Continent stock in the stone age - the reason why the rest of world correctly identifies Africans, particularly their leaders, as simple-minded, child-like, know-nothing individuals too stupid to be trusted with managing anything. tufiakwa!
You are here campaigning to reward a simple-minded moron like olusegun obasanjo with four more years in control of BiafraNigeria after the record of an incompetent manager he has made for himself already; after corrupting institutions of the government he heads to defraud himself back into office. Yes, Manpikin, like an African jungle idiot wants to give a clearly know-nothing obasanjo four more years to prove he's a real idiot.
Manpikin, that name gives you away as one of those clueless, happy African jungle idiots, such as obasanjo, who do not think before talking. Unfortunately, your kind controls the Dark Continent, and you know why we can't make progress in Dark Africa! I suggest you get back with the administrator for a name change. They're laughing behind your back!
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Those issues highlighted by the observers are the type of comments I expect buhari to take to the appropriate quarters. And believe me, if buhari has been declared winner, I would have hated the results but I would accept it if the opposition does not challenge the results. That’s what democracy and principles mean to me.
Amadi O why the name calling? if you have a point to make, please do so. And by the way, your name means something in my language too and i'm not telling .
[ May 16, 2003, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: Manpikin ]
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I have been watching your loud mouth. You talk as if you've slept on the same bed with President Olusegun Obasanjo, the only dynamic leader ever produced in the nation. Better watch your mouth before it gets you into big trouble.
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