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This is becoming unnecessarily boring if not unfocused or rather divergent.
The topic of this discussion is and still is, “Who is likely to attack African countries?” If I am not mistaken, it appears that the discussion has headed into other steamy issues. Not that people do not have the right to steer the discussion to other issues, but I just want to know if we have belabored the points here and would rather discuss other pressing matters.
Sylva,
I suggest that you drop the slant your recent postings have assumed because I do not understand why you have set about to convince yourself or anyone that cares to listen, that some imaginary people are out there to suppress your freedom of speech. I make bold to say that I FRANKLY do not see a situation where anyone has taken it upon him or herself to suppress divergent views on this particular thread. This is a public forum and as such, I am at pains to point out that since people are different, their opinions on issues must invariably be different. Their method of expression, their writing style, their conviction and their opinions are something you must have to realize, could be glaringly different from yours. In other words, the freedom of speech that you speak so eloquently of compels you to realize that some postings could appear brash or mild depending on the disposition of the writer.
You are then left with the option of seeking clarification where necessary, explaining yourself if you feel that the respondent may have misunderstood a statement attributed to you, or as is sometimes the wisest choice, totally ignoring some comments if you feel disinclined to dignify such comments with a response. Trust me; you do not appear weak if you fail to reply to some unsolicited goading. It only shows strength of character because it will portray you as a man focused on the substantive issues and not on the trivial.
Therefore, you should take a moment for some introspection and then ask yourself if your recent write-ups on YOUR thread have been focused or if you have not started trying to find imaginary people that are out to suppress your much cherished ‘freedom of expression’.
Like I said earlier, people are free to react to the postings anyhow they see fit. A selective mind would pick out the fleshy parts of any argument/discussion and discard the crumbs. In line with the above statement, I am then at a loss as to how you find it convenient to imply that your views MUST be accepted whilst on the other hand, denying others of their diametrically opposite and/or knee-jerk responses to the issues at hand. Could it be that you find problems with opinions that are not yours? Could it be that every sentence must be constructed exactly how you wish for it to be? Could it also mean that if those statements are not fashioned to your tastes, then you must pick offence with it?
If your answers to those questions are NO (which is what I suspect you will say), then pray tell, why have you chosen to play the victim here? Why are you now rehashing worn out reminders citing ‘freedom of expression’ and your right to such, as if anyone denied you that in the first place. Why is it then that you are demanding ever so subtly/persistently that others dump their own views on a subject—simply because they do not in your estimation qualify as laudable ‘solutions/proposals’?
I read the first few contributions and saw how people reacted to how you have started the topic. It seemed for a while, that since nobody really disagreed to some core values or principles that you had, you were willing to tolerate what must obviously appear to you as their unoriginal ideas.
quote: It is not countries that attack Africa, It is to selfish, greedy, and cold hearted owners of multinational conglomerates who can appoint and remove nations presidents to whom we must plead in miserable agony:
How long? Please let my people go.
It is of these cold hearted shylocks we must pray unceasingly for Almighty God to show them they are but mere mortal.
It was not until Ukaobasi, in expressing his feelings on the subject, made the comment that seemed to fly in the face of your Pan-africanist dogma, that you took upon yourself the unenviable position of a modern-day John the Baptist, lashing out as it were to him and to any who cared to listen about how theists should snap out of our beliefs in God. Perhaps, to you, people who believe in the existence of a supernatural (no matter what name) are to some degree unqualified to make political commentaries. If anyone cares to check on this, one would realize that mentioning ‘God’ in most aspects of daily living has become so common that its use does not at all times, portray the user as being in a mood for worship. As a matter of fact, I have seen a lot of atheists who have from time to time mentioned ‘God’ as a pattern of speech and not necessarily because they believe in him. I fail to see why you have chosen to make a mountain out of a molehill. Nevertheless, you had your freedom to express your belief in the non-existence of God.
Bearing in mind that this is a public forum, you should have realized that your CATEGORICALLY EMPHATIC pronouncement about what you believe must draw some response. Some can respond by politely asking for a clarification (as I did) and others can respond in a lesser diplomatic fashion.
That, my friend is the beauty of diversity!
It is that same freedom which you preach. Verily, that is the reason why we come here to interact-- for if everyone had your frame of mind, then, I do not see why we would be here.
Therefore, you can imagine how disappointed I was when it became obvious that further postings from you seemed to announce to anyone who cared to listen that you cannot tolerate opposing views-- albeit in your own mind, you made yourself a victim and then disguised further replies to bring to light your conviction that Ukaobasi was out to muzzle you. Look Sylva, this is unbecoming of a self-styled originator of genuine solutions! However, as if you thought it was indicative of some weakness to let the matter lie, you have continued to grasp at straws to impress upon us, the hilarious fact that you MUST be viewed as the courageous underdog who must speak openly and standup to some fictional internet bullies!
It must be stated, it seems to me, that you must have some ochlocratic tendencies. Why? Because, if you do not cherish disorder, you could have focused on the topic, accepted Amadi’s sincere paraphrase and thus ended the unnecessary diversionary religious quibble which your statement above had generated. Secondly, if you did not feel persuaded to answer my questions, you could have honestly told me that you are not willing to wade into the murky water of religion. Instead in your reply, you taunted and jeered me probably because you imagined that you were being ganged up against! Lastly, you would have heeded Nwa Aro’s timely counsel by re-directing the thread to “who” or “what” was going to attack African countries.
I am reminded of the saying that “he that wants equity must come with clean hands.”
It is time to put an end to this protracted circuitous rhetoric—and for good measure, I will re-echo the wisdom that perhaps, it is better that I let you have the last word on the issue. If I had started out responding to your piece, I would have expressed my opinion that while your pan-africanist rhetoric may be appealing to our collective psyche, they sometimes have the regrettable tendency of misidentifying the real-world practical solutions to our real problems!
So, “Who is likely to attack African countries?” you ask---My reply for the meantime, without any hesitation, is “AFRICANS!!!”
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Ukaobasi, I will never blame or attack you or any other person for having an opinion. You can work on the above statement as much as you can. If anybody attacks you for that, I will support your right to free expression. It was your failure to apply the above principle that we have this interesting discussion, your reason for such a reaction being what I quoted above. You may decide to tame your initial instincts. I said "interesting" because it could help us tolerate other people's views in the future.
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Anaedo, You made some inferences in your last post without indicating how you arrived at them through the previous posts.
I am not used to wasting my time, Ukaobasi neither. As you could have noticed, we continued to participate in other threads at the same time as this one. It is not a matter of who wins or who does not win. We only say something on it because we have something to propose. But most importantly, it is an important issue for most of us: we are naturally not very tolerant, it could be that we are afraid to lose. Yet we lose a lot by the same attitude. Another example is MASSOB, we cherish it in such a way that we refuse to take a critical look at its activities. At least the how aspect of its activities. I proposed discussing it on an Igbo-only-forum, not because there is something to hide, but so that our criticism would not be used against us. Secondly, we won't be interrupted by Motta. The notion of God comes under the same examples. Some of the above statements linked God directly to the Igbo as if God loves the Igbo more than the other nations. I expected someone to give us examples of what God has done for the Igbo, Nigeria, Africa or black race since they started praying.
There is nothing wrong in believing in God as long as we take our earthly destiny into our hands. We cannot afford to leave ourselves and the of future black generations to be enslaved too simply because we might be rewarded after death, because if ever there is no reward, we would have been nicked twofold.
The fundamental difference between a believer in God and a non-bleliever or someone who thiniks that there is no God is that unconsciously, while the potential achievements on earth of the former is limited, as from a certain threshold God taking over, that of the latter has no limit. If we apply it to my proposals concerning Igbo, Nigeria, Africa or black race affairs, then some people may think that my proposals are not feasible. If they ask me how or for more explanations, I will tell them. But if they say nothing, it does not give us much information to grapple with. It is one of the reasons we should encourage people to express their views, not systematically searching for faults in their postings.
In one of my above posts, I made it clear that I will always give my views, no matter what. I then explained that the importance of this discussion is to encourage those who might be less able to do the same. So, the fact that the topic has changed from its original form to this is a good accident, as we can always meet the initial thread in another form. But if this our discussion could help us dominate our initial instincts, then it is already an achievement.
I do not think I have attacked anybody on this forum for expressing a view. You may prove me wrong by producing them. Even the statement I made in reaction to that of Ukaobasi was not directly linked to his. That was why he did not protest until I made it known in response to that of Nwa Aro. That link does not make my statement an attack on Ukaobasi but an attack on his viwe. There is a big difference between them.
I did not reply to your second post on this thread, too simply because I did not worth it. If you have adopted the same attitude in your last post, you would have received nothing. If course, you are not alone, but it emphasized that need to do something about our "initial instincts". That is what we are trying to do here.
My stand remains that not only we should allow our people to freely express themselves, but we would better encourage them. It is the only way of producing many Ikembas, Ziks, etc.
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quote: My stand remains that not only we should allow our people to freely express themselves, but we would better encourage them. It is the only way of producing many Ikembas, Ziks, etc.
I absolutely agree with that stance. For emphasis, I probably need to say “Hip, hip, hip, hurray” to that quote above. I hope that with this direct start, you would get the idea that there is no one arguing that crucial point with you. I seriously hope that with this start, you would realize that you need not make a ‘stand’ on that issue because, like I said before, no one is barring you from ‘freely expressing yourself’. Beats me though why you would keep emphasizing a point on which everyone was ALREADY in agreement Relax!
Now, having established an atmosphere conducive to dialogue, I would like you to clarify the following:
quote: The fundamental difference between a believer in God and a non-bleliever or someone who thiniks that there is no God is that unconsciously, while the potential achievements on earth of the former is limited, as from a certain threshold God taking over, that of the latter has no limit.
Like I am wont to do, I will rather wait for you to elaborate before making my comments. In return, it would be very nice if you wouldn’t extrapolate an ‘attitude’ on my part
I have to touch on an issue here. You had this to say:
quote: In one of my above posts, I made it clear that I will always give my views, no matter what. I then explained that the importance of this discussion is to encourage those who might be less able to do the same. So, the fact that the topic has changed from its original form to this is a good accident, as we can always meet the initial thread in another form. But if this our discussion could help us dominate our initial instincts, then it is already an achievement.
You mentioned ‘initial instincts’ in your posting above. If I substituted for ‘initial instincts’ the words ‘gut reaction’, ‘knee-jerk response’, ‘sudden impulse’, or ‘verbal reflex’, would they be in concord with your intended meaning above? If your answer is yes, then why do you consider one’s initial instincts on a matter something that needed to be dominated? In other words, are you saying that people are not to be encouraged to articulate their very first convictions on an issue? Why must the first thoughts/ reactions of people to any concept be disregarded? Why do they merit being censored or dominated? We are progressive creatures, I would think, so why does it appear as if you want to short-circuit the very first thoughts/reactions upon which progress can be made? Hopefully, you would give a thought to that statement and clarify if you feel the need.
It may or may not come as a surprise to you but I agree with most of what you had written. Those that I tend to disagree with, I normally try to get a clarification to affirm that you are indeed saying exactly what I think you mean before stating my disagreements to those points.
So in that vein, if you could be kind enough, could you also explain if in your second paragraph, the ‘Igbo-only-forum’ you spoke about meant a forum where the Igbo language would be the only acceptable language of pursuing discussions. Yes, I can understand your reason for wanting a forum like that, but does it really prevent non-Igbo speakers from eventually knowing what was being discussed? I imagine that a lot of them must have Igbo friends who would readily give them a translation. Secondly, don’t you think that with the plethora of dialects in the Igbo language, effective communication might be hampered?
Or could it be that by “Igbo-only-forum’, you meant a forum that would admit Igbo people only? If that is the case, what guarantees are there that non-Igbo people would not be admitted bearing in mind that the internet opens up vast opportunities for anonymity?
Lastly, if by “Igbo-only-forum”, you meant a forum exclusively designed to discuss issues that face Igboland, then I will suggest that a lot of those forums abound. If I am not mistaken, a certain section of this forum had been designed thus.
You see, what am I trying desperately to avoid would be to sound or appear over-analytical of your piece because that would only generate a lot of questions on my part. I do not really wish to lock you in a perpetual cycle of questions and answers. I may not have the patience for that myself. I am saying this because I almost expected your last piece to focus on the last paragraph of my preceding post. I almost promised myself that in your reply would ask me to contribute to your first post in the thread as a token that you have finally found it expedient that we discuss those weightier matters Well, in its absence, I guess I will restrict myself to the points you have made so far in your last post.
quote:The fundamental difference between a believer in God and a non-bleliever or someone who thiniks that there is no God is that unconsciously, while the potential achievements on earth of the former is limited, as from a certain threshold God taking over, that of the latter has no limit.
As concerns the above quote, I found it explicit. In fact, I am not used to asking people to explain their statements before replying. It was just like my statement on the non-existence of God, I could not have explained it better.
But as regards the above, another way of saying the same thing is that those who believe in God pray, in particular, in the presence of difficulties while the non believers don't. And their approach to solving difficult problems is different.
If you have paid more attention, you would have noticed that the expression "initial instincts" has not first been employed by me. When we talked of quaranteeing freedom of expression, we means that for example in this case, if one person said that there is no God, the control of "initial instincts" would permit not to give the type of response we got above. It could be anything but "shut up, you are not an Igboman". Personally, there is no way I could have found that type of answer unaided. And such reply could deter some people from saying anything. It is for that reason that we should dominate it: it is very dictorial and not conducive for the goal we fix for ourselves, to communicate effectively.
When I arrived at this forum, there was a section whereby forumites needed a password to acces it. Nobody offered me a password and i did not ask either. Latter it became accessible to everyone. When I said I talked of Igbo-only-forum, I gave the following reasons: 1) no interruptions by non Igbo as we noticed from time to time here with Motta. 2) any eventual critics against the igbo might not be used against us by non Igbo.
It does not matter if any non Igbo gets there as long as s/he pretends to be Igbo. We can as well use igbo language since everybody is supposed to speak it, which is impolite to use here. In fact I was thinking of Igbonet.com.
As regards long discussions, I feel that when a topic such as tolerating different views are concerned, we can spend the time needed to sort it out. We are naturally intolerant, it is not our fault but that of the society in which we were brought up.
Once or twice, someone brought a quote made by me and from another thread to show that there was a contradiction. Personally, I can't do it. It does not encourage people to express themselves.
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It occurred to me on my return, that this thread seems to be attempting to develop a new revisionist designed life.
Let me attempt to get it back in perspective in case a certain handle begins to take liberties:
HERE'S HOW IT ALL STARTED.
June 07 Sylva : Blah blah blah Western Superpower Nations have come again against Africa Oooo, blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 09 Ogbunigwe: True. blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 21 Sylva : More blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 21 Ednut: Blah, blah? (something to this effect)
June 24 Sylva: More blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 25 UKAOBASI: Even sef, Blah, blah, blah. One may then conclude that it is not "Nations" but powerful individuals who manipulate their Western govts of the day whom we must be cognizant of. Of these afforementioned, we must pray to God to humble them greatly. Blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 25 Benbella: True. Blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 26 Sylva: Yes, blah, blah, blah. As concerns God,......There is no God. Blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 26 UKAOBASI : Blah, blah. TUFIAKWA!!! You cannot be an Igboman. Blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 26 Anaedo: Sylva what do you mean? Blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 26 Mkpume: Yes Sylva please explain. Blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 26 Amadi: Ah now, everybody pipe low. Sylva was simply pointing out we must not allow belief in God to determine or mold African response to.... (something to this effect) Blah, blah, blah.
June 26 Anaedo That may well be, but can Sylva clarify? (something to this effect)
June 27 Sylva : UKAOBASI, Anaedo, and Mkpume, did I shock you? Ha, ha, ha. Your so called God does not exist. What will you be doing on Sundays now that you know he doesnt exist? You are intolerant, Your reaction must have come "according to his will". If we want to create a free democratic progressive society where everyones rights and duties are recognized, then we have to leave God out of it. Blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
June 27 UKAOBASI: I suppose you want a reaction, I have expressed my initial instincts and I stand by it. Blah, blah, blah.(something to this effect)
June 27 Anaedo: Sylva, what gives? Blah, blah, Sir, could you now please inform us why Nigerians (who are not atheists), who most likely, may have nodded in apparent agreement upon reading your analysis so far, should now be suddenly AWAKENED and URGED to drop their belief in God (which I might add, had virtually no connection to the discussion at hand ab initio)? ..............without pussyfooting or employing diversionary antics in your next reply, could you explain why you felt compelled to educate nay awaken Nigerians to recognize YOUR ASSERTION that "there is NO God"? ...................go ahead and explain to us how a God, that you deny his existence has now suddenly grown so THREATENING, hence the desire to AWAKEN those Nigerians that may (foolishly?) believe in him. (something to this effect)
June 27 Mkpume: Sylva, please answer the question. No big grammar just answer the question. Blah, blah, ........Sadly I think in one swoop you have mashed up all the hard work you have been doing in my eyes at least. (something to this effect)
June 27 NwaAro: If you (Sylva) meant to say (as I imagine) in your statement that YOU as an individual does not believe in the existence of God and said so in SIMPLE ENGLISH, then you would have safed yourself the UNNECESSARY attacks.
Blah, blah, blah. .........All, Lets just leave the discussion about religion/God out of this thread and rivert to the topic of this thread. The question was/is: Who is likely to attack African countires? My answer is: the Africans themselves. (something to this effect)
June 28 Sylva: Nwa aro, I will come back to your intervention.
All, There some interesting religious issues on Nigeriaworld.com/messageboard. (something to this effect)
THE CRYING BEGINS IN EARNEST
July 11 Sylva : Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... NwaAro, UKAOBASI said "It is of these cold hearted shylocks we must pray unceasingly for Almighty God to show them they are but mere mortal". He (UKAOBASI) hurt my feelings when he referred to God. More cries; Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... UKAOBASI is a tyrant. He denied me my rights. He hurt my poor feelings. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... Dictionary and Thesaurus told me there was no God, but UKAOBASI went and mentioned God. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... (something to this effect)
July 11 UKAOBASI: Oh! Oh! Oh! so Sylva this is what made you get all bent out of shape enh? If you had asked instead of making assertions that are suppressive I would have explained myself better. Blah, blah blah. (something to this effect)
(FOR BRIEF INPUTS BY OTHER FORUMITESINBETWEEN THESE EXCHANGES, PLEASE REVIEW OVERALL THREAD)
July 16 Sylva: Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... UKAOBASI, We should encourage diversity of opinions, which does not deter us from supporting common project or common cause. cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
1) although I tolerated you approach to seeking God's help, you failed to tolerate mine. cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... 2) I was afraid that someone might have tamed some members before my arrival on this board, forcing them to comply to having the same opinions. cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
I have therefore decided to be the "Peoples Champion" (emphasis mine) Blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect) . More cries; Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... UKAOBASI is a tyrant. He denied me my rights. He hurt my poor feelings. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... (something to this effect)
July 16 UKAOBASI: Lets get back to the thread at hand. Stop distorting my position on issues, it is there for all to see. Furthermore, refrain from reacting to your phobias without getting clarifications blah, blah, blah. ..............If you seem to be asking for a ceasefire however, Im for it.(something to this effect)
July 18 Sylva: Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... My response to Nwa Aro was that I did not initiate any discussion on God, I only made a remark because you proposed a wrong solution to our problems (Explanation number 999thousand). Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... You cannot consciously propose this time of solution on a forum where, evn though some believe in God, there are many who think that there is no God. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... It has to be a personal issue, if we succeed in solving our common problems and you tell us that, you contributed by praying, we will all be very grateful to you.
If I believed in God and someone tells me that there is none, my first instinct would have been to prove to the person that God exists. I cannot and don't attack anybody for having an opinion. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
I think that your problem is lack of ideas to buttress your views, so you ressort to attacking people to stop them from expressing themselves. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
My advice is that you learn self-control. But we can also help you by reminding you, each time that you attack anybody on this board for expressing his/her opinion, that you are wrong. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
More cries; Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... UKAOBASI is a tyrant. He denied me my rights. He hurt my poor feelings. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... (something to this effect)
July 18 UKAOBASI: Sylva, this comment right here contradicts your hue and cry over our "right to free expression without attack" We were not talking about solutions, we were talking generally about "who is likely to attack African countries". Stop sharing credit before your mighty PAN Africanist battle is won. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Show me how your postings have stopped the business moguls from manipulating Africa, using their transitory govts and personalities as tools to manipulate and install the monkeys (our tribalistic, tyranical and immoral govts) that destroy Africa from within? Blah, blah, blah, blah. (something to this effect)
July 20 Sylva:
quote:Quoted from UKAOBASI: I have expressed my initial instinct in its purest form.
From my personal analysis, the debate here has been caused by what you expressed above.(personal analysis number 1 million) Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
I do not bear any grudges against you or any other person..........
...This is why it is crucial that nobody tampers with it, it is one of the the foundations on which freedom is based. Not only we should allow people to express whatever opinion they have, but we should encourage it.
. More cries; Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... UKAOBASI is a tyrant. He denied me my rights. He hurt my poor feelings. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... (something to this effect)
July 20 UKAOBASI: Okay. Oya stop crying. It is becoming embarassing. I tell you what, let me go and work on the statement that initiated this whole thing, perhaps we can rework it to have less of an impact and make you stop crying. Blah, blah, blah. In the future though, desist from ambush as a way of addressing percieved wrongs. (something to this effect)
July 20 Anaedo: Guys enough is enough. Lets move on with the thread at hand. I am reminded of the saying that he that wants equity must come with clean hands. Blah, blah, blah.
(something to this effect)
July 22 Sylva: Ukaobasi, ---------I will never blame or attack you or any other person for having an opinion. ---------You can work on the above statement as much as you can. ---------If anybody attacks you for that, I will support your right to free expression. ---------It was your failure to apply the above principle that we have this interesting discussion, your reason for such a reaction being what I quoted above. ---------You may decide to tame your initial instincts. . More cries; Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... UKAOBASI is a tyrant. He denied me my rights. He hurt my poor feelings. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... (something to this effect)
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July 22 Sylva: Furthermore, Anaedo, you made some comments that hurt my feelings. (sob, sob, sob, cryyyy sniffle) Me and UKAOBASI are pals as you can see in other threads. (Now the bombshell): Even the statement I made in reaction to that of Ukaobasi was not directly linked to his. That was why he did not protest until I made it known in response to that of Nwa Aro. (something to this effect) (What the?!!!)
July 22 Anaedo: I agree to everything you say. Hip hip hip hooray can we move on please? On that note and moving on, here are some questions on this threads topic(something to this effect)
Aug 14 Sylva: Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... If you have paid more attention, you would have noticed that the expression "initial instincts" has not first been employed by me. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
When we talked of quaranteeing freedom of expression, we means that for example in this case, if one person said that there is no God, the control of "initial instincts" would permit not to give the type of response we got above. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
It could be anything but "shut up, you are not an Igboman". Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
Personally, there is no way I could have found that type of answer unaided. And such reply could deter some people from saying anything. It is for that reason that we should dominate it: it is very dictorial and not conducive for the goal we fix for ourselves, to communicate effectively. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh...
When I arrived at this forum, Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... there was a section whereby forumites needed a password to acces it. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... Nobody offered me a password Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... and i did not ask either. Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... Latter it became accessible to everyone Cryy cry cry cryyyyyyy wah, wah, waaaaahhh... waaaaahhh... waaaaahhh... waaaaahhh...
(Here is bombshell number one million and one): Once or twice, someone brought a quote made by me and from another thread to show that there was a contradiction. Personally, I can't do it. It does not encourage people to express themselves. (You dont say? Sylva, I wont bother to identify all the postings where you have quoted others).
HOW FARES THE THREAD MY FRIEND?
I suppose if people ask : How is that thread "who is likely......." going? someone would proudly say: Hia nnnaaaa o obukwa obele ife ooo, 39 whole postings so far! (meaning: my broda no be small ting ooo. 39 whole postings so far!) Thread nkaa kpu kwa oku na onu( dis thread carry fire for mouth oo). Ebeaa ka nkata na kpotuu (na here wey discussion de halla).
Sylva If you must misquote me to gain leverage in this your embarrasing weeping monologue of a thread, do it well. I didnt say "shut up, you are not an Igboman" as you would to rude child, I tyranically and authoritatively affirmed: "TUFIAKWA!!! You cannot be an Igboman"! As you would to a mature adult who consciously chooses like an animal to defaecate on the collective carpet in order to assert its will in supposed response to a percieved wrong . You can go on and cry some more. Your embarrassing disposition to this tendency is now predictable and I await your next response with absolute assurance of this fact. As for "dominating" my instincts, They are definitely dominated by me and I respect them enough for their credibility thus far. I will be around to help when you stop weeping and set upon dominating but respecting yours. All it takes is a little discipline, and absolute sincerity. To attempt to fool it by distorting issues and by weaving and bobbing only represents conscious and deliberate self deception the likes of which is now evident in all of your postings on this forum.
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Well, in its absence, I guess I will restrict myself to the points you have made so far in your last post.
