I never was T. Addy on this or any board. Even you can do better. Anyway, to the topic at hand. It does not take a rocket scientist to tell the sequence of events re: Adaka Boro. You only need to pick up a copy of his biography from Barnes and Noble or any reputable bookstore. My point being that Adaka Boro faced unnecessary harassments and extreme persecution in the hands of his brothers and sisters; the Igbos, at the UNN just because he aspired to lead the College Student Union. If you or anyone has evidence to disprove this, please come forth, or forever hold your peace. Igbos are one of the most clannish races on the face of the Earth, and i say this with no equivocation whatsoever.
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From reading the brief article by Nwachukwu, it is not at once clear to me that there was any kind of competition by universities in the country for this grant. In other words, I don’t think the article was suggesting that some sort of drawing (involving the universities in the nation) was made and then strangely, OAU and Unijos emerged as the winners for this grant. After reading that article, one would be led to believe that those two universities were just arbitrarily selected to receive the grants. In that regard, these two universities should thank their lucky stars for being chosen amongst the universities in Nigeria to receive the money. Lets hope that the money would be used judiciously to further education. I am saying this because of the continuing strike by universities in Nigeria today.
On a lighter note, how far can $2 million dollars go in helping out the situation of things in our respective universities if the teachers at these various universities are being owed several months salaries with no prospects of ever being paid? In fact, make I no follow una dey quarrel whether UNN suppose get the grant or not sef bicos if u ask me, I go tell u ozigbo ozigbo dat de authorities in OAU and UniJos go eat the money finish and wipe dia mouth sef before the students fit say : “Abi now dat we don get grant, okwa dis pipool go fix our labs, build new hostels, improve class conditions and renovate the school?” Make una siddon there dey fight for money wen una neffa realize say the money dey go straight to the Vice-Chancellor's account abi na the Dean dis time?
quote:It does not take a rocket scientist to tell the sequence of events re: Adaka Boro. You only need to pick up a copy of his biography from Barnes and Noble or any reputable bookstore
No! but it takes some common sense (which seems uncommon in your write ups) to be able to differentiate truth from falsehood. You are quoting a book which is just an individuals views, you still insist on holding onto your views despite overwhelming counter arguement.
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UkaObasi wrote: Some decency is called for, along with the humility to ask Wacko for his historical sources so you can modify your prior understanding, if your motive was not meant to come accross as a deliberate attempt at crass propagandeering...UkaObasi
If you are true to yourself, you will admit that all along, i have tempered my write-ups with mild-mannered reasonings while trying to point out my worries and concerns without losing sight of the fact that just as there are the likes of Nzeribe and Morris Ibekwe in the Igbo race, so also are respectable sons in the mold of Ukiwe, Ekwueme, and Sam Mbakwe. However, whenever the hack writers in the guise of fighting the Igbo cause deliberately group all Yorubas together as belonging to the Obasanjo school of thought, with otherwise respected forumites tacitly cheering them on, you just ask yourself how long must this continue?
I have nothing to learn from Wacko vis-a-vis the Nigerian Civil war and other sundry Nigerian matters.That Boro was discriminated against in Nsukka is an open secret, the motive in itself is open to various interpretations. That my understanding of the event is at odds with Wacko's understanding does not confer superiority of reason on his version. Arguments and debates are meant to explore all possible scenarios surrounding an event.This is my guiding principle.In as much as possible, i make no attempt at rewriting history because i appreciate the import of history in the life of a nation..
quote: I am barely six months old on this board and i have not had the priviledge to read Adekunle spout pro-Yoruba rhetoric nor was i privy to his being shouted down.
addy:
The type of ignorance that you have admitted is the reason you should read and review before you write. May be you should have reviewed Kunle’s posts to see that he had been a loud Yoruba voice on this board, and for his posts on this board, Adekunle had actually drawn more fire and for longer than you. You should not resort to hysteria under pressure. That is a sign of intellectual inferiority.
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Ahmed, I did not(still do not) think that reading people's posts prior to debating them is a sensible option. Doing this will only give me a pre-conceived impression of that person, that is hardly healthy for this sort of forum. However, if this makes you feel better, I accept your criticism with thanks and a promise to do a better job.
___________________ This war of attrition on the Igbo must end now! Posts: 441 | From: california, US | Registered: Jan 2003
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I agree with you about reading past posts unless of course you want to use it as a reference.
Guys, please do not "gang" up on addy, he has the right to his opinion just like yall. I have always been against this gangup mentality.
Back to the topic of the post. addy, I think that Ibadan was a college of a foreign University based in England and came to its own years after UNN. I could be wrong but unlikely.
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Listen, I'm gonna be in Washington D.C. area for a month, from July through August. So when is the Enugu/Wawa convention and dance taking place? I hope you've been working out to get rid of that pot-belly you normally hide under your babariga in Dallas and Houston area crowded parties.
Folks,
I don't mean to disrupt your academic prowess and intellectual debates. Keep it rolling!
___________________ THE MORE YOU LOOK THE LESS YOU SEE Posts: 539 | From: Sin City, Sin World | Registered: Mar 2001
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Body dey o, iyawo nko? Anyway that thing wey you dey call pot belle, the real name na biggie man belle. But man no get am o as busy as I dey and all that but I sure sey Waypoint1 get am and Biafra too.
Anyway Enugu/Wawwa people go meet on the weekend of August 22nd sha. If you come, I go fix you up with a nice woman or two.
Iyawo ke! I have been in a deep mess ever since I got involved with this fifty-two year old woman, fifteen years my senior, who's been taking me for a very long ride. I will be lucky if I get out alive.
My way out is to relocate, that way, I will have the opportunity to date Enugu women. Is it true that Waawa women are rigid and have no emotions?
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Are you an eavesdropper? Stop acting like one and drop the pretense to mild mannerism. It is said:
“Eavesdroppers never hear any good of themselves”
Do you believe that “mild-mannered reasoning” provides a license for propaganda?
Do you believe that “mild-mannered reasoning”exempts your views and opinions from meticulous scrutiny and vigorous rebuttal?
Does “mild-mannered reasoning” restrain or arrest your opponent from demonstrating flaws in your position, flaws which could be deliberate and calculated strategies, disguised in “mild-mannered reasoning”?
Does “mild-mannered reasoning”contain an opponent from impassioned rejection of your position without being goaded through their passion into losing focus by your consciously distracting accusations of rudeness and incivility?
Bottom line:
Does “mild-mannered reasoning” arrest your opponent from returning maliciously cynical fire with uncivil fire? Does it compel him or her to have to remain “mild”in responding to your comments?
Judging by your antecedents and approach, it would seem that your answer to the questions posed above would-be an “unequivocal” affirmative! Fair enough?
If this is so, I'm sorry to inform you that you have grossly miscalculated!!! No one has been fooled by your pretense all along.
You seemed to have been courting an attack as if with a purpose in mind. Go back and read the comment by NwaAro which is supposed to have triggered the unloading of your premeditated bile;
quote: When next you want to post, please just be the TRIBALISED Yoruba that your posts portray you to be and stop pretending you are better than those you accuse of "whinning" when they call a spade by its name.
Is this it? Please tell us particularly what about this statement justified your deviation since then from the main thrust of this thread in some of the following remarks?
quote:It suits you just fine for the Yoruba race to embark on a constant journey of attrition with a Fela Anikulapo as the ship captain, and a Gani Fawehinmi as the compass connoiseur. In that case, the mantra becomes "some Yorubas are fantastic people, i just love them, y'know". On the other hand, when a Professor Aluko affirm a Yoruba educational superiority bunkum, the tone changes to " Those Yorubas again". To all of you who are thus conflicted, reach into the inner recesses of your minds, navigate your compasses deftly through your esophagus, taking care not to tilt/disturb the hate-filled bile, and come to terms with the reality that just as you have a right to defend Igbo, others have the right to defend their own group, afterall you are an Igbo first, Nigerian second, German third - in that order. It does not matter to you that setting up a website in the name of BiafraNigeria.com in itself is a case of tribalism to be met with the charge of high treason(by your logic).
quote:whenever you spin out untruths and innuendos about the Yoruba, be sure that I will pick holes in your endeavor, and put out a version of facts that more accurately reflects the peace-loving people of the southwest.
All this because you were accused of being “the TRIBALISED Yoruba that your posts portray you to be”?
You've gone to great lengths in this forum to show that you or not a tribal jingoist, in fact you carry your supposed mildness as a badge of honor that is supposed to broadcast automatic de-tribalism.
If you're confronted by a forum member who chooses to call you a tribalist despite your hallowed opinion of yourself, how did that comment automatically confer his opinion of you to your entire tribe?
Indeed how did that comment automatically warrant your subsequent vitriolic outpouring against the entire forum? Especially given the context of this thread up to that point?
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You have also made many cavalier assertions in your postings past and present, assertions which while being couched in “mild-mannered reasoning” have nonetheless contained malicious and cynical propaganda, lets just take one for example:
quote:“Howard is no Nsukka where even an Eastern minority like Isaac Adaka Boro was harassed and haunted down for the better part of his stay in the school, just for doing the unthinkabe by contesting an elective position of the students' union in the heartland of the igbo”
Wouldn't it be pushing it to expect people to hold their fire when in the fell swoop of a mild-mannered statement you deliberately inject poisonous propaganda into casual comments. Those on this forum who reject such views and find such strategy abhorrent (since they understand its first hand impact) will naturally confront the purveyor in many fashions not the least of which could be uncivil.
Wacko has been gracious not to go for the jugular and reduce you, he has given you the chance to demonstrate or prove empirically how you arrived at your cavalier conclusion (beyond verbatim regurgitation of unfounded opinions);
Malicious conclusions which suggest a grand scheme to gain dominance by Igbos, well before the Civil War.
Malicious conclusions which was used as propaganda to justify and encourage the mass genocidal pogroms that destroyed many innocent Igbo lives wantonly.
Malicious conclusions which was used as propaganda in the past and is still being used to project the impression of irreparable and irreconcilable hatred among Igbos and their Southeast neighbors as a way to drive a perpetual wedge of suspicion and hatred in order to gain southeastern disunity for the purpose of perpetual containment of potential Igbo self-help
Let us digress for a moment and consider the meaning of the word propaganda: Please review the following Source:
2. According to the Oxford dictionary and thesaurus: /pr p "g nd / noun 1 organized propagation of a doctrine etc. 2 usually derogatory ideas etc. so propagated. propagandist noun. ·advertising, brainwashing, disinformation, indoctrination, persuasion, publicity.
3. According to Merriam-Webster dictionary:
Pronunciation: "prä-p&-'gan-d&, "prO- Function: noun Etymology: New Latin, from Congregatio de propaganda fide Congregation for propagating the faith, organization established by Pope Gregory XV died 1623 Date: 1718 1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions 2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person 3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect - pro·pa·gan·dist /-dist/ noun or adjective - pro·pa·gan·dis·tic /-"gan-'dis-tik/ adjective - pro·pa·gan·dis·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb
In reckless abandon of your prior pretences, you went ahead and declared the following:
quote:“It does not take a rocket scientist to tell the sequence of events re: Adaka Boro. You only need to pick up a copy of his biography from Barnes and Noble or any reputable bookstore. My point being that Adaka Boro faced unnecessary harassments and extreme persecution in the hands of his brothers and sisters; the Igbos, at the UNN just because he aspired to lead the College Student Union. If you or anyone has evidence to disprove this, please come forth, or forever hold your peace. Igbos are one of the most clannish races on the face of the Earth, and i say this with no equivocation whatsoever.”
All in the attempt to justify the animosity and contempt of which you have been deluding yourself into thinking were fooled all along?
Isn’t it now self evident that going on a dramatic and hysterical self-appointed rampage in supposed stoic and brave defense of Yoruba honor as a ruse to disseminate a failed propaganda strategy is useless in this unabashedly straightforward forum? Isn’t it clear now and that the sooner you know this the less you will stress yourself.
Continue in your tirades if you must but please drop the pretense about civility which you have clearly demonstrated that you do not possess. Drop the pretense at intellectuality. Your close minded refusal to accept Wacko’s revelations has demonstrated the limitations very starkly.
You're now welcome to join the pedestrian masses in our uncouth and uncultured ramblings in which we spare others the unnecessary intrigues of aimless insincerity and misguided propaganda.
Rhetoric is one thing, but Insincerity to ones self in the type of diehard bigoted propaganda you seek to peddle here is yet another animal altogether!
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Ednut: The University of Ibadan was founded in 1948, as an external College of the University of London. It gained autonomy in 1962. Ibadan was the first university established in Nigeria and remains one of its premier institutions of higher learning.-World University facts. UNN was founded in 1960.
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You seemed to have been courting an attack as if with a purpose in mind. Go back and read the comment by NwaAro which is supposed to have triggered the unloading of your premeditated bile;
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When next you want to post, please just be the TRIBALISED Yoruba that your posts portray you to be and stop pretending you are better than those you accuse of "whinning" when they call a spade by its name. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this it? Please tell us particularly what about this statement justified your deviation since then from the main thrust of this thread in some of the following remarks?... UkaObasi
In trying to be more "national" than you clearly ARE NOT, you guys make mockery of yourselves. When next you want to post, please just be the TRIBALISED Yoruba that your posts portray you to be and stop pretending you are better than those you accuse of "whinning" when they call a spade by its name....Nwa Aro
The Yorubas may think they are smart, but as Obasanjo and his kinsmen and his fellow gang of election riggers continue this macabre dance using the beat-rythme of "Obasanjo will convene a sovereign national conference" as refrain, all I can say is, DANCE ON. We Igbos are not singing nor will we join you in your DANCE OF SHAME.
Ka Chineke mezie Okwu. .....Nwa Aro
Don't you see a pattern here?
quote:Drop the pretense at intellectuality. Your close minded refusal to accept Wacko’s revelations has demonstrated the limitations very starkly
. UkaObasi
I make no pretense to intellectuallity of any sort. I have not come to this forum brandishing a PhD or JD. I made it clear from the onset that my interest lies in exploring the reasons for the bitterness between the Igbos and Yorubas, (of course i now understand the folly of doing that, i will now let sleeping dogs lie). If you take my postings in totality, it becomes evident that my intentions were noble..just thought i could make a small difference without getting drowned in the cacophony of Yorubaphobia.
quote:I made it clear from the onset that my interest lies in exploring the reasons for the bitterness between the Igbos and Yorubas, (of course i now understand the folly of doing that, i will now let sleeping dogs lie).
You came hiding under noble intentions of 'exploring the reasons' while all the time your intentions were to add insult to injury, by trying to claim that the yorubas were blameless. You did something similiar in a previous post where you claimed something to the effect that the yoruba's fought against Abacha as compared to the Igbos. When you were presented with compelling evidence to the contrary, you fled promising to return with 'some hard facts'. You have now repeated one of those false stories that was used to pitch our minorities brothers agaist us. Again you were presented with a compelling counter argument, rather than accept the story for what it was, you blurted out your source and ran. You are a grown and educated man, I expect that you should at least be in a position to analyse the facts before you and come to a logical conclussion as to what to believe. This is why some of us have gone to lenghts to provide you with the relevant facts. You see why I have to say that your stated intentions were not your true intentions?
I have to inform you of a Custom in BNW, when new forumites join, older member tend to point out to the new member that he should fasten his seatbelts. This actually means that you should be sure of your facts before you put it down. I feel that I should explain it as this fact seems lost on you. Were this not the case, I dont think that you would have gone to challenge Adekunle' Yorubaness.
BTW: did you know that Awolowo ordered the removal of all Western Region Property in the minority areas of the former western region, after they voted to have the Midwest Region?. Apart from the very obvious, items removed include chairs, tables. type writers, typing and carbon paper,office pins (clips) etc MidWest region started from scratch because of this action. So much for the Yoruba's love for the minorities.
The intention here is not to drive you away. There is neither any unwarranted censorship by the Administrator. You may not believe it, but we need you.
If we are sincere in our approach and honest in our expectations, then I'm sure you will be able to navigate through the rough waters undeterred to stick to your desired goal if it is noble.
Among Igbos alone, the issues that can keep us apart are legion, so it should come as no surprise to you that in a forum populated by more Igbos, you are likely to hear what you imagine to be a "caucophony of Yorubaphobia".
Brutal honesty by all is called for if what we seek is not petty one-upmanship through unnecessary propaganda, but a truly profound desire to scrap the cobwebs of our past false relationships to allow each other to breathe a little first in order to even begin to dream of a collective vision; let alone glorifying that from Obasanjo/Atiku/Anenih/Nzeribe or any of their myriad supporters be they of whatever tribe.
___________________ YA CAIN'T KEEP A GOOD MAN DOWN :) Posts: 1182 | From: TEXAS | Registered: Oct 2001
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The coward has been beaten with superior facts, and like a typical yoruba elite who thrives on crude propaganda/falsehood, he must run away with his tail tucked between. This is why they prefer isolation, where they can wallow in ignorance of being the "most shofisticated, educated" chauvinists in the entire black world. When they venture outside their dingy odua cacoon, where titles hold no water, and performanc is the yardstick, they can't defend their "shofistication" or education.
Can you imagine a phobia about the yoruba? Well, maybe for fear of mismanaging things and for being such a nation of creeps. olusegun obasanjo is their leader!
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I salute all of una oh! ibi like say una be real agbalagba people, the men of timber and caliber. Nothing wey man pikin nefer hear for this una forum, so tey some don dey nak oba english. Dat one wey dem dey call smesme. Make una dey now!
___________________ I Love Gruppo Femminile Posts: 57 | From: Lexington, MA USA | Registered: Jun 2003
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Welcome Ejiro to BNW and watch out for some of the serious guys like okwy, nwabiafra and the pycho waypoint1. If you need a date, email Regina or Chinyere if she is off work or waypoints favorite forum girl from Lagos.
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Thank you ojare! U know say me a dey ready well well for all de agbalagba and jipiti barbarians wey dey for here. I carry my bullet proof to protect man body aginst any of their bullets, so make u know tink say man no dey ready for all de smesme wey dey nak oba English wey wan run all of us over.
How your mata now? Sebi dem say u get dem bokwu for yonder. Take am easy oh, and make you dey now!
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