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Every once in a while, some foolish Yoruba boy forces those who know the history of BiafraNigeria to step out,
quote:The Yoruba Nation and the Rest of Us
By
Chidi Peter Eze
The problem with America is that they have worked very hard through the rigors of life to succeed, but they find it hard to subject their children to hard work through such rigors of life that made them very successful--------Patrick Rogers.
In the same vein, the problem with those our brothers and sisters left of the center is that they have gotten it so easy that they are now finding it very difficult to manage them selves and the profits that they could no longer remember the route that got them there and all those who lived and died for them to profit.
HOW IT ALL BEGAN: It will be recalled that between the year 1964 and 1965, the entire Yoruba nation was burning and burning deep too. The exit of their political icon chief Obafemi Awolowo occasioned by his treason and his subsequent guilty verdict and his final imprisonment, created a serious leadership vacuum in the west. Thus a power tussle between chief Adegbenro and chief Akintola surfaced. Akintola being chief Awolowo's deputy premier became the premier after the exit of the chief.
To maintain his power and assume political supremacy of the western region, Akintola went into alliance with his faction of the Action Group, (the tribal organization controlling the west then) with the ruling NPC government of Alhaji Abubakar Tafawa Balewa and formed what was known as NNA. Ndigbo sensing the agenda that would spell doom for the Yorubas, quickly came to their rescue by creating a formidable alliance with the other pro Awolowo faction of AG to form what was known as UPGA, a plat form that saw the emergency of chief Adegbenro and his subsequent electoral victory in the premiership of the western region. However, chief Akintola refused to concede to chief Adegbenro's victory and vacate the government house prompting serious political confusion that tantamount to heavy political violence, break down of law and order.
As a result of the volatility and it's resultant deaths associated with the political impasse, the federal government of Alhaji Abubakar declared a state of emergency in the west and appointed Alhaji Fajekodumi as the administrator of the western region. Many Yoruba political elites were arrested and detained. There were rampart killings resulting in the excess loss of lives and properties. Ndigbo could not sit and see the west disappear in Nigeria's political map, hence the rescue by the military boys in January 15, 1966, what the inglorious historians now term "Igbo Coup". What could appear to be interventionism and rescue operation using a military method, was now termed Igbo coup just to disparage Ndigbo and justify the indiscipline in the semi-baked individuals in the then Nigerian army who under pretext unleash mayhem on Ndigbo in July 29, 1966 and there after.
On that July 29, 1966 General J.T.U. Aguiyi-Ironsi was murdered along with Lt-Col Francis Adekunle Fajuyi. The total occupation of the Yoruba land had begun.
The most senior military officer and hitherto the 2nd in command to Gen. Ironsi, brigadier Babatunde Ogundipe, was intimidated and scared to his pant by a northern sergeant, so he capitulated and ran away ignorable. This was a brigadier and that was a sergeant. Boy! What a brave general.
'Dr.' Akintide what do you say about that? Mr. 'Dr' in inter- net operating on a high school knowledge. I am not talking about Dr. Wumni Akintide, B Sc. Yaba bus stop, Lagos. M Sc. Ojuelegba, Lagos. Ph.D. Shomolu, Lagos. What a dokita.
Talk of Igbo coup, what happened to the story that police IG Mr. Louis Edet was already on live sequel to his retirement, Gen. Ironsi was to proceed on leave, brigadier Zakari Maimalari was to act in his place over his seniors, brigadier Ogundipe and brigadier Samuel Ademolegu. Alhaji Kam Salem the police AIG, was to act as IG over the DIG Mr. Timothy Omobare. Gowon was to take over the command of 2nd brigade Ikeja, Lagos. All at the same time. Was there a hidden agenda in the making or a coincidence or a normal administrative routine? This is a question for the tribal theorists and architect of the term, Igbo coup.
Like they say, "After thunder comes rain". July 6, 1967 came. Yoruba land was still an occupied territory. Rather than fight to de-occupy their land they instead took up arms and aimed them at, not the occupation army, but at Ndigbo, which gave credence to the words of a prominent former director of The Daily Times of Nigeria, a Yoruba, who said that the problem with Yorubas is that they would never confront their enemies head on, but friends of their enemies. It is on record that Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe saved chief Awolowo from being dumped into the prison in the north, instead to be transferred to the east. Yet the same chief was the man who insisted on starving Ndigbo and their children to death. The same chief was the man who felt that all what Igbo man worth was 20 pounds after the civil war. The same chief was the man who invented the indigenization decree, so Yorubas could buy all foreign companies and businesses in Lagos before Ndigbo would recover from the war. Make all the money available, drain the Nigeria's economy clean and render the companies insolvent and subject the nation's economy comatose. Well it all happened in the 70s. Today a new and emerging group with the same, but refurbished tactic has surfaced. Their model, Ndigbo are now down let's step on them. Let's continue to beat on them and their leader General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, so we can remind them that it was wrong and a crime to defend your self in the face of collateral destruction, that way we can cover our ignorance and cowardice.
Let us cover up our inglorious deficiencies and harp only on Ndigbo. Let us remind them that Ojukwu lost election in 1983, the same year chief Awolowo vied for an election for the 2nd time and was elected prime minister or is it president except that he could not find a good mathematician from Oduduwa land who could figure out the 2/3 of 19. Let us forget that Ojukwu stood behind his people to the hilt, but remind them that he ran away to save his neck. But we must never ever mention that brigadier Babatunde Ogundipe abridged his constitutional and military responsibility and ran away when an ordinary sergeant scared him. We must never mention that chief MKO Abiola of the blessed memory ran away when frightened by the northern Generals. We should never mention that another army General, our son knelt down, cried and prostrated to a major, but for this revelation, we must ask our Aremu to hold down and never to release that major in question. Is it General Donaldson Oladipo Diya or Major Hamza Al Mustapha? We must never remind them that our lousy noises, our pomposity, our cockiness are because Babangida, Abdul Salami Abubakar and all the northern power structure have "Aremunized" (from Aremu) Nigeria to compensate us for the De-abiolinization of Nigeria. Let us take advantage of this Aremunization and make Yoruba language the language of Aso Rock to show the rest of the country that we are in control. We must continue to express our Igbophobic insatiability. Once we are done putting Ojukwu and Ndigbo down, we will then select a leader for them. We will employ the services of all the Oduduwa pastors and prophets. We have already recruited Rev. Sunday Mbang.
Our idol chief Obasanjo is already implementing our missions on Ndigbo among other things, which include appointing only their women in some visible positions and picking up some of their men of irrelevant quantity such as Ojo Mmaduekwe, Iwuanyanwu and co who will be our spies on Ndigbo and also help to destabilize them and sabotage their plans. Let it be known that we are the sons of Oduduwa who sold the abandoned property program to Ken Sarowiwa who bought it and took it to General Yakubu Gowon to append the seal of the federal military government to make it the law of the land never to be revoked. We may have exhausted the usefulness of chief Emeka Offor, but we have found and developed another mole named Chris Uba. We must use him and support him to destabilize Anambra state, that way we continue to rubbish on Ndigbo and embarrass Gen. Ojukwu. We will for now put chief Emeka Offor in the cooler to avoid the public reaction to TAM (Turn Around Maintenace) contract since no refinery in the country is functioning. This time we will let him appoint few men of Igbo extraction, but have him put Mr. Ojo Mmaduekwe on stand by so that if these new male folks do not learn the rope of sabotage, we will have him replace the fellow with Ojo who is a tasted and dependable ally. We will for now have Ojo Mmaduekwe to train the new recruits on the art of betrayal and spying. We have already recruited one tukumbo professor living somewhere in Boston, Mass. We like his dossiers on Ojukwu and Buhari. We will use him and dump him since his ideas are senile for ministerial post. We will remind our Aremu to be sure to put back sister Modupe Adelaja to a prominent position because she reminded us that Ndigbo should be restricted to the business of buying and selling. What an intelligent observation. After we are done with Ndigbo we will then focus our attention on the Hausa /Fulani. We have used our OPC on them on several occasions and since the army and the police are in our hands no body is going to mess with us. We have already advised Our Aremu not to be serious on the issue of the death of chief James Ajibola Ige and the trial. Therefore Mr. Omisore should be released and should take cover in the Nigerian senate, but Mr. Aremu should never ever mention anything concerning Gen. Ishaya Bamaiyi, Hamza Al Mustapha, James Dambaba and other individuals of northern extraction rusting in Kirikiri yet to be tried and convicted. After all we have likes of Justice Ade Alabi. Boy we have them all. We have the NUC. We have the JAMB. We have the entire security system. We have the police. We have the central bank. We recently kicked out that Ibo man Mr. Azie from the position of Auditor-General for exposing the corruption in our Aremu's administration and gave it back to our man Mr. Joseph Ajiboye. We have the accountant -general Mr. Nuiru, we have the chair of the ICPC in the name of justice Akambi so if you are from Oduduwa land you can embezzle as much as you can. No problem. We have already gotten Dr. Makanjuola, former permanent secretary in the ministry of defense that embezzled only 421 million naira, off the hook. We constitute 70% of oil workers both junior and senior staff in the country. We never had it so good. Thank you Mr. Babangida. Thank you very much. You are really the evil genus. You are living true to your name. We are glad you annulled the election of chief Abiola in 1993. Our YCE's have asked us not to campaign for the national conference any more because that will be next to confronting Mr. Aremu. He has the control of the national assembly, the judiciary, the army and the police and all the security structures, what ever we want we get. We had the entire education system and we are going to get it back, Courtesy of Aremu. We must make sure that the closest Ibo man can come to power is true whom we selected for them, but never whomever they want. We can give them Orji Kalu to deputize to whomever we will select for president in 2007 or we will ask our subjects and moles in the national assembly to amend the constitution so Mr. Aremu will continue after 2007 after all this is Africa where life president is constitutional. Orji Kalu will not be harmful to our interest. In short, he is a big hypocrite. We must never capitulate on the rivalry in Ndigbo and us. We have employed the services of all our Drs. Such as Ruben Abati, Wumni Akintide, Tunde Adenodi and many others to continue to berate Ndigbo, Ojukwu and Okadigbo. We have even a guy who is representing us at the Supreme Court of England named Mr. Odutola.
Fellow Nigerians who are not from Oduduwa environment, never mind all these rubbish. Nothing lasts forever. Every one knows this region as a territory of people intoxicated with arrogant certainties. Those stereotyped egg- heads with a hyper tribalistic pride who have always been indoctrinated to be first class as free loaders. The Amala-swilling chauvinistic boors who invaded Aso Rock through corrupt fiat. It is a big mistake for any Yoruba man to think that Ndigbo will ever give in to black mail. It is a big mistake for any Yoruba man or woman to expect Ndigbo to knell down and prostrate. Prostration is not in Ndigbo culture. Ibo man does not worship any human being, but God Almighty. You can cheat and muzzle some people at some times, but not all people at all times. The battle must continue and there certainly will be no end until the beginning ends. Let the reactions begin, but I mean all I said, stand by it, and will have no apology to any one. Take it or leave it.
quote:Let the reactions begin, but I mean all I said, stand by it, and will have no apology to any one. Take it or leave it.
I doubt if any self respecting Yoruba will dignify the above trash with a reaction. I mean, can anyone make out the head from the tail in this vainglorious expedition in self mockery?. Surely this guy can do better than expose his dire limitations.
quote:Mr. 'Dr' in inter- net operating on a high school knowledge. I am not talking about Dr. Wumni Akintide, B Sc. Yaba bus stop, Lagos. M Sc. Ojuelegba, Lagos. Ph.D. Shomolu, Lagos. What a dokita.
It looks like someone we know here may have been wandering from forum to forum.
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....never mind all these rubbish. ...Every one knows this region as a territory of people intoxicated with arrogant certainties. Those stereotyped egg- heads with a hyper tribalistic pride who have always been indoctrinated to be first class as free loaders. The Amala-swilling chauvinistic boors who invaded Aso Rock through corrupt fiat.....
For those who didn't know the core nature of these people before 1999, here you have it. Can any one imagine NdiIgbo/Hausa controling the butimen fields in Yoruba land. Yet the oilfields in Igboland are controlled by the Yoruba. Arrogantly enough, they think they have the most "shofisticated" skilled personnel in BiafraNigeria, and this makes this loopsidedness alright.
The day of reckoning is fast approaching though; the slew of foreign protectors of olusegun obasanjo in BiafraNigeria will not prevent the final conquest of Yoruba land.
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quote:I doubt if any self respecting Yoruba will dignify the above trash with a reaction.
Now I understand why there is so much doubt about addy's yorubaness; the respectability of it, that is.
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Honestly, I am getting sick and tired of Yoruba bashing by the Igbo anywhere you go. Even though the Igbo may never appreciate the good things the Yorubas have done for them, it is on record in the nation's history that Igbos have fared better in Yoruba lands than the moslem North.
Never mind the ups and downs, never in its state of turmoil did the Igbos in Yorubaland suffer as they did in the Hausa-Fulani North. So what's the beef about all the Yoruba bashing everywhere you go?
This can also be analyzed from another perspective. The second generation Igbos who were born in Yoruba land speaks Yoruba fluently rather than Igbo, Hausa, kwale or other local languages. They are now much more incorporated into Yoruba society insofar as language, dress and food is concerned. Their popular culture has been influenced and to a considerable extent integrated with Yoruba culture. They attend an all out Yoruba schools.
So may I ask again, what's the beef about yoruba bashing?
And seriously speaking, such a situation could never have occured had relations between the Yorubas and the Igbos been hostile. However, important tensions did emerge in the 60's before the civil war. Had there been a deep-seated hatred of the Igbos at that time, they would have been murdered enmasse. What happened was, the Yorubas did not consider their presence disturbing, and so did not harm them, rather they (Yorubas) protected them from the Hausa-Fulanis who sought them for elimination.
Take a look at the prospering Igbo trading communities of Alaba, Idumota, Ketu, Ojota, Oshodi, Boundary, Olodi, Amukoko and Isolo and you would find a new generation of Igbos who are grateful for Yoruba kindness and generosity.
Let's be honest and come to terms with reality. War will never be the answer, so let's unite and build a better nation. I have seen signs of progress--the intermarriages and cultural exchange.
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quote:Take a look at the prospering Igbo trading communities of Alaba, Idumota, Ketu, Ojota, Oshodi, Boundary, Olodi, Amukoko and Isolo and you would find a new generation of Igbos who are grateful for Yoruba kindness and generosity.
Mazi Bisi, welcome. I don't think that the Igbos want to have their business in Yorubaland. The Igbos want to be able to move their goods to Onitsha through river niger and to have the Calabar and the Port Harcourt ports developed but the nigerian government will not have that. Infact their are laws made by nigerians to protect lagos ports and as such support yoroba businesses at the expence of the Igboman and the Eastern nigerians. Why is Enugu airport not yet an International airport? The Igbos donot want to deal with that Ikeja airport but what choice do they have today?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bisi Alakija: [QB] Honestly, I am getting sick and tired of Yoruba bashing by the Igbo anywhere you go. Even though the Igbo may never appreciate the good things the Yorubas have done for them, it is on record in the nation's history that Igbos have fared better in Yoruba lands than the moslem North.
Omo Bisi, Thanks for your candid expression about NDIIGBO doing better than the rest of Nigeria.Not only in Yoroba land but every other place. So uptill now your people has refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that NDI IGBO is Gods chosen? are you too blind to see the abundant blessings that followed NDI IGBO everywhere that they dwell?.Have you asked yourself how many good houses are not owned by NDI IGBO in NIGERIA . Do you think that PA AWO given NDI IGBO 20 pounds a family can stop the blessing of the almighty ? Hence the North felt that Ndi Igbo are not good to be at the helm of affairs ,at least to bring in the expertise that was used to rattle the World during the Civil war that the Yorubas planned and help the Hausas to execute ,with ferrociuosness that made Germans slaughtering of the Jews look childish.
Know this -"YOU CANNOT KEEP A GOOD MAN DOWN"
We all know that if Ndi Igbo decide to stay of business in Nigeria ,then the worst will happen because it is only Ndi Igbo that control individual cash inflow,buying and selling .Importation and distribution of general goods. The era of yoroba controlling Government companies like P.Z ,Cadbury ,Lever brothers are over ,because Ndi igbo has started importing goods that are cheaper and greater than that you can get from those old government controlled companies, that was sold to yorobas by awo after the war.If you are angry with the position of Ndi Igbo in todays nIGERIA ,then you have to committ suicide soon because every goodies that will happen to nIGERIA must be from Ndi Igbo.That is to say -if you want to go to a good private school ,Ndi Igbo are there to provide it for you,If you want to live in a good house ,We shall provide ,If you want good Job even in Us/Europe Ndi Igbo will do that for you.Want to ride a good Car ? ask onye igbo to help you . If you want to be real and objective ?just ask onye igbo.
I want to advise us that if at all we want a workable nIGERIA, then we must call on the intellect of Ndi Igbo. That is to say give nIGERIA over to ONYE IGBO for a restoration. That was what Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu wanted to do ,back in 66 and it was tagged IGBO coup !!!But 37years after the Nzeogwus ,we are still craving for what they tried to give us free ,that we would,nt let them -freedom and equity,justice and fair play,accountability and intergrity in office.Today we are neck deep in vices they were trying to pull us out from -bribery,corruption,avarice and greed.We are now sunk and overwhelmed in them,battered and frustrated ,we look here and there for a messiah with some knowledge of Magical arts,who will in a day refill the treasury that took 37 years to evacute.
This is were nIGERIA behave like the JEWS,we handed our messiah over to be killed,we sacrified them on the alter of self interest,ethnicity and religious hypocrisy.Today like the JEWS we are squatted and bruised,crushed ,handicapped and waiting for a restoration in a vaccum. Today the messaih is at the gate but the greatest fear is for us to miss him again ,and of misinterpreting his role again.We are looking for he who will sweep our house clean of impostors ,sin-ators,Gulpernors,House of reps and impoorverisation of the masses.
The messiah is at the door and ready to work to the restoration ,if only nIGERIA will recognise him once again and forget tribal affliction. Remain bless
Umuibe
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quote: That is to say give nIGERIA over to ONYE IGBO for a restoration. That was what Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu wanted to do ,back in 66 and it was tagged IGBO coup !!!
...Umuibe
I firmly hold the belief that out of every rambling, it is possible to extract some sense, if only one is able to read between the lines. The above quote is a classic example. Umuibe may be quite up to something here. Away with the self-serving theory that the coup was meant to install Obafemi Awolowo, being daily served by such revisionists on this board like Chiboy, Nwa Aro, UkaObasi, Patrick, Waco, the Biafras(Nwa, Point1, etc), Amadi O. Now we know.
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This line of thought is a part response to the thread above and the general questions about Yorubas and a kind of a self affirming reply.
You maintain in this tread that Igbos everywhere and particular in the forum are bashing Yorubas.
As an Igbo person I don not know what Yorubas are so keen to stay on in Nigeria for? I have tried looking from the Yoruba perspective to see the attraction for the one Nigeria Yorubas. It seems to me that the Yorubas who in the mean are keen on a Yoruba state of their own are the rare and immensely intelligent one -I will dig out the articles if I have them in an electronic form.
But to me, the gain the Yoruba in Nigeria have compared to Oduduwa nation is far less. In Nigeria, they have:
Oil allocation of 3% Igbo Interference Hausa-fulani Interference
and in Oduduwa republic:
Oil allocation of 100% Free hand to do all they want.
I do not know if the mass of the Yoruba people know this but there is oil in Ogun state, Lagos state and Ondo. From this, one must ask is the oil from the 100% Oduduwa state less then 3% allocation within Nigeria, even with say the extra allocation from the central government -when a Yoruba seems control the oil as now. I still feel that the Oduduwa republic in terms of oil is more rewarded. If we accept that the oil revenue is $18 billion per year for Nigeria at the optimum without the Ijaw wars, and the oil production of Oduduwa states is 6% of this, and therefore $1.08 billion. Of the actual revenue, 6 Yoruba states actually get (6/36*$18 billion) = $3.0 billion. So it looks like the Yoruba states if they left Nigeria will lose $1.92 billion a year. But from Yoruba people, I know that this money is more than made up from investments and growing economy that will be case under Oduduwa republic.
But this calculation is a bit simple. The Itshekiri, Edo, Urhobo, Igala and other will go into Oduduwa republic. The oil production from these other areas, mainly Itshekiri and Urhobo will be another 20% of production and making the total for the Oduduwa republic 26% ($4.68 billion).The Oduduwa republic will increase from 20 million Yorubas with $1.08 billion oil GDP to 23 million with the minorities. The oil income per capita will increase from $54 per capita to $203 with the minorities within Oduduwa states. Under this scenario the Yorubas are better under Oduduwa republic.
The Igbo Biafra will not be better off than the Oduduwa republic with minorities as the scenario shows. The only people who will not benefit is the Hausa-Fulanis and a few other who do no negotiate into the 3 southern states with oil. The Biafran minorities will include Efik-Annag-Ibibios, Idomas, and others.
From the above analysis, I ask my self, why do the Yorubas want to stay in Nigeria at their disadvantage. Have all the sons of Oduduwas been brain washed by the Hausa-Fulani to believe that Nigeria is better for them; or is it fear. You Yoruba people in this thread try to help me understand why Nigeria is so very important to better your future. Thanks the heavens that there are some Yorubas who are not blinded by the anti Yoruba son of theirs, Aremu Obasanjo.
Please, I do not want to be humored. I don't want people telling me we can build up Nigeria together, share our culture, etc. We can share culture without having to be one country. We can develop without always blaming one another. We can not be a super power of Africa by population alone. Super power without food, is no super power.
___________________ Onye ji obuadana na aka fu Nmadu.
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Bisi: -------------------------------------------------- "Honestly, I am getting sick and tired of Yoruba bashing by the Igbo anywhere you go. Even though the Igbo may never appreciate the good things the Yorubas have done for them, it is on record in the nation's history that Igbos have fared better in Yoruba lands than the moslem North."---Bisi --------------------------------------------------
Boy, you just came into the room, so dont get "sick" before you get "tired." What you should ask yourself is why are Igbos "bashing" Yoruba "anywhere you go"? The answer is not far-fetched. After taking trash from the Northerners for years under military and semi-military regimes, if you Yorubas think you can subdue the Igbos through one of your own in Abuja AT ALL COST, then you guys are underestimating the fighting will and spirit of Ndigbo. May I remind you and others for the uptenth time that Ndigbo is one rare race in Africa that can BE GOVERNED but will under no circumstace or reason allow itself to be ruled as the Yorubas think and manifest in the actions of Obasanjo & co. WE WANT TO BE GOVERNED NOT RULED and it doesn't matter if its "moslem north" or so-called Yoruba christian south. Not even the British were that succesful in bringing the Igbos under their RULE, so why do you Yorubas dream of the day Ndigbo will bow before you as you do before your god-like Obas?
------------------------------------------------- "This can also be analyzed from another perspective. The second generation Igbos who were born in Yoruba land speaks Yoruba fluently rather than Igbo, Hausa, kwale or other local languages. They are now much more incorporated into Yoruba society insofar as language, dress and food is concerned. Their popular culture has been influenced and to a considerable extent integrated with Yoruba culture. They attend an all out Yoruba schools."---Bisi --------------------------------------------------
If it were a white fellow who wrote the trash you wrote above I would have forgivin him, but coming from a fellow black who should know better the effect of colonization and neo-colonization, I cant help than tell you that we Igbos want our kids and off-springs, irrespective of their place of birth to SPEAK and WRITE IGBO FIRST before any other foreign language; be it Yoruba or english. Ask any sociologist near you and he will tell you that if you want to destroy a person or people, then just make them forget their language and culture. Is that what you pray for those UNFORTUNATE Igbos simply because they were born/brought up in your backyard? BTW, why is it so hard for you Yorubas to lead in that intergration (if you mean what you wrote) by adopting to speak and write the language of the other nations in Nigeria you settle in? For up till date, most Yorubas I know who live outside Yorubaland (especially in the north and Igboland) hardly speak or write those languages, so what is wrong with you Yorubas adopting to other peoples language, culture, etc? Is it the Yoruba syndrome of DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO in play here?
--------------------------------------------------"...However, important tensions did emerge in the 60's before the civil war. Had there been a deep-seated hatred of the Igbos at that time, they would have been murdered enmasse. What happened was, the Yorubas did not consider their presence disturbing, and so did not harm them, rather they (Yorubas) protected them from the Hausa-Fulanis who sought them for elimination."---Bisi. --------------------------------------------------
Thanks for admitting that there were "tensions" between the Igbos and the Yorubas before the civil war. What we would expect to hear from you is WHO and WHAT caused that tension and how far have you the new generation Yorubas gone to better the situation. Unlike other Nigerians who are still in denial, thanks a million for finally admitting that Igbos were "sought for elimination." My question is is Awolowo who planned, sanctioned and carried out part of the ELIMINATE-THEM-ALL Nigerian plan a Fulani or Yoruba?
-------------------------------------------------- "Take a look at the prospering Igbo trading communities of Alaba, Idumota, Ketu, Ojota, Oshodi, Boundary, Olodi, Amukoko and Isolo and you would find a new generation of Igbos who are grateful for Yoruba kindness and generosity."---Bisi --------------------------------------------------
You should have found a more better way to insult the intellect of Igbos. When next you go to those places you mentioned just take a survey and ask those "prospering Igbo trading communities" if it happens tomorrow that the Federal government of Nigeria were to build an international airport in say Enugu or Owerri and foolow it up with building a seaport in say Onitsha as they are in Lagos if they will stay in Lagos a day longer. Before you and your "kind" Yoruba go about giving the wrong reasons why those Igbos swarm Lagos and other parts of Nigeria as bees in search of a better life, let me say that THE MAIN REASON why they move out of Igboland is because of the non-availability of those Federal-provided amenities mentioned above and more. NO IGBO IS OR SHOULD BE "GRATEFUL" TO ANY OTHER NIGERIAN (Yoruba included) FOR BEING DENIED THE RIGHT TO HAVE WHAT OTHER NATIONALITIES HAVE IN THEIR PART OF THE COUNTRY.
-------------------------------------------------- "War will never be the answer, so let's unite and build a better nation. I have seen signs of progress--the intermarriages and cultural exchange."---Bisi --------------------------------------------------
Better said than done! It's always easy to preach 'unity' when you are on the gaining side. We're all witness to how the Yorubas called for the balkanization of the the same Nigeria when the Northerners were on the driverseat prior to the coming of Obasanjo. On the much hyped issue of inter-racial marriages, may I inform you that more Nigerians in Germany are married to whites than are Igbos married to Yorubas or vice-versa. Being married to another race or ethnic group should not and must not be a reason for one group to dominate another, or for someone to be indifferent to the plight of his people. Afterall, true marriage is supposed to be a UNION OF EQUALS.
Finally, just like in the United States and other places where domination and oppression by one race over another has given way to a more fairer and better societies, if Nigeria should avoid the mistake of nations like Yugoslavia, she MUST apply the rule of SEPARATE BUT EQUAL to all her ethnic nationalities. Anything short of this is prosponing the dooms-day that lurks in the corner.
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Yoruba bashing is an igbo past time. I.m not asking you to condone/deal/cope with it, just telling you the fact as I know it. I.ve heared the bashings all my life and still hear them. If an igbo appreciate the Yoruba then something is wrong with that igboman. See the way it works-- if a Yorubaman delivers for an igboman that igboman will appreciate this very yorubaman and still bash the YORUBA TRIBE. When this same yorubaman does not deliver the igboman will see it as a grand plan of the YORUBA TRIBE to frustrate the igbos.
Nwa aro The yorubas do not underestimate the igbos, we know them very well. There is no doubt that ndigbo is one rare race not only in Africa but in the whole world. They have the spirit/will/zeal to do anything they want. They can even explore any planet. The problem is that half way through they will self-destroy and blame the Yoruba.
___________________ though tribe and tongue may differ in brotherhood we stand Posts: 25 | From: westchester new york | Registered: Jun 2003
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Igbo bashing and advising is a Yoruba past time. I.m not asking you to condone/deal/cope with it, just telling you the fact as I know it. I.ve heared the bashings all my life and still hear them. If a Yoruba appreciate the Igbo then something is wrong with that Yorubaman. See the way it works-- if an Igboman delivers for a Yorubaman that Yorubaman will appreciate this very Igboman and still bash and advise the IGBO TRIBE. When this same Igboman does not deliver the Yorubaman will see it as a grand plan of the IGBO TRIBE to outfox and frustrate the Yorubas.
Idowu,
The Igbos do not bash or underestimate the Yorubas, we know them very well. There is no doubt that Oodua is one rare race not only in Africa but in the whole world. They have the spirit/will/generousity to do anything they want. They can even educate and rule any planet. The problem is that half way through their aspirations, they self-destroy and blame the Igbo.
___________________ YA CAIN'T KEEP A GOOD MAN DOWN :) Posts: 1182 | From: TEXAS | Registered: Oct 2001
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I understand your concerns exactly. Igbo feel exactly the same way about the way they're bashed by Yoruba, after we give them wives and husbands to marry. You should see how successful the Yoruba taxi drivers and policemen in Port-Hacourt are. Even during the War many Yoruba families trapped in Biafra were safely kept and protected by many Igbos, so I honestly dont understand the development of Igbo bashing and unnecessary insults such as Omo-Yibo-ni, which had an all knowing tone used to refer to Igbos till date.
You only have to look at how evil Ojukwu turned out to be in Yoruba eyes after he freed Awo from prison.
We may also consider how insignificant the Igbo vote that won Abiola his much vaunted election became after A. Nzeribe, a known Igbo traitor had his say about his all influential and IBB overiding role in having it annulled.
Or is it how insignificant and adviseworthy Igbo members of NADECO along with their Igbo kind have become now that their despicable IGBO RACE is not in any reckoning of power.
All these decent Igbos who have always generously desired good as it applies to their fellow Southerners have never failed to be viewed as overly cunning and suspect, bashed, murdered in cold blood, and advised at will by any saliva drooling punk that comes along.
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quote:Originally posted by UKAOBASI: .....and advised at will by any saliva drooling punk that comes along.
It occurred to me my wording above may have been a little harsh. Please substitute punk with: Imbecile, or, Idiot savant, or dolt, dimwit, ignoramus, lamebrain, nitwit, oaf, sap, simpleton, yo-yo.
And I mean these in a nice way.
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Ukaobasi You were not that hash. It would have been nicer if you have added ignavus a um. That’s the big one missing after all I’m a Yoruba person. With ignoramus I can be forgiven (because I do not know better) but with ignavus a um I’m stuck with the blame. Calling me a PUNK? I’ll take that as a compliment, but remember real punks might be angry with you.
Thanx a lot for giving some yorubas wives and husbands to marry. If yorubas are successful in ph what will we say about the igbos in the west?
A lot of igbos trapped in the west were also protected by the yorubas too. By the way, my dad was in biafra till the end of the war.
I guess the expression “oro ndi ofe mmanu/ndi ngbati are Yoruba too
Emeka ojukwu released awo from prison for humanitarian reason/that he was rail roaded there in the first place.(that’s a different story)
Yes the igbos did vote for abiola and uncle segun, but remember that long before that, igbos had been elected into offices in the west.(lagos city council)
The bottom is we do bash each other, but in this forum some guys have taken it steps further, and I do not understand how they expect us to sidom look.
Well nwokem, as for nzeribe do not worry about him worry about those who are getting ready to step in his shoes.
___________________ though tribe and tongue may differ in brotherhood we stand Posts: 25 | From: westchester new york | Registered: Jun 2003
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I'm happy you got the point that we all do bash each other in one form or another. Let us not now compete to see who will accuse each other the best for so doing.
We are living in a forced union and bashing becomes the outcome. Beyond that, bashing is not as bad as murdering in cold blood genocide style which has been happening to Southerners in the North (mainly usually directed at Igbos).
It is also not as bad as having a revered politician of another nationality such as Awo, or Aremu, consciously decide to sojourn into your nationality's concentrated area of domicile and aggressively attempt to rip it to pieces or sow hatred, discord and ungovernability just to gain political advantage as in our British hatched entrapment which many of you hail once in political prominence.
Its just a tad demeaning to come to BNW to lecture Igbos on being more patriotic as some of our Hausa and Yoruba neighbors do, or using the next method implore us to be more cooperative in some manner of "Southern solidarity accross the Niger" for political leveraging, encouraging us us not to dwell in some vague hazy nightmare-like past as Addy started out doing when he well intentionedly reminded us how Igbos are really having the time of their lives in Yoruba areas trading and intermarrying.
Incidentally, I actually did not have you in mind when I was referring to "Saliva drooling punk" or "Saliva drooling Imbecile". As part Igbo, I have only complemented you in the past for having a legitimate claim to offer your advise and opinions as many of us Igbos do give often.
There are many Yoruba, Hausa, and "Other" (such as Omo Omoruyi) who have recently (especially during this Aremu season) found it not only an absolute necessity, but expedient to offer Igbos advice on an array of issues from political to personal. (Some have even sought to rewrite our history for us, all under the guise of placing us within their impression of the Nigerian context. Nowa Omoigui comes to mind).
Your introduction of the term "Ignavus a um" in reference to yourself, presumed I was referring to you and not the Wunmi Akintides of this world who at GAMJI.com can't seem to hide their celebration and self glorification at their newfound ascendancy.
I have not viewed you as a target to zero in on and I have not found or sought to find reason to. If I had, I would not hide it. As I said, dont just take my word for it, you only have to review my past postings to you (or concerning you in any manner) to verify my claim.
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