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I went, I saw and came out impressed. Today Igbo community welcomed one of their own to Southern California. I like to say one thing, you can take a boy out the country but you can't the Country out of the boy. Cardinal Arinze came across as a true son of the soil of Igbo land. craked so many Igbo jokes, and few idioms.
Ambrose and I battled Los Angeles times and LA daily news, in covering the even. stay tuned. As like any Igbo gathering, you cannot go through it without mentioning Biafra. Biafra even came up many times during the occasion.
This was a very refreshing story indeed, and very well covered I daresay, just from reading the full text under the "Current headlines section.
I cant help but admit though that both Ambrose and yourself wanted to kill people with laughter somehow, what with jumping on stage during Mbaises traditional performance and reporting from ground zero. I could just picture the comedy with people wondering "who is this reporter enh?"
Next was this comment which was comically dangerous: "There was a dance by the Igbo Catholic Girls of St. Cecilia who gave a fantastic show even though their matron sang with the worst voice ever. Like Simon of American Idol would say, that lady has no business singing"
This was downright hilarious. Poor lady was probably giving it her all. I bet she would proudly tell the story of her performance quite differently.
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But all jokes apart you need to hear this lady sing Igbo tunes, you will took the microphone away from her yourself. You will promise her $100 not to sing. However the Igbo Catholic choir erased all that today, with tunes that made one thought that he is worshipping at Assumpta Cathedral.
A protest letter signed by about 70 faculty members was delivered Wednesday, May 21, to Jane McAuliffe, dean of arts and sciences at the Jesuit university, who had invited Cardinal Arinze to address the school's commencement. (The Nigerian prelate, head of the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, is an acknowledged expert on Christian-Muslim relations, and a popular speaker among Catholics in the United States.)
Cardinal Arinze told the graduates that happiness is found not in the pursuit of material wealth or pleasures of the flesh, but by fervently adhering to religious beliefs, and spoke of the importance of family to the Catholic Church.
"In many parts of the world, the family is under siege," the cardinal said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by the university. "It is opposed by an anti-life mentality as is seen in contraception, abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia. It is scorned and banalized by pornography, desecrated by fornication and adultery, mocked by homosexuality, sabotaged by irregular unions and cut in two by divorce."
Theresa Sanders, a "post-modernist" professor of theology at the university, protested by leaving the stage while Arinze was speaking. E-mails on a subscription list used by many of the university's gay and lesbian students indicated that some students also walked out.
"These things are exactly what he's paid to say", Ed Ingebretsen, a professor of American Studies, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, but "it's a graduation; why he decided to do the pro-family thing no one seems to know." Ingebretsen, and former Jesuit priest who left the order and the Catholic Church to join the "American Catholic Church" in 2000, said he posted an apology on the e-mail subscription list "on behalf of Catholics" for Cardinal Arinze's "insensitive remarks". The prelate's comments were "un-Christian", Ingebretsen said.
A professor at Georgetown since 1986, Ingebretsen in 1995 offered a course called "Unspeakable Lives: Gay and Lesbian Narratives", endorsed by the English department. In an article on a "gay" web site (www.whosoever.org), Ingebretsen writes, "In the American Catholic Church I bless single-sex unions with church sanction".
Tommaso Astarita, a professor of history, called the cardinal's message "wildly inappropriate" for a commencement ceremony. "I personally was rather offended by it", said Astarita, who is one of the professors circulating the protest letter. "I thought it was divisive and inappropriate".
A spokeswoman for the Archdiocese of Washington, Susan Gibbs, defended the cardinal: "His message was certainly consistent with Catholic teaching, which seems appropriate since this is a Catholic university. Hopefully new graduates will be inspired by [Cardinal Arinze's] reminder that happiness does come through God", the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.
Another "gay" advocacy web site (365Gay.com) prominently featured the protest on Thursday, May 22; and reported that Dean McAuliffe issued an e-mail saying she was "surprised" at the speech, and is setting aside time in her office Friday to allow people to express their reactions. McAuliffe reportedly said, "I'm sure that Cardinal Arinze did not intend to hurt any of his audience, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen".
I doubt your gay community is going to get any apologies from Arinze. I think the man was only expressing views held by most conservative catholics and this being a civilized country his freedom of speech is guaranteed. I am not trying to pontificate here but he has made his point and just because some of them affect you does not mean he is an extremist. There are straight christians who are perhaps hooked on porn or adultery and he didn't spare them either.
The university is still a catholic school and they knew his views before hand. I can understand if he was specifically invited to address your homosexual or curious group but he solely believed he was talking to devoted catholics. I think you guys should also understand that the rest of us find some of your gay views extremist, like trying to get yourselves married in the church or those degenerate parades you hold in major American cities in the summer. Let's learn to live and let live the university should not be made to cater only to the views of your gay organizations.
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Ojare O, enh? me sef dey wonder how im take use merit enter? like that Ngozi Okonjo Iwealla sef how dat one too take enter IMF? enh?
Dis na people wey no posess the standards sef to rise for dat advanced contiri Naija, peopla wey no sabi say na only buying and selling wey them suppose to sabi do, na dem they use merit go elevate for world stage.
Just goes to show what the world is coming to.
Tijani no be so? Anyway, I sympathise.
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It was really fun, and I enjoyed every moment of it--from the time the future Pope arrived with his entourage to His powerful inspiring speech--and the welcome address which lifted my spirit that Biafra is alive and well. I saw Igbos from all walks of life in the Southland again, dedicated and united.
With sessions that included what Nnamdi and I had reported, the vibe was all good, and I had the pleasure to exchange views with L.A. Times' Allison Hoffman and Daily News staff reporters.
I read L.A.Times report by Allison, and she had this to say when we exchanged correspondence:
quote:Ambrose,
Thank you so much for your kind message--I'm glad you enjoyed the story, and very much enjoyed reading the one you wrote. I'll be sure to check the website tomorrow for the Mass story, and hope that you keep me updated on happenings in and around the community!
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Lanre and Tijani read the report of the mass celebration coming tomorrow, you will see that the georgetown thing didn;t faze the Cardinal. In his sermon yesterday he took on the politician and press. Even hit hard on abortion. His Eminence is doing his job and letting chips fall where they may. Igbos were kind enough to allow Yoroba drummers to be among the Cardinals enterance music.
As for how he become Cardinal, it was by merit, something that is foreign to you, Obasanjo and the rest of your clan. The Igbo nation is no longer in the same league with the rest of you Quota system Nigerian. One of our son is a already a blessed saint. Igbos always shine when people are rewarded according to their talents and efforts, not by selection like OO.
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Na wa oo. How pesin go dey question a cardinal's merit now? E be like say sometimes, pipool just dey let meaningless things worry them. Oya make u kuku go Cali, grab the cardinal by hin cassock and demand like naija policeman--"Oga, wey ur particulars?"
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Ednut I urge you to read Sunday report, the Saturday's event, was attend by Potestants, Ang;ican any new religion, as long as you a true Igbo it didn;t matter.
You must be a chief priest of ethnic bigotry, and religious intolerance. Did you conclude that I was a member of your gay/lesbian club before or after they kicked you out and forced you to become "straight?"
quote:Originally posted by chiboy: Lanre
I doubt your gay community is going to get any apologies from Arinze. .... I am not trying to pontificate here but he has made his point and just because some of them affect you does not mean he is an extremist. There are straight christians who are perhaps hooked on porn or adultery and he didn't spare them either.
The university is still a catholic school and they knew his views before hand. I can understand if he was specifically invited to address your homosexual or curious group but he solely believed he was talking to devoted catholics. I think you guys should also understand that the rest of us find some of your gay views extremist, like trying to get yourselves married in the church or those degenerate parades you hold in major American cities in the summer. Let's learn to live and let live the university should not be made to cater only to the views of your gay organizations.
You have to grow up and stop using your lower extremities to think. Those professors who are criticising the cardinal, are they all members of your gay/lesbo sorority, sorry I mean fraternity?
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I cannot be blamed for saying the truth, I acknowledged your right to criticze Arinze but you can't make the world see everything from your gay/lesbian prism. You formed your opinion on Arinze mainly from the views expressed by gay/lesbian groups in the university including some professors.
You were the one that "outed" yourself and described yourself as curious. While I don't judge peoples sexual preferences, my point is you can't shove your minority opinion on christianity down everybody's throat. I insist that most practicing catholics worldwide are in agreement with Arinze's view, so your gay view is in the minority. What pains me though is how intolerent you guys are and why Georgetown should be held hostage by a minority.
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His eminence is a hard working devout catholic. In Catholicism when you talk of dedication his eminence comes to mind. He was appointed a bishop ahead of his peers by bishop heerey and later became the archbishop of onitsha. He was denied being appointed a cardinal in the late sixties due to the prssure put on the Vatican by the Nigerian and british govts.(as a result of the civil war) Another great guy dominic ekandem received it. Francis cardinal arinze is also highly educated
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I doff my hat to you Oo. Your knowledge or research on this is commendable.
At least when/if the urge strikes you to (criticise/critique/)good humoredly ribb the Cardinal in our occassional ethnic jabbing interchanges, we would be assured it is coming from someone who can also accord him his due credit through good faith research.
Not from a disguised avowed bigot.
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Ukaobasi – enu awo saucer When francis cardinal arinze was the archbishop of onitsha he resided at ckc instead and worked at the holy trinity cathedral. Ckc also happened to be the parish I belonged to. As a mass server (alter boy) I served at several masses he officiated.
Tijani Well kobo kobo people say new fowl dey stand with one leg first until im sabi corner corner. John paul 1 no wan sabi corner corner first. Im wan spoil where people dey chop and dey show say man pass man, you think say na only for they get suegbe
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Were you at the Ikeji Festival in New York? I was told it was a hell of a carnival; that the Ikeji and mmawu show was very colorful. Gimme some info if you did attend, cuz I've been looking for my Ernest Games and NASCO friends.
Don't mean to interrupt your discussions anyway. Let it flow!
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Lanre initially wrote "Has that cardinal repented from his extremist and "inappropriate" views? "
This was his opinion of Cardinal Arinze's speech at George Town University.I have read all of what Arinze wrote and found nothing extremist or inappropriate with his views. Lanre has not come out to tell us what aspect of Arinze's speech is extremist or inappropriate, but to prove that the cardinal is an extremist Lanre provides the links to newspapers quoting numerous gay/Lesbian groups. He even questions my right to defend cardinal Arinze's views and asks
" Those professors who are criticising the cardinal, are they all members of your gay/lesbo sorority, sorry I mean fraternity? "
To further buttres his point Lanre makes reference to the arguement of an obviously gay ex Jesuit priest prof Ingebersten
" A professor at Georgetown since 1986, Ingebretsen in 1995 offered a course called "Unspeakable Lives: Gay and Lesbian Narratives", endorsed by the English department. In an article on a "gay" web site (www.whosoever.org), Ingebretsen writes, "In the American Catholic Church I bless single-sex unions with church sanction""
Lanre, I am not here to judge your life style, but you can't go around calling people extremists when they refuse to endorse certain aspects of your life. To some people what Prof. Ingebretsen is doing in your American catholic church is despicable, the episcopal church is about to break up for that singular reason.
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You will have to try harder than that. I have decided that I will not permit your illiteracy to prevail in this discussion. Therefore, I will work with you to educate you and cure your inability to understand what you read.
In the very first article I submitted in this thread, which I did not just provide a link for, but I also posted verbatim above, there was this exact statement,
quote:Tommaso Astarita, a professor of history, called the cardinal's message "wildly inappropriate" for a commencement ceremony. "I personally was rather offended by it", said Astarita, who is one of the professors circulating the protest letter. "I thought it was divisive and inappropriate".
A rational person would think that to be "divisive" and inappropriate for the audience, the address would have been delivered to a mixed (divided) audience, e.g., gay and straight, christian and non-christian, etc. But, chimpbomboy, in his limited understanding of the language we use in this forum has concluded that "mixed"=gay and therefore the entire mixed audience of Georgetown graduating class is a gay/lesbian group. And, if anyone thought that chiboy's failure to understand what he read was accidental, chiboy erased the doubt when he wrote,
quote:"Has that cardinal repented from his extremist and "inappropriate" views? "
This was his (meaning my) opinion of Cardinal Arinze's speech at George Town University
Clearly, chiboy failed to understand the import of the quotation marks that I put around the word "inappropriate." Later, chiboy admits that,
quote:Lanre has not come out to tell us what aspect of Arinze's speech is extremist or inappropriate
But chiboy's confusion got deeper and he concludes that "to prove that the cardinal is an extremist Lanre provides the links to newspapers quoting numerous gay/Lesbian groups."
Now that we understand that chiboy is capable of making some misguided deductions about the sexuality of the authors of what he reads, there is some hope that we can educate and cure him.
What we need to do is retain chiboy's ability to make simple deductions, but cure the physiological defects that lead him to make wrong conclusions. But, as much as I do not wish to diagnose chiboy's particular psychosis, I can state without fear of valid contradiction that chiboy is suffering from accute homosexual withdrawal. He is behaving like a man banished from a gay commune, and who is finding it extremely difficult to adjust in mixed society. Therefore, he concludes that the society must be "gay/lesbian," the group that ostracized him.
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Lanre Uour mumbo jumbo is bot going to save you this. Your new found gay advocate, is not something you are going to pawn on chiboy that easy. Whether is your hatred of Igbos or Jealousy made you to Maligned His Emminence Cardinal Francis Arinze, we are not going to allow you to sneak out of your ignorance that easily.
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