A friend once warned me of the futility of arguing with a complete idiot especially in public, folks joining the arguement at a later stage may get the wrong picture. Lanre is a class act when it comes to idiocy, and engaging in any further dialogue with him while he refuses to address the crux of the matter will reduce you to the level of a man chatting with a caged Baboon in full view of the zoo visitors.
There is no chance the hard working fellow Lanre will ever answer the simple question put accross to him by a lazy Biafran, and untill he does that yours truly will let him wallow in his idiotic filth. As I have said earlier Lanre knows not what bothers him about the cardinal's success, it could be the usual envy of having to live with the success of another "omo kobokobo" or the hurt at having his life style put to question, we will never know untill he attempts to answer the simple question. That an obvious coward will now hide under the umbrella of gay groups to practice his tribalism should not surprise anyone.Biafrans will continue to cherish the achievements of his eminence regardless of the sniffling pervert and his bigoted kinsmen.
Addy Perhaps your English comprehension is begining to fail you, but all Ukaobasi did was remind your "egbon" Lanre that there was an unswered question that needed his attention,I don't know how that is coming to Chiboy's aid. Can I also say you are coming to Aluko's aid since you have now decided to bear the Yoruba cross on BNW after Aluko got crushed under it's weight.
If you are a member of Lanre's coalition that is pissed off at Arinze then say so and stop playing the proverbial two faced coward.When I know where you stand on the cardinal's speech and what your beef is with it I will engage fully. For once be a man and state your opinion, what makes Arinze an extremist ?
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You may have to go into the archive to understand this homosexual Hutu Ape named chiboy. It was not for nothing that Aluko named him "chimpbomboy" a few months ago. Chiboy's hate-mongering here is simply an Ape's version of the Hutu Hate radio broadcasts that prepared the stage for the 1994 Hutu-led genocide in Rwanda.
Of course, the ape is benign. So why do I bother? Simple! There may be passers by who confuse the animal sounds and gestures with the actions of a man. As you can see, some participants in this thread are already nodding approval. His job is to be a Hutu Ape. Mine is to say NO when the Ape is demanding bisquit from me when we all know that what the monkey really eats is banana.
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Chiboy, I harbor no feelings for Arinze, whether ill or good. For all i care, he may very well be Pope John Paul. I do not profess to be a Catholic nor do i worry myself about things religion. What cannot be contended however is that the guy has done well for himself and his family in life. To this i say kudos. I really am at a loss as to why you think this should be my bread and butter and for this reason, i have abstained from giving an opinion (not that it matters anyway). My only source of worry is the degenerate and insensitive remark in your response to Lanre's personal opinion. The way anybody is free to question Obasanjo's smartness or Bolaji Aluko's worthiness of a professorial chair, is the same way any interested contributor should be allowed to critique Bishop Arinze's policy statements especially when those statements are directed at an informed audience such as the one in the University campus where he was visiting. As to my English comprehension failing me, i will leave that to your better judgement..one not beclouded by a false sense of loyalty to his supremacy.
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I did and still do give Lanre some credit that his bold and strong opinion informing the characterization of Cardinal Arinze as extremist is founded upon a personal evaluation and assessment derived somberly. If so, I would still respect it even if I disagreed with it for my own carefully articulated resons.
Now however I think Lanre is afraid to answer without falling back into a mudfight which he seems very well equipped to excel in.
quote: The way anybody is free to question Obasanjo's smartness or Bolaji Aluko's worthiness of a professorial chair, is the same way any interested contributor should be allowed to critique Bishop Arinze's policy statements especially when those statements are directed at an informed audience such as the one in the University campus where he was visiting.
Addy,
I am however disappointed that while you upheld my "Character" despite treating my inquest with cynicsm, you nonetheless found it desirable to fall back into the tit for tat mode regarding your input on Lanre's response to my question.
You didn't need to use the "Hutu ape radio broadcast" in far away country, when you could just as easily have used your dead Yoruba supremacist leader, awolowo. After all, he tried to eliminate the Igbo during the '60s with his starvation policies, for no clear reason other than tribal dislike.
See problem with the Yoruba? Your education is wasted; you never seem to apply learned principals to immediate problems around you. This is why your leaders sold the oil-for-weapons policy to the Hausa during the war. Although you had tons of Yoruba engineers during that period, you never used your education to manufacture even a skoke to resupply your nigerian army. Now, your brother-beast in aso rock is going about installing discredited leaders in foreign lands in the name of "shofisticated" Yoruba diplomacy, but the slew of titled Yoruba "professionals" around him can't seem to apply their education to solve immediate problems in Lagos. This is your record!!
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The reference to Hutu in a perjorative manner is especially interesting, given that the late Bola Ige no less, accused the Hausa Fulani of behaving like the Tutsis whom he described as brothers to the Hausa Fulani and whom he said that the Yoruba like the Hutus would one day be forced to deal with the Hausa as the Hutus dealt with the Tutsis. This of course incensed the Hausa Fulani greatly.
Now Lanre is no longer associating with the Hutu description, but seeks to harness the repugnance of their actions in an evasive comparison meant to impart the worst stigma against the audacity to question his unsubstantiatedly expressed position labelling Cardinal Arinze as "extremist".
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quote:when you could just as easily have used your dead Yoruba supremacist leader, awolowo. After all, he tried to eliminate the Igbo during the '60s with his starvation policies, for no clear reason other than tribal dislike. Amadi
I am not the least surprised at this, but i will let it be known to you that inspite of the celebrated starvation policies of the '60s ascribed to the genius 'Awolowo', Igbo's most cerebral(?) leader came out in 1987 to proclaim him the best president Nigeria never had. To me this sums up the totality of Igbo's attitudinal issues in matters Yoruba. You guys wont just accept it, but the Yorubas are always a step ahead of you in more ways than one, and i have only my empathy to offer.
quote: See problem with the Yoruba? Your education is wasted; you never seem to apply learned principals to immediate problems around you. This is why your leaders sold the oil-for-weapons policy to the Hausa during the war. Although you had tons of Yoruba engineers during that period, you never used your education to manufacture even a skoke to resupply your nigerian army.
Thank you for at least admitting to Yoruba education. This is a first on this board. Education in itself is not an end but a means to an end. Intelligence is the ability to use what you have to achieve what you want. You will agree with me that the oil-for-weapons program was a masterstroke of ingenuity in itself in that it took pressure off the Engineers by allowing them to focus on other germane issues of war. Neccesity is the mother of invention, the Nigerian corps had no neccesity for the Ogbunigwes. Now in the matter of brain versus brawn, the result of the war can bear testimony to the clear winner. Pray tell me, to what use was Nnamdi Azikiwe's education and intelligence to the betterment of his immediate vicinity? Good or bad, what are his lasting legacies? You guys were not even able to offer him a decent burial at death, what a shame. The world is also watching and waiting to see what sort of treatment is being meted out to that illustrious Igbo icon, Sam Mbakwe, maybe it will take a non-Igbo administration to accord him his dues in Igboland.
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What I don't understand in this thread is why Ukaobasi is afraid to speak out about insults and abuse and name-calling by his buddy, Chiboy, but he goes ballistic that Lanre called Chiboy a "homosexual Hutu Ape". Is that double standards or what? Some people in this forum have called Obasanjo an animal. So, why should the sky fall simply because an Igbo cardinal has been said to hold extreme views?
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Your explanation about why Yoruba doesn't make things but likes to loot public treasury at any opportunity is in conformity with our understanding of your attitude to work and competition. That is why we don't need to be in the same country. The Igbo likes to put things together and make money from them. We like to compete with the Asia Tigers, Japan, the US and the west in general. Right now that culture can't find nurturing with jealous Yoruba leadership that is willing to scuttle economic growth that is based on manufacturing and doesn't favor it.
We also don't copycat election malpractice in the US to apply to a jungle Third World state like your nigeria. That may be a "smart" way to corner BiafraNigeria treasury for the Yoruba, but it does nothing to erase Yoruba lack of competence in applying priciples to real world situations. Look at Lagos under 4 years of Yoruba control!
The Igbo needs to be left alone in Biafra to make things for west Africa, your market included. You know you'll benefit from conserving your foreign exchange you lavish now to import toothpicks. However, your fear is as good as mine that in time the Igbo will take over your market, ie if you don't try to raise unfair barrier to Biafran goods and services for whatever reasons. That's the price you pay for your culture of dependence on imports. Can we count on you to abandon tribalism and adopt liberal attitudes to other cultures and things closest to you. We doubt it; not when you prefer made in "Yandon" and saudi arabia.
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quote:Your explanation about why Yoruba doesn't make things but likes to loot public treasury at any opportunity is in conformity with our understanding of your attitude to work and competition. That is why we don't need to be in the same country. The Igbo likes to put things together and make money from them. We like to compete with the Asia Tigers, Japan, the US and the west in general. Right now that culture can't find nurturing with jealous Yoruba leadership who is willing to scuttle economic growth that is based on manufacturing and doesn't favor it. Look at Lagos under 4 years of Yoruba control! --Amadi
Amadi, You just don't get it, do you?. Honestly speaking, from my discussions with a lot of Nigerians of different tribes, i am yet to find any one that feel the need to remain in the same country with the Igbo. There must be a reason for this outside of the self-delusional excuse of jealousy by the other tribes. Millions have died from "The-Igbo-likes-to-put-things- together-and-make-money-from-them" syndrome,Igbos included, as in the case of importing chalk from neighboring countries and stuffing them in Penicillin capsules to sell off at the Bridge market as authentic. Because of the immoral, unethical practices of some unscrupulous bizmen of Igbo origin, Nigeria has and continue to witness capital flight and earn terrible sobriquets all over the business world.
quote:The Igbo needs to be left alone in Biafra to make things for west Africa, your market included. You know you'll benefit from conserving your foreign exchange you lavish now to import toothpicks. --Amadi
When you say things like the above, i like to remind you that the Yorubas have not found it necessary to come to you guys in the East to stop you from making 'things', instead what we have is a population drift from the East to all Yoruba enclaves. We have lived successfully without the Igbo over the years and it will amuse you to know that we do not need the Igbo to live. Yorubas live and do their businesses in the West, North and South. It is the Igbos who will not leave us alone, what with the obsession with Lagos. Lagos is bursting at the seams today thanks to the migration from the East. The Northerners have said it consistently that they do not want you, even your next door neighbors and kinsmen to the South would jolly well be glad to be rid of you and your idiosyncracies, so who's holding you?. Please leave and wait for the Yoruba nation to come knocking on your doors for the 'things' you make. Aight?
I like your spirit to engage! That helps me to understand Yoruba thinking better.
You continue to confirm my point about the Igbo ingenuity to invent. The chalk-for-medicine example you sight is a great example of the incredible Igbo man's energy to create. Right now that energy is applied to defraud the nigerian public in the form of fake drugs because it's the way to make money under lawless regimes BiafraNigeria has had since the '70s, none Igbo. Why does gasoline cost more in Biafra? It's the law of supply and demand and the profit motive, babie. We're not justifying it, but that's the way it is. Pump more gasoline where there's scarcity or higher demand and all the price gauging and long lines will disappear. Simple!
A leader who understands this will use this same energy you have associated with fake drugs, and re-channel it to productive use; no point demonising Igbo for trying to make money under incompetent, fraudulent mismanagement at the top. In Biafra, the leaders understand this, however. And that is what produced "Ojukwu bucket", missiles of all types, armored vehicles, and the great "Aba Made" products you may not be familiar with from your secluded cacoons in western nigeria. It is also what produced the Izuogu's first truly made in Africa car that your brother-president has refused to fund. Tell me where you can spot Yoruba economic development programs in that attitude.
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It's funny you live in America where you have the choice of living in California, New York or Alabama, and refuse to extend that right to another federation in Africa. Are you calling Africans inferior or unworthy of the benefits and rights of citizenship of your nigeria. You have to realize that any laws prohibiting the rights of legal residency for BiafraNigerians show right there that you're not operating a country worthy of Igbo membership. And you wonder why your nigeria is not going anywhere.
But we realize that nigeria is only a country to British and its allies who see it as a cash cow. That is why we call it BiafraNigeria. Now, would you ask your brother to break the damn thing peacefully so we can start to apply for pasports to ship goods to the Oduduwa nation.
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" What cannot be contended however is that the guy has done well for himself and his family in life. To this i say kudos. I really am at a loss as to why you think this should be my bread and butter and for this reason, i have abstained from giving an opinion (not that it matters anyway)"
Addy Let me remind you that you invited yourself into the debate and should know what your bread and butter is in this issue, remember this "The impression i got from your 'timely' intervention is that of coming to Chiboy's aid in undermining Lanre. I may be wrong though bcos that looks totally out of your character.(From your activities on this board)."
The you began to pontificate when you said " My only source of worry is the degenerate and insensitive remark in your response to Lanre's personal opinion."
Insensitive right? so what was really Lanre's personal opinion in that post? He posted an article and simply called the cardinal an extremist that can't be "degenerate" can it?
Addy my question still remains valid, what aspect of Arinze's speech makes him an extremist ? Rather than gather all the Agbekoya warriors on BNW to tackle chiboy why don't you folks try addressing this issue. To refresh your memory here is the main jist of his speech
" "In many parts of the world, the family is under siege," the cardinal said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by the university. "It is opposed by an anti-life mentality as is seen in contraception, abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia. It is scorned and banalized by pornography, desecrated by fornication and adultery, mocked by homosexuality, sabotaged by irregular unions and cut in two by divorce.""
So which of the above is giving you guys sleepless nights ?
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Addy, The Igbos are beautiful. It is quite obvious that you have deep animosiy. We have shown you ugly dark skin vicious Yorubas that you can never hold us down no matter how hard you try. If Nigerians like you don't want us then what in the world is holding y'all from allowing us to seceed peacefully. Your hatred for Igbos is quite common even among other African ethnic groups. Go to Ghana, Togo, Gabon, Siera Leon, Ivory Coast, the Igbos are resented for their intelligence, hard work,. They are resented for their ability to monopolize every type of business. Even down here in H-town your ugly kinsmen complain everyday about Igbos taking over Houston. I could still remember back in High school, the comments that your people constantly made about us. It is either that we waka too much or that we've snatched everything away from them in Houston. The igbos are creative, hardworking, highly recognizable and like y'all will say too arrogant (arrogant for a big reason). You might have been the 1st to get education but ofcourse once the English came to us we surpassed you guys. No wonder y'all were eager in the 60s to wipe us out. Abeg don't blame the igbos for your retardation it is simply genetic.
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This very thread was all about Francis Cardinal Arnze's Southern California visit, but somehow, bigots like Addy who claims to be a better stock could not hide his bigotry and hatred toward the Igbos when he said:
quote: I like to remind you that the Yorubas have not found it necessary to come to you guys in the East to stop you from making 'things', instead what we have is a poupulation drift from the East to all Yoruba enclaves.
How pathetic? "Hysterical," indeed!
Addy, you sound very much like Adolf Hitler in the above quotation. Remember the so-called "June 12?" What really happened? Initially, Moshood Abiola, your fellow Egba bigot who stole from the state to enrich himself had used inflammatory remarks on the Igbo nation, that he did not need Igbo votes to become president of Biafranigeria. When the election in which he used embezzled money to manipulate its proceedings, thus being handpicked by his best crony Ibrahim Babangida, and later declared null and void by the same crooks he dined and wined with, what made him take off instead of fighting the military and its decision of annuling the much talked about overwhelming victory?
Sadly, the Yorubas could not fight. They fled enmasse, the usual cowards they've been known for, and Abiola died in prison. So you wanted Igbos to come and fight for you, huh? Imagine!
I'm not going to respond to your ethnic jargon of "what we have is a population drift from the East to all Yoruba enclaves." But I will remind you of one thing, though. Send a Yoruba man on a transfer to the East, like say government relocation assignments and see what happens. He will quit his job because he cannot assimilate in any other society beyond Egbaland.
In your other senseless ethnic slurs, here is what you wrote:
quote:We have lived successfully without the Igbo over the years and it will amuse you to know that we do not need the Igbo to live...
Another ramblings from a bigot and Igbo hater. What happened to you here, my friend? Since when have you been living "successfully without the Igbo?" I thought you were an aggressive debater who dealt with the issues rather than going so low like you did.
I am not surprised at all that you finally unveiled the bigotry and hatred of the Igbos in you.
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Addy Can you please take your bigotry somewhere else. some of us live here. for many of us in this forum, this forum is home away from home for many of us.
quote:Addy Can you please take your bigotry somewhere else. some of us live here. for many of us in this forum, this forum is home away from home for many of us.. Biafra
I am laughing so hard i cant stop myself. You know what, you are the prince of bigotry.It is not bigotry to you when you loosely refer to Yorubas as ugly and unintelligent while describing your race in undeserved glowing terms like "creative" and "intelligent". Get ready to embrace homelessness because this board is becoming a plain level field for all comers, whether or not you like it.
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Certain priests and bishops were showered with fierce criticisms because of the complacent manner they handled the emerging realities of pedophiles in church. People spoke out angrily because they felt betrayed that these supposedly pious role models of the popular Christian ‘establishment’ chose to be lackadaisical when they ought to have warned and exposed the nauseous trend of pedophilia in the church of all places! I shudder to think what else might have taken root in the church had this hellish trend not been spotted and dealt with.
And then His Eminence, Cardinal Francis Arinze speaks out against these lifestyles (which have no place in the Church) and what do we see? People boiling over in rage that he would dare to restore the trust of the faithful by recapitulating the universal beliefs of Catholic Christians! How unbelievable! It must be that conducting oneself strictly according to the dictates of one’s religion has lately become an endeavor that sorely distresses certain members of the pro-gay lobby!
Enough of this mindless sophistry that outsiders expect of Christians! I staunchly maintain that on matters of religion, the Church has no need of being diplomatic! It is not as if pastors and priests are vying for the market of religious followers with imams, rabbis, etc. Wherefore are they expected to coat their messages with honey? If you don’t like what the Cardinal has said (which by the way are in accordance with the Holy Writ), then you are absolutely excused to ignore his messages, stop attending your local church as the case may be or perhaps, elect for yourself the clergymen that will sing to you what your itchy ears love to hear!
To label him an extremist is to overstep your boundary. Since the cardinal has restricted himself to religious matters over which he commands some level of authority and has not meddled otherwise with issues over which a listener can exercise reasonable personal control, it will be the height of scapegoating for detractors to attempt to foist on the general public their self-serving biased views of the Cardinal’s speech. I maintain strongly that the fact remains that the Cardinal is not answerable to any of these detractors for espousing his faith! On this issue, the Cardinal cannot and must not be open to fractious ditherings period! Take it or keep to your beliefs! Absolutely no compromise here!
Oh yes, and if all fails, head to your nearest mosque and see how understanding they will be of your views on this matter!
So now maybe the self professed leader of the O'dua gay and lesbian coalition can gather his Agbekoya warriors and proclaim the pope and George Bush extremists.
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I fully expect all homosexual Hutu Apes to applaud when the beer-guzzling Bush speaks. As for the Pope, he was not addressing the graduating class at Georgetown University. He was addressing an imaginary audience of "faithful Catholics," including priestly pedophiles and cardinals that look the other way while choir boys are raped by old men and moral pretenders like chiboy.
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quote: I am laughing so hard i cant stop myself. You know what, you are the prince of bigotry.It is not bigotry to you when you loosely refer to Yorubas as ugly and unintelligent while describing your race in undeserved glowing terms like "creative" and "intelligent". Get ready to embrace homelessness because this board is becoming a plain level field for all comers, whether or not you like it.
addy,
One thing is sure, you have been exposed for what you are, like every Yorobaman, an oppurtunistic tribalist without remedy, are you angry becuase the cardinal is Igbo? you do not mind or care to know him yet you have the time to indiscreenatly comment on him to show your ingnorance and stupity, the assumtion should be that you can unmake what you can never have by unholy remarks, know this, Cardinal Arinze is no Soyinka that speaks with both sides of his mouth nor Obasanjo that is not fit to be called human, reason? i have do not know any man that can be as stupid as obasanjo is, not even the 'Ijebu Igbo high chief' (what ever that means) he is the father of bigotry, if i should go, one is exatly like the other, Cardinal Arinze is a world reknown clergy, a honest man that next to the pontiff, an advocate of peace, rightousness and tolerance, a man of intergrity who is never afraid to speakout agianst evil, a man of ideal that the brougth transperency and hardwork to the Onitsha eclliciastial provence, duly elaveted to the post of cardinal on merit and hardword . what baffles me most is the level of your dishonesty and prejudice.
as for idowu ogbo, i guess he most have been born out of confusion, i do not blame him about defending his uncle segun, the son of a serpent can not afford not to be long, the said Igbo woman that is said to be his mother most have been a questionable Igbo. we know igbo when we see them.
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