I think what Idowu is saying is that Obasanjo is no fool to have gotten to where he is in life and I tend to agree with him. With limited education, the man has been able to "rule" nigeria twice and is on his third rulership of the blessed but unfortunate country. Let's give the guy some credit, he might not know what he is doing as a President or manager/owner of a chicken farm gotten with stolen nigeria money, but he was smart all the same to make himself available and placed in a position to steal these money and to continue to steal from the oil industry (as Petrolum Minister) and as the finance department as the budget administrator. He is equally very smart to have Wabara as Senate President, rig elections all over the South, and have Anambra on fire at this very moment with agent Chris Uba who called him OO his father last week in one of the national newspapers. Lets give the guy some credit for his smart, street smart naija style.
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Amadi I agreed with you and that’s what make him smart. A smart person does not pick a fight with some one who will kick his behind. If uncle segun had the intention of doing all you said he should be doing, then he is a failure because he’s yet to even think about it. But since it seemed that he never had the intention of reducing the cost of garri in Lagos or improving power supply in the decaying metropolis and he is doing just that. He had an objective and he achieved it. That is smart. Dubya wanted to finish what his dad tried at all cost. he does not care the cost of removing sadam he just want the guy out period. He twisted some arms that did not work much, he then manufactured some evidence and keep shoving down the congress throat until they gave him the mandate. If he ever catch sadam that is smart but we are yet to see that.
Nmadike The greatest igbo haters are not people like me. running my big mouth does not make me an igbo hater. moreover I do not have the luxury of hating anyone. If I were you I’ll be more worried about those DOGFATHERS in igboland. Finally for your INFERIORITY COMPLEX, have you tried rational emotive therapy.
Chiboy So oga you compile dumb writings from this board? Way to go! I never said anything about leadership, all I said was achieving your goal/objective is smart.
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Ednut, Thank you very much You know the Hausas are very dumb, illiterates, don’t even go to school, yet they manage to retain most leadership positions in Nigeria, have more local govts than the south, inflate their population, and moved the federal capital closer to themselves. With your federal character this alone gives them the lion share of anything. Obasonjo is another dumb one. He outsmarted maradona and everybody. Once elected the first thing he did was to make sure he would be re elected. He played soccer with the army until he got the right combination. He then went after the national assembly, when he was done three senate presidents bingo. Let’s forget about house of rep. Next stop south west, the funny thing is that AD never saw it coming and uptill today never what happened. The east is even more funny because in anambra state people who supposedly won the election never even smell their sits.
If this is being dumb then, I guess I do not know what dumb mean
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Obusonjo is smart??. Someone must be smoking something. He was simply the only fool the oligargy could trust. So mko was dumb, and falaye was dumb,.. right?. The semi illiterate Obusonjo was smarter?. Men!, wonders shall never cease!. If any one ever insinuates that obusonjo's presidency was his own making then that person must be crazy. This was a guy who was brought from prison to the presidency. Biafranigeria is too far buried to have a president emerge mandela style. Obusonjo was chosen by the power brokers simply b/c he was a coward who would do his masters' bidding. It is interesting how the yorubas are supporting and trying to present him in a different light despite his overwhelming shortcomings. I'm sure they would start shouting soverign national conference when the fool is kicked out or leaves office.
You are having a problem understanding the meaning of the word smart. It is not the same as negative intelligence or the brutal and uncanny means employed by brutes like Aremu to acquire and retain power. Power in itself should be a means to an end, which for a smart individual should be to postively influence his environment and leave it in a better state than he met it.It is not smart to seek power for the sake of power.
A smart man knows the ultimate goal is the betterment of the people not his ability to pertuate himself in power.People like Mandela can be rightly described as smart not the likes of Mobutu and Mugabe whose smartness have left their people in misery.
Ask yourself what those smart Hausa rulers you talk about have achieved for even their own and then decide for yourself how smart they have been. If we go buy your definition of smartness then even the class dunce who cheats his way into a passing grade is smart because afterall he was smart enough to cheat.There is no better way to describe this line of reasoning other than "dumb".
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I think Idowu Ogbo and his Yoruba clan are applauding the moron for instigating and formenting political trouble in Anambra purely to make the Igbo look bad, wetie style. That's why they call olusegun obasanjo smart. They love his high-handedness in Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu's country - the man and the people that make them look small. At last they can change the coward tag they wear everyday, partly for loosing Ilorin to the Fulani. The way they see it, picking a fight in the mud with the Igbo is more important than cleaning up Lagos streets.
My Yoruba friends, it is not working! Smart and courage mean taking on tough problems and solving them successfully. There are tons of those in BiafraNigeria that can help olusegun obasanjo redeem Yoruba lack of courage, than picking on the Igbo nation. Babangida is still working the streets of nigeria. Any resolution of that particular case under olusegun obasanjo will get the Yoruba the credit they're looking for, not just in Igbo land. There are also economic deveopment and Yoruba management competence issues,......... In the eyes of the world, they'll rank higher in priority.
But, we'll see who wins in the end!
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quote:Iweala to come home and serve as Finance Minister. Let me tell you, I was nearly converted to an Obasanjo fan. I loved that appointment and I looked forward to whether or not they would give that prodigiously competent lady the political insulation to deliver. But that was completely meant to be an ephemeral excitement. They made Iweala finance minister and proceeded to deplete her ministry of the crucial departments including budget control! Obasanjo played 'wayo' with World Bank vee pee! I could not believe it. Ah! Obasanjo failed me again!
They have double-crossed the well known economist already, what those of us who wished she got the job in the first instance should do now is to declare a prayer and fasting for her sake. And I mean that....... Laolu Akande
I don't know why she took this job considering that it has been watered down from the same job Ciroma had the past four years. Obasanjo himself controls the budget now and I don't see how this fine lady will be able to do a credible job with all these wolfs waiting to eat her up.
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quote:However, what right thinking people thought and what President Obasanjo had in mind did not seem to have a meeting point. The President transferred the Budget and Planning function to his office. The very areas in which the lady's technical input would have come in most handy, was snatched away. http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/politics/p224072003.html
If Obasanjo knows someone at the presidency who is more competent to handle the Budget and planning, why not offer the post of Finance Minister to the person?
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NwaAro thanks as usual for the kind compliments my brother.
Even though we talk about this lady's challenge with this administration, it is also obvious we are also somewhat dealing with the failed vision of this administration as evidenced by the many eloquent and passioned postings by members thus far.
Idowu Ogbo,
Let me give you some names to bear in mind: Sani Abacha of Nigeria, Idi Amin of Uganda, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Joseph Stalin of the former Soviet Union, Adolph Hitler of Nazi germany.
Tyrants?, Totalitarian Regimes? Nation Builders? Smart leaders? The only one who died ignominiously was Adolph Hitler for waging war against the world. Saddam is about to follow. Abacha’s ignominious demise cannot be included due to its self indulgent nature.
If credit is to be given for smartness, suppression of internal dissent, strategic political calculus, decisive (too decisive) leadership, then let us together with the tribesmen of these men give them all their dues. Special dues going to Stalin for murdering Leon Trotsky in far away Mexico, along with other former fellow Marxist Leninists of his, for whom in Stalin’s mind, the world was too small to hide.
I hear you grumbling that these were mass murderers.
Okay let me give You some more: Ibrahim Babangida of Nigeria, Mobutu Sese-Seko of Zaire, Nicolai Ceaucescu of Romania, Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslavia, Egon Krenz of East Germany, Augusto Pinochet of Chile, Ferdinand Marcos of the Phillipines.
Tyrants?, Totalitarian Regimes? Nation Builders? Smart leaders? The only one who died ignominiously was Ceaucescu who died at the hands of fellow murderers trying to cover their tracks quickly to avoid the wrath of the people. Marcos came pretty close, but was whisked away with his wife and some of her many shoes before the masses could get their pint of his blood.
If credit is to be given for smartness,suppression of internal dissent, strategic political calculus, decisive leadership, internal and external coalition building capabilities, then let us together with the tribesmen of these men give them all their dues. Special dues going equally to all except Babangida for milking the East/West antagonisms of the cold war to insulate themselves from external scrutiny and criticsm.
With regard to internal politics special dues go to all including Babangida for bold faced corruption, cronyism, nepotism, together with fear mongering using carefully placed killings and mysterious disappearances of opposition figures of any kind, such as the “armed robbery” used today for outright assasination and “public disturbance” used for mass murder as commited against MASSOB and Igbos, Ogoni and Ijaw in Niger Delta, Tivs in Benue, in Aremu’s dispensation which I now include in this category of “SMART” leaders.In fact I may rank Aremu at the level of Marshall Tito for sophistication and completely fooling the world.
You bet.
In Aremu’s case, I commend him for calculated scheming all along to manipulate to his advantage, the divisions inherent in Britains “Nigeria” to create in the eyes of his Western World supporters, a contrast between his initial “stooge” regime and that of the Crude and extremist Hausa Fulani scourges who were to follow, and furthermore a contrast between his background as “Acquiescing” Yoruba and that of any potential “Indommittable” Igbo competitors like Ekwueme or Anyaoku. (Ojukwu not being expected to speak of)
I also give him credit (while we are at it) for always being at the right place at the right time all his life;
1. When Biafra 1 surrendered. 2. When Murtala was killed. 3. When Abacha died from Viagra and sexual overstimulation and NADECO/OPC attacks 4. When Abiola was murdered in jail 5. The aftermath of September 11 attacks on the US prompting the “War on terrorism” the newest equivalent of the “Cold war”
Thus when he came back to power his Vision and mission was very clear to him.
● Achieve Mandela status by all means possible
● Contain the Hausa Fulani through a clever but delicate combination of neutralization and placation (bite and blow) such as through; Military retirements, Sharia and the injustices of the Kaduna and many riots, and Benue Tiv massacres to placate Danjuma.
● Demonize, humiliate, and decimate any semblance of any coherent and potential Igbo power grouping to neutralize any residue validity as a capable and worthy contributing bloc. To this end, infuse their leadership ranks with the lowest scum, and take proactive measures to verbally humiliate them and physically ensure underdevelopment and disunity of purpose among them.
● If efforts are rewarded with success then rig elections through incumbency in order to have a chance to impart some token lasting legacies which will seal a place in history.
These I can say are the major strategies which have manifested themselves in Aremus term in office, and to be fair, I have to concede credit where it is due and give Aremu Kudos for overcoming his challenges and achieving his vision.
Enough talk about smartness. No one brought up the topic. The attempt and tendency to start talking about smartness as a line of defence with which to justify Obasanjo's failings does not arise and only demonstrates the intensity of tribalism that has seemed to blur the eyes of Yorubas (not even excluding our own admitted mixed parentage Idowu Ogbo) as they celebrate what they imagine to be the many, many, many, victories of their townsman against what, and whom may have originally been thought by them to be plain insurmountable.
The question is; has Aremu surmounted these problems? Or just invigorated them adding a new tribal and cynical twist which might yet come to haunt those who though now feeling immune, might yet swallow their own words in no distant future? As Amadi said; we shall see. The proof of the pudding is always in the eating.
Addy reminded us of this smartness and victories earlier (Addy, no harm meant), but has lately expressed the feeling that Aremu represents only Aremu which in itself begs the question; why give him credit for what may be smart maneuvering and scheming (albeit "politicking" as we call it), but wrong foundation and long term strategic planning, for a nation with a well understood history, shortcomings, and untapped immense human, material, and leadership potential.
Is dissatisfaction with unprovoked wickedness, tribalism, corruption and shortsightedness, and the verbal expression of such especially as in this forum now a warrant to lecture us about the “smartness” of Aremu?.
Am just asking please.
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Notice that "Mandela status" as christened herein, is in name and posturing only not in substance and merit. Herein lies the dilema of the aspiring to be "sophisticated" "Nigerian":
The aggressive,passionate, covetuous and intense desire to create an impression that they are what they are not.
The unabashed determination to always display appearance rather than substance.
Herein lies the reason why the able Mrs. Ngozi Okonjo Iwealla's Imprimatur is a desirable crowning glory, if only she would let them harness it for their voodoo aims.
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I am rooting for this lady to do well like I have never rooted for anybody in Nigeria b4. From the Tribune, I picked off some of these below and I need not say more at this time.
She was also said to have picked holes in the level of transparency in the system which compels textile importers from the Eastern and Northern states to abandon their airports and make Lagos ports the clearing area.
It is ironical to discover that corruption is so highly pronounced under this government than in that of Abacha from whom billions of looted money were recovered. It therefore stands to reason that more than the volume of Abacha loot may have to be recovered from this government when it closes shop in 2007, its claim to characteristic piety notwithstanding.
She reportedly added that “there was not enough transparency in the government to support and sustain an effective overhaul of the system, ensure accountability and fight the inherent corruption in the system,” among other lines of protests. The crux of the matter is that Iweala has exposed what other ministers before her knew but were afraid to oppose in the desperation to keep their jobs. Before now, Obasanjo has been perceived as the God-sent redeemer to tackle this corruption scourge and eradicate it. And he has never been short of preening in self-glorification over that “mission” at every opportuned talk-shop forum. But Iweala’s protests and accompanied resignation was a presage that something was indeed faulty about Obasanjo’s make-belief anti-corruption crusade. She blew the lid open off the can of such pretexts
quote:Iweala’s Precarious Ministerial Chair!
In his battle against corruption, President Olusegun Obasanjo wants to move forward but doesn’t know where the way forward is. This has made his anti-corruption crusade ineffective, as people are wont to generally describe it. It has become a sort of failed initiative in a country where corruption has become a free enterprise, as the scourge grows in leaps and bounds by every passing day. The president thus would seem to have missed the road, not knowing where the forward direction is; right or left. But if the alleged resignation of Dr. (Mrs) Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala (now allegedly withdrawn) as Finance Minister was anything to go by, it would seem the economics Amazon has finally shown Obasanjo the way on how really to fight corruption with sincerity of purpose.
Though the resignation saga was denied, I still would believe the newspaper’s story, which it actually stood by, given the ease by which the present government finds it convenient to cover up lies in attempt to walk out clean from embarrassing situations. Examples abound in the past in such antics from “leaders we can trust”. The newspaper has insisted that Dr. Iweala was actually begged to rescind her embarrassing decision – and that was it. The most topical issue on the state of the nation is corruption and Iweala’s action has been saluted as the only way to sanitize the government into tackling corruption headlong as against the lip service hitherto paid to it. Not only has corruption graduated into a high profile, monumental grade, it has become a kind of merchandize among the highly and lowly rated, including police top shots.
It is ironical to discover that corruption is so highly pronounced under this government than in that of Abacha from whom billions of looted money were recovered. It therefore stands to reason that more than the volume of Abacha loot may have to be recovered from this government when it closes shop in 2007, its claim to characteristic piety notwithstanding. It took just two days in government for Iweala to discover how corruption stinks in the system in alarming proportion. She was said to have expressed critical opinion about the corruption - prone economic policies of government which has root in the president’s severance of the Budgetting and Planning Departments from the Ministry of Finance where she was to be minister. She saw that as making her an impotent minister without those departments to complement her official resposibility, as it normally should be. That system, she opined, would be a handicap in her normal duty of monitoring and having effective control of budgetting and planning. She hinged this on CBN’s previous indictment of government over its budgetary indiscipline which was seen as being responsible for the woeful state of the economy.
She was also said to have picked holes in the level of transparency in the system which compels textile importers from the Eastern and Northern states to abandon their airports and make Lagos ports the clearing area. With a PDP helmsman calling the shots at the Lagos port, political observers are quick to raise suspicion about how true accountability would be fostered on the system. She reportedly added that “there was not enough transparency in the government to support and sustain an effective overhaul of the system, ensure accountability and fight the inherent corruption in the system,” among other lines of protests. The crux of the matter is that Iweala has exposed what other ministers before her knew but were afraid to oppose in the desperation to keep their jobs. It so happened that in the history of Nigeria’s bread and butter politicking, no minister has been honourable enough to resign his/her appointment on principle, nor in the present civilian dispensation be bold enough to look Obasanjo in the face. Iweala broke that jinx and demistyfied Obasanjo’s dictatorial totalitarianism.
Before now, Obasanjo has been perceived as the God-sent redeemer to tackle this corruption scourge and eradicate it. And he has never been short of preening in self-glorification over that “mission” at every opportuned talk-shop forum. But Iweala’s protests and accompanied resignation was a presage that something was indeed faulty about Obasanjo’s make-belief anti-corruption crusade. She blew the lid open off the can of such pretexts, in a manner that would have shocked her corruption-prone cabinet colleagues who would have drawn the conclusion that “this strange woman has come to put sand in our garri,” by her resolve to block all the conduit pipes through which misapproriated funds are salted away from government treasury.
She has opened the veil of deceipt from those “tough” but insincere talks sermonized toi would-be ministers “about how committed the government was to fight corruption,” during the party-time on anti-corruption tutorials. But Iweala’s bold resignation action has become a wake-up call which created a new frontier that would make us to disbelieve government’s time-worn, deceptive propaganda about an unenforceable, window-dressing anti-corruption crusade.
The alleged Iweala resignation has slammed another new dimension on ministerial appointments in the country. While some jobless opportunists, political hangers-on and men of doubtful integrity beg, lobby and in most cases buy their ways or employ the use of juju to get ministerial appointments, Iweala has noteworthily reversed the trend by conversely making herself to be begged for ministerial offer. In government’s desperation to stave off the shame and embarrassment caused by her resignation, it took top shots in the president to placate her into rescinding her decision. It was even alleged that her father had to be flown to Abuja to help in the begging spree. And pronto, the president was said to have panickly acquiensced to her demand that the severed departments be restored back to the finance ministry.
Iweala soon found out that the yanking off of the two departments to Obasanjo’s custody was aimed at facilitating a regime of one-man show which hitherto had prevented transparency and which had caused money to disappear into private pockets in the past. The NNPC was similarly cornered by Obasanjo, only for corruption to thrive in that sector. In the last orchestrated ministerial retreat, Obasanjo repeated what we have been hearing since 1999 about how the ministers should shun corruption. But the populace is not amused by that level of deceipt, having found out that corruption, instead, of abating, has been growing wings with nobody getting punished for the reported billions of looted funds. Obasanjo has been accused of, too many things which do not portray the good image of someone with a strong conviction about how to curb corruption. There was, among others, the alleged COJA double-contract award which make people to feel that was the norm in Aso Rock; the 900 million dollars unaccounted-for oil refinery repair money and the overpriced GSM tariff.
All along, it has appeared as if our battle to curb corruption is a long struggle with more than one battle, premised on actions and stories that can not stand up. That is why Iweala’s alleged resignation is an idignation which would have created a sombre atmosphere within the presidency, engendering a mood of panic among prospective looters in government circles, whose looting intentions would have been frustrated through her action. Iweala has warned those who care in government circles that example is better than precept.
All said and done, Iweala, by returning to government, is perching on a precarious ministerial chair for as long as she remains on the seat. This is because her resignation would have wounded Obasanjo’s pride in a manner that he is not likely to forgive or forget. He has a wide range of capabilities to retaliate and rubbish the woman’s image on the cause of her tenure over her action which has deflated the baloon of Obasanjo’s self-righteousness, as a member of Transparency International,who is running a government which Iweala has described as non-transparent. At a point in time, she may find it parlous to work with the president who may be nursing a pay-back day for the Economics icon whose action has attracted world-wide attention, except this piece would have preempted that.
Globanisation is a reality and the global responses which Iweala’s resignation had attracted would have accounted for her employers at the World Bank to request for her return to her job without delay, as expression of international support for her action. The government will not feel comfortable at this understanding, going by international stigma her action would have cast on the president, and indeed Nigeria. The Iweala experience has proved that the president does not know the limitation of dictatorial power, which fallout has slammed a string of negative features on our body polity.
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UkaObasi, Yours depicted above is a complete bundle of contadictions. While it is not my aim to revisit the Biafran war, a reference will be seen to be in order here. When you describe your race as "Indomitable" and the Yoruba as "Acquiescing", you forgot to add that the acquiescing Yorubas have never been defeated in a war, but that the indomitable race is still reeling under the effects of an ill-planned and poorly executed war. The major difference between the Yoruba and the Igbo is the ability of the former to keep his head and act rationally and diplomatically, even under extreme circumstance and the inability of the latter for level-headedness in the face of provocation, especially when he is ill-prepared for defense. My personal research informed me that the unending feeling of animosity of the Igbo toward their Yoruba counterpart can be located squarely in the Igbo's inability to understand why the Yorubas are able to achieve for themselves and the Igbos alike without raising a finger in war, what the Igbos desired for themselves and actually went to a costly war for, without its achievement. Like well-groundeed Igbos will advise, it is better to acquiesce with common sense and achieve an end than to continue to bask in the futility of a title ("Indomitable") that is not worth the scrap of paper it is written on. Like Amadi O said and UkaObasi quoted,"We shall see". You will again see the best in the Yorubas at the expiration of Obasanjo's regime(and his Igbo co-journeyman). If anybody is waiting to witness the relegation of the Yoruba race, then i can only say...You shall wait forever. If it is the wish of any Igboman to do the job himself, then i say, good luck!
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I am sorry to inform you, you've missed the mark again. Need I remind you the topic at hand has to do with this Lady Ngozi Okonjo Iwealla whose willingness and capability to serve a fraudulent govt is already being undermined even before the race is off.
While I well admire your compulsion to go into automatic defense mode at the mere mention of "Yoruba", and to employ all available resources including "personal research" (that impenetrable zone ) it becomes unadviseable to go off on a tangent and totally forget the direction of the thread.
My reference to "Acquiescing" and "Indomittable" is merely my impression of a held opinion by the British gallery. An impression which I put in quotation marks lest I be misinterpreted as you have done.
While your lecture was a very clever and stimulating one indeed, is'nt it rendered totally off mark once the basic premise that informed its uncontrolled outburst is removed?
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I think Idowu Ogbo and his Yoruba clan are applauding the moron for instigating and formenting political trouble in Anambra purely to make the Igbo look bad, wetie style. That's why they call olusegun obasanjo smart. They love his high-handedness in Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu's country - the man and the people that make them look small. At last they can change the coward tag they wear everyday, partly for loosing Ilorin to the Fulani. The way they see it, picking a fight in the mud with the Igbo is more important than cleaning up Lagos streets.
My Yoruba friends, it is not working! Smart and courage mean taking on tough problems and solving them successfully. There are tons of those in BiafraNigeria that can help olusegun obasanjo redeem Yoruba lack of courage, than picking on the Igbo nation. Babangida is still working the streets of nigeria. Any resolution of that particular case under olusegun obasanjo will get the Yoruba the credit they're looking for, not just in Igbo land. There are also economic deveopment and Yoruba management competence issues,......... In the eyes of the world, they'll rank higher in priority.
But, we'll see who wins in the end!
--Amadi O
UkaObasi, The above from Amadi O does not read like a reaction to the Lady Ngozi Iweala topic, neither does your snide remark about the acquiescing nature of the Yoruba. My compulsion to go into auto defense mode at the mention of the word "Yoruba" is predicated on the belief that scapegoating should have a limit.
quote: My reference to "Acquiescing" and "Indomittable" is merely my impression of a held opinion by the British gallery. An impression which I put in quotation marks lest I be misinterpreted as you have done. UkaObasi
Well your impression is quite wrong. My impression is that the Brits found the Yorubas too educated and gruff to the extent they were not willing to trust them with power and administration of key positions. This explains their comfort with ATBalewa and such Igbo administrators like Nwokedi, at the eve of their departure from Nigeria.
quote:While your lecture was a very clever and stimulating one indeed, is'nt it rendered totally off mark once the basic premise that informed its uncontrolled outburst is removed? --UkaObasi
Inspite of the sheer volume of anti-Yoruba postings on this board, it might interest you to note that i put immense pressure on myself to control my outbursts, just for civility sake, despite the contrary from most Igbo commentators who see no reason to be civil in their one way approach to their Yorubaphobia.
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addy, the yorubas have never lost any war, despite all the fulani fuss ilorin has remained yoruba. The smart yorubas and their decent burials for ige and abiola, need I say more.
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My impression is that the Brits found the Yorubas too educated and gruff to the extent they were not willing to trust them with power and administration of key positions. This explains their comfort with ATBalewa and such Igbo administrators like Nwokedi, at the eve of their departure from Nigeria.
Yes I'm right, No you're wong, Yes I'm right, No you're wrong, Yes I'm............on and on. The point is that I have expressed that impression within the context of the thread. being just our impressions, we can debate its validity till the cows come home, it would make no difference if responses to it do not tie back into the general discussion at hand.
quote:Inspite of the sheer volume of anti-Yoruba postings on this board, it might interest you to note that i put immense pressure on myself to control my outbursts, just for civility sake, despite the contrary from most Igbo commentators who see no reason to be civil in their one way approach to their Yorubaphobia.
Addy,
I will always enjoy the occasional joust when we profoundly disagree on issues, but by all means, when will you start holding me accountable for my direct and unequivocal opinions, instead of quoting the opinions of other contributors as a substitute for my opinions in your response to me.
If something I have said has particularly gotten to the marrow, your flying off into a blind rampage with seeming intent to gore everything in sight only displays a loss of control whose pitiful sight I cannot stand to see.
Your increasingly hysterical and emotional outbursts seemingly intended to obfuscate issues beyond recognition also creates the impression You are wildly grasping at straws rather than deal with the issues on its own merit.
Can I now sincerely count on you to regroup and curb this approach? It is’nt looking good at all my friend.
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