It looks like Jews have completely penetrated all branches of the US government. Stories have it that the current US Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, is a Jew, and that explains his rush to go to war to protect Israeli interests even at the cost of American lives. Does anyone have any information about this?
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Donald Rumsfeld is a bonafide American. Read this brief online biography.
quote:Donald Rumsfeld was born in 1932 in Chicago, Illinois, attended Princeton University on scholarship, served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator, and was All Navy Wrestling Champion. Married in 1954, he and his wife Joyce have three children and five grandchildren.
Mr. Rumsfeld is in private business and is Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gilead Sciences, Inc. He serves as a member of the boards of directors of ABB (Asea Brown Boveri) Ltd. (Zurich, Switzerland), Amylin Pharmaceuticals, and Tribune Company. He is also Chairman of the Salomon Smith Barney International Advisory Board and an advisor to a number of companies, including Investor AB of Sweden. He is currently Chairman of the U.S. Commission to Assess National Security Space Management and Organization.
In 1962, at the age of 30, he was elected to his first of four terms in the U.S. Congress. In 1969, he resigned from Congress to join the President's Cabinet. He served as Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity and Assistant to the President, and later as Director of the Economic Stabilization Program and Counselor to the President. In January 1973 he was posted to Brussels, Belgium, as U.S. Ambassador to North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
In August 1974, Mr. Rumsfeld was called back to Washington, D.C., to serve as Chairman of the transition to the Presidency of Gerald R. Ford. He served as Chief of Staff of the White House and as a member of the President's Cabinet, 1974-75, and as the 13th U.S. Secretary of Defense, 1975-77, the youngest in history.
In 1977, Mr. Rumsfeld left Washington, D.C., after some twenty years of public service and lectured at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of International Affairs and at Northwestern University's Kellogg Graduate School of Management prior to entering business.
In June 1977, he became Chief Executive Officer of G. D. Searle & Co., a worldwide pharmaceutical company, where he served until 1985. The turnaround there earned him awards as the Outstanding Chief Executive Officer in the Pharmaceutical Industry in 1980 and 1981. He was in private business from 1985 to 1990. From 1990 to 1993, Mr. Rumsfeld served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Instrument Corporation, a leader in broadband and digital high-definition television technology. After taking the company public, Mr. Rumsfeld returned to private business.
During his years in business, he has continued public service in a variety of federal posts including service as President Reagan's Special Envoy for the Middle East, and as a Member of the President's General Advisory Committee on Arms Control, and the National Economic Commission. His current civic activities include service on the Boards of Trustees of the Chicago Historical Society, Eisenhower Exchange Fellowships, the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, the Rand Corporation and the National Park Foundation. He is also a member of the U.S.-Russia Business Forum, and recently completed service as Chairman of the U.S. Government Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States.
Honors include: Distinguished Eagle Scout Award (1975), George Catlett Marshall Award (1984), Woodrow Wilson Award (1985), Dwight Eisenhower Medal (1993), and eleven honorary degrees. In 1977, Mr. Rumsfeld was awarded the nation's highest civilian award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
He is a full-blooded American. It is plain to see. But if you are not satisfied with this and choose to trace the country of his fathers, your search will bring you to a certain country called Germany. If my memory serves me well, there was a time at a press briefing in the events leading up to the war on Iraq where Rumsfeld was reputed to have dismissed the dissenting voices from Germany by saying something to the effect that Germany and France belong to the old Europe.
That statement was calculated at undermining the impact of the administration’s woeful failure at securing the consent of countries like Germany and France for that war. The important thing that stuck out during the little harum scarum that that statement generated was that reporters often cited how his relatives in Germany vehemently castigated him for such ‘thoughtless’ remarks.
He is an American by virtue of birth. If you don’t want to buy that, the name “Rumsfeld’ at once informs you that his fathers must have migrated from Germany to the New World.
But quite frankly, why are you laying all these accusations? Will you spew forth another conspiracy theory to the effect that George Bush might also be a jew?
Now you have it, so what other theory do you have to suggest why evil men do the things they do? If he was black you may have declared him Igbo just so you can have a good ole lynching, you need help.
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Assuming that his lineage traces back to Germany, that still does not mean that he is not Jewish. Most American Jews come from Germany and the last name does sound Jewish. Anaedo, please can you explain what a "full Blooded American" is?
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Thanks for that contribution. It helped a lot. As Ednut has said, it shows that Rumsfeld may be a bonafide Jew, via Germany. There are many Jews who are "bonafide" Americans.
Chiboy:
Who knows! May be when you get an Igbo in the US Defense Department, you will be able to actualize Biafra. Until then, let's keep yarning ....
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I am glad if that little biography was of any help.
It is true that there were many Jews in Germany who could have fled to the U.S at some point and then naturalized there.
I will like to invite you to consider this for a while. As you probably know, apart from the native-Americans/American Indians, everyone else migrated to the US at some point and chose the country as a home. If you notice, you would see that America is great because of the amazing blend of different cultures and races. Once anyone comes over to this country, the person begins to be assimilated into the system. A blending must occur as the person gets molded into the system, irrespective of color, culture or creed. No wonder America has sometimes been referred to as a ‘melting pot’.
So unless they want to be painfully particular, these people who have chosen to live and die for this land simply call themselves Americans. If that were not the case, then you would always be faced with terms like ‘Jewish American’, ‘Russian American’, ‘Italian American’, ‘German American’, ‘Nigerian American’, ‘Cuban American’ etc. I am sure you get the picture. These qualifiers are only necessary when a distinction is about to be made. But does it not begin to impress upon you the sheer diversity of this country? You know what--just raise up the American Flag anywhere and you would be amazed as to how people would unite across cultures, races, tongues and creed to pledge allegiance to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
Mind you Daud, the people I have spoken of so far are those that have come from far lands to naturalize here.
Now what say ye of people that are BORN and RAISED here—as in the case of Donald Rumsfeld?
So Daud, some are Americans because they are Native Indians, or that they were born and raised in the States. Some are Americans simply because they were born in the States (they could be raised elsewhere) while some are Americans because they married one and had a citizenship change. Furthermore, some are Americans because they have a mixed parentage (i.e. dual nationality) and some are Americans because they naturalized here (i.e. they came with a permanent resident status and then later filed for citizenship and thus became citizens). And it might also interest you to know that some refugees from war-ravaged countries or countries that have witnessed calamitous natural disasters have also had the privilege of attaining American citizenship.
The important thing is that these people are collectively called AMERICANS, one way or the other. They have chosen this country to live, work, reproduce as the case may be, and pursue happiness. Oh yes, and if the country wakes up suddenly like on that fateful morning in Pearl Harbor or September 11 to discover that their beloved country is under attack, you had better believe that both Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female will UNITE AS AMERICANS to register their sore displeasure.
Daud, if Donald Rumsfeld was just born in the US and groomed in Israel, then one might begin to view your charge a little more seriously. But Sir, what else can you say when he was BORN and RAISED here in the States? With all due respect, there has to be a limit to your aspersions.
Ednut,
When I say ‘full-blooded’, it was only meant to convey the simple message that Donald Rumsfeld is as American as apple pie based purely on the consideration that he was BORN and BRED in the States. Save for being a descendant of Amerindians, I am not aware that there is any circumstance in which one would find oneself that would make one more deserving of that appellation. I hope this explanation is sufficient.
Are you saying that if war breaks out between America and the Ndigbo, you will fight for America just because you have started calling yourself an "American" for one reason or another?
You wrote:
quote:Oh yes, and if the country wakes up suddenly like on that fateful morning in Pearl Harbor or September 11 to discover that their beloved country is under attack, you had better believe that both Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female will UNITE AS AMERICANS to register their sore displeasure.
I hope you know that the American government will not trust you to fight for it if war develops between the Ndigbo and America. Go ask the Japanese and the Iraqi Americans. The Japanese were interned. The Iraqis are still being hounded.
You certainly don't think that Jews in America, the majority of American Jews that is, will attack Israel if Israel goes to war against America. Do you?
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Are you saying that if war breaks out between America and the Ndigbo, you will fight for America just because you have started calling yourself an "American" for one reason or another?
Prithee, canst thou tell me whence thou makest these deductions about me from my previous post?
quote: I hope you know that the American government will not trust you to fight for it if war develops between the Ndigbo and America. Go ask the Japanese and the Iraqi Americans. The Japanese were interned. The Iraqis are still being hounded.
After my last response to the question which forms the basis of this thread, am I to assume that you have been satisfied hence this sudden interest in my person or Ndi Igbo?
quote:You certainly don't think that Jews in America, the majority of American Jews that is, will attack Israel if Israel goes to war against America. Do you?
If that situation is what you want to witness, why don’t you go ahead and say it? What exactly are you out to establish? Are all these wild innuendoes supposed to be part of a greater desire at obfuscations or are they in anyway congruent to this discussion?
It must be noted that your attempts at being an advocatus diaboli is somewhat amusing. So, if thou dost not mind, canst thou tell me whitherward this discussion is being steered?
Rumsfeld is not a Jew American or an American Jew. Rumsfeld is a Germanic Name (northern European). Yes you have many people in USA that are American but are from a Jewish lineage and support Israel absolutely or not. Rumsfeld, D.Cheny, and others including Jews in the Washington republican party are neo conservatives. Whether they are Jews or not, they support Israel because Israel is closer to USA vision of the world than your 1st class Arabs (S. arabia) than pulaar or awusa people like yourself Daud.
I for one can only take time to get into this line of debate because you intention is to say that Igbo are Jews. Basden, the English writer made this mistake which has be tagged on the igloo people with no clear study; igloo people are Igloos and not Jews and we have lived where we are now for 7 thousand years. All igloo people emerged from one lineage ERI of NRI - Umunri (Agukwu.) Far from it, we were in west african long before you awusa and pulaar herds men from the deserts appeared.
On the actaualisation of greater-biafra, it is a certainty. The issue is, by the time we actaulise greater-biafra, will the awusa-pulaar be sand eaters? In the end you will be begging to leave Nigeria and so will the Oduduwas. The oduduwas have already started crying since Abiola. Your turn will come when your women folk become prostitutes for the kind of German sex tourists that you find in the far east, after all must of them like your men are not educated. Have confidence in sharia awusa-pulaar!
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One thing I can say from your response is that you will not say which side you will support if war breaks out between the Ndigbo and the NdiAmerica. That cannot give confidence to either side about your loyalty.
Here is my question, which you refused to answer,
quote:Are you saying that if war breaks out between America and the Ndigbo, you will fight for America just because you have started calling yourself an "American" for one reason or another?
I began to think about that when you wrote,
quote:if the country wakes up suddenly like on that fateful morning in Pearl Harbor or September 11 to discover that their beloved country is under attack, you had better believe that both Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female will UNITE AS AMERICANS to register their sore displeasure
But as you know, the people that attacked Pearl Habor were not "Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female." They were JAPANESE. I only wanted to ask a question closer to the example you used.
You ask me,
quote:After my last response to the question which forms the basis of this thread, am I to assume that you have been satisfied hence this sudden interest in my person or Ndi Igbo?
No! I am not satisfied. Indeed, I have become more interested in finding out. The man looks like a Jew, has a jewlike German name, Rumsfeld, and his German roots place him in the right place to be a descendant of European Jews migrated to USA.
You also said,
quote:It must be noted that your attempts at being an advocatus diaboli is somewhat amusing. So, if thou dost not mind, canst thou tell me whitherward this discussion is being steered?
You give me too much credit. As you can see, I don't start too many threads at BNW. When I start a thread with a question, that is beacuse I am genuinely seeking an answer. That does not mean that I will accept the first answer that comes along without further investigation.
rufurufuru:
Read my answer to Aneado:
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Assuming that his lineage traces back to Germany, that still does not mean that he is not Jewish. Most American Jews come from Germany and the last name does sound Jewish. Anaedo, please can you explain what a "full Blooded American" is? BY EDNUT
It seems to me America is becoming a sort of BiafraNigeria where folks go to for a share of the dream cake which is then carted home to the nation of their fancy.
The jew get the chunk of America's common wealth diverted to Israel on a regular basis.
I was watching with interest as Irish man Clinton shuttled back and forth to "better" his Ireland. The big question now is: What are the Igbo doing for ala Igbo from America?
True, some Igbo used America to help the Yoruba in their war against Abacha. But it appears those Igbo died with Abacha. There has been no sign of them in the present era of Obasanjo which has NOT benefited the Igbo as much as Abacha.
I'm sorry if I sound blunt, but America is really a mere Geographic expression used by all-comers to advance their cause be it Religion(like Bush's crusade) or allegiance to ancestral lineage like messrs Rumfeld and Clinton.
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quote:What are the Igbo doing for ala Igbo from America?------Ohafian Udumeze
I think the answer is very simple based on my personal experience with the Ibos. They are busy fighting the likes of Bababoyz, Addy, Tijani and the proud native American Mota Ogallala.
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Dauda, I do not know whether to ask you to read my last post to you all over again and reply after you truly understand what I wrote there, so I am going to make this reply so simple that you will understand it immediately.
You said:
quote:Aneado:
One thing I can say from your response is that you will not say which side you will support if war breaks out between the Ndigbo and the NdiAmerica. That cannot give confidence to either side about your loyalty.
I do not see a connection between “Is Rumsfeld a Jew?” and “Are you saying that if war breaks out between America and the Ndigbo, you will fight for America just because you have started calling yourself an "American" for one reason or another?” The first question is the basis of this thread, to which I gave a reply. I do not see where the link is between that original question and the one you are asking now. Do you see any link?
Well, let us continue to the next things you had to say. After reading my last post to you, you found a part that must have puzzled you. That part you quoted and I will quote it again:
quote: The important thing is that these people are collectively called AMERICANS, one way or the other. They have chosen this country to live, work, reproduce as the case may be, and pursue happiness. Oh yes, and if the country wakes up suddenly like on that fateful morning in Pearl Harbor or September 11 to discover that their beloved country is under attack, you had better believe that both Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female will UNITE AS AMERICANS to register their sore displeasure.
I could have sworn that that statement needed no explanation to someone who could read and understand the English language. However, if after reading that statement, especially the part that I typed in capital letters, you offered this reply,
quote: But as you know, the people that attacked Pearl Habor were not "Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female." They were JAPANESE.
then, I seriously begin to wonder if you have a problem understanding the English language or if you just skimmed over my response. On the whole, it appears as if you did not understand what I posted before hence all these illogical deductions. But guess what? I am still ready to discuss you know. However, I will suggest, for your own benefit, that you take some time to read and digest our exchanges so far, or appoint someone to do that for you so that as we continue this discussion, I will not be faced with the ugly possibility of having to explain and re-explain statements that a mere elementary school child would have no problems comprehending.
Moving right along, you continued by saying that you are not satisfied with my answer. So, you opined thus:
quote: The man looks like a Jew, has a jewlike German name, Rumsfeld, and his German roots place him in the right place to be a descendant of European Jews migrated to USA.
At this point, I think it is only fair if you tell us what informs that opinion. Can you furnish us with evidence to corroborate your side of the story? I hope I have not lost you yet. It seems to me that you have already decided what answer you would like to hear to your question. Trust me, I am not bothered if you are already biased to one side of this question. All I am asking you here is that you provide us with some documented evidence that supports your claim.
Why did I ask that? If you were on a journey for example and you lose your way, you may stop to ask someone for direction. It follows that since you do not KNOW how to get back to the right road, you would follow the direction given to you by that stranger whether the direction is accurate or misleading. The point is that you are helpless and you have no option than to listen to that stranger hoping that he/she is right. That he/she may not be right is entirely another matter.
If your car had a geo-synchronous navigator system however, and you asked that stranger for direction, then you are not obliged to follow the direction given to you by that stranger because you have a very accurate tool at your disposal. So, I would like for you to furnish me with the source of all your speculations. That should not be difficult for you to do, I assume.
At the risk of being misunderstood, I am not particularly bothered if you choose to believe that Rumsfeld is Jewish. That is your prerogative. I am not out to convince you either. All I did was offer an opinion to your question, but because it now appears that you have other persuasions as regards the question at hand, I think that it is important for you to share with me the source of your convictions on the matter. If this is not too much to ask, could you please delight me with the auto/biography, document, or article that inspires your question? I am counting on you to do that in your reply. When you do that, everyone following this would be constrained to disregard you as an advocatus diaboli.
By the way, I did not in my earlier use of that term intend for that to be misconstrued as a compliment, because on close inspection, it appears as if you thought I was giving you ‘too much credit’.
Dauda, focus on the issue you have raised and stop interjecting unrelated material-- unless of course you are seeking for a way to make this exchange go 'a verbis ad verbera'!
I thought you may have a problem when you started to speak Latin in a forum where the language of communication is English. You seem to be obsessed about your own desired but imaginary trajectory of the discourse of this thread. Why?
Why do you perceive that there is a set direction and predetermined outcome for the debate? Why couldn’t you accept the debate that has resulted and deal with the issues accordingly without resorting to the now silly mantra of the Igbo superiotopoloi, the Igbo supremacists who consider themselves better than everyone else. Why must Daud suddenly turn into “Dauda” in the eyes of Rufukuku and Aneado, unless it is for the same reason that both men are incapable of comprehending what they read? Since you are blinded by your preconceived impressions about the trajectory of this debate, I may accept your inability to understand the relationship between “Is Rumsfeld a Jew?” and “Are you saying that if war breaks out between America and the Ndigbo, you will fight for America just because you have started calling yourself an "American" for one reason or another?”
But, what is the explanation for your inability to relate a) to b), where a) is your own statement and b) is my question, which followed your statement about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Why did you introduce Pearl Harbor if you are unable to deal with its ramifications? Or was I supposed to be so focused on your obsessed view of where the debate should go that I would ignore the implications of your Pearl Harbor reference? You still have not told us which side you would fight for if war broke out between the Ndigbo and America. What are you hiding?
Why was it difficult for a Latin-speaking “Igbo supremacist elite” like you to understand the difference between a) and b)?
quote:a.) your own words,
quote: The important thing is that these people are collectively called AMERICANS, one way or the other. They have chosen this country to live, work, reproduce as the case may be, and pursue happiness. Oh yes, and if the country wakes up suddenly like on that fateful morning in Pearl Harbor or September 11 to discover that their beloved country is under attack, you had better believe that both Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female will UNITE AS AMERICANS to register their sore displeasure.
b.) my question,
quote: Are you saying that if war breaks out between America and the Ndigbo, you will fight for America just because you have started calling yourself an "American" for one reason or another?
Would you like me to explain this to you in your favorite language, Latin?
Rufukuku:
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In commencement, I ought to congratulate you for the choice of diction employed in your last post. By the distinctively ‘educated’ or ‘superbly articulated’ tone that you employed, I am willing to grant that you may have appeared to banish the aspersions that I cast as regards your level of seriousness. Furthermore, the fact that you have seemingly taken NINE days to fully draft a response is testament to the gravity with which you deem your latest piece an avenue to address more robustly the ominous and troubling speculations about your level of comprehension.
So let us examine what you had to say.
First you started out your rebuttal by saying “Aneado and co:” I find that totally OBJECTIONABLE for in one fell swoop, a dialogue between us has started imbibing strange elements. The “and co” part was not necessary. If you wish to address me specifically, then by all means do; because I CANNOT be responsible for the actions of others.
quote: I thought you may have a problem when you started to speak Latin in a forum where the language of communication is English
In any given post that I did not employ the Igbo language to emphasize a point, you will find that ALMOST all my SENTENCES are with English words save a few SHORT PHRASES rendered in Latin. So when exactly did I start SPEAKING Latin? Or am I to assume to assume that the full thrust of my arguments or opinions might have been lost on you because of a smattering of Latin? Please, you will do well to stop inviting questions about your level of comprehension. Secondly, all over this board, you will notice that people routinely express themselves with other languages and that includes Hausa, Igbo, Yoruba, Spanish etc. Why should Latin be the exception? Or do I need to bring to your attention once more the inevitability of Latin to your present English vocabulary? Be that as it may, is there any law out there forbidding by punishment, the tongue by which people FREELY express their opinions? What you needed to do if someone addresses you in a foreign language is to ask for an interpretation or ignore at best. Likewise, if a few Latin words pose a real hindrance to your comprehension of a post otherwise rendered in English, then IGNORE if you must! I hesitate to suggest that you could accost me seeking an interpretation to the ‘troublesome’ phrase nor trust that you will do your own pertinent research because you have demonstrated by this largely moot point, your aversion to self-educative indulgences!
quote: You seem to be obsessed about your own desired but imaginary trajectory of the discourse of this thread. Why? Why do you perceive that there is a set direction and predetermined outcome for the debate?... Emphasis mine
This is a case of twisting the facts. For your information, I am not ‘obsessed’ about your thread (I could afford to summarily discard your heavily nuanced questioning caption as an exercise in mischief) neither am I desirous of some ‘imaginary trajectory’ to the nature of the discussion. What I detest is a WILFUL exercise at obfuscation. Throwing about absolutely irrelevant information, interspersing a directed thread with meaningless pieces of junk OR interjecting clearly unrelated material is the type of inane rambling behavior I would expect were I to submit myself to holding a discussion in a Sanatorium! YOU CAN COUNT ME OUT! However, if the thread should diverge into other issues BASED upon formerly discussed and adequately masticated interactions, then you can fully rest assured that I will not “perceive that there is a set direction and predetermined outcome for the debate.” Do I make myself plain?
quote:Why couldn’t you accept the debate that has resulted and deal with the issues accordingly without resorting to the now silly mantra of the Igbo superiotoploi, the Igbo supremacists who consider themselves better that everyone else
First of all, you seem to have dragged at your convenience matters perplexing your mind from other threads. It will be better if you can address those people who you think are ‘Igbo supremacists who consider themselves better that everyone else’ (sic) in the appropriate forum where you met such behavior. Do not throw your frustrations at me. I am not the source of your bitterness.
I was the FIRST person to respond to your post. In that post, I gave you a quick verifiable answer to your quasi-innocuous question. Of course I fully realize that it would be rather boring if no other responses came after that; so in your next post, feeding off Ednut’s remark, you sought to introduce another element into the discussion. And what did I do? I gladly welcomed the new slant you introduced concerning the fact that there were many naturalized Jews. So, in my reply, I dismantled the support you might have gained when I explained in greater detail, the indisputable fact that he is an American when one puts into consideration that Donald Rumsfeld was BORN AND RAISED in the US. Having thus been stripped of any ground upon which to continue your interrogative, you then hatched upon the idea of introducing distractions! I suspect that you might have been bothered by certain things about ethnicity that you may have read from other contributors in OTHER THREADS before you began your subsequent reply. It manifested by your infantile attempt to precipitate an unthinking reply when you asked me “Are you saying that if war breaks out between America and the Ndigbo, you will fight for America just because you have started calling yourself an "American" for one reason or another?” I FAIL to see how a discussion of whether Donald Rumsfeld was Jewish or not, could have invited that question. Secondly, at no point did you see me ‘start calling myself an American’. I am clueless as to how you came by that deduction. I FAILED to give you the delight of going down that murky road with you; an action on my part that has thoroughly frustrated your best laid plans. No sir, I MUST HOLD YOU to the discussion at hand, therefore you better start adopting the posture of one GENUINELY seeking for clarifications or healthy discussions and stopped fishing for gobbledygook!
quote:Why must Daud suddenly turn into “Dauda” in the eyes of Rufukuku and Aneado, unless it is for the same reason that both men are incapable of comprehending what they read?
I think I ought to note that you are suffering from a serious ‘persecution complex’ here. This is like one attempting to remove the speck of dust in a neighbor’s eye but forgetting to remove initially the log in one’s eye. Well, to tell you the truth, when it became clear to me that you were not angling for any honest discussion on the subject matter, but would rather introduce fractiously fractional ethnic undertones, I thought about asking you UNRELATED questions about your ethnicity. I declined simply because I wished to elevate this discussion. Furthermore, I was curious for some new information that you might be privy to which might have been unknown to me; the aftermath being my polite request for some kind of evidence to support your position. You glossed over that in your reply and focused on the trivial. You were not lucky though for Rufukuku came along and bluntly gave you a taste of your own medicine. Why whimper now?
Anyways, since I was the one that first called you 'Dauda', I must confess my mirth that my almost imperceptible attempt at giving you a dose of your own medicine generated this hue and cry! Has it escaped you totally that YOU SPELT MY NAME INCORRECTLY in the first place? My name is not ANEADO. You might want to wipe those cloudy glasses again and read it properly as ANAEDO. Talk of the pot calling the kettle black!
quote:But, what is the explanation for your inability to relate a) to b), where a) is your own statement and b) is my question, which followed your own statement about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Why did you introduce Pearl Harbor if you are unable to deal with its ramifications? Or was I supposed to be so focused on your obsessed view of where the debate should go that I would ignore the implications of your Pearl Harbor reference? You still have not told us which side you would fight for if war broke out between the Ndigbo and America. What are you hiding
At this juncture, you must have reasoned that by scrambling your original text (as you just did in the above quote), you can succeed in establishing some hitherto unseen but critical point. For your convenience, go and reread my second post to this thread and upon the fullest comprehension of that post, come and tell me why the befitting response to my statement :
quote: The important thing is that these people are collectively called AMERICANS, one way or the other. They have chosen this country to live, work, reproduce as the case may be, and pursue happiness. Oh yes, and if the country wakes up suddenly like on that fateful morning in Pearl Harbor or September 11 to discover that their beloved country is under attack, you had better believe that both Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female will UNITE AS AMERICANS to register their sore displeasure
SHOULD be this rejoinder of yours:
quote: But as you know, the people that attacked Pearl Habor were not "Jew and Muslim, White and Black, Gay and Straight, Old and Young, Male and Female." They were JAPANESE.
OR, how it relates to this query of yours:
quote: Are you saying that if war breaks out between America and the Ndigbo, you will fight for America just because you have started calling yourself an "American" for one reason or another?
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I ask you again, from WHERE did you deduce that I made any PERSONAL comments? Where in my posts, did you see enough material to validate that irrelevant question directed at me? Since when did I appoint you a judge of where my allegiance should lie? Have I bothered you with such a useless question? And furthermore, how congruent is that useless question to this very topic?
And you dare to ask me what I am hiding? I am hiding my obvious embarrassment for the difficulty you have displayed in understanding these simple concerns that I raised earlier in my replies. I tried in my own way to leave you with vestiges of self-esteem/intelligence by carefully demonstrating the incoherencies of your former ‘replies’ but if you cherish a good old fashioned calling of spades by their rightful names then be informed that I can grant you that wish by all means!
Therefore, rather than grasping for the wind here, you will do well to provide me with the evidence you have establishing the contra-position that I have taken. Perhaps, with that we can embark on another ‘trajectory’ to your question. Wither, I ask of thee again, art thou steering this discussion?
quote: Would you like me to explain this to you in your favorite language, Latin?
If that is supposed to be sarcastic, then you are really small-minded! What kind of answer do you want to that? Okay, indulge me. Please explain in Latin if you could. I am open to researching till I come to the realization of what you might have said. If that should prove to be a grave task, as it is appears to be with understanding UNAMBIGUOUS English sentences, then Dauda, feel free to communicate in Hausa or whatever your local tongue may be! You might be surprised by what that undertaking might reward your encoding and decoding skills with.
Oh, and just so you do not make the topic of your next response “the wisdom or lack thereof of using other languages in a linguistically diverse discussion forum”, I have taken the liberty of excluding choice Latin phrases from this reply.
I wouldn’t want your future WILLFUL misunderstanding of this post to secure its foundations upon the pitiful fact that you detest any language that you cannot speak. By the way, is ‘superiotoploi’ an English word?
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I now understand why Anaedo became hysterical. I did not deliberately misspell his handle; it is a handle, is it not? Therefore, my apologies to Anaedo for accidentally spelling his handle as Aneado instead of Anaedo. But, I offer no apologies for rejecting his worthless conclusions about the lineage of Rumsfeld.
However, one is perplexed to understand the rest of the bovine rambling of the Idi Amin/Obasanjo kind that followed. Un-nuanced Bovine Logic! that is exactly where one will have to situate the rest of Anaedo's clumsy attempt to extricate himself from the “Pearl Harbor” pit he dug for himself.
To Anaedo, a member starts a topic so that he can lead others like a herd of cows to some ill-conceived destination. Along the way to his fools-land, if he and his cohort, Rufukuku, interject an asinine proposition, such proposition must be ignored or accepted as gospel in the dogged pursuit of his doomsland. The person who starts a thread must accept the validity of the first incorrect answer that Anaedo supplies because the Anaedo speaks pig-Latin mixed with bovine logic and an intellectually dangerous inability to link his own statements with the response it elicits.
Yes, even if you know that Donald Rumsfeld is a Jew (watch Anaedo eat this one up), you must accept Anaedo’s childish explanation of Rumsfeld’s lineage simply because Anaedo has said that Rumsfeld was "BORN AND RAISED in the US." Yep! It is as if being born and raised in the US means that the person could not possibly be Jewish. What a simpleton!
It is not that one is particularly offended by an assertion of Igbo supremacy. We have seen some members of this forum make that claim with great facility and competence. But, one is disgusted to witness an Ogbete market, a.k.a. Anaedo version of Igbo supremacy steeped in paranoia and expressed in pig-Latin.
Anaedo:
Why don't you start a thread so we can watch you (mis)guide all the members of this forum as they sheepishly follow you to the desired conclusion and accept the first silly suggestion advanced by the first charlatan of your ilk who claims to know the answer to the question raised. Deal?
Other than that, you have rendered this discussion puerile! Posts: 449 | Registered: Mar 2001
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I had thought you were one of those "Detribalised" Southerners (this comment may end up being fodder for the distraction of this thread)until you mouthed "Igbo supremacist elite"
I had thought Anaedo was very clear and straightforward in all his responses to your posts. Then Rufukuku came along and laid down some basic questions for you to answer.
Why the delay and obfuscation of the issues?
I had some questions of my own, but please answer these very polite gentlemen who have conciensciously contributed to your thread, so you dont get inundated with more questions than you currently seem capable to handle.
You may want to bring an aspirin or two.
___________________ YA CAIN'T KEEP A GOOD MAN DOWN :) Posts: 1182 | From: TEXAS | Registered: Oct 2001
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