Mz. K. Ani is way too advanced for my pedestrian opinion on this board. He supplies his great wisdom from behind the scene, and to me, that's perfectly ok. His ideas can only help the Igbo/Biafran nation.
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To those of you clustering for Igbo intent and quest for action, this has noting to do with Ndi Igbo. His death was as a result of recklessness and incompetent police force, an amphitheater for half education. His death was not premeditated or marshalled out against an Igbo man. It was as a result of zealots whose idea of law and order is bullet over an unarmed person. It could equally be criminal or civil infractions on the part of the police force or persons involved depending on the investigation. There is no clue of consipiracy to kill Okadigbo.It would be sucidal for any person or agency to carry such an act against Ndi Igbo or the leaders. Ndi Igbo are peaceful and law abiding to some extent. Copy?
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I am just amazed at how quickly you all leaped to the conclusion about the cause of death. I wonder what would happen if Okadigbo actually got a gunshot wound.
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What is your point? It does not matter how he died by gunshot or by gas. What matters is that Obasanjo got him killed and that is all you need to know and focus on.
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Waypoint1Biafra, We should not be too naive. From what i have read so far, i did not read of any other politician complaining haven received the said gas. Even if it was another politician that died, it is still questionable that gas be used on politicians protesting peaceful in the street.
We should remember that Ojukwu's electoral campaign was interrupted by the same police in Kano using gas, Ojukwu being the only politician whose campaaign had been so interrupted.
Thirdly police used gas on Ndigbo in Enugu in 2000 or 2001. So it is justified to do something about it.
The only problem is that some of these acts in Nigeria had been masterminded by non-Nigerians to antagonize the component nations in Nigeria against one another. But it is the duty of any government to protect the citzens and politicians. It is not wrong to blame obasanjo who has never done anything to protect Nigerians since 1999. The difference here is that his regime does not have the mandate of the people, so illegitimate.
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I will have to disagree with Kevin Ani's call for an Igbo response to the killing of Okadigbo. First, Kevin Ani sees an efulefu organization, WIC, as the proper group to lead Igbo people into what could potentially cost more Igbo lives. He writes,
quote:Ndiigbo world-wide under the leadership of the World Igbo Congress (WIC) must now send a strong message to the world by dispatching a strongly worded letter of complaint addressed to the United Nations (UN), European Union (EU) and the so-called African Union, Carter Institute, the Vatican etc. The letter must describe the harassment of Igbo leaders, contextualising the the death of Okadigbo within this theme and sounding a note of warning about the dangers of Igbo alienation from the Nigerian state.
Nd'Igbo worldwide are not under the leadership of WIC, and WIC members represent the very kind of people for whom no Igbo person should die. We must draw the line somewhere and make it clear to those selfish Igbo politicians that they will be on their own when they are liquidated by the same Igbo enemies they crawled into bed with.
In his politics, Okadigbo had no need for Igbo grassroots or mainstream following. Even Okadigbo's admirers will admit that Okadigbo's politics was focused almost fanatically on a romance with one-Nigeria, even in opposition to a well defined Igbo mandate. That was the case when Okadigbo was in the NPN while Nd'Igbo were in the NPP. That was also the case recently, when he could have joined APGA. Certainly, there should be people far away from Igboland, people from the North and the West, the areas of his greatest contribution in Nigeria, who can rise against his killers.
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Okadigbo was not the first in an illegal demonstration which brought in the Police force to use tear gas to stop the crowd from its demonstration, a protest in violation of the city's ordinance.
Gani went through this many times and no account has shown he succumbed to police tear gas. Many other prominent politicians went through the same scenario and no account of police gas proved lethal.
Just face the facts, unfortunately the man died of heart attack.
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Kevin Ani was making some sense until he started talking about WIC. Does he not realize that the first step in everything WIC does is to seek permission from Obasanjo and his Igbo errand boys?
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quote:Originally posted by Onyemaechi: I will have to disagree with Kevin Ani's call for an Igbo response to the killing of Okadigbo. First, Kevin Ani sees an efulefu organization, WIC, as the proper group to lead Igbo people into what could potentially cost more Igbo lives.
You have every right to oppose to Kevin Ani's call, but the fear of death should not be one of the reasons. If we are afraid of death, we will never achieve our objectives.
Okadigbo is an Igbo son, we cannot just keep quiet due to his political inclination.
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This people sef who call theirselves govment will never told us the truth for Okadigbo dying with poison gas. If you ask Obasanjo he will kpeke head to told the people he is very sorry when he know who killed Okadigbo. We must never allow ndimallam na ndi ofe mmanu to take us again for another longing ride.
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quote:Originally posted by Umaru Ibrahim: Okadigbo was not the first in an illegal demonstration which brought in the Police force to use tear gas to stop the crowd from its demonstration, a protest in violation of the city's ordinance.
Peaceful protests and strike are enshrined in Nigeria constitution. So no city in Nigeria should ban peaceful protests. Is electoral campaign banned in Kano? Ojukwu's last campaign in Kano has been interrupted by the police using gas once more.
quote:Gani went through this many times and no account has shown he succumbed to police tear gas. Many other prominent politicians went through the same scenario and no account of police gas proved lethal.
I do know remember during whose regime Gani had been gased, but in a democracy, it is not acceptable. In "free" countries, police use teargas only when the protesters start destroying properties like shops.
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Are you trying to make a mockery out of a serious issue at hand?
Chuba's death is a seroius issue that needs constructive contribution to the thread. Your useless questions and comment is not contributing anything whatsoever to ascertianing how Chuba died or that Obasanjo did not kill him.
So if you don't have anything useful to say please shut up your mouth.
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What is your problem and how am I making a mockery of Okadigbo's death? Watch your loud mouth!
As far as I know, it is illegal to carry out any demonstration without approved permit from the city. Again, for your information, I have no desire to square off with tribalists like you.
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Umaru Are trying to make the light of Okadigbo's death, Today is Okadigbo tomorrow it may be Buhari, unless this mad man from Ota is stopped, he will caused more serious damage before is over.
Do you have difficulty comprehending what you read? From my statement,
quote:I will have to disagree with Kevin Ani's call for an Igbo response to the killing of Okadigbo. First, Kevin Ani sees an efulefu organization, WIC, as the proper group to lead Igbo people into what could potentially cost more Igbo lives.
How is it possible for a sensible person to conclude that I am afraid of death? How does your thought process work? How did my statement lead you to say,
quote:You have every right to oppose to Kevin Ani's call, but the fear of death should not be one of the reasons. If we are afraid of death, we will never achieve our objectives.
For your benefit, I hereby reiterate that Igbo efulefu will not be permitted to lead us in anything serious enough to require the death of even one Igbo person. WIC is an efulefu organization, and Kevin Ani is proposing that WIC lead an effort to avenge Okadigbo. I hope that breaks it down for you.
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Mz. K. Ani is way too advanced for my pedestrian opinion on this board. He supplies his great wisdom from behind the scene, and to me, that's perfectly ok. His ideas can only help the Igbo/Biafran nation.
Amadi,
Am I to assume that Mz. K. Ani was the one that wrote that article in Nsibidi Chronicle that you posted on September 28, 2003 by 9:01PM and later revised on September 30, 2003 by 2:16 AM? I clicked the link you gave but it was not working.
Okadigbo: World Igbo Congress Tasks FG From Andy Ekugo in Abuja
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The World Igbo Congress (WIC) has urged the Federal Government to commence a post-mortem on the cause of death of vice presidential candidate of the All Nigeria Peoples Party (ANPP) and former senate president, Dr. Chuba Okadigbo, stressing that the circumstances surrounding his death last Thursday remains "murky and befuddling."
The Congress, in a release signed by its General Secretary Mr. Austin Uzodike and made available to THISDAY via e-mail, urged the government to set in motion the machinery to unravel the circumstances surrounding the death of the late politician.
The full text of the release reads: "It is with great sadness and shock that the World Igbo Congress mourns the sudden transition of Dr. William Chuba Okadigbo (The Oyi of Oyi) on Thursday September 25, 2003.
"There may be a time to heed nature's call but the suddenness and circumstances surrounding the death of Chuba Okadigbo remains as murky as they are befuddling. As a public figure in every shade of that expression, the World Igbo Congress demands the government to initiate a thorough post-mortem on the cause of this unexpected event.
"We extend our solemn sympathy to the family of Dr. Okadigbo, his Senatorial constituency, Ndigbo, and all well-meaning citizens of Nigeria for a life, besides its many manifestations, was exemplary and unique."
WIC is therefore pledging itself to accept whetever result the "FG" releases after the post mortem.
Na wah oh!
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Dikeanatuegwu, To judge the seriousness of WIC, could you tell us whether the letter has been copied to other institutions in Nigeria and abroad.
It would have been better to provide us the whole letter or a link to it.
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quote:Originally posted by Umaru Ibrahim: Where exactly in the constitution?
All you needed to say is that the constitution forbids peaceful protest if that is that you think. Eventually, you can ask which constitution, the one that authorizes maming people who steal goats or stoning to death. I equally gave the example of ojukwu's electoral campaign that had been disrupted by the same police. In this case do you say that the electoral campaign had not been approved or that the police there receive their instructions in Arabic?
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quote:Originally posted by Onyemaechi: First, Kevin Ani sees an efulefu organization, WIC, as the proper group to lead Igbo people into what could potentially cost more Igbo lives.
The above statement could be re-written as: a) WIC is an efulefu organization b) WIC's actions could lead to Igbo people losing more lives.
If my interpretation of your statement above is incorrect, then I would like you to correct it.
But if it is correct, then I do not understand your problem.
This argument reinforces my proposal for Igbo elections to legitimize its leaders and most importantly to enable the citizens vote them out when they are not performing.
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All too often, in a bid for the W.I.C to assert itself, or make its frail voice heard in our national politics, it embarks on making pronouncements that are at best ridiculous or worse, self-serving.
All over the place, Nigerians are lamenting the death of Okadigbo especially given the circumstances of his death. Therefore, it assumes certain urgency for an autopsy to be done to determine the real cause of his death. Did he die as a result of the teargas that he was reported to have inhaled? If so, how deadly was this gas? If he didn’t die as a result of the gas, could he have had a severe heart attack that eventually snuffed out his life? In the absence of those two, what could have really killed him, or was it just that it was his time to move on? Pressing questions demanding urgent answers....
Granted that an autopsy is needed, why does the W.I.C think that it is absolutely WISE to put this post-mortem examination into the hands of the FG especially in the light of the fact that its result could be inculpatory to the executive arm of the government (the Nigerian Police)? Is the brilliant reasoning of the folks at the W.I.C that the FG had handled similar cases with unwavering devotion and dispatch hence this shrill call? Secondly, could it be that W.I.C views the costs of arranging for an independent autopsy with the family of the deceased (possibly by seasoned foreign physicians in the absence of credible local ones) too prohibitive that it merited to be left in the hands of the FG? Thirdly, is it possible that W.I.C reposes unshakeable trust in the FG that it has calculated that the FG officials that might handle this autopsy are of such UNIMPEACHABLE character as to be influenced by corrupt forces working deleteriously behind the scenes to ensure that nothing incriminating emerges from the said autopsy report?
If not for the mere fact of sounding off to appear duly ‘concerned’ or to impress on some people the questionable fact that the W.I.C was actually a political force to reckon with, I fail to see readily the rationale for the W.I.C’s call for the FG to carry out this autopsy. It eerily smacks of a suspect investigating himself. We all know that when someone examines oneself, one always passes!
A much better approach would be to have the autopsy done discreetly by confirmed experts at a remote location possibly outside the country, paid for by the goodwill contributions of numerous Nigerians to whom Okadigbo’s demise represents a grave irreparable loss. The results of the autopsy could then be made known privately to the Judicial Commission of Inquiry that is being currently set up first, after which it would be made known to the media.
Let me digress a little bit...
Okadigbo as a politician was not different from the present crop of materialistic, self-serving jokers parading the corridors of power. He was undoubtedly talented in other fields, but his contribution to the welfare of his people, his constituents or indeed his
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