Thank you for your courteousness. Anaedo did display class in extending you the courtesy to explain his angst didnt he? I thought that was a sign of maturity myself, seeing as he owed you none after you broadsided him with your subjective and condescending characterizations out of ROM, without first engaging him directly to find out from him why he should have chosen the route he did.
Giving him the opportunity to explain himself directly would have provided you the gravitas with which to admonish constructively or even emotionally, without creating the impression that forumites tread at the peril of a gang-up ambush from ROM-LANDERS who, like judge, jury, and executioner have appeared at the scene to exact vengeance on behalf of one of theirs.
I became involved in the issue at debate once I made my posting on this thread of Dauds. Daud has every right to reference me in someway, as I tangentially referenced him in the body of my posting.
To the extent though that it became necessary to betray emotionality in some of Daud's pejorative characterizations of me which had nothing to do with my body of opinion on the subject (which by the way is his full rights), is it then farfetched to understand that he opened up the floodgate for the emotional characterization of him by others who have engaged him before?
In my assertions above, I am not preaching what I do not practice, believe me, I'm also one who believes in as much civility as we can humanly muster, however, being cognizant that some individuals in this forum can go by as many as 5 or more different handles with which they clobber the crap out of the unsuspecting, I can only chide sattirically, unless I absolutely have to whup out the Sledgehammer, for which I usually lack appetite.
I may not agree with Daud, but I believe he is evidently an intelligent fellow, I also believe you are an evidently intelligent fellow, ditto regarding Anaedo.
I will continue though to chide lightheartedly those attributes which I find somewhat entertaining, without taking it too seriously or emotionally depending on the circumstances of course.
I welcome you to do the same with me.
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You should have left my good friends Alhaji Anaedo and Mallam Ukaobasi alone. I am too used to the heckling of that Biafran tag-team to concern myself about their ranting anymore. My threads could truly become boring if my good friend Anaedo stayed away from them. I don't mind that he brings his side-kick, Ukaobasi, with him.
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I never had a stomach to get all bent out of shape about issues relating to the war in Iraq. My two cents worth of opinion is that Dubya was right to probe the possibility of links to Al- qaida, he was right to try to take advantage of the momentum of world sympathy given 9-11 to clear out and somewhat stabilize all the minefield areas of the middle East that nurtured and incubated the type of lawlessness that enabled wanton terrorist acts to occur unchecked all these years, the Chief culprits in this regard in my opinion and in order were:
Iran(home of Ayatollah Khomeini and a Persian/Islamic, mostly Shiite state with ethno/religious, animosity towards America and its sympathisers and fundamentalist religio-nationalistic aspirations as a major regional player)
Afghanistan(an unstable hotbed of internecine war, a product of the negative impact of the partition of Nations by colonial powers, the cold war, and the unresolved internal dynamics pitting religious fundamentalism against modern national identity, a schism that guarrantees perpetual instability. Used mostly as a practice ground and an impenetrably formiddable core of operations and planning by terrorists prior to recent invasion and occupation),
Syria(Home of Hafez Al-Assad the Syrian hawk, home of Hezbollah and a hideout of all manner of terrorist groups and their wanted leaders. A now checkmated but potential source of cataclysmic regional instability),
Pakistan(With its majority sympathetic Muslim Urdus and by virtue of its Muslim fundamentalist Pashtun population, dangerously powerful in their mountainous and inaccessible geographical locations given their numbers in the Pakistani millitary strata, and a smattering of other harmless and impotent religious groups, and given the dynamics of its formation as a nation),
Lebanon(by virtue as a proxy for Syria and Syrian mischief during the days of Hafez Al Assad and its location by Israel),
Iraq(only by virtue of its impenetrable facist totalitarianism, millitary equipment and brutality, and Saddams ability in times of desperation to whip up Arab/Islamic anti Israel anti America sentiments as a strategic buffer against unchecked and speedy incursion as we all just witnessed),
Palestinian areas(largely under the surveillance and management of Israel and a source of every excuse under under the sun to justify terrorism in the Middle East and around the world),
Yemen(a hotbed for religious fundamentalism largely fuelled by massive poverty, difficulty of access and internal unrest),
Sudan(birthplace of Al Mahdi who trounced the British with superior war tactics, home also of Gafar El- Nimeri its former totalitarian military leader. Currently at war with its Christian minority subjects and known for the sympathies and aspirations of its Muslim fundamentalist majority to demonstrate its relevance as part of the core Arab Islamic world),
Egypt(harboring a collection of largely disgruntled and very potent fanatical fundamentalist elements long supressed by Hosni Mubarak after the Murder of Anwar Sadat who signed a peace pact with Menachim Begin of Israel back in the day),
Libya(defanged by Reagan/Bush and home of Ghaddafi, we need say no more)
and at the bottom
Saudi Arabia(long considered a friend, but a hotbed for the rabid unwavering Wahbi fundamentalism which produced Osama Bin.. and his merry band of self sacrificing idiots)
All these coupled with a collection of sometimes unstable but latently terroristically volatile second and third tier Islamic influenced Nations ranging from Indonesia, Phillipines, to Jordan to the Berber states of North Africa minus Libya, to Mombassa in East Africa and a vast collection of aspiring states with Muslim populations who wish to assert political prescence and dominance by tacitly sympathising with terrorist causes in the name of Religion, Nationalism, and very laughably, Human rights.
Dubya was right to determine to halt the line of advance of terrorism which now began to use as staging areas, Western nations to which Muslims are domiciled, such as France, Germany, Italy, Argentina, Great Britain, USA, among others.
He was right to request that Right thinking World leaders including Muslim Nations and their peoples take a decisive stand for lawfulness or for terrorism or step aside and watch. Just think, such a condition and opportunity would never have been allowed during the cold war and the only world leader on whose shoulders it ever fell prior to that and post first world war to make such a daring and possibly unpopular decision was Winston Churchill when he correctly foresaw that giving in an inch to Hitler was just as good as turning in your weapons and nations in surrender to evil over good (despite my displeasure at the British imperialistic colonial and post colonial record in Africa), how right he was. So was Duya.
The question becomes how to go about it. Afghanistan presented a wonderful opportunity in that the Taliban had decided to harbor the very culprits responsible for the evil and affront that was 9-11. If the Soviet Union still existed and had become the sole superpower, or say China was the sole superpower, several nuclear weapons would have by now levelled Afghanistan and surrounding Nations for the crimes and affront of those few, of this, there is no doubt in my mind, in fact nations found to be even mildly sympathetic would by now be in the throes of epic misery, again of this there is absolutely no doubt in my mind, but America being America, with its powerful and moderating constitution (the same which attorney General Ashcroft is trying to manipulate to turn The US of A into a Republican facsist State) has to mull things over like a truly civilized and democratic Nation, and despite posessing the most powerful millitary in human history submits itself to the universal rule of law by tempering justice with the mercy of a well thought out surgical operation, calculated to inflict as low a collateral damage as possible, to this end it employs every amount of strategic pre and post operational planning available through high tech and low tech means to return order and sanity through Human and material sacrifice to a part of the world long defficient in that sanity and long known as a gravesite of defeat to even the most poerful of nations. The Taliban have been dislodged and many brave American lives lost so that Daud and me can sit here and post our opinions on the internet. Just think, what would Obasanjo and Idi Amin have done? lets not go there.
Yes how to go about it? America with its characteristic transparency has made it easy for its watchers to observe as it goes through its debates, to watch the mighty battles of the Secretaries of State and Defense; Powell and Rumsfeld, assistants Armitage and Wolfowitz; the methodical hawks, versus the instinctive fanatical hawks (even though one must sympathise with Rumsfeld for being how he is given that he was in the pentagon when the cowards struck and killed several of his wards) The mighty battles of the politicos jousting for power, but implementing democracy before our very eyes; Democrats vs Republicans, Moderates versus fanatics right or left, White appointees versus the new Black kids on the block; Rice and Powell, rightist media vs leftist media. Of these juxtapositions, win, lose, draw or cheat, democratic decisions and conclusions are hatched, arrived at, taken. How to Subdue Afghanistan with the least Collateral damage? How to extend the war to other middle-Eastern hotbeds of terrorism and what excuses to use? What level of animosity would it incur and how to contain it? What potential world-powers could step in to create a condition for World war and how to contain it? What the population at large would think knowing that their sons and daughters would be called upon to go and shed their blood? How to rally the population around the cause? How might it affect relationships within NATO alliance nations, UN nations, EU nations NAFTA nations? What kind of preceedents would be being set? How many previous policies existing when there were dual superpowers would have to be broken and reshaped to address the current realities? How feasibly could a battle successfully be taken to the enemy and how might it affect neighbouring countries? What nations should strategically bear the brunt of attack in order to send a decisive message to all nations included in the list of terrorist incubating nations? What would a Muslim kid from an unjust Nation like Nigeria think about policies and approach?
Among many many many other important and critical questions. It is from these that the answer of how to go about achieving the vision is taken. of this question no answer is right hundred percent, there is always a cost; political, personal, economic, social, historical, you name it, but what must be done must be done, and so young American boys are sent out (some of them sons snd daughters of immigrants such as ourselves) when Daud is right many are blown to pieces so he can tell us he told us so. When he is wrong Iraqis are seen to be wanting a prolonged American stay so their nation can be rebuilt.
Which other nations Army having finished a war stays back to pick up the pieces and rebuild what it destroyed in victory? Think about this.
Yes Dubya may have erred in choosing WMD or Regime change as the best excuse to go into Iraq, Yes some information manipulation may have been employed to convince the American masses of a good justification for war, Yes Haliburton and its subsidiaries including Kellogs Brown and Root, connected as they are to the Presidency has displayed once again the penchant for cronyism and avaricious exploitation which gives capitalist oriented democratic economies a black eye, but all will agree that there is always an economic opportunity aspect to war and destruction, how they are managed is part and parcel of the price that must be paid or the glory that must be gained from a momentuous decision such as has been cast upon the shoulders of this current leader Dubya.
America is no doubt at war. it is performing excellently, gallantly, and sophisticatedly. Instead of leaning back in America in the comfort of our comfortable armchairs pointing out where America has failed, and celebrating as some seem to be doing when brave White, Black, Chicano, Asian American and other immigrant kids (some ours) have been felled in battle, let us spend more time reflecting on the fact that we are in limbo; Hausa's, Yoruba's, Igbo's, Ijaw's, Tiv's, Urhobos, Ibibio/Efiks, etc Christians and Muslims, failing woefully to realize our opportunities as Black people in an informed world to take destiny in our hands and right the wrongs of colonial artificial and unworkable National boundaries and entities such as the Nation you call "Nigeria" fabricated much like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, etc. doomed to perpetual fragile, third world and Pariah status, no matter how accomplished.
Instead of lining up like predictable spectators (it is said some are born to be players and others mere spectators)in regard to the war on the basis of our gut reactions and assumptions to big power vs underdog, Muslim vs Christian, Hyppocrite vs Virtuous, Republican leader vs third world despot, Western superpower vs third world underdog and a host of other categories wich unites or divides us without contributing anything to our own general sense of empowerment or outlook.
Instead of spectatoring, should'nt we consider more engagedly how we emmerge collectively and self-empoweredly from the wounds inflicted by divide and conquer colonialism that created an abberration such as the Geographical entity labelled "Nigeria" on the map, rather than conviniently carving out our place in the long queue of second guessers, on the basis of our individual gripes, to take swipes in the heat of the ongoing battles, at the only Nation whose people have mapped out their own course and know exactly how they expect to emmerge when the war is all fought and over?
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This one is funny, if you have a macabre sense of humor. Yesterday, the Pentagon told us that US soldiers killed 54 Iraqi "insurgents" in Sammarra. The "insurgents" were said to have laid an ambush for a convoy of ocuppiers. Now, we are learning that nearly all the dead Iraqis were unarmed innocent bystanders or persons going about their normal business.
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The human beings murdered in time of peace in "One Nigeria" in "occupied Biafra" in search of MASSOB protesters, in a democratic regime were civilians.
If those "civilians" in Iraq had Abacha, or the Chinese, or Aremu, or the late Idi Amin Dada, Reuters or Al-quaida news agency (yep you know what am talking about) would only be reporting its missing correspondents.
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quote:Originally posted by Daud: ....No invaders will be allowed to comfortably occupy Iraq.
quote:Originally posted by Daud: .....Now, we are learning that nearly all the dead Iraqis were unarmed innocent bystanders or persons going about their normal business.
COMPLEXITY AND CONTRADICTION The Iraqi "freedom fighters" need some symmetry from the Coalition, but they wish to reserve the opportunity to operate assymetrically.
I think we need a referee to go hold down those American and coalition troops, so the guerillas can carry out their terrorist acts equitably.
There must be a human rights lawsuit here somehow. enh?
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Today, the US Airforce killed nine children in Afghanistan. It seems to be a retaliation for the killing of one US soldier by Iraqi freedom fighters in Baghdad.
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It was additionally discovered recently, a building where five (5) children were bombed and killed by the coalition in Afghanistan.
Sad events no doubt, and very disturbing to say the least, with regard to the upheld aims and method of coalitions engagement policies.
Let us travel back to Civil war Asaba and consider for a moment, the premeditated, calculated, resolute and cold-blooded summoning and pacification of an occupied peoples into the market square, and the methodical machine gun assasination of helpless men, women, and children about which some have gloated by implication on this same conscience strewn thread?
Regrettable collateral damage (which will no doubt carry its price as the Coalition troops are aware)is one thing. Deliberate and malicious genocidal murder is yet another.
There is a difference, and reasonable people know.
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The capture of Saddam has been a bonanza for those who wish to distract us from the debacle in Iraq. The body bags keep arriving Dover Airforce Base in Delaware, although the press is forbidden to report them. The president who sent the young men and women to their death in Iraq hides in shame when the bodies return. Today, three occupiers were exploded in Iraq.
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quote:Originally posted by Daud: The body bags keep arriving Dover Airforce Base in Delaware, ................The president who sent the young men and women to their death ............
In other words, ITS THE PREZ's FAULT!, and the press is being subdued (or in cahoots).
quote:Originally posted by Daud: Today, three occupiers were exploded in Iraq.
In other words, Yippeee! (sheer joy. Absolute glee!)
"were exploded"
There you go, You're right again. Told us did'nt you? Stubborn us!
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Many soldiers killed in Iraq are Hispanic. Before now the practice was to properly receive dead US soldiers when their bodies arrive in Delaware. US presidents are supposed to call families of dead soldiers.
We have a right to ask Bush why he is avoiding the bodies of dead US servicemen coming back from Iraq. Is it because more and more they are minority people? Is it because Bush knows that he is using US military for family battles?
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Welcome to Biafranigeriaworld, the no limit zone where nobody plays by the rules. Just be careful and watch out for the bad guys who fight real dirty. Beware of Ukaobasi, Anaedo, Biafra, Dikeanatuegwu, Ojoto, Damian, Waypoint1Biafra, Ohafian Udumeze, Sylvia and the airheads Okwyonwuka, Ohaka and NwaBiafra. These guys will drive you nuts, so watch out.
My name is Mota Ogallala Tekumseh, the proud native American.
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Mota my friend, I see you have practically constituted yourself to a gateman of sorts on this board. Well, keep up the (good)? work. I am rooting for you men.
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Mata, You are still as useless, nothing interesting ever comes out of you.
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quote:Originally posted by Fuertes Caminos: Many soldiers killed in Iraq are Hispanic. Before now the practice was to properly receive dead US soldiers when their bodies arrive in Delaware. US presidents are supposed to call families of dead soldiers.
We have a right to ask Bush why he is avoiding the bodies of dead US servicemen coming back from Iraq. Is it because more and more they are minority people? Is it because Bush knows that he is using US military for family battles?
This illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq is a real nightmare for Bush and his followers. He would die of heart attack if subjected to receiving dead US soldiers. The real question is: will he be "re-elected" as president?
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Thanks for "rooting," you are surely my man and don't let the bad guys knock you down. You know what I'm saying?
Sylvia:
You are the most useless in this village ever since your mother said "you're busy, can't come on the phone" to speak with Ukaobasi. Ukaobasi doesn't want you. Do you understand that?
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And what did your mother say about your uselessness. I have never read any thread started by you or any sensible proposal from you. Are you never ashamed?
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quote:Originally posted by Mota Ogallala: .............can't come on the phone" to speak with Ukaobasi. Ukaobasi doesn't want you. Do you understand that?
Mota!
What gives!!! Do you now purport to speak for me???
Disregarding your casual use of my equally insignificant handle, your assumptions may be totally misguided am sorry to inform.
Passionate variation of opinion on particular and specific issues or threads between me and other respectable forum members, particularly of SouthEastern origin must never be construed to translate to absolutisms such as divisiveness, or let alone enmity. Our house may be bigger than assumed.
My advice for what it may be worth is to alter course! (in your assumptions), and drastically too.
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Mata spend all her/his time attacking people instead of discussing issues. I do not remember having read any thread initiated by her/him or any other thing good for that matter from her/him.
What surprised me is that the administrators of this forum allowed her/him to go on for so long. Maybe they are waiting for our patience to run out so that everything will degenerate.
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