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Nwa-Aro & Sylva, It is a mark of intellectual drought or intellectual laziness to resort to frequent but unsubstantiated excuses about the multiplicity of handles or a member's age on an open message board such as BNW in order to escape scrutiny of your posts. Every computer has an IP address that makes it traceable 24/7. You guys might want to undertake some research to unearth the so-called faceless handles you so much fret about.
quote:Originally posted by addy: Mota my friend, I see you have practically constituted yourself to a gateman of sorts on this board. Well, keep up the (good)? work. I am rooting for you men.
Addy,
Are you a fan to mata the trouble-maker or a you afraid of being captured?
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Are you a fan to mata the trouble-maker or a you afraid of being captured?
...Sylva
Well at least we now know that any time you make reference to those ubiquitous double-handles, Addy is your prime suspect. I wonder why it took so much prodding to get this out of you. Well rest easy because as it is, i find it extremely tough to keep up with being Addy not to talk of taking on another man's burden. Secondly, time is not my most surplus commodity and lastly, i am a proud Ekitiman whose forebears are never known to engage in double-speak so i do not posess the genes. I do also know for a fact that my father did not have an Igbo tenant around the time i was conceived too.
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quote: I thought that I recommended to you that you desist from mentioning my name ….
I do not appreciate the fact that you brought my name once again into this matter.
Alhaji Alhaji Anaedo:
What am I going to do about you? Pray tell! You want to have your cake and to eat it too. Huh!
Let me introduce two theories that I will use to educate you about why I am entitled to mention your name when and where I do:
Theory 1: Modified Pavlovian Conditioning
Modified Pavlovian (a.k.a. Classical) Conditioning: Here, pretentiously neutral stimuli (the tirades of Anaedo) are repeatedly paired with seemingly spontaneous stimuli (the ranting of Ukaobasi) that reflexively elicit an unconditioned response (my riposte). Eventually, discerning ones learn, a la Skinner, that agitating the state of Ukaobasi always leads to perturbations in the state of Anaedo, causing Anaedo to gyrate wildly in aimless vituperations.
Theory 2: Alhaji’s Chiwawa Nuisance Theory
Some of you with too much book knowledge call it vicarious liability; but I call it the Alhaji’s Chiwawa Nuisance Theory. Alhaji, since you like to speak pig Latin on this board, in your own case, it is called Respondeat Superior.
You see, my friend, when you send your chiwawa to bark at people and annoy them, those annoyed people have a right to hold you accountable for the nuisance your chiwawa caused. That is why whenever people see Mallam Ukaobasi, they just follow the leash until they get to Anaedo. Got it?
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I just quoted your post in which you openly supported a trouble-maker. If the post is not yours, you might make it known.
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quote:those annoyed people have a right to hold you accountable for the nuisance your chiwawa caused. That is why whenever people see Mallam Ukaobasi, they just follow the leash until they get to Anaedo. Got it
Yeah Got it!
I think It may now be safe to conclude from the theoretical explanation quoted above, that Daud finally went postal!!!
But...but........but Daud, how about “Quagmire in Iraq”?
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quote:It seems that you have chosen the rather infantile manner of addressing Mr. Ukaobasi as an errand boy. I kept quiet the first time, and we know that as they say, Silence means Consent. Now, let me spell it unequivocally that Ukaobasi and other worthy members of this forum are shining role models to me with their dogged determination, their unquenchable Biafran spirit and their most erudite approach to burning national issues. I would be most grateful to even be numbered in their company. Their shoes I am not worthy to untie and as such, they command my utmost respect and admiration. I am not comfortable with that new light you are trying to shine on me and I ask that you desist. Next time you make that silly comparison between yours truly and Ukaobasi, I would recommend that the whole forum ignore your attempts at mischief.
Anaedo,
I must say I'm humbled and honored by your affirmation as stated above. You have always proven to posess great integrity, sharp focus, and a principled determination not to be easily distracted by impotent vulgarity employed as a cheap resort by those demonstrating a pitiable capitulation to superior reason.
Without your having made this posting, it would be evident to all that you are one among the select members on this board, the contents of whose postings I like-wise hold in the highest esteem.
Daud, am afraid, finally went postal, and like that proverbial camel whose back was broken by a final straw, he himself has confirmed by his outbursts that he's on a tear! On the rampage!
My humble self and yours(for daring to question why Daud's need to hide behind your handle to take his jabs at me), being the primary target
All it took in this instance was an admonition by me to a forum member who saw fit to use my handle(as now seems to be the latest trend these days) to insult by disdainful reference, another forumites mother.
Pent-up rage, and the limp justifications for it's unburdening is all that comprises Daud's foaming-at-the-mouth dishevelment since then, a prior existing helpless rage that found its avenue to vent in an admonishment making no remote reference to him, this despite my reassuring him with kindest sympathy that I felt his pain.
But alas! In Clint Eastwoodesque fantasy, Daud must now have his pound of flesh Come what may! And so with loaded Uzi, its to the POST OFFICE (forum) we go! La la-la,..... la la-la,..... la la-la.
The heck with "Quagmire in Iraq"!!!
CONCLUSION What then can a civilized man do?, but let a poor animal vent. When his snorting is over, I'll remind Daud of "Quagmire in Iraq".
MOVING ON
Anaedo,
Speaking of "Quagmire in Iraq", as the US occupying troops continue to consolidate gains made in what one must admit to be the most impressive assertion of military might over an entire sovereign nation, miles and miles away from home-base, an awesome feat having no comparison in scale and magnitude in the entire human history, as the troops on the ground move to perfect the role of "policeman" and "peacekeeper", it is fast becoming evident that this is no "Vietnam"nor is it a Soviet-like "Afghanistan".
Can the current seeming confusion in occupation planning, arising from a deliberate attempt by the US to distract the world from its long term intentions and strategy, manifested in the lack of support from other Western/UN/World leaders, and the daily confrontations by Al-quaida terrorists and opportunistic fedayin terrorists be called a "Quagmire" ?
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A cursory glance at the path this thread has lately assumed would convince any unbiased reader that perhaps the thread had outlived its usefulness or that the originator of the thread had perhaps reached a breaking point with his submissions that hence he has voluntarily decided to sabotage his thread. It was with a sense of disappointment that I read the bovine excrement that Dowdy Daud had vomited up there on December 29, 2003 by 10:31PM. Quite apart from the most disgraceful rendition or rather misinterpretation of Pavlovian Classical Conditioning, or the other mostly zombie-like phenomena that he churned, one might peradventure surmise upon detailing the innumerable number of times that an appeal for maturity had gone unheeded that this recourse is another classic obscurantist antic. It was upon the realization that the originator had deemed it fit to unleash a revanchist hubbub to destroy the ambience of intellectual discourse that I decided to jettison this rabbit’s hutch of a thread until such a time as a semblance of sanity seeps back into it.
Here, I wish to address the question that Mr. Ukaobasi posed to me.
He expressed thus:
quote: Can the current seeming confusion in occupation planning, arising from a deliberate attempt by the US to distract the world from its long term intentions and strategy, manifested in the lack of support from other Western/UN/World leaders, and the daily confrontations by Al-quaida terrorists and opportunistic fedayin terrorists be called a "Quagmire" ?
Anaedo my brother, what say you?
Maazi Ukaobasi:
It is worthwhile to stress that there is a world of difference from the way I perceive the current events in Iraq to the way that Daud does. Quite frankly, I still think that Daud is unfortunately stuck in that pre-war matrix and hence he views the losses on the American side as salient indicators that the American campaign in Iraq has not been proceeding according to plan. One might then be tempted to ask for the manner in which the word “Quagmire” is being used here. Who is experiencing this quagmire—the Iraqi insurgents or the Coalition troops? You know, going by Daud’s antecedents on this forum, you are sort of baffled if he has unwittingly elected himself to trumpet the concerns of the American people. This is quite different from the light he had always presented himself. So, is Daud now concerned about the lives of the American soldiers in Iraq that may have lost their lives since this campaign began that he has now, like one of those aging senators begun to scream about a quagmire in Iraq? If not, should his thread not have assumed a slightly positive topic if he is convinced that ‘the resistance’ (as he fondly calls it) has gained an upper hand in the conflict? Whose favor or understanding is he affecting to represent by announcing some quagmire?
The fact here is that, in Iraq, we are in a post-war stage. You were absolutely correct when you expressed that Iraq is not another Vietnam. Sure, we might have occasional attacks from these faceless insurgents, but by and large, the international community has come to accept the status quo and as such is beginning to reappraise its position concerning the Iraq situation. Therefore, to me, I do not see a quagmire/catastrophe (certainly not in the sense that the originator implies) but possible sequence of events that may or may not impact the ease with which the Coalition troops conduct their daily activities.
For instance, the new local Iraqi police force is a body which if adequate care is not taken at this inchoate stage, could very well transform into a slightly less than honorable bunch.
The US is spending millions of dollars from Iraqi seized assets and about $3.3 billion of US taxpayers’ money to create five security apparatuses—the Police, an army ( believe it or not), the Civil Defense Corps, the Border Patrol and the Facilities Protection Service ( plus court and prison systems). The US military oversees the army, civil defense and border agencies. The police is run by the Iraqi Interior Ministry and other ministries may employ the Facilities Protection Service to guard the buildings.
I do not need to stress that a good police force is crucial to establishing a good society or that an inordinate reliance on the military could give way to a banana republic, but the important thing to state here is that in the slight rush to make up for manpower deficiencies, the US unintentionally eased the application and screening process and in that manner allowed for a lot of disheveled Iraqis who might have had Baathist relations or influences to join the police force. Also, the fact that some of these new recruits are simply buoyed at the prospect of earning some money could not possibly be considered a positive. As soon as the US has the fullest opportunity, these new Iraqi police candidates should be made to undergo several checks or background investigations so as to mitigate the chance that one of these candidates might corner the resources at his disposal to further exacerbate an already ingravescent situation. Other than this, all indications so far would tend to suggest that barring the occasional terrorist strikes, it is business as usual as these novel institutions go about the task of national restructuring.
Furthermore, of worthy mention is the fact that the US seems to be making headway in persuading the 19 members of the Paris club (an informal assemblage of developed creditor nations) to forgive a vast majority of about $120 billion of the Iraqi debt under the defunct Hussein government. Iraq even owed about $80 billion dollars to other Arab countries. If these countries abide by their pronouncements, then there is a real potential that Iraq could eventually show signs of an economic recovery. I hardly see this development as symptomatic of a so-called “quagmire”. There are many other issues that when brought to light, would rebel against the notion of a doom’s day quagmire that this thread is wont to suggest.
At this point, I think that to fair-minded participants, I have made my position inescapably plain. Perhaps, at this juncture, I should kick back and enjoy the contribution of others.
By the way, Mr. Ukaobasi, if Daud has decided that he wants to go about shooting wind on this thread, I’d suggest that you let him. Concerning his religious reminders about the problems that the US might be facing in Iraq at the hands of entropic entities, maybe like I said earlier, he is becoming bored with the thankless exercise. If you had not asked that question, I would not have returned to this hopeless thread. Quite frankly, I do not intend to dignify by way of a response, the intemperate fanatical folly of a burukutu-guzzling, dagger-drawing knave or the xenophobic diatribes of a veritaphobic, trash-talking behemoth.
Wishing God’s blessings to you and yours in this New Year. Remain blessed!
quote:Originally posted by Anaedo: By the way, Mr. Ukaobasi, if Daud has decided that he wants to go about shooting wind on this thread, I’d suggest that you let him. Concerning his religious reminders about the problems that the US might be facing in Iraq at the hands of entropic entities, maybe like I said earlier, he is becoming bored with the thankless exercise. If you had not asked that question, I would not have returned to this hopeless thread. Quite frankly, I do not intend to dignify by way of a response, the intemperate fanatical folly of a burukutu-guzzling, dagger-drawing knave or the xenophobic diatribes of a veritaphobic, trash-talking behemoth.
Wishing God’s blessings to you and yours in this New Year. Remain blessed!
Maazi Anaedo My brother, God's blessings to you and yours in this new year and by the way a like wise greeting to all and sundary on this board no matter what our differences may be. You are of noble heart and personage and no one, by cheap and vulgar insult can succeed in taking that away as the truth is always easy to discern.
Like you, I contemplated leaving this thread, and even did conclude to, especially as the folding events in Iraq soon revealed what we have all come to see. These loose gathering of brood of vipers called terrorists and fedayin are no freedom fighters, and have never been nor will ever be, it would be the same as representing murderous street urchins and yandaba in Northern Nigeria as "freedom fighters" and "Jihad warriors" and then coming onto this board to spout a whole bunch of absolute nonsense in the hope one's basic premise cannot be challenged, and with the ready recourse to resort to personal attack and vulgarity once a differing opinion from your threads premise is expressed.
It is a difficult thing to stay focussed on issues in this forum because those whose initial unrepentantly mischevious purpose for coming into this forum was to ridicule Biafrans and or Igbo's in general (for the legitimate expressions of outcry not otherwise represented in the hateful intent of the Yoruba press, or any other stifled Igbo outlet in Biafranigeria), have perfected the means by which they blunt and water down issues of burning importance by contributing trivial commentary, ridiculing critical opinions without proposing sincere solutions, or outrightly mischeviously coining up different handles as Daud has inherently admitted in one of his tirades.
In the effort not to lose focus and to maitain clarity of intention and even uphold some modicum of integrity, any contributor, passionate about critical issues then finds themselves faced with the choice between trying to appear "decent", "broad minded" "upright" and diluted, or on the other hand, bold, plain-spoken, and tenaciously passionate but honest to self.
In the battle to make this choice in the face of ridicule of ones ideas through the methods mentioned above, it becomes necessary to maintain what I would call some "elasticity of approach": of integrity to those who demonstrate integrity, and totally flexible to others based on their demonstrated preference.
It was NwaAro who at some point, pointed out that we must stand our ground firmly in the face of mischief both from within and from without. Nothing is therefore too embarassing or capable of lowering my integrity when the generousity to display it is dependent in the choice of approach displayed by those with whom we exchange. In all though, we each must have a personal code despite that which is set for us by the administrator on the board and we must not back away from it, because some member or other decides to hold us ransom by violating its sanctity. We may do battle on this board but we may not invoke another handle to insult ones parentage if we cannot face the heat on our own. That is why despite my direction, I had to come back to this thread to make that abundantly clear.
Daud saw my admonition to Mota (which was neither insultive to Mota, in light of the fact that he daily invokes my handle as one of the "bad guys" everytime someone joins this forum, without me raising cain and with me maintaining interactions and exchanges on other issues heavy or light) as an opportunity to exact vengeance for previous pains apparently suffered by him (in his opinion) at my hands, and has missed no opportunity to degenerate into vulgarity since then, this makes me even more interested in staying on this thread and discussing this "quagmire in Iraq" as it now presents some opportunity at sattire without displaying anger and rage.
Only a civilized conduct can acquit the sincerity of our contributions on this board and I will continue to display such in projecting my position.
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I think this particular “Quagmire” Chieftain has had enough! Like a spastic cat that finally wound itself into stressful exhaustion, now looking plain frazzled.
He was caught in a “Quagmire” spider-hole. He was known to have asked: “What took you people so long? Enh?” “What kind of a conscience do you people have anyway?” “Leaving a whole sovereign leader like me in the hole like that”!!! “DO, YOU, KNOW, WHO, AM, I???” Respect me O!!! (in naija fashion)
The Coalition troops were known to have replied: “Oga sah. Sorry sah. They then proceeded to bundle him off to de-lice him, spray his overgrown beard with raid, and then shear off the whole thing like sheepwool. (you may peruse the before and after pictures below to verify what am telling you)
Below is the facial expression of our one-man, local-hero, “Quagmire” expert, and fan-club when news of all these happenings filtered out:
The potential for a real “Quagmire in Iraq” may yet exist if the Coalition troops fail to capitalize on the capture of Saddam to modify the troop composition to reflect the applicable conditions, and at the policy level, fail to seek greater UN control and involvement without jeopardizing US aims. It is their victory to lose, and if through sheer idiots-luck the rag-tag combination of Fedayin and Al-qaeda “Quagmire” warriors are able to survive the tightening vise-grip of the coalition, any oversight may yet prove costly. Recently though, after one of theirs had collected a cool 25 million USD for snitching, some Sunni wizened elders are known to have come forward to express their desire to now play a good faith role in the re-development process. We do know though from Sharia-like types in “Nigeria” that that wont stop some “Quagmire” street urchins from continuing their “Quagmire” rascalities. In fact, more recently still, some other faction of elders requested very sincerely that the Coalition troops stop patrolling their neighborhoods, especially at night, stating that such was liable to bring about unnecessary endangerment of innocent life, and in my opinion, especially since that time of the night could be used better to plan more peace initiatives and overtures in peace and brotherly tranquility.
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“Quagmire” head honchos in strategy and “theory” brainstorm session
Meanwhile, deep inside their cave version of “pentagon” the picture below shows “Quagmire” heavy hitters posing while discussing “theories”. They’ve since been routed from that particular cave, in fact some in the picture are no longer with us, as they have since gone on to take delivery and headcount of their seventy two (72) eternal virgins for eternal frolicking in heavenly bliss (sigh):
Here is a picture of the resultant “theoretic” strategy that was devised in that cave “pentagon meeting” (some credit must go to our in-house “Quagmire” theorist for “theoretical” suggestions contributed through several phone sessions with “Quagmire” leadership, aimed at optimizing strategic outcome):
It appears, though that some slight modifications are in order, the drawing board beckons. Below, our “Quagmire” expert seethes in rage, fit to be tied, planning a brutal massacre.
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Even “Quagmire” warriors need a tea break every now and then.
Remaining celebrated “Quagmire” chief symbol and leader takes a romantic motorbike ride with his current concubine (pending the 72 virgins in the beyond that is). See the adorable snapshot below:
In the shot below, the lower cadre warriors take a hospital break in a western sponsored clinic (which they hope to bomb some day, in that sense-making freedom struggle)
Our in house “Quagmire” radical has had it up to here!!! (neck) with leadership! In his opinion, they need to git movin’ already! Git out there and conduct some attacks! “explode” some more occupation troops, dadgummit!!! I just don’t trust that look in his eye. See below:
When will this “Quagmire” finally end?
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Almost daily we’re told that another American soldier has sacrificed life or limb in Iraq. For way too many of us – unless we have a white flag with a blue star in our window – these casualty reports have become as big a yawn as a TV forecast of the weather in Baghdad.
Even I – and I deal with that beleaguered land seven days a week – was staggered when a Pentagon source gave me a copy of a Nov. 30 dispatch showing that since George W. Bush unleashed the dogs of war, our armed forces have taken 14,000 casualties in
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