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Chima, my friend, some of you will never cease to amaze me when you want to eat your cake and have it. Was it not you who came out boldly and claimned RWANDA STYLE GENOCIDE IS BREWING IN NIGERIA?
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Your sympathy may be well placed on this one, but your credibility is suspect when you refuse to condemn lining up hundreds of unarmed Igbo civilians in Asaba and shooting them in the head in a bestial act, the savage bombing of schools, churches and civilian neighborhoods in Biafra by the combined forces of Arab mechinery jihadists, Societ oil-for-MIG crafts, britist treasure looters, the "shofisticated diplomacy" of the Yoruba "best educated African" loudmouths and the Hausa jihadists from up north, the later two combined being totally inconsequential in a straight-out, un-aided gunbattle with Biafra. Why don't you accept that it was wrong then for Yoruba tribesmen, in their usual subservient, cowardly role under northern hegemony, to have conspired to impose starvation on the brave people of Biafra, who fought for freedom to save the black race. It was wrong then and it is wrong now for the House of Windsor to attempt to take over Iraqi oilfields by trying to kill off the people.
Be like Biafrans and stand by the truth all the time; it sets you free.
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" First it was a war to exterminate the Sunis. Now, the US aggression in Iraq is turning into a war of genocide to exterminate Shia Iraqis. Already, the US Army, Airforce, and Marines are raining bombs on civilian areas, including Mosques."
Daud You and your fellow wannabe Jihadist Ugali Shaga should know that there is a more noble cause for you to champion nearer home.I have told you this many times but you would rather worry about Iraq. The marines have killed fewer muslims than these mad mullahs have. Arabs massacre black muslims in Sudan
Besides if the Iraqi's are going to hide in their mosques and shoot at the marines then they should expect those mosques to be legitimate targets.
[ April 08, 2004, 05:11 AM: Message edited by: chiboy ]
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Ugali and Daud, How can you have the courage to speak of US committing Genocide in Iraq? Look at your Nigeria and the daily killings of the innocent, burning of churches in the north. Yet you have the audercity to accuse Americans, who went into Iraq to save those satanic moslems beasts from their brutal dictator Saddam. Instead of showing appreaciation for their libration, they turned around to kill Americans. How can you justify the fact that these animals are using muslim religion, hiding in mosques to kill Americans. Do you expect Americans to fold their hands? The good news is that Americans are equal to the task and majority of Iraqs are supportive of the sanity America is trying to restore in their country.
Daud, Where have you been, beast? Did you not support the real genocide which was committed by your people in Nigeria? Think fool?
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There is no doubt about it, Iraq is fast becoming a disaster zone for my adopted country. I wish this cowboy president never took us there in the first place.
Yanga sleep, wahala go wake am, wetin you go find, palava you go get o.
The death tolls is on the rise everyday and these are not just statistical numbers, they are somebody’s father, mother, son, daughter, cousin, and siblings.
You can see from the black sheep of the Biafran family that there is no agreement amongst you Biafrans that what America is doing in Iraq is genocide. I can't say I am surprised there, not at all, since some of your Biafran brothers have said that they are Jews. The Jews are famous for thinking that the only genocide that should matter in history is the one by the Nazis in Germany and Poland.
I was not a witness to the war in Nigeria. Pardon me if I don't speak about things I did not witness. But, according to black sheep chima njoku,
quote:[the Nigerians] ... went into ...[Biafra] to save those satanic ... [Igbo beasts] from their brutal dictator ...Ojukwu. Instead of showing appreaciation for their libration, they turned around to kill ....[Nigerians].
How can you justify the fact that these animals are using ....[Igbo] religion, hiding in ....[churches] to kill ....[Nigerians]. Do you expect ....[Nigerians] to fold their hands? The good news is that [Nigerians were] .... equal to the task and majority of [Biafrans]... are supportive of the sanity ....[Nigeria tried].... to restore in their country
One man's genocide could be another man's liberation or effort to restore "sanity."
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It seems this guy is nothing but a Zombie, and a terrorist agent. You better be posting from outside the USA, because every indication point to the fact you are a terrorist rep.My thinking is, if you live here in America the homeland security agents need to know who you are. Just to remind you,these evil men who are using satanic muslim religion to terrorize the civilized world will definitely be subdued, it is question of time. The world will again be peaceful for decent humanbeings.
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Unlike you nternet Biafra boy, I am not the one who is here in this forum trying to set up "Biafra," which threatens to disrupt American and British oil interests in Nigeria. Do you know that people like you have already been classified as terrorists or terrorist threats by the so-called Homeland Security Department? Wait till they catch you near any oil installations, especially if you are there making noise about Biafra this and Biafra that.
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Daud Really if you hate the U.S. that much you ought to pack your bag and head home. I mean there are a thousand and one islamist nations were you can go set up your tent and practice your brand of fanaticism, for one Sudan comes to mind.
If you think life in the desert riding camels and donkeys beats the luxury you are currently enjoying in the U.S. you need to head to that paradise and stop boring us with your half baked claims of genocide in Fallujah. How ungratefull can one get, for the last time if you don't like it here try Saudi or Iran.
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Let's ease on Daud a bit. We all love the US, our new country, dearly. But we must speak up when the current rulers put the country on the wrong path; everyone suffers when economic wealth and human resources are being squandered on a grandiose, untenable dream of controlling the world's resources - a modern-day colonialism.
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As already pointed out, it is good to condemn evils no matter who committed them.
The US did not find any weapons of Mass Destruction, the official reason for which they invaded Iraq. They have captured Saddam and some prominent members of his regime.
Now it is time to go home. Iraqis will be able to take care of themselves. Nothing today justifies the loss of American soldiers' lives or that of the Iraqis.
I have been able to make my contribution here because there was no single word on Jihad at the beginning of the threat, unlike a similar thread concerning the attack on Spain.
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I wish you would all read the title of this thread,it says "US commiting genocide in Iraq". No matter how much we hate Bush that is a blatant lie. I will not help the likes of Daud and Ugali Shaga spread lies against the U.S. and advance their fanaticism by condenming the Bush government in this thread.
No matter what anyone think's about the reasons for going to Iraq, the U.S. is not commiting genocide there. Let's be carefull not to belitle that word genocide.
[ April 10, 2004, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: chiboy ]
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Genocide was committed in Nigeria by Hausa/fulani and Yorubas. Defenceless women and children were massacred in the north, Asaba, Lagos. Egyptian pilots in collabration with Nigerian airforce dropped bombs in market places, refuge camps, villages, even hospitals in Biafra.
In the north, pregnant women were cut open and their unborn babies ripped of their womb. Biafrans who were ruunning for safety were dragged out of the train they were travelling and were massacred. Every village Nigeria rag/tag army stepped in Biafra was burned down, women rapped and men of military age killed. This is GENOCIDE.
nigerians committed GENOCIDE in Biafra. America is not committing genocide in Iraq, unfortunately for the Americans they are dealing with people with twisted mind, because of their satanic Religion. All America wanted to do is save Iraqs from the man who butchered these same sheared muslims for years, just as Americans saved Europe from Hitler.
You are just funny. What do you call the chaotic nature of America's invasion of Iraq where human skulls litter the streets and women and children fleeing every embattled city? How do you define genocide?
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We are going to wait for the more capable Biafrans to step in and help the black sheep out with the definition of genocide. Meanwhile, here is what the black sheep wrote
quote:Originally posted by ...[black sheep]: All
Genocide was committed in ...[Iraq] by ...[the American/British and Spaniads]. Defenceless women and children were massacred in ... [Falluja, Tekrit, Baghdad.] ....[American] pilots in collabration with ...[British] airforce dropped bombs in market places, refuge camps, villages, even hospitals in ....[Iraq].
In ...[Falluja], pregnant women were cut open and their unborn babies ripped of their womb [by US bombs]. ...[Iraqis] who were ruunning for safety .... [blown to pieces by 500lb bombs]. Every village ...[US] army stepped in ...[Iraq] was burned down, women rapped and men of military age killed. This is GENOCIDE.
....[Americans] committed GENOCIDE in ...[Iraq]. ....[Nigeria did not] commit... genocide in [Biafra], unfortunately for the ....[Nigerians] they ...[were] dealing with people with twisted mind, because of their satanic Religion. All ....[Nigeria] wanted to do is save ... [Biafrans] from the man who butchered these same sheared ...[Christians or animists] for ....[months], just as ...[Nigerians] saved [Congo] ....from ...[Tshombe].
Now, go and get the definition of genocide, so we could elevate this debate.
[ April 11, 2004, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: Daud ]
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quote:Originally posted by Daud: ....Now, go and get the definition of genocide, so we could elevate this debate.
Daud, Is'nt this your chore?
To add to that question, lets ask: By what established criteria can it be determined that genocide is unfolding in any stated locale?
A criteria set by a recognized world body such as the UN or Red Cross, should be the standard.
These questions demand answers, If not we will see reason repeatedly turned on its head, and those who prevail end up being those who have the last word, by sheer dint of persistent but vacuous belligerence of personal opinion.
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Welcome to this wonderful thread. I knew you would not keep us waiting too long. As you know, I don't like to make things more complicated than they need to be. Therefore, what I did was very simple. I simply adopted the same rule for genocide, which I learned from the Biafrans. You can see how I applied that rule to the Iraq situation, and you could see that it fit very well.
Now, it is the duty of the Biafra genocide criers, the ones to first cry genocide on this board, to show us which UN document or other qualified document has indicated that genocide was committed upon Biafrans. Remember, the UN does not just publish a manual for determining that genocide is taking place or has taken place; the UN goes further than that; it actually makes the specific determination that genocide has taken place in the particular case. See Rwanda, Bosnia, etc. Then, the comparison with Iraq will begin in earnest. So, Oh! YES!! let the Biafrans, in your words, tell us under which
quote:established criteria can it be determined that genocide is unfolding in any stated locale?
[YES,] ... criteria set by a recognized world body such as the UN or Red Cross, should be the standard.
We could then avoid the vacuous application of that word to Biafra and some cases of human suffering and death that do not qualify. But, I am a patient man. I know that BNW forums have a way of taking the unbeaten path to the truth. I know my wait shall not be in vain. Sanu!
My greetings to Alhaji in anticipation.
[ April 11, 2004, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Daud ]
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Ugali & Daud: I think you guys got Ukaobasi & co's argument very wrong. The point Ukaobasi & co are making is that though it is true that people are dying in Iraq, that, nonetheless, the death toll is yet to reach genocidal proportion, as you guys claim.
I do agree with them on that because if my memory serves me right, then I remember that I was made to understand that;
- Tt's a 'MURDER' when a person is killed,
- It's 'MASS-MURDER' when more than one person dies in a fracas.
- It is a 'BLOODBATH' when 100 to 1000 perons are killed in a conflict.
- It is known as 'MASSACRE/SLAUGHTER' when 500- 10,000 persons lose their lives through fighting/civil strife.
- But when the number moves from 100,000 to 500,000, it is then called 'PROGROM'.
*** The only time an incident resulting from war or civil strife in human history has been described as 'GENOCIDE' or "ETHNIC-CLEANSING" was/is ONLY when the physical and collateral damage (such as deaths through starvation/blockades as it was with Biafrans) reach or exceed the benchmark of ONE MILLIOM victims, or more.
Talking specifically of Iraq, since no print/ electronic western, Arabic/Mid-Eastern/ independent media has so far reported the death of more than three-digit cassualties (from combat and otherwise) since the physical war started in 2003, I then wonder where you got the information and came to the conclusion that the Americans are "committing genocide in Iraq."
On my part, and for all I know, I think that there isn't yet any incident of genocidal proportion taking place in any part of Iraq. For even as heinous as Saddam Hussein's crimes were, no one has yet refered to them as "genocide" against his people.
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That was an important clarification. This country has not committed genocide on Iraq, neither are we trying to save the people from Islam, Sadam or any such things. We simply need control of the oil.
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Good try. But, there are a few problems. Do you happen to have a reference for the definitions of genocide and other mass killings that you are writing about? Do you know that the US army does not count the number of civilian casualties? Almost every square yard of Fallujah has dead Iraqi bodies. The Americans just kill and drive on.
You should not engage in arm-waving when we are talking about an army that thinks it has a right to wipe out Fallujah's population just because four Americans died in Iraq. What makes you think that the US has not killed more Iraqis than the number of people killed on both sides in the Nigerian civil war?
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Daud, my biggest bone of contention with you is that your not a good listner. I have the feeling that you don't follow directions and if you do, you don't grasp.
Chiboy, yelled and showed you a passage to read, "ARABS MASSACRE BLACK MOSLEMS IN SUDAN" , perhaps to understand the meaning of genocide in your own backyard, you have been oblivious of the sight.And if you have visited the sight, I would like some feed back from you. One thing that I have uncovered about African moslems, especially the Hausas is that they think they are Arabs or have a reflection of the the desert rats when dealing with other Africans. That thought is not only lackadaisical but dangerous. What Chiboy is saying ----> is for you, Daud to bring your burden closer home[Sudan] and leave the battle in Iraq to the Arabs. How can you be in the swimming pool and complain of having soap in your eyes? "Habba"
Hail Biafra
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Thanks for the warm welcome to this thread of yours.
Before I go any further, let me state here unequivocally that on a moral basis, the loss of a single life for any reason encompassing both America's objectives in this campaign and the resultant co-lateral loss of innocent civillian life should be recognized by all as a sobering phenomenon. Death and mayhem is certainly currently being committed/unleashed in Iraq. My hope is that in the exchange to validate our differing viewpoints, we dont minimise in any manner the somberness that is called for.
Here's a direct quote from you below:
quote:As you know, I don't like to make things more complicated than they need to be
Really? are you sure? You continued below:
quote:...Therefore, what I did was very simple. I simply adopted the same rule for genocide, which I learned from the Biafrans. You can see how I applied that rule to the Iraq situation, and you could see that it fit very well.
You did something "very simple"? Does it really "fit very well"? You are the author of that comparison so I can understand your assurance of its unparalleled brilliance, to me, a comparison which like a very ugly face, only a mother could love. You went on further in the comments below:
quote:Now, it is the duty of the Biafra genocide criers, the ones to first cry genocide on this board, to show us which UN document or other qualified document has indicated that genocide was committed upon Biafrans. Remember, the UN does not just publish a manual for determining that genocide is taking place or has taken place; the UN goes further than that; it actually makes the specific determination that genocide has taken place in the particular case. See Rwanda, Bosnia, etc.
Beside the usual ridicule of the genocide inflicted upon Biafrans which we can expect with effortless ease from "Nigerians", you follow up in the next comment below to indicate that you know what I really asked:
quote:...Then, the comparison with Iraq will begin in earnest. So, Oh! YES!! let the Biafrans, in your words, tell us under which: "established criteria can it be determined that genocide is unfolding in any stated locale"?
In other words let us review the rationale:
Daud: "US is committing genocide in Iraq"
Forumites including UKAOBASI: "By what standards UN or Red Cross? what existing criterion can validate that assertion? or is this just an absolute comment not meant to be challenged"? (my summation)
Daud: "...it is the duty of the Biafra genocide criers........to show us which UN document or other qualified document has indicated that genocide was committed upon Biafrans.
Here was your closing comment:
quote:We could then avoid the vacuous application of that word to Biafra and some cases of human suffering and death that do not qualify.
Daud let me help you: My whole point is that the defensive use of Biafra as a benchmark reflects only defensiveness and vastly diminishes your thrust.
If you are ridiculing the claim by Biafrans that genocide occurred against us, yet are using the same Biafra as an exemplification of your claim that genocide is now occurring against Iraqis, would'nt you then be nullifying your own assertions by so doing, and as such ridiculing the basis upon which this thread was started?
My suggestion still stands ie the ball is in your court to prove that US is committing Genocide in Iraq:
What is genocide?
What criteria or standards of evaluation must exist for simple mallams such as myself to determine that genocide has occurred or is occurring, as established by
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