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Warning! Before any attempt to give me some gibberish, be aware that Benin as is, is first and foremost un-African. Secondly, no matter your definition, source and all that I still will not be convinced that whatever you thought of it will satisfy me, aiight. Having said this, what is the literal meaning of Benin, who gave it that name, under what circumstance, how many people were present during this name initiation, the weather condition etc? Please!
What is the literal meaning of NBA an acronym based on the formation of letters? It has no literal meaning nil/zero/zip it could be Nigerian Bar Association or National Basketball Association or whatever one wants it to be. Othniel: Take note!
I can almost assure you that the word "Benin" has no literal meaning period. A name could be based on the diction, syntax, sound or general appeal of the word or letters. Those of us that live in the most civilized part of the world.... USA, know that African-Americans make-up names ex. "Lakesha, LaShonda, Tameka etc without real meaning though with African sound. And this is neither criminal nor illegal so please respect us, as you are too young to understand the BIAFRA experience.
quote:Othniel: Meanwhile, there are about 40 Million igbo in this world. How and when did you get their opinion about if they care about the literal meaning of Biafra? Was there in the past an opinion poll in igbo-land about this issue?
I believe the above statement to be childish and petty since if I may use his standard he did not get permission from other Nigerians before embarking on his fruitless venture to question why BIAFRA.
Assignment for him:
I'll like to know the names, towns, education and employment of all the Igbos who disagree with my assertion on BIAFRA. Sometimes ago he boasted about the German education and we know better. If we’re to assume this to be true then he should’ve known what SAMPLING means. Let me simplify based on the response he got on this forum from his foolish question "What is the literal meaning of Biafra," I can comfortably say the 40 million Biafrans he quoted will agree with me give and take .0001% that might be bribed by the Nigerian machine.
When men are discussing matters of importance it's not always a good idea for youngsters to indulge. Now, we will be interested to know the meaning of "Benin" which is not an African spelling. I've made the meaning of Benin the issue so let’s get busy, guys.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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Duola ginkniht tsuj. Ti tuoba tegrof. Eb t’nac siht ylerus, on…..fi sa sdnuos dna skool tsuj ti tub ti pleh t’nac. “stnirpregnif” htiw niaga taht saw tahw, isabaoku?
___________________ Der Mensch kann tun was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen was er will! Posts: 62 | From: Germany | Registered: Feb 2004
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His mombo jumbo/answer, which could easily mean a curse when translated. Maybe othniel should be made aware that I have young cousins who live in Hamburg, Germany that could easily do the honor of translation.
quote:Dnuola ginkniht tsuj. Ti tuoba tegrof. Eb t’nac siht ylerus, on…..fi sa sdnuos dna skool tsuj ti tub ti pleh t’nac. "stnirpregnif" htiw niaga taht saw tahw, isabaoku?
Below is the answer to my question, which I was liberal enough to share from the on start.
quote:I can almost assure you that the word "Benin" has no literal meaning period.
Folks, othniel, finally exposed? The youngster capitulates! Hurrahhhhhhhhh!!!
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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"Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them." (Matthew 13:13-15)
As a typical half-educated, self-proclaimed biafran, you have not understood Othniel's reply, neither are you able to decipher his message. Therefore, in your little embarrassing self the prophesy of Isaiah is fullfilled.
Guess it's time for you to "go figure".
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quote: Now that you've won the battle, what's next?
It's not a case of winning I simply made a point with that "Benin" question to the young man. Thanks for your very polished response.
And for the false prophetAfroEuro I'll attempt a reply to your stupidity maybe only this time. Now who's one-quarter educated based on
quote: self-proclaimed biafran
Can a bona fide be said to be "self-proclaimed?" Or are you ashamed of your heritage which is under assault by the Oba of Benin who made it clear that you guys are slaves?
I'm interested to know your academic credentials like in journals, thesis and all that if you know what I mean. No claim was made as to what your errant boy meant with the German bunkum. If the message is so " powerful " why not continue the dialogue in English that he's displayed to at least have a very minimal knowledge of? Again, tell us who the half-baked half-cooked soul is. You!
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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I flatter you not; keep hammering at those fools. Maybe they'll learn and stop acting silly. Keep it coming, bro!
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Nde ewo my brother I have answered and re-answered the "O" guy inquiry to no avail. I mistakenly thought that he was interested in learning not realizing that this Benin boy and his yoruba collaborators were out to insult their MASTERS. Now that the table is turned no answers as to the real literal meaning of Benin is forthcoming instead the religious noise and more insults. At least they can begin to know how it feels to be poked at. It's mind boggling how a yoruba with very little or no formal education is always the first to inject "education" in a discourse. AfroEuro, I've enough education to go round your family if not your entire tribe. I kid you not little one!
Again nigerians what is the LITERAL meaning of Benin?. Thank you sir!
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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AfroEuro bist Du wieder zurück? Wie ist die Prüfung für Dich gelaufen?
As you can read in the other threads, I've managed to get some replies and reactions out of these Biafrans. Aber mit den Antworten kann frau/man wenig anfangen. Typisch Afrikanisch halt.
So you've been able to decipher my post, the one that Mr Biafran calls "mumbo-jumbo"? Typically of you to quickly bring a bible quotation.
Anyway, willkommen zurück, alter Freund.
Mr Biafran, there is really no need to answer your "question", because first it ain't no quesion and second, you've already "answered" it.
Shalom.
___________________ Der Mensch kann tun was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen was er will! Posts: 62 | From: Germany | Registered: Feb 2004
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Let me start by asking this simple question. What is Reggae?
On the surface, reggae is a kind of music that is predominant in Jamaica and the surrounding islands.
Reggae, basically, is a cry of anger, a cry for equity, a cry for fairness, a cry for equal rights and justice, a cry for freedom.
Similarly, when the word BIAFRA was adopted from Bight of Biafra, it was meant to represent a concept. That concept represents the following: a. Self determination b. Freedom from oppression c. Equal rights and justice d. End to genocide e. Free at last and free at last (Martin L. King)
So, the name Biafra should have been something else as long as it represents end to oppression.
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quote: Similarly, when the word BIAFRA was adopted from Bight of Biafra, it was meant to represent a concept. -Rick
Unfortunately you've not answered the question. The question is about the literal meaning og the word Biafra. You've replied stating what "Biafra" was meant to represent.
Again, the question is not about what Biafra represents, or why the name Biafra was chosen. The question is: what is the literal meaning of the word Biafra?
Surely, if Biafra is an african igbo word, then there must still be some remembrance of it within the igbo language. Maybe you know something about it?
BTW, the word "reggae" is derived from the name an african tribe.
Shalom.
___________________ Der Mensch kann tun was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen was er will! Posts: 62 | From: Germany | Registered: Feb 2004
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Are you concerned you're playing into the hands of those who think you/your kind are at best bookworms lacking depth and know-how? See how you've taken a non-issue of "literal meaning of Biafra" and insist on squeezing substance out of it. It is similar to the loud-mouthed claim about Yoruba education; similar to olusegun obasanjo/Yoruba insistence on running Biafrans who are orders of magnitude his superior. Are you concerned you're sinking to a new low with Yoruba education; that if you don't hurry up and reverse your pointless drivel on this topic with some substance, you risk personally being held in further contempt and your education questioned.
You should know that this is the wrong board for people who act like the parochial Yoruba/Hausa members of the nigerian ruling class. You will be hammered until you realize that Biafra is unversal truth and represents the highest level of progress/welfare for blacks and mankind.
___________________ achieve Biafra and show the difference Posts: 642 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Nov 2002
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quote: Biafra is unversal truth and represents the highest level of progress/welfare for blacks and mankind. - Amadi O.
Amadi, ok.
You've stated what Biafra is to you (universal truth) and what Biafra represents to you (highest level of progress/welfare for blacks).
Yet you have forgotten do state what Biafra literally means. What Biafra is and represents to a person is always subjective. However, the literal meaning of a word is always objective, and thus free from personal opinion.
Please, kindly prove to the forum-readers your competence in Biafran-matters, and reveal the literal meaning of the word Biafra.
It would help matters if you leave nigerian-tribalistic tendencies out of your speech, because they do not apply to me.
Shalom.
___________________ Der Mensch kann tun was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen was er will! Posts: 62 | From: Germany | Registered: Feb 2004
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The "literal meaning of Biafra" is not important. I submit to you that when you finally wound your wasted, unproductive effort - like the Yoruba/Hausa rulers of nigeria - to the answer you're lookin for, it will be uneventful, not a cure for what ails the Yoruba nation, useless and will change no minds, at least on the Biafran side. The entire effort by Biafran citizens may have a silver lining, however: it could be real education about the futility of Yoruba jealousy on Biafra, for you, your tribesmen and your parochial nigerian rulers and countrymen.
___________________ achieve Biafra and show the difference Posts: 642 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Nov 2002
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quote: The "literal meaning of Biafra" is not important. - Amadi O.
Amadi, surely you're not speaking on behalf of 40 million igbo people worldwide, and a couple of more millions of efik-speaking people? Surely also you're not speaking on behalf of the millions who died under the banner of "Biafra", and who, while dying, did not literally know why they died? Please confirm to the forum-readers that you merely spoke for yourself.
The literal meaning of "Biafra" is not important to you. Agreed.
quote: ...when you finally wound your wasted, unproductive effort....to the answer you're lookin for, it will be uneventful, not a cure for what ails the Yoruba nation, useless and will change no minds, at least on the Biafran side. - Amadi O.
How can you be so sure of what you do not know? How can you know the effect of a bullet entering into a human body when you do not know what guns and bullets are? How can you know the effect of electricity upon the human body when you do not know what electricity is? How can you make ANY judgment about something which you have no knowledge of?
Do you know that a person who has never seen a gun or heard the blast of a gun is not impressed or afraid of the effects of the gun?!! He'll just look at the gun and play around with it ignorantly, going around talking about: "This gun is not important - it can do no harm to me".
I hope you see the logic in this and the parallels to your egoistic answer, because I cannot remember when 40 million igbo people and the efik-speaking tribes where asked about their opinion concerning Biafra. You should therefore only speak for yourself when issues of national identity are concerned. The opinion polls about Biafra have not yet been made.
Shalom.
___________________ Der Mensch kann tun was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen was er will! Posts: 62 | From: Germany | Registered: Feb 2004
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You are a waste of time, a prankster - not funny. You are not gifted in the comic art; the jokes you attempt to tell have no irony, not worth a quarter. Find another engagement.
___________________ achieve Biafra and show the difference Posts: 642 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Nov 2002
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I feel honored and proud to always know the Igbo DNA is forever in you fellas and many more who were able to decode this chap’s insult with the encouragement of his Yoruba cronies. Your brilliance to immediately recognize that othniel has thrown in his towel on my simple challenge to educate us on the literal meaning of Benin is highly commendable and appreciated.
Here’s the full question to him, "what is the literal meaning of Benin, who gave it that name, under what circumstance, how many people were present during this name initiation, the weather condition etc?"
His unbelievable answer:
"And for your information, Benin has a very strong and powerful meaning. But the meanig of "Benin" is not the issue here."
Who is the chap to tell ue what the issue should be? A servant hardly dictates to his MASTER.
While I also did not get any pleasure from my fellow Biafrans who got entrapped by this Benin chap’s senseless post I must advice them to again read the title of my post, which is "What is the LITERAL meaning of Benin?" Not about Biafra guys it’s about Benin/Yoruba and all our other servants. Just read the Ooni – Ife and Oba – Benin then you too would come to the proud conclusion that these folks are truly our slaves. Could they be showing resentment after centuries of serving their masters? Maybe.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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quote:Originally posted by othniel: Duola ginkniht tsuj. Ti tuoba tegrof. Eb t’nac siht ylerus, on…..fi sa sdnuos dna skool tsuj ti tub ti pleh t’nac. “stnirpregnif” htiw niaga taht saw tahw, isabaoku?
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quote:Originally posted by othniel: alouD thinking just. iT about forget. bE can't this surely, no... if as sounds and looks just it but it help can't. "fingerprints" with again that was what, ukaobasi?
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quote:Originally posted by othniel: ukaobasi what was that again with "fingerprints"? can't help it but it just looks and sounds as if...no, surely this can't bE. forget about iT. just thinking alouD.
oThNiEl,
I'm fully with you, but let me disappoint you by saying: DONT YOU WISH!. I bet you wish the person behind the handle Ukaobasi was as politely discernible as MeBiafra.
Let me say am honored by the insinuation though. Thanks.
It appears MeBiafran is showing a tenacity that has kept you busier than you hoped to be. Furthermore, MeBiafran appears to have struck another one of those chords to which you are personally sensitive, as I did with your handle OrUeOrFa (aFrOeUrO) when I addressed your owner's low self esteem as a misguided "Half caste".
In other words, MeBiafran's tenacity is really gnawing at you is'nt it? My advice to you is to; hang in there my friend.
I'm somewhat bewildered though, that many on this board (including MeBiafran) actually politely undertook to offer you a meaning to Biafra, whether as a word or as a concept. Despite having only made about 48 postings under the "Othniel" handle, approximately over 95% of which postings have been a reppetition of the same question which you gleefully celebrate as having discovered our soft underbelly, I still maintain that those who know VERY WELL the meaning you expect us to arrive at (in order to prove your point) allow you the space to wallow in your muck without interruption.
If you made 1000 more postings asking the same question and rudely interrupting other threads, would'nt it be better for others to refuse providing an answer to that question even if they choose to make other manner of responsive commentary on the threads in which you post it?
This way you would be able to progress beyond the Advocat Superieure title for all your postings, on the merit of the continued reppetition of that one question
I now expect you to predictably start making other different commentary, just because you now realize you've boxed yourself into a corner with this "much prized" question of yours. I see AfRoEuRo has finally emmeged from the toilet (along with some other new ones currently under the microscope). Where's Pidgeonboy?
___________________ YA CAIN'T KEEP A GOOD MAN DOWN :) Posts: 1182 | From: TEXAS | Registered: Oct 2001
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You've managed to decipher this little riddle only AFTER I posted the solution to it on this thread. I left it there for a couple of seconds and deleted the message again.
For a person who doesn't understand system administration this information means nothing. But for those who are able to "think for themselves" and who are able to add two unto three and arrive at twenty-three this tells a whole lot!
Now you can also decipher the other message I placed for you.
As for the sincere pro-igbo question which I've asked and will continue to ask, even in the face of primitive insults from you and your buddies, I will surely go on so that BNW's (silent) readers from across the globe will read and personally try to get an answer for themselves.
___________________ Der Mensch kann tun was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen was er will! Posts: 62 | From: Germany | Registered: Feb 2004
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Yet to be answered maybe in the other world. Pathetic
Is the chap ever gonna come up with the answers to the above simple question. Folks!
Read Ooni - Ife and Oba - Benin your history will emerge.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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quote:Originally posted by othniel: Ukaobasi you've betrayed yourself twice today!
You've managed to decipher this little riddle only AFTER ...........I left it there for a couple of seconds and deleted the message again.
For a person who doesn't understand system administration this information means nothing. But for those who are able to "think for themselves" and who are able to add two unto three and arrive at twenty-three this tells a whole lot!
System administration enh kwa?
quote:As for the sincere pro-igbo question which I've asked and will continue to ask, even in the face of primitive insults from you and your buddies, I will surely go on so ........ Shalom.
This gets even more entertaining! Apparently there are now primitive versus advanced insults. Othniel my friend, you are definitely affected! I will keep ignoring your repeated hints of apparent Igboness on your part until you dare to make that claim more directly.
In the meantime, calm down! drop your mean and vulnerably stubborn posturing. There are many other ways to achieve what you believe you are fighting for (with an open mind and without the self absorbed Judas touch). That is if you are really sincere to yourself in your intentions and expectations.
Believe me (this is a free personal advice from one soul to another).
___________________ YA CAIN'T KEEP A GOOD MAN DOWN :) Posts: 1182 | From: TEXAS | Registered: Oct 2001
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Dear fellow proud to be Igbo, I believe the more we respond to this benin chap the more we give him the avenue to continue his insult, which unfortunately as a youth he does not see. In his mind insults could only come in the form of words like "idiot, stupid, fool" and the like without the realization that when you make fun of someone's last name for instance it is considered a form of insult.
Please encourage the other Igbo/Biafrans to give him the silent treatment no matter how provocative he might get and will get. This would ultimately spell his end take it from someone who knows. As you can tell he and his fellow traitors are yet to attempt an answer on my simple question. Know wh
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