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It is hard to make sense to some Nigerians who do not have any concept of what it means to be a hero of your country. What a heck? they never had one and probably will never have one or get the feeling. Ronald reagan loves his country. And no one should expect him or demand that he love Africa or any other country same as his beloveth. Try having your Obasanjo fill his shoes as a hero.
AND I ASK Is this the same Reagan who rebuilt the world's stongest army that forced the Soviet to come to the bargaining table?
Is this the same Reagan who never fired a gun to end the cold war and saved the world, particularly Africa from bearing the biggest burden of after fact of a nuclear war?
Is this the same Reagan whose popularity was loved by his people and was elected twice despite the Iran contra scandal?
Is this the same racist Reagan who made it possible for all the goddamn critics and loud mouth of this forum become Resident Alien or American Citizens? ?
Was it not the same Reagan who authorized the citizenship of a Nigerian woman, who ran to him in a crowd and handed him a letter but advised her to give it to the CIA. It was on live national televison.
Why is it that when a President, particularly a GOP down-sizes the Social policy of this country, that has made the poor become carpet beggers, he is viewed as a racist?
Was it not Ronald Reagan that Clinton said, he admired, modeled his economic and social policies and the Democrats thought that Bill was crazy?
Why is it that when a President in this country has a policy that is not in favor of Africa, he is called a racist?
Bill Clinton had more drastic social policy changes than Ronald Reagan He was never referred to as a racist, even the Black Caucus was against his social policy. No one saw him as a racist. Reagan made some bad policies in Aparthied South Africa and his opinion on Martin Luther King Birthday, should that qualify him as a racist?
Was it not Reagan Economic and Social Policies that the Democrat controlled congress refused to pass not once but twice until it was watered down. Bill Clinton came along and revived that same policy, formerly voted down by the Democrates?
I can only say one thing and one thing only, The Librals are so bugged by the popularity of Ronald Reagan before and after that some wishes he never died. Members of this forum have a misplaced reasoning about Reagan and just don't understand where they fit when it comes to a hero of a country. Because they have never had one. Ronald Reagan is an American Hero and the world's statesman. You can critic him as much as you want, but don't forget he gave you that freedom to make a living in this country. Show a little respect for a Hero, stupid.
Hail Biafra
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quote:Is this the same Reagan whose popularity was loved by his people and was elected twice despite the Iran contra scandal?~~~ WP
What does that tell you about American electorate ... Tells me that they are dummies. Ask an average American who is the Governor or Capital of a State other than one he/she resides in.. you will get a wrong response.
Therefore his second election win is nothing to be proud. It can only happen in America with a Dumb electorate. Exactly the same thing BUSH Jr. is hoping will happen to him, which will not happen because Bush Jr. is no Ronald Reagan.
quote:but don't forget he gave you that freedom to make a living in this country. Show a little respect for a Hero, stupid. ~~~WP
That is the most stupid thing that ever came from your mouth. Let me tell you that Reagan did not give anyone in this country freedom to make a living ... The Constitution did .. you might want to read the Constitution again if you you have even read it before and see if you find Reagan's name in it.
Further, let me say that Reagan was not the President of USA when I came to this country so he could not have given me any freedom to make a living here neither did he do such to all people in here.
Ednut said it best, you are a resident DIDO head of Rush's Talk show and seems to get all your talking point from him which is usually wrong. You might want check your facts before you put it down in this forum.
Reagan give"you" freedom to make a living....?? stupid statement that needs to be withdrawn or apologized for making it.
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I'm glad I touched your goddamn nerves showing your short circuit temper. But I will be a screw ball, if I respond more than once to a nuisance whose own stupidity is tattooed all over the forum with an exclamation point. I guess being a loud mouth and a pest has now qualified you as a spokesperson, yep earned you a four star jackass. Chill, Nwabiafra and stop making a jackass of yourself in every thread. Copy that.
Hail Biafra
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This country (the USA) is almost evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats. The partisanship is at an all-time high. As a matter of fact, this election promises to be the bitterest, nastiest, dirtiest and most divisive election in American history. There cannot be any belittling the fact that Democrats want power at all costs, by any means necessary. The democrats have never been so united as they are today especially as it concerns their transparent quest to kick George Bush out of power. If the democrats feel that they allowed themselves to be cheated in 2001—especially as they had been in power for eight years—you can rest assured that this time around, they will never agree. That of course means that for George Bush to have a stress-free re-election, he’d obviously have to beat Kerry hands down in most states and secure an undisputed majority from the electoral college in such a way that “hanging chads” or like phenomena discovered in any state are not likely to negatively impact the outcome. An uphill task it is, but that’s exactly the frame of mind that George Bush and his campaign ought to have and work conscientiously towards if they fancy returning to the White House.
I made this above remark because it is now quite apparent that if the Republicans thought that by massively covering the death of President Ronald Wilson Reagan--or that by now re-echoing various aspects of Reagan’s policy, or that by weaving political discussions around the policies or speeches of Ronald Reagan--that they can secure a momentary respite regarding political discourse vexatious to Bush’s or Republican interests, then they must have been massively DELUDED!
It is quite sad however, that an illustrious patriotic president who did quite a number of things to re-energize Americans, return hope to many Americans after the sad burden of the Vietnam war and re-position the US as the sole superpower in our times after the implosion of the Soviet empire cannot as much as get a decent burial without Republicans and Democrats muddling up everything with their interminable wars. If you remember that in Reagan’s days as the president, he won the hearts of the people and actually helped many democrats change to republicans, then you can begin to appreciate the nature of the polarity in political circles now.
Ronald Reagan was not infallible; as far as I know, no one is. There cannot be any gainsaying the fact that he may have had some policies or made some decisions which were unpopular then and in retrospect still are. There cannot be any arguing the fact that he may have sometimes said or espoused different ideas that may be viewed with a lot of wariness nowadays. Those are every much a part of his legacy as the other good things that he did. You would think that people will have the decency to suspend their bitter hateful speeches about this man till he has at least had the honor of being committed to the earth. Anyone reading the scathing denunciations and the bitter vengeful railing of some against this man without the benefit of opposing or balancing commentary may think that Reagan belongs to the same class of the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mobutu Sese Seko, Idi Amin etc.
Why is there this rush to vilify the man all of a sudden? Have people become so unfeeling, so molded in their narrow political beliefs, so polar, so unyielding that they must go to any lengths imaginable to heap dirt over this dead man’s head? I am sure there are lessons to be drawn from Reagan’s rich political life (his triumphs and his weaknesses), and I am sure there are and will be documentaries, expositions etc that will have him as the subject matter. Is it too much to ask that rigid, partisan liberals show some decorum at least by suspending some of the hateful things that they flood public space with till the man is symbolically dispatched to the hall of his ancestors when he is buried?
I am very much aware that Ronald Reagan needs no introduction to many. A lot of people know about this uberpatriotic, well-articulated, genial, affable, tireless pursuer of freedom. He believed that the people can do and achieve and should not be heavily reliant on government. Almost as if he had some foreknowledge, he believed that the way to keep America safe at the height of the Cold War was to pressure Russia until Russia understood that pursuing a policy of mutual assured extermination with the US would be impracticable against a communist backdrop. I cannot begin to try to explain to anyone here why Americans loved this man so much. Ronald Reagan was one of a few presidents that the US was lucky to have occupying the highest office at critical moments in their history. He was by no means one who sits on the fence. He had vision and when he sold it, Americans despite their party affiliations bought it. He communicated his ideology both to Americans and to the external world. When he left office after his second term, he had the highest and most enviable approval record. I should probably stop here before I run the risk of raising this mortal to mythic levels. The point still remains that the Gipper is not some hideously terrible megalomanic dictator whose death most invariably ought to elicit joy and happiness from the lips of the people he must have exercised cruel dominion over.
Therefore it would be advisable if people stepped away from their now familiar parochial enunciations to honor this worthy man at this point in time. For goodness sakes, do some people ever stop to ponder that this man has perhaps suffered enough even in his life time? This was a man that lived for the last ten years of his life weak, frail and under bouts of Alzheimer’s disease. In fact, he died of pneumonia which compounded his problems. If these considerations are not enough to check the tirades of supposed fellow Americans irrespective of race or political affiliation, then things are worse than I reckoned.
I am reminded that when Nixon, a conservative, died in 1994, Clinton the president at the time and a liberal had the presence of mind and the grace to bury the hatchet and spare the deceased man’s family the rigor of a painful biased analysis of Nixon’s legacy in the Whitehouse when he had the opportunity to speak during his burial. What a grand gesture! Also, I remember that when Kennedy, a democrat, died, he was accorded a decent burial and republicans did not go about harping on his imperfections.
My people have a saying:
“Ohu fulu ebe e ji mbazu eni ohu ibie dapu n’ochi, ya malukwo na okw’etu ahu ka a ya-esi we nie ye”.
Sorry for the Nnewi accent but it crudely translates into:
“The slave that sees a fellow deceased slave’s grave being dug by means of an axle and then bursts out laughing should realize that on the day of his death he would be buried the same way.”
You see, digging a grave with an axle would be a very laborious process. People use shovels and hoes, not a sharp metal object like an axle. If someone observed people doing that, saw the stupidity in doing that and then bursts out laughing, apparently forgetting that as a slave he or she would get the same treatment then he/she should be sober when he/she realizes that everyone ultimately will feel the Cold Hands of Death—and there can be no way of knowing if worse things would happen to his/her remains!
Time will definitely come for people to review Reagan’s policies and make comments as they see fit. Let the man at least be buried before you conservatives and liberals start the bomb-throwing!
DISCLAIMER:
I have read a sizeable number of articles, communicated with some Americans (Republicans and Democrats), visited some American message boards ever since President Ronald Wilson Reagan died, and I have seen a lot of responses from these scenarios that mirrored the reactions of our esteemed forumites. So, I would like to stress that as I react to the statements and perceptions that I find, it would be best to realize that I am dealing with statements or perceptions that I have encountered elsewhere and therefore should not be viewed as direct or categorical statements to anyone here.
quote: When he left office after his second term, he had the highest and most enviable approval record. ...Anaedo
FYI Career Job Approval Ratings: Kennedy 70% Eisen. 65 Bush 62 Johnson 56 Reagan 56 Clinton 56 Nixon 49 Ford 48 Carter 46
Positive Ratings: Clinton, 1/00 Reagan, 11/88 Accomplishments 68% 60 Communication 72 74 Judgment 42 45 Leadership 53 66 -----------Handling of issues:----------- The economy 68% 49 The federal deficit 55 16 Ethics in government 37 37
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If you're truly Igbo my writings should've answered the CHILDISH snipe for crying.
quote:Ochiagha/Warlord nwannem nwoke - MeBiafran
Not sure your age but you should have known I meant well with the above. Oh well, it's like "ndi kwe ndi ekwe gi."
quote: You want him to paint a picture that does not exist? The statement (backward) was true then, and is still true today if you care for an honest assessment. What improvements has happened since Ronnie told you your continent is backward? exactly!
Since you continue to miss the point it behooves me to drive it in. And what precisely did your Reagan do to steer the "backward nation" out of her jam? You in here would want ordinary folks to act presidential with their assessments and opinions yet readily cuts undue slack for this RACIST of your president who did not see the need to show a little respect for a CONTINENT. Unbelievable! Why not "third world," which we all know means disadvantaged or cursed with evil, corrupted leaders?
quote: Change can only happen with honest assessment. If Ronnie made such a comment, your African leaders should have taken him to task proving him wrong by instituting change; instead they continue to affirm the "backward" label
Dude, the question is not whether or not African nations are civilized as you and I have no hesitation to point out, it is rather the type of public comments a president makes. This is what’s contentious. They (Presidents) are tutored in diplomatic speak unlike you and I, so?
Do you think it was presidential for the thief in nigeria... obasanjo to have called a most Reverend an "Idiot?" If nay, why then would Reagan not speak respectfully of a CONTINENT like in "third world not backward leaders should utilize the natural resources of that CONTINENT to benefit their people and devolop the continent?"
quote:Shame on you for even mentioning the leader of the free world on the same breath with butchers of Baghdad. I guess you gloatedwhen you heard of innocent women and children those animals butchered.
The above statement made you not only ridiculous but equally lost my respect, as death remains that it does not discriminate. Point being you and your gang might view a particular individual as you wish but his/her family sees it differently as in your "bereaved." And double, nay, triple shame on you for thinking that the death of someone other than Reagan should not be as important to the "bereaved" family. And by the way your eighties educational whatever advantage you took was not exclusive to Reagan’s time since people today still go to college with student loans and grants aiight, it didn’t end with your Reagan’s administration therefore your argument is MUTED. Reagan is dead Ochiagha, so let's not allow it affect our relationship in here because my greater cause is how to get outta the accident they call nigeria as I continue to fight for Igbo/BIAFRA cause. Dig? Next!
Waypoint1Biafra:
quote:Ronald reagan loves his country. And no one should expect him or demand that he love Africa or any other country same as his beloveth. Try having your Obasanjo fill his shoes as a hero.
I love this quote of yours if the debate was centered on it I did throw in the towel. However, I speak for myself when I say not a fan of Reagan. Great point!
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What a shame! The flying warlord of BiafraNigeria will attend Reagan's funeral. Poor Aremu! It must be a source of eternal discomfort for him to know that the only way for him to have such a funeral in his own country will be for him to organize and implement the funeral himself, i.e., bury himself alive?
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quote:It must be a source of eternal discomfort for him to know that the only way for him to have such a funeral in his own country will be for him to organize and implement the funeral himself, bury himself alive?
I couldn't agree more. Nice job!
Do you for a sec. wonder why the spineless folks back there wouldn't exploit his AWOL to take back their destiny? While on it, wouldn't it be great if NLC would setup an underground wing with the sole purpose of setting ablaze gas stations that sell above their stipulated price not government’s or whomever’s but NLC's, of say N25/ltr? Without wobbling prices of things would experience overnight drop.
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You are one step behind, Aremu's new found confidence( note that he just called the opposition insignificant)is based on the new deal he has sealed with the Jihadist. He gave them Plateau to re-assure the Ulama's of his loyalty to the hegemony and in return the Sultan has asked the Alamjiri/Yandaba in Sokoto not to join the fuel strike. URL=http://www.thisdayonline.com/news/20040610fue06.html]strike apathy[/URL] Compare this to the noise people like Wada Nas and Ahmed Datti were making some weeks back and you see that Aremu has bought his peace from the Jihadist.
He can now fly as he wishes so long as the preparations for the 2007 handover back to the hegemonist is still in progress. Pity the fools who bore us with Igbo presidency.
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Do I detect a crying babying tendencies from your reaction when I called you out on your idiotic writing?
Well to bad whinner, this is what this forum is all about, if a stupid person like you make an inaccurate statement, you should be called out to retract or some stupid people in here like you might take it to be fact/true.
Just deal with you NEOCON!!!
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chiboy my brother, this piece of yours gave me teary eyes. Since this fool they call obasanjo's second stealing of the peoples' mandate, I can't seem to shake off the melancholy.
God you can’t be oblivious to the highhandedness of this yoruba thief. You must before the end of 2004 convince us yet again of your invisible striking prowess. All we pray is an Abacha type act on this wicked evil so that your children in Eastern Region will once again have the peace of mind to sing your praises without getting slaughtered by his northern gang of terrorists.
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quote: What a shame! The flying warlord of BiafraNigeria will attend Reagan's funeral. Poor Aremu! It must be a source of eternal discomfort for him to know that the only way for him to have such a funeral in his own country will be for him to organize and implement the funeral himself, i.e., bury himself alive?
quote:If you're truly Igbo my writings should've answered the CHILDISH snipe for crying.
Yes, U Biafran…if you are true to your writings, you would agree that the sum of the whole is greater and stronger than one….Why not WeBiafrans? Subconscious thinking I guess!
quote: And double, nay, triple shame on you for thinking that the death of someone other than Reagan should not be as important to the "bereaved" family.
What part of this statement by Waypoint do you not understand?
“Show a little respect for a Hero, stupid”!!!!!
quote: Reagan is dead Ochiagha, so let's not allow it affect our relationship in here because my greater cause is how to get outta the accident they call nigeria as I continue to fight for Igbo/BIAFRA cause
I don’t think you’ve ever done anything for the general good, otherwise you will find it odd to be so self centered especially while lying about your cause to free Biafra. True Biafran freedom fighters vehemently working to attain OUR strategic intent are not blabbering their pie hole on the net.
If you truly have what it takes.. Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity and Personal Courage... to create a better tomorrow for Biafran generations yet to be born, its not evident in your writing..not yet anyway!
You see, its no longer about us, “they” strategized and excluded us. And to some extent, views like yours contributed to our demise.
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Don't you know he is a flying warlord? How long is the flight from Georgia to Washington DC? Just keep your eyes on C-SPAN. You, will see the masquerade.
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quote: Why not WeBiafrans? Subconscious thinking I guess!
Wow! Are we being petty or did I miss some? My chat name "MeBiafran" does not in any way, shape or form imply the others are not only meant to show my pride as a BIAFRAN. Nowhere did it say, "Mebiafran Only” or “Only me is a BIAFRAN,” maybe we ought to revisit 101 level of this language to get a better grip.
Your right to question my dedication to the BIAFRAN cause though acknowledged is vehemently and in the strongest terms denounced. You lack the depth to understand what propels a man in my position to react in the manner that caused you to loose the little sense of appreciation you might have had. Based on your ranting I could unequivocally count you as an IINO (Igbo In Name Only.)
quote:And to some extent, views like yours contributed to our demise.
And yours just like your mentor Asika is what sold us off into this bondage you so much enjoy! Listen up fella! I do not believe in your “one Nigeria” you can take your pandering to your awusa masters for more crumbs that falls off his table not this Igbo here ok?
quote:“Show a little respect for a Hero, stupid”!!!!!
I'll take your passive insult as an occupational hazard as it comes with the territory as far as the chat room goes however, I do wish to remind you that the Igbo I belong do not use such to address an elder. You may disagree with him and that's where it ends according to unwritten Igbo custom and tradition. [b]"nwa mu ya diri gi nma" all I got to say on that.
quote:...otherwise you will find it odd to be so self centered especially while lying about your cause to free Biafra.
Me selfish? News! It takes a liar to call someone you hardly know one. Could you then please highlight all my lies while I stand to refer you and any who cares on the little done to keep the faith.
quote:I bet you are antisemetic...right?
Huh? You mean "Anti-Semitic?" Hardly, I'm a lover of mankind who's preoccupied with the emancipation of his people while fighting viciously to protect and uphold the spirit to which my true country was borne... BIAFRA.
The harsh language (antisemetic) used betrayed your identity in case you missed it as true sons of Igbo who are vigilant would quickly notice. How dare you attempt to mislead with the pseudo name you bear???
It is going to get ugly before it will get better. In my heart of hearts, l crave for ideas and ideals that will move the Igbo that gave you every thing, and brought all of us in Diaspora where we are today, forward. That is what l am going to do, while stomping and crushing on you swarming maggots that will rather live in hell than serve in paradise.
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Hey, why are you brothers fighting? What seems to be the matter here? All of a sudden it seems as if you have left the entire topic and started insulting yourselves on other non-related personal issues.
I am sad that something of this nature is happening on this thread. Please, consider my plea. You shouldn't let this topic draw you to arms. No matter how persuaded you are on a topic, I don't think American politics ought to evoke such bitter spiteful responses from you gentlemen.
Lets get the discussion back on track and stop shooting each other on matters scarcely related to the topic at hand. Thanks for you co-operation Gentlemen.
MeBiafran, with all due respect, you should sometimes realize that if we are to go by your age which presents you as elderly to most of us, as you have hinted generously in the forum, then perhaps you owe yourself and others of similar circumstance the favor of not getting unncessarily entangled by the exuberance of youth. Your duty sir, especially to your Biafran brothers, is to admonish with diligence, reprove gently but firmly, counsel as the case may arise or ignore when necessary. I trust you understand that I am making the above comment without the slightest shadow of malice.
Thanks a lot for pointing out a glaring overstatement in my penultimate post. It is very refreshing to note that you actually read the whole piece. I sometimes imagine that I am rambling here.
The heartwarming thing to note, however, is that you actually pointed out that ambiguous or at best hyperbolic characterization of RWR without recourse to unpalatable diction.
That sentence, if I may reword it, should say:
quote:When he left after his second term in office, he had ONE OF THE highest or most enviable approval record.
Now Ed, I do realize that you are an unflinching Democrat (as a matter of fact you do not have any pretensions about your ‘Clintophilic’ nature) and I must say that I do not begrudge you of your position. However, I am tempted to disagree with your analysis and your entire findings. I do realize there are a lot of ultra left-leaning polls out there and there are some ultra right-leaning ones too. I will be very glad if you could provide me with the source of your findings so that I can compare the figures you have presented.
As you may know already, statistics is not an exact science and polls, or approval ratings are subject to a lot of really non-manipulable external factors. In fact, ratings could really report numbers that varies from one pollster to another. The spread however is a good indicator of the proximity of data.
Anyways, I heard a few people mention the overstatement I made without bothering to crosscheck. I took the information at face-value, least of all not just because it seemed to make sense. Without really going off on a rant over this broad subject, let me just say that from the little re-examination of facts I did on the heels of your remark, I found out that as far as statistical records go, the presidents with the highest or rather most favorable job ratings were Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.
The thrust of my post however was not minimized by this little modification principally because it centers on the polarization of American Politics, and the expected consequences of such unbending parochialism to such transparently apolitical matters as a nation’s laying to rest of one of her presidents. I feel I have made plain my opinion on the issue.
However, permit me to say that I do not share the same fanatical obsession for the character called William Jefferson Clinton. I totally disagree with any poll-findings out there that might try to convey the idea that President Clinton commanded a general approval rating that could possibly be more favorable in its entire ramifications than that of Ronald Reagan. It is just as simple as that.
By the way, Republican congressmen and conservative activists are trying to make the discussion of the next few weeks to revolve around a suitable way of immortalizing Reagan. A clever tactic I daresay, to turn away attention from other pressing matters. Now we have Congressman Jeff Miller of Florida talking about a bill to put the 40th president on the half-dollar coin. Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky on his part wants to remove Alexander Hamilton (he was never a president anyways; just the treasurer) from the $10 bill and replace him with the former president.
If you thought this idea was not altogether such a bad thing at this point in time, then you don’t know how politics works. There is no unanimity here, and it would likely never get passed. All it would do is play into the hands of Republicans because opposing voices can now be flatly accused of partisanship and of not wanting to honor the memory of a great president. Oh yes, when I said there was no unanimity here, I am being quite candid because in addition to the ones I mentioned, there is Congressman Mark Edward Souder who wants the image of Ronald Reagan on the dime; and Congressman Dana Rohrabacher of California who insists that President Andrew Jackson should kiss goodbye to the $20 bill.
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