You continue to risk your own reputation over this matter, let me make it clear to you " NO ONE IS OUT A PENNY OVER THE BIAFRA HOUSE FUND". That BF lied is a different issue but the money raised was properly delivered to MASSOB.I couldn't care less if people donate money or not but the bone of contention here is that even before people knew Biafra house was bogus, Nwa Aro lied to his comrades by publicly claiming he sent money when he never sent a dime. How did he expect those managing the fund raising to account for his phoney money transfer if not that he had already planned to accuse them of stealing his funds.
It did not stop there, the same person Nwa Aro now turns around to accuse those who actually donated money of stealing his money. The is not a joke, and for as long as Nwa Aro keeps lying like he did above you dig yourself deeper into filth in your attempt to protect him. How difficult is it for Nwa Aro to say yes I sent money and here is whom I sent it to or no I never sent money ?
I am not about to join you in sweeping such a criminal behaviour under the carpet, especially when the perpetrator is unrepentant.In your bid to protect Nwa Aro you appear to be condoning far reaching treachery and dishonesty. There was no foresight in Nwa Aro's action, it was a well planned fraudulent act.
quote: Chiboy, Ben, Dave and all my able Igbo brothers please let's abridge the excessive innuendo and move on. Be aware however that no crime was committed by any of you and the topic you've discussed in detail is not a criminal matter. owukwa maka ogani iru anyi ka anyi were amara ma na akwukwa ugbo. Ndewo nu.
This my friend is no innuendo, it is the real thing and please don't belittle the issue for the sake of posterity. It was because we tolerated 419 in Igboland that has left jokers in charge of our affairs today. Never should we as brothers do something together and let a Judas wreck it for everybody.
[ July 21, 2004, 02:21 AM: Message edited by: chiboy ]
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quote: Lets for a moment agree that I didn't make any finacial contribution to any of the fundraising made on this board, for Gods sake, does that disqualify me from talking about these SHAMEFUL events? Do those of us who talk of the financial crimes the Obasanjos commit in Nigeria live or pay tax to the Nigerian government? Why should Nwa Aro lose his right to call people to order when the entire Igbo nation's image is at stake? I say this without remorse or apology: WHATEVER (good or bad) THAT CONCERNS NDIGBO DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY CONCERNS ME (US) AS WELL. SO I OWE MYSELF AND MY NATION THE DUTY TO TALK ABOUT THESE EVENTS WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOUR, AND THATS WHAT I DID AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO.
Nwa Aro:
You are confused again. No one on this board is required to contribute money for anything. Your crime was that you did not contribute anything and you lied about it. Your tax analogy is severely childish. Those of us who don’t want to pay taxes to Obasanjo do not go about fabricating tax documents and claiming that we paid taxes in BiafraNigeria.
MeBiafran asked,
quote: Didn’t you somewhere agree that the Germany gathering was orchestrated by Igbo/Ojukwu bashers/haters? If so how then do you get angry with someone who failed to show up? Please clarify. If however a pattern of avoiding legitimate gatherings organized for the benefit of the Igbo is established I do agree with you that it reeks with suspect. We cannot allow that
MeBiafran:
Have you forgotten that Nwa Aro wrote
quote: the two mails you read above are just a part of a Memorandum I and some well-meaning Igbos in a pro-Igbo organization we formed three years ago based here in Germany compiled a couple of months ago to be delivered at the recently held pro-Biafra/Igbo conference that took place in the central German town of Düsselldorf.
For Nwa Aro to send a delegation to Düsseldorf to deliver his so-called memorandum, he Nwa Aro, must have believed that the Düsseldorf gathering was organized and would be attended by reputable people. In that case, he should have attended, instead of always looking for an excuse to skip town during those conferences. For a man who has been running his wretched mouth about another 419 conference to which he sent a delegation, accusing people of embezzling money he never sent but claims he did, and insulting those of us who were tricked to attend the fake “Biafra House” thing three years ago, Nwa Aro should have studied the Düsseldorf 419 before sending yet another “delegation.”
When I heard that some people were going to have a meeting in Düsseldorf, the first thing I did was to try to find who was behind it. Many groups refused to participate because known Ojukwu haters were championing it. But, not Nwa Aro. He spear-headed a delegation to join in the Ojukwu bashing at Düsseldorf. Was Nwa Aro in bed with the Ojukwu haters or was he too dumb to know that the organizers were Ojukwu haters? Assuming, and it is just an assumption, that Nwa Aro is not a BF member or an organizer of the Düsseldorf fiasco, how many times is Nwa Aro going to get burned before he learns his lesson? Either way, he should not be foaming at the mouth about people who sincerely believed in Biafra and were tricked by BF 3-years ago.
You may think that no crime has been committed. I disagree. When a person implies that others embezzled money he claims he sent, but which he never sent, that person has committed fraud and that is a crime. At least, that is criminal malfeasance.
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I sense anger towards me from the tone of your writing and I wonder how that can be. The attitude should go to where it belonged since all I've done is to get all actors to see where a slip might have occurred and this in itself cannot be a punishable crime not by any stretch. The anger thing brother got to go! Please consider all my posts relating to this theme withdrawn because pretty soon you did "kwoo mu ikwu" and this will definitely not go down well. You cannot on a whim continue to put down a neutral arbiter it's ridiculous to do such my friend. Just as I do not know you I equally do not know the gentleman you already convicted in your court so what's my 'crime?' Of all (Dave, Ben etc) who has written one way or the other on this crap you remain the only one that sees the need to lash out at someone who’s made his position on his involvement on this board very succinct.
quote:Lets for a moment agree that I didn't make any finacial contribution to any of the fundraising made on this board, for Gods sake, does that disqualify me from talking about these SHAMEFUL events? Nwa Aro
Here ya go fella, the confession so take it from there. Kill him, sue him, humiliate him but while doing that remember you have not met each other before so how you hope to actualize your plan remains a mystery. Here's my reply to you in the other thread when you requested that I stay out of your altercation with Nwa Aro as a new comer that I am unknown to me that you snuck back here to attack me, what for I don't know. "Will certainly oblige, sorry about that. - MeBiafran"
As for me, I’m through and out for good. Further tirades towards me would be simply met with “talk to the hand.” Unbelievable!
Ben, I still maintain I do not condone whatever Nwa Aro might have done to mislead you guys nonetheless I remain steadfast in reminding you and others that this is not a criminal matter, a civil one, maybe. But thanks for responding.
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I want you to tell the audience how it feels to match real names to handles in internet yabis. I have been waiting for you to correct yourself but you foolishly failed to do so because you think you can hide behind your "Nwa Aro" handle and destroy real people. The game is up.
Hopefully your friends in Germany will now come out and back all your stupid claims. Moron. Kitikpa lacha kwa yi anya anumanu!
Oshimili Okpala Ahaba
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I can only liken your stance to the actions of those in BiafraNigeria who stand by and watch as irate Hausa muslims massacre Ndigbo, and when the victims regroup to demand accountability from these savages we hear talks of let's live in peace and harmony. They accuse all religions of being extremist while forgeting how the fight started.
I had encouraged you to research the genesis of this case in a brotherly manner. The role you are trying to play has been played by many both in public and private. I have publicly stated that many people tried to contact Nwa Aro to privately explain issues to him and I have even posted links to show he was aware of the attempts to contact him on the issue.Yet he continued to make public accusations and call people names.
If anything he chose to escalate this "crap" to the current level.Giving that Nwa Aro is an old member of this forum you would expect people to come to the defence of his character by now, they are not because most already know what transpired. The forum is not made up of unreasonable people and I am waiting for someone who was there when all this happened to come to his defence.
It is not a complicated matter and he Nwa Aro has made it impossible for it to be swept under the carpet by continously raising the issue. You are free to come to your own conclusions on the case but the fact remains that the ball is in Nwa Aro's court, it is time for him to own up so the issue can go to rest. Have a nice day.
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You will do well to ignore Nwa Aro and have yourself a merry christmas. The problem with the fellow Nwa Aro is he lies like an infant. This board is littered with bold faced lies Nwa Aro has told at one time or the other and some times with criminal intent.Here is his latest
"Before you finish with your theorizing, let me remind you that your gang also came here not long ago and lied to the world that Nwa Aro was in their words "not reachable". But the fact that MeBiafran reached me on both email and later on the same phone number which some folks here claimed they called me and I was "not reachable" (same Tel number I have been using since 1998) shows how good you guys are at making up stories to fit your fantasies."
Let's not even bother with trying to find out what number or email he gave MeBiafran, but here was the same Nwa Aro on this same issue when he came back from his self exile, according to him "so much water had passed under the bridge";
Chiboy, Thanks to you, Ohafia and others for asking of me. Many water has passed under the bridge. Thank God all is well again. Nwa Aro Posts: 1532 | From: USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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quote:It has become clear that the Nwa Aro is...a 419 liar.... fraud being perpetrated by Nwa Aro -chiboy
chiboy this is why the biafran rebels ignominiously lost the war. here we have a fellow biafranist attacking, condemning and openly rebuking another biafranist, accusing him of 419 and fraudulent behaviour. tell me, what happened to the "united we stand - divided we fall" slogan? you biafranists never seem to get better things going for yourselves.
biafranists, please, continue fighting within yourselves, so that we in naija can continue to eat YOUR oil money and place it into swiss bank accounts.
thank you so much for your cooperation.
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Chiboy: I will as I did with Okwy whom I have often suspected to be your frontman use this time of the year (the Yuletide) to give you the attention you have been seeking from me. Now that you have confirmed my fears as raised by 'Addy' that you and Okwy are same coin, I cant help than tell you that you are the one telling lies and more of it when this whole thread is put together.
Let me count some of your broadday lies:
Point one. You said Nwa Aro is a "419". For God's sake, if Nwa Aro has ever dupped or attempted to dupe any of his "firends" in Germany as you put it in your first post on this thread, then my "friends" should have naturally reported me to the German authorities and the German state which is known by even a fool to be a police state will not have hestitated to get Nwa Aro arrested and charged to court (thank God this is not Nigeria or some third world country where people are shieled when they comit a serious crime as defrauding people) since then. So how come same Nwa Aro is still walking the streets of Germany and has even travelled to Nigeria and back over EIGHT TIMES since then?
Point two: You went from Nwa Aro being a "419" to claim that Nwa Aro was actually the one that organized the 'Biafra House' fund raising fraud! But later when I puncshured that lie, you riverted to say that you were also dupped. By whom and which is which?
Point thre: After claiming that you were also an innocent victim, one of your own, 'Kajethan O' to be precise came later to say that the fund was put into good use. Who put it into good use? Is it Amanda whom some of you originally claimed was the only brain behind the whole charade that put it to good use as claimed by Kajethan O?
Point four: You finally nailed your DIRECT involvement ín the crime when you finally admitted that the money raised was handed to MASSOB and that some forumites "tried to contact" me? Who did the contacting and when was it done?
Finally, coming to the link you provided, there was no were in the link that you proved that I said that I changed either my e-mail address or my Tel numbers which was the subject matter in my statement you reposted from another thread.
Rather what I was addressing is this quotation from your comrade called 'Kajethan O' in which he said inter alia:
Quote: ------------------------------------------------- "I have been told that at crucial times in the past three years when you have attempted to work as a member of a group on the Igbo/Biafra issues, you have given your comrades fake phone numbers, fake names, and even fake e-mail addresses. You should know that when it comes to handling public funds, it is fraudulent for anyone to use fake names.---Kajethan O. ---------------------------------------------
Which "telephone numbers, "e-mail addresses" or "names" were your comrade talking about that were "fake"? For the records, it is on same e-mail address that MeBiafran and others before him reached me that I gave those you claimed "tried to contact" me did write me many times. Which to their credit I here admit that I simply ignored and refused to reply to because at that jucture I felt it was not worth the while talking to anyone privately anymore, since I didn't know whom to believe or trust anymore.
For the records, here is what you (Chiboy) said:
Quote: ----------------------- I have publicly stated that many people tried to contact Nwa Aro to privately explain issues to him and I have even posted links to show he was aware of the attempts to contact him on the issue.--Chiboy. ------------------------
So how come my contacts and especially my e-mail address (had only one e-mail address then) were "fake"? Now tell who is lying.
In any case, Nwa Aro NEVER apologized nor has Nwa Aro withdrawn his allegations against you and your gang. That much I told MeBiafran privately.
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Go enjoy your christmas, there will be enough time in the new year to deal with the damage you have done yourself in BNW. I will always be here to unearth more lies when you tell them, so don't be in hurry. I hope your money transfer gets to Amanda this December.
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Quote: --------------------- "I hope your money transfer gets to Amanda this December. ---------------------
This must surely be the happiest and the most fulfiling Christmas that I have ever had. So you have finally admited what I have often said to the effect that you (I also know that many here also know Amanda IN PERSON) do have contact to the Amanda we were told was a ghost who just came here and swindled people and disappeared. Since I have finally been vindicated, I cant help than say THANKS A MILLION for making my case for me.
As to your promise of coming back next year, it kind like remind me of your 'Ibo' friend, Nwa Asaba's EMPTY threat that he wil come with a 'bombshel' when I confronted him head-on (with hard facts as usaul) on the thread titled "Igbo on Igbo..." started by MEBiafran sometime ago.
Poor crook, you need not bow out like the COWARD and FOOL that you were and seems to want to remain. Why chicken out now that you have been confronted with your own lies? Why wait until 2005 to do your damage? So it has finaly occured to you that the rentage of a noisy crowd made up of discredited elements could not shield you or deter Nwa Aro from calling you to accountability?Didn't you know that 2005 will come and that you ought to consult first with 'Amanda' whom we know is your girl friend before coming here to start what you now admit was a thread innitiated with the sole purpose to cause "damage" to Nwa Aro? Only an idle man like you will waste his time trying to bring down people you do not even qualify to serve as their houseboy.
My advice to you and those like you who think that they have the monopoly to do damage is that you should watch the person you pick fight with. Because the fact that I often call for peace on this board does not, I repeat, DOES NOT mean that Nwa Aro cannot do damage (physically and otherwise) if need be.
Before the much awaited 2005 comes, let me tell you and your gang that nothing you write on this board about the fraud you clearly was a party to will matter anymore to me. Because the fact that you guys used all tactics known only to members of organized crime all these years to denying and shielding Amanda and attacking those who simply asked for accountability is enough reason to convict you and your gang in a court of law. So with that myth now unraveled by none other than your very self, it therefor follow that whatever you or even a re-incanated Amanda says from hence, be it in 2005 or thereafter, is nothing but a pre-arranged and CONCORTED STORY that can only be believed by fools. In any case, as far as I am concerned, you in particular has long lost any iota of respect I had for you. Put simply, you are an embarrassment to my type of Igbo, your shameless use of the word 'Biafra' as a cover not withstanding.
The world could now see and understand why I rejected every move (made publicly and privately) by your "comrades" and lately by my very good brother MeBiafran to "reconcile" us.
Enjoy your holiday. GOOOOOOOOOD bye!
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Chiboy, Thanks a lot, I'm so far enjoying the best Christmas of my life, My wife and I are blessed by the good LORD with a bouncing baby boy on the Christmas eve; I hope you and your family are having the best of the LORD birth as we wait and hope for a properous New Year. Enjoy.
Nwa aro, Not withstanding, you most have to check your ways, there is lots of confusion and contradiction on your dealings, take some pause and try stocktaking, may be, you can retrace your steps.
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quote:My wife and I are blessed by the good LORD with a bouncing baby boy on the Christmas eve; - okwyonwuka:
A hearty congratulation to you and your family on this wonderful news. Glad both baby and mother are doing wonderfully well.
quote:chiboy this is why the biafran rebels ignominiously lost the war. here we have a fellow biafranist attacking, condemning and openly rebuking another biafranist, accusing him of 419 and fraudulent behaviour. tell me, what happened to the "united we stand - divided we fall" slogan? you biafranists never seem to get better things going for yourselves.
biafranists, please, continue fighting within yourselves, so that we in naija can continue to eat YOUR oil money and place it into swiss bank accounts. - Conundrum
This quote gave me pause. I had to reflect for few minutes on that.
To All:
I am highly depressed and ashamed that we are back from whence we began. Given that I never wanted to participate in this discussion again, but my love for my country, BIAFRA and the care I have for these two brothers forced me to once more try to inject sanity. From my little interactions with my brothers, I can say none of them would be so proud to gloat over act of embezzlement and embezzling so with that said, I'm sure whatever that might have caused two brothers to come to this might well be a simple case of oversight. This is where I came in to proffer a solution and find a way out. During the height of this malice I requested and got Nwa Aro's contact number. This was in an attempt to share with him the areas he might have erred. Months after that, I again was lucky enough to have reached chiboy over the phone also and we shared very good conversation ranging from the daily massacre of our people and how to stall any feature bullsh*t from the nigerian marauders who reap where they never cultivated, to his annoyance with Nwa Aro. We briefly discussed the situation that led to this open hostility. Reasonable pointers were establishment of course and let me say this to our brother Nwa Aro, chiboy is really a nice cat/guy. Hence my pain that two brothers would dismiss all their gains to publicly inflict pain on each other. May I use this medium to request that both gentlemen call me and let's discuss this over the phone? If we agree on a date and time, Nwa Aro should call me then I'll connect chiboy on a three way call. When in doubt, revisit Conundrum’s quote. Enough!!
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don't let mebiafran deceive you! he is part of the 419 quarrel going on. if you're asking "why", then you need to understand the ibo soul. some years ago i met a biafran doctor who worked as a medical doctor in biafra during the war. he told me that there was this saying that nigerians had about the ibos: "how can you know if a biafran/ibo soldier is dead? answer: wave some bundles of money across his face. if he doesn't rise to grab the money, he's truly dead"
this "call me in private and we all, chiboy, nwaaro and myself, we'll talk" all this is WAYO! wayo jibiti!
there is NOTHING that someone like chiboy or the other anti-nwaaroists will tell us here at bnw board about "having made peace with naw-aro". chiboy and his people have categorically and irretrievably accused, condemned and sentenced the handle nwa-aro of being a fraudulent 419er. the words used on nwa-aro by chiboy (and vice versa) are totally void of any basis for discussion.
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How dare you insult the memory of Biafran soldier who died fight to save their people. You are are digging you grave continue to make all this handle we will not get tired of banning your filt in this forum.
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biafra, recognize by reading my posting PROPERLY that i merely quoted what the biafran medical doctor narrated unto me. what do you mean with "all this handle"? i have this one handle, and no more!
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Okwy Congratulations to you and your family, take good care of that young man.
Nwa Afor I am glad you know there is no time for chasing rats on Igbo issues, always remember that when the urge to defame Ojukwu over powers your sense of better judgement. The rat we are chasing in this case deserves to be caught, it may turn to be another Chris Ubah or Nzeribe if left. You may wish to ignore the thread in the future.
MeBiafran
Ndewo, I have no iota of doubt about your love for Ndigbo and issues vital to their continued existence. I also acknowledge having spoken to you ( though I never asked for any reconciliation like Nwa Aro is claiming ) and I made clear the fundamental issues behind this whole brouhaha. It would be irresponsible to allow one person to derail the efforts and gains made by a few selfless individuals just to pacify this way ward person. Every single achievement that has come to be associated with BNW and it's service to Ndigbo involved the use of resources, therefore it is important we do not jeopardize the ability to continue to acquire those resources as a result of false and mischievious claims such as the one being propagated by Nwa Aro. This comunity has raised money for some very important causes affecting Ndigbo, we cannot afford to lose that ability by allowing people put up this kind of behaviour.
I felt this thread would serve as an avenue to confront this issue once and for all by providing all the pertinent information required to succesfully prosecute anyone who may have tampered with funds.I would not be interested in any telephone conversation with Nwa Aro without at least 3 independent witnesses, and I really don't see what would be discussed beyond who did he send his money to and any evidence we can use to trace the transfer. There are not less than 7 to 10 forumites who are aware first hand what has transpired, and I am sure they all eargerly await justice on this lost money issue. Like Nwa Aro has stated himself he chose to make the issue public despite private attempts made to resolve it, one is left with no option than to deal with the matter publicly.
All that is required is that Nwa Aro make available to you (MeBiafran)the details of his money transfer and you can be rest assured I will do my utmost best to unravel where the money went once you contact me with this information. As ugly as this whole incident might appear we must understand that there is a greater disservice to Ndigbo by shying away from it since he has publicly made this claim in numerous threads. Only Nwa Aro can stop the whole mess by backing up his claims so the issue can be laid to rest.
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I am sorry that your name is continued to be dragged into this nonsense. I do agree with you is time this thing is resolved ones and for all.
Okwy Congratulation on the new arrival, looks like Santa really came through this christmas in your neck of the wood. Get ready for the midnight formula run. Congratulations brother.
Obviously this fracas has assumed dimensions beyond which one like myself find it highly undesirable to wade into, especially having missed the entire and absolutely unnecessary second leg of which this particular thread is a part.
I can only commend MeBiafran for his faith in his brothers, and his love for Nd'Igbo to put forth the yeoman's effort he has tirelessly given to reconcile what may end up being minor misunderstandimgs broadcasted publicly with overconfident zeal, and with dismissive disregard to what could ultimately turn out to be a harmless error/glitch whose cause and outcomes neither party is conscious of nor guilty for.
At the heart of the matter are:
NwaAro's right to skepticism about internet transactions as a whole, and in particular with parties whom he had otherwise thought he was dealing with in good faith.
Chiboy's right as an obliquely interested party to arrest increasingly damaging insinuations implied in NwaAros expressed frustrations, but which involve and cast the BNW board in bad light without justification, given the boards generosity to all who have legitimately sought and been permitted to utilize its benefits to rally Igbos, Biafrans, and empathetic Nigerians to causes which over these past years have mutually affected all of us.
Given these concerns, as off-handedly appraised by myself, here are some questions to ponder:
Could NwaAro be entirely mistaken about the target of his legitimate grievances? and therefore owe unreserved apology to all those he may have harmed, being unable so far to substantiate allegations insinuated against them?
Could NwaAro have inadvertently created the appearance that he may have something to hide by repeating his concerns not as legitimate questions privately posed toward those with whom he interacted, but as broad and general public judgements against other handles who like himself could well be oblivious and innocent of his accusations?
Could Chiboy by opening this thread specifically on NwaAro have inadvertently perpertuated the appearance of a behind-the-scenes conspiracy against NwaAro which fed upon itself to give NwaAro a sense of being ganged up against, and in turn elicited defensive incendiary responses from NwaAro which further nurture the appearance that he intends to damage the reputations of others without justification thereby deserving of same being meted out to him?
Could Chiboy by opening this thread specifically on NwaAro have inadvertently welcomed the undesirable contributions of sworn confusionists like Nwa-Asaba, Connundrum, Nwa-Afor, and many others who have weighed in either to conveniently attack NwaAro for defeats he may have dealt them in the past, or to appear to support NwaAro, in order to spite those lined up against him and thus promote the fight (between Igbo brothers) to derive maximum entertainment and satisfaction value?
Having come upon this thread on this second resusitation of it, I had strongly considered not making a posting unto it on one hand, and contacting Chiboy by pm on the other hand to request the webmaster to allow him remove NwaAro's name from it altogether (since it represents an unnecessary provocation which this board cannot contain should every member resort to open threads about others), however, this thread has apparently stayed public in this form (despite MeBiafrans well meaning and spirited efforts), and so I now use it as an opportunity to call my brothers to order.
Have you considered that despite your sincere convictions, you all could be absolutely flat wrong in the increasingly degrading manner you have allowed this issue to spiral/escalate?, especially without solution to the initial core issues? and especially without unreserved apology to those including yourselves whom you have harmed unduly?
My brothers, I join MeBiafran belatedly (as opportunity affords me) to ask: Is there another way? Is this our best? are we humble enough to undertake to reverse a destructive trend as we Igbos and Biafrans tend to request of "Nigerians"?
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Na wa! O gini? Please maintain an open mind and allow Hon. Uka and other well meaning brothers to find a way out of this mess. This does in no way mean encouraging Ubalike or Ngigelike attitude. No one is telling uba or ngige where they erred or that they are wrong but in this case, I've stated repeatedly that if X occurred, then Y must follow if you read me.
quote:I would not be interested in any telephone conversation with Nwa Aro without at least 3 independent witnesses, and I really don't see what would be discussed beyond who did he send his money to and any evidence we can use to trace the transfer. – chiboy
Well as for having independent observers or in this case listeners (lol) to me it’s not a bad idea. I however do think it is likely that our brother never got to make any donations. This is my inclination which if true could easily been handled by stating the reason behind non-donation after all it is not a levy therefore one retains the volition to either give or not. Trust me I do see where your anger originated and yes you’re right anything that would hamper the ability of BNW or MASSOB to raise funds should be discouraged.
The Honorable One,
quote:…to reconcile what may end up being minor misunderstandimgs broadcasted publicly with overconfident zeal, and with dismissive disregard to what could ultimately turn out to be a harmless error/glitch whose cause and outcomes neither party is conscious of nor guilty for. – Honorable Ukaobasi
Again, you scored right, you captured the essence of my involvement and for that a great many thank you. I’ve in the past maintained the likelihood of no money coming from our brother to whatever, fundraising they had which I was not privy to since it was before my emergence here. The only reason I subscribed to BNW was due to the overlay of insults from a bini rat that goes by multiple handles like, othniel/Biafara/Knight/Surulere/Ripples/AfroEuro and now Conundrum. Honorable, you rightly stated the bone of contention between the two brothers. let me expand on what might be a source of chiboy’s anger towards Nwa Aro although I would rather use disappointment. It stemmed from non reception of any monies from Nwa Aro at the same time the latter claimed that there was fraud of some sort which I’m almost sure was said out of recrimination just to piss chiboy off. And if this is the case, it was wrong since we can’t allow anyone to make bogus claims without substantiation. So, what do we do? I say it looks like the damage has been done albeit you, NwaBiafra could all be invited to the phone parley to see how much progress we might make. Anyone in doubt of the amount of self-damage we’re inflicting should revisit the quote somewhere by Conundrum/othniel.
quote:…on the other hand to request the webmaster to allow him remove NwaAro's name from it altogether (since it represents an unnecessary provocation which this board cannot contain should every member resort to open threads about others),
Allow me the privilege to second the request for the Honorable Web Chief to remove (store) or close this thread entirely. It is the right thing to do since none of us would appreciate a negative thread in our names. For the uncountable times, may I say to chiboy that I do understand and share his disappointment however it could be remedied. The two brothers are indeed Biafranists and Igbo fighters and we’re not about to loose any of you because the fight ahead with Igbo haters ex. aluko, othiel, bababoyz, ugali, olisa etc is much more important.
chiboy and Nwa Aro please listen to Honorable Uka. The man has nothing but wisdom and love for his flock and this is the sole reason he earned the Honorable appellation. He has spoken so guys contact me let’s put this to rest. My direct question to Nwa Aro would be just as chiboy requested; did you make any donations to that fundraising? And if no, I'll encourage him to directly explain why to his brother, chiboy then accept responsibility for any errors. CASE PERMANENTLY CLOSED!!
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It is becoming a shame that some of us are no longer able to call a spade a spade. Even our straight-talking MeBiafran wrote:
quote:I however do think it is likely that our brother never got to make any donations. This is my inclination which if true could easily been handled by stating the reason behind non-donation after all it is not a levy therefore one retains the volition to either give or not.
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It stemmed from non reception of any monies from Nwa Aro at the same time the latter claimed that there was fraud of some sort which I’m almost sure was said out of recrimination just to piss chiboy off. And if this is the case, it was wrong since we can’t allow anyone to make bogus claims without substantiation. So, what do we do?
That is a round-about way of saying that Nwa Aro is a liar. Since Nwa Aro told this forum that he sent money, which he never sent, and he has failed to prove any of his outlandish assertions, it is time to tell him to shut his stupid mouth and stop insulting people who regularly stick their own necks out for Igbo people.
Right now, all that Nwa Aro is doing is pander to people he believes are from Arochukwu, calling them "my brother" this, and "ezigbo nwannem" that in the idiotic hope that those people would simply jump to his side without looking at his lies critically. You catch Nwa Aro in one lie, and he tells a new one in a New York minute. If Nwa Aro will not back his claims with verifiable evidence and he will not allow others to change the subject and move on, then people should continue to expose his stupidity and lies on these issues.
I can tell you that I don't know Chiboy. I have never met him, never spoken to him, and never written him privately. But, a few weeks ago this paranoid Nwa Aro clown accused me of being in Chiboy's "gang" just because I opened a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Nwa Aro or his lunacy.
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