He's someone who though sometimes says stuff that make somewhat of sense but in general does and says hurtful things against the name he bears. A good number see him as an
German way:
And to those that rightly or wrongly feel that I've been easy on our brother Nwa Aro, though I disagree, here's for them. A recent survey/poll concluded that among European nations, Slovenians are Europe's busiest people while Germans are the biggest loafers. This is according to European Union "time use" survey. It says Slovene come out of most industrious with their women busy 8 hours 47 minutes and men 7 hours 44 minutes. But German men and women spent the least amount of time working about 7 hours each day.
Question: How many hours are spent boozing? Do you guys work hard or hardly working?
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Quote: ------------------------------ "But German men and women spent the least amount of time working about 7 hours each day. How many hours are spent boozing? Do you guys work hard or hardly working?---MeBiafran. ------------------------------
MeBiafran: My brother, that was TOO hard! You caught me reeling on the floor. That was really funny. It's true that the Germans have surpassed the Brits and other European boozers at that habit as you opined. But truth is also we here in Germany work hard, eat well and travel (we have 36-day annual leave) more than other Europeans; and often we do it with OUR WIFES or girl/boy friends as the case may be.
How come the Germans are so lazy but still Germany is regarded as the "engine" of the European economy? It may also interest you to know that the Nwa Aros (the Germans) contribute more fund to the EU and the U.N. than both Britain, Italy and Spain combined do.
Old Boy, all play and no play makes jack a really dull, or should I say a bad boy. It seems as though you Americans have worked yourselves to the point that you cant sit to watch TV, read newspapers or watch the polls to see that your president has led you guys astray. Now I can understand why you Americans cant understand when "drunkards" like we Germans wonder question your sense of reasoning when you describe a character like Bush as your "hero"! Believe you me, even the most drunken German can make the difference between a polished Kerry from a hargard-looking Cow boy.
Hope we haven't derailed this thread. Anyway, the discussion about people who are not public officials but ordinary folks instead about ISSUES on this board is really getting BORING.
Your somewhat lighter side to this thread was a distraction worth the effort.
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quote: 090804 today: Governor's aide killed by mob From Aniete Akpan, Calabar THE policemen fled, rifles and all. They had not bargained for the brand of anger that flared in the eyes of their assailants. Now alone, and stripped of his security detail, Mr. Ishie Egbelo, special adviser to Governor Donald Duke of Cross River State, Abuja Liaison Office, pleaded with his rampaging kinsmen. But somehow, they did not understand his language anymore. Angry hands dislodged him` from the ambushed police vehicle. They descended on him. And for Egbelo, the whole world became a barrage of blows...
Personally this is how every and all political idiots ought to be treated. Be him Igbo, Awusa, Yoroba, Bini etc the moment nigerians take their fate in their own hands the faster things begin to shape up. I bet Calabar would remain calm for awhile. Full text.
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"...Folks: this is the situation. We are held captive as slaves by Nigeria and forced and chained and placed on the slave-deck of a burning and sinking, sick ship called, Nigeria. The fact that the ship is burning and sinking, alone, is enough motivation for any reasonable person--slave or not--to bail out; and in fact, major groups in Nigeria have their things all packed already, and stowed away in staked-out life-boats, ready to paddle off at the critical moment. As a people forced into and held in slavery on this ship, no one has a better incentive to escape from this moribund ship. We have already started our escape and departure process, with all the difficulty (more than) one can imagine in such a situation. Now, we have among us one like Dr. Okenwa Nwosu who is, at the moment, blocking our way with his arms spread out, saying: "Stop! Wait! Go back under! Let's debate this first!"; he is flanked by our Nigerian tormentors and enslavers whom he watches as they flog and shoot us with relish and for the sport of it, and he does nothing to stop our tormentors, and nothing to protect us either. He wants us to turn around and go back to the gallows-deck, lock our chain-cuffs and shackles to the posts and...? Debate? Talk? Meanwhile, our tormentors are too eager and too happy to show us that we are still their slaves. And, the ship takes on water by the minute..." --Oguchi Nkwocha, MD.
Mazi Peter Opara has now also confirmed what we all know: Dr. Okenwa Nwosu not only refuses to make his stand known regarding whether he is for Biafra-Biafra actualization or one-Nigeria, but always dances around the question, while his one-Nigeria leaning can only indirectly be culled from his own statements and actions. What is equally frustrating is that once placed on the spotlight on this, Dr. Okenwa Nwosu tries to spin his way out, using manipulations to attempt to re-direct the focus to something else.
Be aware that one of Dr. Okenwa Nwosu's tactics is the call for dialogue or debate or "to bring the rest of us to their [Biafra actualization supporters'] level of comprehension." I thank Mazi Opara for the most effective response to that. No one is wiser than Dr. Okenwa Nwosu in this matter--wiser enough to presume to bring Dr. Okenwa Nwosu to that "level of comprehension." The Doctor--and the rest--know the score too well. The salient point is that Dr. Okenwa Nwosu's idea of dialogue, or debate, or whatever, is suspect: all he really wants to do is to stop Biafra-Biafra actualization; his only interest is in preserving one-Nigeria, never mind that one-Nigeria is throttling the Igbo to death and annihilation. Today, Dr. Okenwa Nwosu has his well-funded "Osondu Foundation" to institutionalize his anti-Biafran actualization antics and programs.
Who fund Osondu Foundation, who sponsor it, and who the patrons are, are questions that we could be asking, but to what avail? Dr. Okenwa Nwosu would never come clean and tell us. All we can conclude now is that the pictures of Onitsha which Dr. Okenwa Nwosu posted on the Internet Forums and which shocked those who weren't already sensitized about the plight of our Biafran people in Nigeria (ironically, up till then, he was one of them) had the effect of making us think, for one moment there, that he had turned around and was now interested in the effective liberation of our people from such squalor. But, we now know that this is yet another step in typical Okenwa's dance of deception, a tact and style all his own, and which he himself has dubbed, with all pride, "Vintage Okenwa." With the pictures, Dr. Okenwa Nwosu drew people into Osondu Foundation, and only now are those persons finding out that Dr. Okenwa Nwosu's intent is to keep the Igbo in one-Nigeria, using the institutional power of Osondu Foundation where earlier and current personal efforts had flagged. But, Dr. Okenwa Nwosu cannot forget (and should not) that he has been told (not that a super-intelligent and capable man such as he is needs to be told anything): no solution for the problems of our people will ever work as long as we find ourselves in one-Nigeria in any permutation.
I also have to thank Mazi Opara once again because of his completely sound, correct and accurate response on the make-up of Biafra. Every member of Biafra of 1967 has a right and entitlement to belong to Biafra, and such a right is gladly honored. By the same token, each member has a right to opt out, and such an exercise is fully respected and fully honored, and would never be contested. Igbo alone, if it came to that, can and will be, and is Biafra, and we shall be none the worse for that--should it ever come to that. Now, those using this point of the make-up of Biafra as an excuse for anti-Biafran opinions and actions can spin off on this response as they wish; their excuse will no longer be that they are waiting for Nkwocha to provide an answer to that issue, as if other Biafrans did not have a sound answer to the question; and as if there was even any secrecy to this principled stand on the make-up of Biafra.
Folks: this is the situation. We are held captive as slaves by Nigeria and forced and chained and placed on the slave-deck of a burning and sinking, sick ship called, Nigeria. The fact that the ship is burning and sinking, alone, is enough motivation for any reasonable person--slave or not--to bail out; and in fact, major groups in Nigeria have their things all packed already, and stowed away in staked-out life-boats, ready to paddle off at the critical moment. As a people forced into and held in slavery on this ship, no one has a better incentive to escape from this moribund slave-ship. We have already started our escape and departure process, with all the difficulty (more than) one can imagine naturally in such a situation. Now, we have among us one like Dr. Okenwa Nwosu who is at the moment blocking our way with his arms spread out, saying: "Stop! Wait! Go back under! Let's debate this first!"; he is flanked by our Nigerian tormentors and enslavers whom he watches as they flog and shoot us with relish and for the sport of it, and he does nothing to stop our tormentors, and nothing to protect us either. He wants us to turn around and go back to the gallows-deck, lock our chain-cuffs and shackles to the posts and...? Debate? Talk? Meanwhile, our tormentors are too eager and too happy to show us that we are still their slaves. And, the ship takes on water by the minute...
You make up your own mind, if you still need to. I am Biafran: I go the Biafra way. I have no debate with one-Nigerianists because there is no common basis for debate. Life does not debate with Death, nor does Good debate with Evil. I do not have time for the antics and delaying tactics of one-Nigerianist, either. Our people, the people of Biafra, don't, either. We are off to Biafra where we belong. And, there, free at last, we will be talking and discussing and debating on issues of relevance to Biafra--Biafra actualization, and Biafra nation-building.
Biafra is the answer--was, is, and always will be.
Oguchi Nkwocha Nwa Biafra A Biafran Citizen.
From: peter opara [mailto:ogbuonyeiro@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:47 AM To: IgboOrgNYForum@yahoogroups.com; IgboEvents@yahoo.com; oguchi@mbay.net; odera_igbo@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [IgboOrgNY Forum] Reaction from OGUCHI NKWOCHA:on Okenwa,s + TOUCHY-FEELY & PENT-UP EMOTIONS
"Those who take rigid stance on sensitive political issues, like Biafra, Civil War and its outcome, obviously know what some of us don't. It is their onus, therefore, to bring the rest of us to their level of comprehension. Calling the likes of us "efulefus" and other derogatory names is sheer submission to the power of ignorance which is not the hallmark of visionary leadership. " - Okenwa Okenwa is a man for whom I developed a liking a while back, until he penned a comment that was brought to my attention - enmeshing himself in my running battle with Ubanese Nwanganga - a man whose mindset relative to Igbo core desires he - Okenwa shares.
Okenwa, a man of sound intellect, as Nwanganga, has overtime, in my opinion, danced on the periphery of matters related to Igbo core desires, never really taking a stand. During the war, such dancers were SABOs - pure and simple.
Just as Nkwocha indicated below that he had asked Okenwa to let people know where he stands on Biafra - this is the Igbo core desire to which I allude - I did demand as such from Okenwa at the time he remarked on my tussle with Nwanganga, to know what his position was, so I could address him appropriately.
I never heard from him, but each time I read him, he was preaching more for the buidling of Nigeria than those who benefit from the same Nigeria could ever preach. Thus, it was not difficult to know where Okenwa stood - like the man whose mindset he shares, he is for Igbo reintegration in Nigeria! Nigeria is it or nothing. Any talk about Biafra to him is sheer waste of time.
The point about Okenwa as afore could not be clearer given his statement above. I could not stop scratching my head after reading the above, especially Okenwa's call to those of us "who take rigid stance on Biafra...and the civil war" knowing something the likes of Okenwa do not know and for one like me to bring the Okenwas of the world to my "level of comprehension"!
What in the world could one like me teach Okenwa? What a convenient position for one to take amidst human tragedy - Igbo's? Is this not a clear case of one burying one's head in the sand and pretending all is honky dory..say for the heritage he claims..that incidentally catches every hell there is in Okenwa's beloved Nigeria that he preaches every chance he gets that Igbo must rebuild?
Not long ago, Okenwa treated all and sundry to photographs of the greater Onitsha terrain that is simply an eyesore. A fine piece followed - vintage Okenwa - looking at how the horrible Onitsha terrain could be remedied. I cannot tell if his piece mentioned the Niger Bridge. I mention Nigeria bridge because, perhaps from that point, Okenwa could note the beginging of the abject neglect meted to Igbo he wants to spearhead his Marshall Plan for Nigeria. How is the state of Igbo and their land? Did his photographs of Onitsha not make him think?
Okwnwa, the civil war for which you have not a rigid stance, the civil war for which you have a sissy stance continued past 1970! Nigeria is in a war against Igbo - the war is physical as well as psychological. You see the war on the state of roads and structures in Igbo land and you see the war by the siege laid on Igbo land by aliens and mercenaries maintained and encouraged by powers that be in Nigeria. Who in his right mind would look at a sworn Igbo enemy - Obasanjo - sitting at the mantle of power in Nigeria and think that there is no war against Nidiigbo?
Only the efulefu would; and Igbo is worse for it when the supposedly educated, the one that ought to know better assumes a stance that in contemporary Igbo reading is the stance of the efulefu - dancing on the periphery, pretending not to see what is and denying the obvious out of deliberate neglect meted out to a people.
Okenwa's demand to be brought up to speed on matters of core Igbo desire, I found most despicable; it is like asking his own child to educate him on something he knows, should know and understand better than him or her, simply because he does not want to own up to certain responsibility..a nice way to shirk responsibility for self seeking reasons, self serving reasons - if only in this instance.
Okenwa, I found, is a re political MD; he does recognize where the power to make or unmake him in his Nigeria lay. How political ambition has shaped his position regarding Igbo core desire is left for him to explain to us - it is clear to a clear observer that Okenwa for reasons of politics takes positions that are convenient and benefits his personal and public ambition - at the expense of his heritage. I cannot tell if he realizes this.
Ubanese Nwanganga's last outing was on the mark on its focus; he enumerated all of Igbo wahalas caused them - Igbo - by the powers that be - and that was fine by me. If he had done that and only that from the word go - without going to bat for an avowed Igbo enemy, I would have had no reason whatsoever to engage him for the length of time our engagement lasted.
Okenwa, you might just take the same route - showcasing Igbo terrain whose neglect riles many of us and cause us the rigid ones to want our freedom from neglect - freedom from neglect that we want, that makes no sense to you. Think about that.
Ps. for those who worry about what nations will constitute Biafra, that is as foolish as question as they come. I tell this guys that answers to their inane questions stare them in the face and still they cannot see it. Igbo is a nation of 40 million bubbling, efferverscent, creative, hardest working people posited by God on the continent of Africa for Christssakes! Let those who wnat to come with us come with us, else, Igbo can and will go it alone!!! This much is clear to the top most hierarchy of the evil entity called Nigeria, and now one has to explain this to one that deems oneself Igbo?
On that, I say, UmuIgbo bu ndi nnaha muru, bikonu, wepunu aka na nwo anyasi, na obalu ulu. Onyecho imata omata; onye achoro imata, oma mata.
Thanks for bringing this to my notice; do, cross-post my response.
One cannot accuse intelligent people of missing the point, no. Intelligent people know the point, but choose to use a slight of hand because they want to avoid the point. That is called "intellectual dishonesty."
Dr. Okenwa Nwosu has not told Ndigbo whether he stands for Biafra actualization or for one-Nigeria, although all his posts indicate the latter. For over 2 years or more, I have been asking him; we have been asking him. Just last week, Dr. Chinwike Oke-Nwosu asked him the same question point-blank, repeatedly, pressing for an answer and he has not been answered yet. Now, the same Dr. Okenwa Nwosu is implying that he and his group are waiting for me to define the make-up of what they call "Nkwocha's Biafra." Shame, for a shame, indeed. If the composition of whatever they mean by "Nkwocha's Biafra" is stated for them, will Dr. Okenwa Nwosu then tell Ndigbo where he stands: Biafra-Biafra actualization, or one-Nigeria; or will he still be dancing around the question as he is wont to when he is avoiding this critical question, as he tries to spin and shift focus ! to "Nkwocha's Biafra"?
The crassness of the term, "Nkwocha's Biafra" does not reflect ignorance on the part of the coiners and users: it is only a tool for intellectual dishonesty. A Biafran child old enough to have heard about Biafra knows that Biafra is not about any one individual. Since when did Biafra become a personal property of one person? Only since some persons opposed to Biafra and Biafra actualization tried to find a way to pin something to Biafra which they might attack and possibly destroy; in so doing, they hope to destroy that which they fear and oppose--Biafra--by proxy. Well, let them dream on. Biafra is not destroyable.
No one using the term, "Nkwocha's Biafra" deserves a response. When such a person comes clean and tells us that he is actually one-Nigerian and or anti-Biafra, then, we can square-up with him.
I stand for Biafra--always have, always will. Biafra is Biafra. There is no such thing as "Nkwocha's Biafra"--that is plain stupidity reflecting on the coiner(s) and users.
While Dr. Okenwa Nwosu claims that he is waiting for an answer from me, it's been almost a week since Obasanjo and Nigeria banned with immediate effect the business of auto parts import in Nigeria, which they and we all know is dominated by the Igbo. There are over a million Igbo now suffering the consequences. The least the Igbo intellectuals who love arguments could be doing is to at least examine the excuse and rationalization put forward by Obasanjo and his government in order to see the mockery of Ndigbo in it. Maybe that will help Igbo intellectuals stop the empty academic exercise at least; perhaps, they might even abandon one-Nigeria, and join Biafra actualization.
That is where the meat of the matter lies. That is the point, today, for the Igbo, for all Biafrans: support for Biafra actualization, which is the basic requirement to free Ndigbo and other Biafrans. It also happens to be the only effective weapon to deal with and defeat Nigeria. (Hint: what are Obasanjo and Nigeria afraid of--Igbo, whom they can wave aside any time, sack and dispossess without qualms, ban at will; OR "Biafra," whose utterance alone, even by a baby, gets Obasanjo and Nigeria all riled up, quaking and feeling threatened? It is really unfortunate that some obvious things have to be spelled out for those for whom Intelligence is a veritable trait!!!)
Biafra is the answer.
Oguchi Nkwocha, MD Nwa Biafra A Biafran Citizen.
From: Stan odera [mailto:odera_igbo@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:10 PM To: Dr Nkwocha Subject: CRoss posting +Re: OGUCHI NKWOCHA: TOUCHY-FEELY & PENT-UP EMOTIONS
I have no difficulty, whatsoever, relating to fellow Igbo who find aspects of my stance of issues unacceptable in the short run. I believe that, with further dialogue, areas of disagreement can be reconciled if we share same end goals for Ndiigbo. I take positions on issues based on strong convictions but also I am fully conscious of the possibility that the sensibilities of well meaning compatriots may be offended by so doing. I take constructive criticisms in good faith with the understanding that I could indeed be wrong when all is said and done. Those who take rigid stance on sensitive political issues, like Biafra, Civil War and its outcome, obviously know what some of us don't. It is their onus, therefore, to bring the rest of us to their level of comprehension. Calling the likes of us "efulefus" and other derogatory names is sheer submission to the power of ignorance which is not the hallmark of visionary leadership.
It takes courage to speak out on matters that seriously impact the well being and destiny of Ndiigbo even if such a conscientious disposition shall attract unwarranted personal attacks as has been the case in these Igbo forums. If we shy away from asking the probing questions out of fear, who shall ask them on our behalf when things deteriorate to the point of no return? Your quest to know if "Nkwocha's Biafra includes the Efiks and Ijaws, reluctant Biafrans, or does it only consist of Igbos" is germane. Some of us have repeatedly asked similar questions in the past but got no definitive answers. I hope that your luck may be better than ours this time around.
Okenwa.
----- Original Message ----- From: ozodiobi osuji To: Okenwa R. Nwosu, M.D. Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [excalibur] Re: OGUCHI NKWOCHA: TOUCHY-FEELY & PENT-UP EMOTIONS
I do not particularly like to get into the polemics of Biafra versus Nigeria. Oguchi Nkwocha once read a write up of mine and disgreed with its emphasis on seeking common grounds with all Nigerians and told me that only Biafra is the way to go. I chose not to respond for I really do not see the utility of resurrecting a dead horse. Does Nkwocha's Biafra includes the Efiks and Ijaws, reluctant Biafrans, or does it only consist of Igbos? Just curious.
It is in multiethnic countries that creativity and productivity seems to thrive. The jostling of the real federation or Conferation of Nigeria, indeed, for an African Federation; perhaps with each tribe as a state in it, but not separated from the federation.
I enjoyed reading this write up, although, at other times, I do not always agree with what you write. Good job.
Ozodi
”Does Nkwocha's Biafra includes the Efiks and Ijaws, reluctant Biafrans (?), or does it only consist of Igbos?"
Those reluctant Biafrans can exercise their right to divorce Biafra and move to a country of their choice. It couldn’t get simpler than that!
”Today, Dr. Okenwa Nwosu has his well-funded "Osondu Foundation" to institutionalize his anti-Biafran actualization antics and programs.”
How ironic for Dr Okenwa to name his money yielding Nigeria sponsored apparatus Osondu – life’s race yet remain vehemently against the Igbo who want to race out of a place that is putting them through strangulation? What does “Osondu” mean to him, does it have an Awusa or Yoroba spin? Does it not follow that for that word to mean a thing one have to have experienced something that caused him/her to take to his/her heels without looking back? Those agitating for Biafra or Igbo freedom from the part of the Igbo I come from are literally following the true translation of Dr Okenwa’s nigeria sponsored foundation name to abscond from danger that lurks all over the place, they’re in fact applying OSONDU, duh!
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