It's about time you got some balls and say it the way it is. He was indeed a hero. And when the news spread about the murder of this great African leader, I copied a letter of condolence to both Tom Ikime (the foreign minister) and Mariam Abacha. Although records now show he stole public money (all the nigerian rulers since 1970 have done even worse), I am willing to forgive him when I remember his guts. For one thing, he knew a foreign agent of economic subversion when he saw one, and made a good faith effort to get rid of olusegun obasanjo. Biafra/nigerians would have been speared the four-year old sufering, the incompetence and crudity of olusegun obasanjo, if he was allowed to get rid of the Yoruba crip.
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If he wants to make a fool of himself running for the selection in nigeria, that's entire his business. With grey hair all over him, he aught to know he should spend more time building up Biafra. It's his judgement call, although I question his wisdom. Too bad he still thinks he can change people who are deep-rooted in their backward ways.
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I think that it is a little too late for Mr. Ekwueme, those wimpers used him, sucked all the blood out of him and left him humiliated.
As far as I'm concerned he was and still is an Uncle Tom whose truth telling now is little late. Like Amadi O said he should just pack it in for any kind of position in that dead country nigeria, change his ways and work towards the actualization of Biafra. That is the only way history will be kind to him. Speaking about who is better between Abacha and Obasanjo will certainly not get it done.
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I will take Abacha any day over the ewu awusa called Obusonjo. At least Abacha is a bold thinjer and have some balls. Something we cannot say about Obasanjo.
Count me on record as picking Abacha tenfold over the master crook obusonjo.
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Abacha can only be a hero of the likes of Alex Ekwueme, as for Ndi Igbo, we know who our hero's are and we respect them; Abacha belongs to the dustbin of history like Obasanjo his compatriot in crime.
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Both Abacha and Obasanjo are pretty bad but if someone put a gun to my head, I will surely pick Abacha over Obasanjo.
Lets get serious, this thread is not who is better between Obasanjo and Abacha, it is in my view all about Ekwueme the MAN. Why is he speaking out now? Could it be that he has seen the light as it pertains to Obasanjo and PDP clearly reducing him to a NOBODY??
Can someone please help me explain why he is now speaking out????
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Folks, Since Biafra/Nigeria attained independence none of the past ruler/president can be reffered to as a hero. If Nigeria has had a hero, Biafra/nigeria would have been transformed into a modern state. The present suffering of the citizens will never have existed. All the past leaders including Obasanjo should be brought to trial for misruling the country. They should be made to account for the Billions of dollars that accrued to the country through the sale of crude oil. Biafra/ Nigeria has no hero, both living or dead. I don't know what people are talking about here.
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The man is in twilight zone created by himself! Before now, he had the illusions of becoming "President" and kept quiet while Igbo race was being decimated.
Although belatedly, reality has settled in. Just like the rest of his generation, his come to terms that the his life time dream of ascending to the throne is all but gone.
He should quietly go back to managing the only loot of his hey day...Okoh Prison yard!
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Hmmm, after reading yours my brother I hereby take back my pick. You right no 'hero' existed “dead or alive” in that confusion since independence though I'll follow NwaBiafra's tread if a gun is also put to my head since I'm not willing to die for nigeria.
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Umunna, We should sympathize with Ekwueme, His problem was, he didn't understand he was sleeping with the enemy. He forgot there is a conspiracy against Ndi-Igbo in NIgeria. He played into their hands, after all PDP was his brain child. My advice to all of us, is that we must use Ekwwueme's treatment as a guiding experience. Never leave yourself unguarded when dealing with other Nigerians. They can not be trusted. This is the reality of the situation, as long as you an Igbo, they see you as a threat.
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All, The issue should not be confused. When people say that Abacha was a 'hero' (by Nigerian standard) they're not saying that Abacha was/is an ideal leader were Nigeria to be a NORMAL country. What most of these people (Nwa Aro included) are saying is that the likes of Obasanjo who had and still has the opportunity to make a difference HAVE FAILED WOEFULLY.
As we Igbos say, " a woman that gets married twice will at the end of both choose which of them was for real."
The case I guess Alex Ekwueme was making is not that Abacha is a good man perse. Rather what I understand Ekwueme meaning IN GENERAL is that when compared to the present Nigerian president, Abacha is A HERO. I guess this point has been made severally by most members of this forum at the 'IBB the Thief' thread.
For Gods sake, for all his follies, Abacha was a military dictator who imposed himself on the hapless Nigerian people. But on the other hand, Obasanjo is someone who was elected (or selected if you want) by the same Nigerian masses to represent them IN A DEMOCRACY. So in measuring both men, ie, Obasanjo against Abacha, we must remember that the former was suppose to be the mouthpiece of a FREE Nigeria, while the latter was NEVER voted by anyone to represent anyone. So looking back in retrospect, when compared to Obasanjo the so-called Messiah, Abacha the all-round dictator IS A HERO. I'm sure ordinary Nigerians who lived in Nigeria of both men (Abacah and Obasanjo) will agree with Ekwueme.
On Ekwueme: Though some on this board have made it a hobby to attack THE PERSON of Ekwueme (nothing wrong if one disagree with his politics), truth is that hate him or like him, Ekwueme THE PERSON is a GOOD man made bad by the very lob-sided Nigerian system. It it same system that keeps very good people like Ojukwu down whenever they try to make a political headway. So at the risk of being labelled an "enemy" by some INTERNET PAPER TIGERS who think they know all the ills and solutions to Igbo problem, I posit that EKWUEME IS A GOOD MAN AND WITH A LOT OF CHARACTER TO GO WITH IT. To disagree with someone's views (political and otherwise) is one thing but to make him look bad because you disagree with him/her is another thing altogether. Hope those who can use their commonsense to make this difference will understand where I am coming from and why it is necessary we stay focused ON THE ISSUES.
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quote: Hope those who can use their commonsense to make this difference will understand where I am coming from and why it is necessary we stay focused ON THE ISSUES.
Anyone who disagrees with the above surely has a common sense deficiency. I concur with yours even as I am one of those who are upset with him for not putting one and two together during the fermentation of PDP, even me the rookie saw it coming it was during the time I lived there briefly. I work with his niece I almost became part of the family, you right he's a good fella with a clueless disease.
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The man who killed thousands of his citizens, he was meant to protect, a schizor, the man who became a millonaire with money meant to feed the common man,the man who knew not what freedom and equality meant, the man who rules from the barrel of the gun, the man who declared himself President for life, a married man who was the country's moral model died on top and while having sex with a whore is both a hero and a nationalist. I guess, Obasanjo merit the title, God sent, a savior, actually. I will be damned.
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I totally disagree with you, Ekwueme is no good man as you want us to belive, the man Ekwueme, had always been anti Igbo with his kind of politics, even without regard to all the support he has recieved from NdiIgbo in all his political life, one will be tempted to say that he is blinded by his selfishness and ambition.
There is a saying in Igboland that said "ana esi na uno malumma pua na ilo" (meaning that one should first be good at home before the outsiders should consider you good), if Alex Ekwueme thought that he will become Nigerian president by keeping silent while every Igboman becomes a pauper, he was wrong and is still wrong, those that he thought will crown him king sees him as a good for nothing, the very reason, Obasanjo who is a known coward has no slightest regard for him; in other words, those he hope to make him king sees him as a non issue.
Until Ekwueme and his likes denounce Nigeria and embrace biafra, Abacha will continue to be their hero.
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When you compare olusegun obasanjo and Abacha, I still call Abacha a hero. This does not mean he stands on the same plank of heroes as Aguiyi Ironsi, the first African that had the confidence of the world to command a multi-national force in the Congo during the '60s, or the greatest hero of them all, Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, for saving Biafrans from genocide.
NwaBiafra said it right: real heroes cannot be found in nigeria among the Yoruba/Hausa rulers. But with a gun in my head, I will call Abacha a hero compared to the rest. He was firm and confident; I regret he could not rid blacks of the crip olusegun obasanjo.
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If Abacha is hero, all those murderous heads of states in Africa including the adopted son of Nigeria Charles Taylor are heroes.
While the civilized world is about to set a precedence that could be used to convict those African thugs even in postmortem, Ekwuema is calling one of them hero!
To me, none of them come close to being heroic in deeds or otherwise. I guess good judgment is not one of Ekwueme’s good character treat, or good manism.
Let me say that for some reason our so called leaders refuses to see the key to a civil society. Its important to hold people accountable for their actions at all levels. In a society where you cannot be accountable to anyone, anything goes, no regard for the law, people get killed and killers are called heroes!
Assuming Babangida is selected in 07, I bet we all will be back here debating his heroic (murderous) acts in comparison to Obusonjos.
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None of these men are heros. Any person trusted with authority and who functions under the color of law and tampers with the right of the people to express themselves and gather in assembly should not be considered a hero. Obasanjo or Abacha do not merit the definition of a hero. They both killed, sanctioned or aware of the killing of unarmed people while in their watch and took no measures to condem it. Ekwueme is only romanticizing Abacha and the desert rats in spite of Obasanjo because he feels betrayed in the last election. It is sane to say that Ekwueme was being controled by his anger to affect his thought process. I am disappointed by the application of the term hero and qualification of it by him. Abacha never believed in human right and had a strange relationship with democracy before he died in the hands of a prostitute.Ekwueme should channel his anger to a proper channel and quit making a stooge of himself.
Hail Biafra
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I'm looking for a way to say that Abacha is much more of a man than olusegun obasanjo. Although he was a typical African "strong man" - less crude than this Yoruba coward - he brought confidence to his office. One could feel that he understood the buck stopped on his desk - not in the Sokoto caliphate or "Yandon" - as is currently the case under the cowardly pretence of Yoruba "shofisticated politics and diplomacy." In other words, he governed the country like he was in charge and not intimidated by interests in the north or outside.
The problem with olusegun obasanjo is that he is an agent of foreign interests, a "coward in northern nigeria", and likes to take orders from the outside simply to save his neck. And so he does not command the confidence or respect of anyone.
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quote:To disagree with someone's views (political and otherwise) is one thing but to make him look bad because you disagree with him/her is another thing altogether. Hope those who can use their commonsense to make this difference will understand where I am coming from and why it is necessary we stay focused ON THE ISSUES.
--Nwa Aro
Nwa-Aro, I hope you will not be harmstrung to apply the same benefits to the likes of Obafemi Awolowo (the best President Nigeria never had) who one prominent Igbo commentator in a rare moment of truth has this to say about: "He(Ogunlewe,Works Minister)should strive to become the best Works Minister Nigeria ever had, just as his colleague, Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala is already emerging as the best Finance Minister Nigeria ever had since Chief Obafemi Awolowo during the war" and Adekunle Fajuyi, who though tribe and tongue differ, in brotherhood he stood.? Regardless of what Chiboy and others of his ilk may think of you, i still hold it in truism that you remian one of the more sensible contributors to public discourse on this board. I believe that most of us American commentators have a lot to learn from you guys in Europe, learning to disgree without being disagreeable and holding firm the principles of passionable presentation devoid of unneccesary irredentism, quid pro quo : public writing etiquette. Little wonder most of the good ones have gone away, in gentle admonition, leaving the bandwith to the likes of UBiafran-- who clearly see himself as the Great White Hope for Biafran equivocation and the instigator-in-chief, Amadi O.
You can cry till the cows come home, Awo will always be seen for what he was, an opportunistic coward and the epitome of tribalism. He never was a good finance minister, there were no sound economic policies instituted by him to support such a claim. BiafraNigeria simply ran into money and the boy scout Gowon claimed not to know what to do with it. One thing we know Awo did was steal the land at Maroko.
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I just don't understand what people are arguing about here. Maybe the Abacha that is being referenced here is not the same Abacha that once sat at the rudder of the ship called Nigeria between 1994 and 1998.
That Abacha was a thieving murderous rogue. Simple and short. Have we become so confused that we don't know what real leadership is anymore?
I am not terribly surprised. They say that people deserve the leaders they get. Is it any wonder that with the passage of time, people are now telling us that Abacha was a hero? Out of sight and sound is out of mind. Give it some time, eventually people will come out to declare that Abacha, IBB and all the other imbeciles that have been running the country to the ground were really saints. And you dare wonder why we keep returning glorified neanderthals to office?
quote:Little wonder most of the good ones have gone away, in gentle admonition, leaving the bandwith to the likes of UBiafran-- who clearly see himself as the Great White Hope for Biafran equivocation and the instigator-in-chief, Amadi O. – addy
A deductive thinker which I am sure my brother Nwa Aro is would swiftly see through your scribble, your usual so please don't lay your subliminal insult on him. The more NONESENSE you jot the more diminished the little, very minuscule respect some mistakenly extended to you becomes. Tell us about your origin, will you? Your knack to avoid important issues has become so boring sometimes I kinda feel like avoiding you but wait, I’m here to stay to continue the exposure of your miserable and bogus origin. “Oduduwa landed from heaven in chain links.” – said your Ooni yet all entreaties to draw you from your cave to explain this yoruba phenomenon is stonewalled. I’ll be damned if the Nwa Aro I know so far succumbs to your baby lure, as no amount of fake praises akin to the yoruba would entice him to forget your numerous summersaults regarding Nwa Aro’s home country… BIAFRA on this board. Only a mental dwarf would on one hand insult an institution one (Nwa Aro) holds so dear then on the other leprous hand wave a phony ‘friendly’ wand you better believe inasmuch as he might attempt a diplomatic reply to yours he might equally ignore you I suggest he do the latter. Why not?
quote:learning to disgree without being disagreeable and holding firm the principles of passionable presentation devoid of unneccesary irredentism, quid pro quo : public writing etiquette.
Didn’t someone inform this yoruba traitor that MeBiafran does not believe in ”going along to get along?” How many times does one gets “burned” by the yoruba traitors before common sense and logic overtakes the unnecessary sentimental rhetoric the yoruba would want us to practice? Forget it! You and your co-travelers in sin will never understand why we, the Igbo, hold such mistrust for you guys. Since there are no visible changes in the horizon my BIAFRAN-AMERICAN constitutional guarantees to freedom of rebuttal and exposure will therefore remain enforced. Clear?
May I then refer you to our little tete-a-tete posted June 22, 2004 04:52 PM, to refresh your thought process which would hopefully expose the real addy to Nwa Aro.
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Those Igbo who continue to argue against Abacha's politics are simply victims of the crude Yoruba propaganda press. No right thinking Igbo/Biafran would fail to notice that the real Igbo enemy in Biafranigeria is no other than the Yoruba. They are the ones that have continued to sabotage every effort by Biafrans/Igbo to level the playing ground for all.
It's time to quit bashing Abacha, unless it's about stealing public money. __________________________________________________
Nwannaa,
It has always been a known fact that Emmanuel Ifeajuna was the leader of the coup. This is not revisionism.
Ifeajuna, a graduate of Ibadan University and some Igbo soldiers came under the influence of the Yoruba and their pirate confranternity etc. They were conned into staging a coup to install Mr Awolowo who posed as a "socialist" at a time when socialism was in vogue among African soldiers and intellectuals. I read somwhere that when the war ended, Nzeogwu the leader of the coup in the north who stole the lime light from coup leader Ifeajuna was rewarded with the naming of a street and the erection of his statue at Ikenne, Ogun State, the home of Tai Solarin, a Yoruba activist. Nzeogwu had inded saved the Yoruba from certain defeat in the hands of their Hausa mortal enemies. The rest is history.
Postscript: Three decades later, Gen Abacha broke away from the Hausa-Yoruba-minorities alliance which was anti-Igbo by definition. He incacerated the key players in the alliance and sought a complete re-alignment of forces in nigeria. He sent olive branches and signals to Ndiigbo about his intentions. What did Ndiigbo do?
They completely and utterly rejected Abacha's gestures, turned around and facilitated the return of obasanjo who quickly re-established the Hausa/Yoruba alliance which is rulling nigeria again today. So where is the much-vaunted Igbo inteligence? Zilch!
Mz Ani
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