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The stage is set for the November showdown for the White House between President George Bush Jr. and Senator John Kerry. What does it really matter to Biafrans or even Nigerians who occupies the White House? It is clear that Obasanjo enjoyed the same support from Clinton as he is enjoying from Bush. Clinton looked the other way when Obasanjo committed atrocities in Odi and Okigwe. Now, Bush is helping Obasanjo to consolidate his grip of the oil in Biafra, as Cheney's Haliburton makes huge investments in our oil, while the Bush Administration all along allies itself with the Taliban in northern BiafraNigeria as they crush the Ijaw resistance. What portion have we in Kerry, or what have we in the house of Bush?
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When it comes to wielding influence with the US government, the questions are yours to answer.
A. What do you want?
B. Are you prepared to lobby for what you want and are you able to show the Americans that you can deliver better than the other guy? if not,
C. Do you have the means to demonstrate that the failure of the US to support you will throw into jeopardy an interest that the US has in your country?
D. Do you have access to those in the US who share your interests and who have influence with the government Democratic or Republican?
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What is the real reason that Dick Cheney fired his doctor? Sources indicate that Cheney fired his doctor because the Dr. indicated that Cheney's health is so bad that it makes him unfit to be a heart-beat away from the presidency. I was very suspicious of the way Bush-Cheney rushed rumors about the doctor to the press.
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Quote: ---------------------------- "What portion have we in Kerry, or what have we in the house of Bush?"---Ojukwu. ----------------------------
Ojukwu: As someone who also passionately participated in these very divisive debates (on Iraq,) I guess it is time I let everyone know that, I, Nwa Aro did not take the anti-Bush position I took and still do because I think Kerry will "give" Nd'Igbo "freedom" as some naively argure on this board. As a political novice that I am (or some think I am,) I still nonetheless know that freedom like every other thing in life IS NOT FREE NOR WILL ONE GET IT FREELY. History tells me that any person or group of persons that want long-lasting freedom MUST FIGHT FOR IT. For as the saying goes, "power conceeds nothing than demand". To this end therefor, I will give my detailed opinion, call it a ROAD-MAP, as to what we Igbos ought to do before confronting anyone (foreign or local) for the much needed and talked foreign assistance.
I have decided to put this article in the public domain because I think its time we OPENLY discuss the peripherial issue of how to go about freeing ourselves from the hole called Nigeria in a manner where ideas not persons are discussed. I also think it is important we talk over this issue IN THE OPEN because to do otherwise will make it look as a secret cult business. More importantly, since this is a matter that concerns ALL Igbos, it is necessary that we talk about it in the open (the nitty-gritty details can be discussed in private) so that every Igbo who is interested for a change at home get to know WHO, HOW and WHERE he/she is being led to. Because when the mortars starts falling (should it come to that) it will not fall on only the village of those who claim to be owners of the six-letter word - Biafra - but it will surely fall on the roof of every houshold in Igboland; just as it did between 1967 to 1970.
To start with, let me first and formost say that for we Igbos (as others before us did) to succeed as a people in any venture we undertake, be it the elusive and deceptive 'Igbo Presidency project' or 'Biafra Republic,' we must as a matter of principle put THE IGBO PEOPLE at the core, everything else can follow thereafter.
Here are what I think we (Igbos) have to do before approaching anyone for foreign assistance:
Step I - WHAT AND WHO IS A BIAFRAN?
Its unfortunate that every time this very important question is discussed, the debate often turns into a battle at which name-calling and shouting becomes the order of the day. Hence in a hurry to burry this very important question under the carpet, we end up with the type of VALID but lingering question Fumi asked, ie, WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT? Believe it or not, most sidon-look Igbos are also asking same question.
In answering the "What" of the above question, I dont mean to reduce this debate to another ridiculous level as the Bini fella did when he FOOLISHLY asked, "what is the literal meaning of Biafra." What I mean in this case is WHAT do we have in mind when we talk of a 'Biafra Republic'. Put simply, where does the proposed entity start and end? Must the proposed the Biafra Republic include (I think it can but MUST NOT) the Ibibios, Effiks, Annags, Ijaws, Itsekiris etc, etc? If that is the plan of the strategists of the Biafran project, then my question is: has the PEOPLE from this areas (we must disregard what one, two, three or even more Diasporans from these areaa tell us) agreed to form a separate entity with Ndigbo? I ask this question because if my experiance from raised and schooled (in Port Harcourt, Rivers State) and worked temporarily (in Yenegoa, Bayelsa State) amogst these southern minorities is anything to go by, then I can say without any fear of contradiction that those people DO NOT want to have anything politically with us. Infact, it will be an understatement if I posit here that the people from the Niger Delta still loath and fear we Igbos (coming from our history in the defunct Eastern Region) more than even the Yorubas did/does. That beside, I think its just absurd for us (Igbos) to tie our political destiny on the oprone of any other ethnic group, no matter how geographically close or lingualistically similar the Ndigbo are to the ethnic group, or vice-versa. We Igbos can and should fight for our rights SEPARATELY. But if any other ethnic group(s) decides to join us as we proceed, then it should be BY CHOICE and not by force as we seem to be doing presently. It is for this reason then that I suggest we use the phrase "IGBO FREEDOM" at this nurturing stage than talking of a forced all-inclusive and FORCED Biafra Republic; which may look to those minorities as though its another Nigeria whereby people were forced into a sort of mariage of convinience WITHOUT their mutual concent nor formal approval. It therefor follow that to "ACTUALIZE AN IGBO STATE" (the name may come latter) is a more appropriate phrase to use. Moreover, this phrase MAKES MORE SENSE TO BOTH THE IGBOS AND THE NONE IGBOS ALIKE.
Step II - LEADERSHIP:
One of the drawbacks with the present Biafran campaign is that all the bodies that claim to speak for the Igbos are sadly UNELECTED and speak with discotant voices. This vacuum has created an environment whereby every dick and harry claims to be a "leader" of the Biafran movement! To makae the struggle look like a serious business and something to be taken serious by any peron of worth, there must be a forum/conference where Igbos from home and the Diaspora are invited and an all-inclusive meeting held at which bonafide leaders are chosen through a trasperant ELECTION. The leadership should be decentralized, both on regional and residencial base. By this I mean that there must be a leader representing Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas and ofcourse Igboland. Those who wish to lead the Igbos through this channel ought to have among others the financial prudency and trasperancy of an Allen Greenspan, the charm and charisma of a Bill Clinton, the firmness and steadfastness of a Mandela and the oratory skill of an Ojukwu.
Step III - ENLIGHTENMENT AND GRASS-ROOT SUPPORT:
After the two afore-mentioned steps ghas been done and seen to have been done, then the campaign to tell the Igbos why we should leave Nigeria and go into another entity. It is when those at home and in diaspora see the type of ELECTED leaders that are talking to them will they give their message a hearing. If one look at the problem facing the Biafran struggle as it is presently fought, any sincere person will agree with me that the main reason it has so far not resonated with ordinary Igbos in the towns and village of Ala-Igbo Igbo is because the struggle has been more or less an elite-to-elite affair. In some case, some those claiming to head the struggle are mostly people who have not made any impact - physical or otherwise- in their respective communities back home. who will listen to say a man who has not done anything tangible for his community in Nigeria of today when he/she talk of a yet to be seen 'Biafra Republic'? Without refering to anyone or group of person here, I say that IT IS ONLY WHEN PEOPLE WHO ACT AND SPEAK IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE HEAD THE STRUGGLE WILL IT PICK STEAM ON THE GROUND IN ALA-IGBO.
Step IV- LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE:
As I said at the beginning of this article, it is ONLY when we have been able to put our Igbo house in order can we go to ask for help from outside. The said help must surely come in two folds, the localised and the foreign. - The local angle will come in the shape of intelligence gathering. That is, planting people in say Aso-Rock and other government establishments that will report to our ELECTED leaders on how the day-to-day government of Nigeria are run..It will also shep more light how truly weak or strong the Obasanjos and their army, navy, airforce, plolice and other para-miltary forces are. This will be needed should in case the Igbos (through their elected leaders) decide to take up arms against Nigeria in the future. It is only when you know how strong or otherwise your enemy(ies) is/are can you be able to know the type of foreign assistance is required to defeat them.
On the issue of foreign support/assistance and recognition, I propose that our effort and campaign be extended to include Europe, namely, Germany, France, Britain and other influential nations on this side of the Atlantic. Because when we take the CHAOS we have been witnessing in Iraq since the Americans invaded there and contrast it with the relative calm there is in Afghanistan, we will be forced to conceed that the world of the 21st century needs more MULTI-LATERALISM than it needs any form unilateralism, no matter how powerful the nation concerned may be. The challenge that will face our ELECTED leaders after the above-mentioned steps must have been taken will be for the our European representative to take the Igbo cause to the powers that be in say Germany, France, etc. While the Asian, African and other representaives simontanously do same in their respective areas. It is at this juncture that the American-based ELECTED leader (I keep hitting at this point) will then approach either Kerry or Bush (depending on who finally wins in November) for the much needed American assistance. There's no doubt that it is when these multi-dimensional approach and results are pooled together will both our enemies at home and and friends in overseas acknowlede that we indeed have the much talked about "international support". IN A NUTSHELL, ANY ATTEMPT TO APPROACH ANY FOREIGN LEADER AT THIS STAGE WITHOUT THE AFORE-MENTIONED STEPS TAKEN, OR TO AMERICANIZE THE IGBO STUGGLE IN THE LONG TERM WILL FAIL AS IRAQ IS FAILING.
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For one thing, I agree with you that a name change is necessary for now. That is, replace Biafra republic with Igbo Freedom until freedom is achieved and it can revert to Biafra.
On another segment, arms struggle to actualize Igbo Freedom should not be an option at all.
The short cut to freedom of Igbos and others seeking self determination is through the SNC now being canvassed. Obasanjo knows that and that's why he has vehemently opposed it. SNC is capable of bulcanizing Nigeria. Every region will take some demands to the table that may not appeal to others. So, what happens? Revolution? Nobody knows.
With a weak center and more power to the federating units and of course, resouce control, I think, everybody will be fine.
Remember, resouce control means that pipeline to Ugu-Hausa will be shut off.
A successful Igbo freedom will empower and strenghten the Igbo speaking minorities in Delta State. If the capital of Delta State were to be located in Warri, these Igbo minorities should have been a forgotten people in Nigeria. IBB saw it and located the capital at Asaba. So, whenever you talk of Igbo Freedom, remember that whatever you do will impact these Igbo speaking minorites very close to you.
Finally, with American economy driven by oil, no American President (Democrat or Republican) would venture into what I've been reading on these boards. If there is going to be war in Nigeria, whoever fights to defend oil will win. Afterall, Gowon and Nigeia aided by foreign powers took up arms to defend oil. Gowon backed out from Aburi Accord, when he was told that he has given up oil.
Anyway, let's see what SNC will deliver if and when convened and referendum passed.
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Quote: ------------------------------------------ "On another segment, arms struggle to actualize Igbo Freedom should not be an option at all."---Rick. --------------------------------------
Rick: Though not an option I would recommend or support at this jucture, I however think that the arms option should not be ruled out completely as you opined. If you recollect very well, even Mandela of South Africa at a point of their peaceful struggle against Apatheid did contemplate the option of violence. It was in this line that he went to China to go training in guarilla warfare. That said, I still hold that before the option of violence is either contemplated or carried out, every PEACEFUL effort (including through the SNC) should be exhausted by Ndigbo. In as much I agree with you on the SNC option being exploited by those at home, I still nonetheless believe that those of us from abroad have a stake as to how and where we get to that conference. In other words, EVERY Igbo man and woman should be directly and indirectly involved. One thing we Igbos cannott afford is to leave our collective destiny in the hands of a few chosen in the Diaspora, or to those greedy and confused econo-politicians presently bestriding the Igbo landscape.
Quote: --------------------------------------- "Finally, with American economy driven by oil, no American President (Democrat or Republican) would venture into what I've been reading on these boards. If there is going to be war in Nigeria, whoever fights to defend oil will win.---Rick. -------------------------------------
Here I agree 100% with you. What those who argue in favour of Bush (I have dealt with those that argue for Kerry in my last post) do not seem to grasp is that whoever or which ever party that occupies the White House after November will still maintain an American foreign polcy that has NOTHING to do with religion or colour but has everything to do with ECONOMIC INTEREST. And with the abundance of black gold in Nigeria, I simply dont see how either Bush or Kerry will go after Obasanjo against the oil that is in abundance in the Niger Delta and Igbo-speaking part of Nigeria. Another argument that stands on its tail from the Bush camp is this notion to compare their Biafran struggle to what is hapenning in either Iraq, Afghanistan or even Sudan. Lets take some examples:
IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN: It is on record that the Chalabis that made the Americans get involved in Iraq DID NOT argue for SEPARATION from the Iraqi nation as we Igbos do with Nigeria. If past experience of America's involvement in international conflicts is anything to go by, then you can bet that the Bushes would have prefered to have Saddam die in power and be succeed by any of his sons and daughters thereafter than to get Iraq balkanized. So the only day the Biafran campaigners can compare American involvment in Iraq is ONLY when we see the Americans PERSONALLY get involved in fighting with/for the Kurds of Iraq or those of Turkey that also want out of the two countires like the Igbos of Nigeria want out from the Nigerian state.
LIBERIA: We are all witnesses to what happened in that country. Though it is true that Bill Clinton did not do much during his tenure as president; same can also be said of father Bush before him. Lets not forget that that conflict actually started in the early 90s but Bush senior ignored it and rather concentrated on Iraq where there was oil. Even the intervention the Bush apologists talk of was not an actual American involvement in the sense of sending troops there to fight on the streets of Liberia. The troops that did the PHYSICAL fighting were West African troops (ECOMOG and later ECOMIL,) which was made up of mostly Nigerian soldiers. Its on record that when Bush sent tropps to Liberia, they stayed offschore while the actual fighting was raging between the warring factions and the West African soldiers caught in the middle. When the Americans finally landed in Monrovia, it was to first evacuate their nationals and to protect their Embassy in Monrovia. If I may ask the Bush camp, could they tell us how many American soldiers died in Liberia? Though statistics are hard to come by, I personally know Igbo families (one being a former school mate) that lost their sons in Liberia. We all know that if there was OIL in Liberia, we can guess what the Americans would have done at first instance.
SUDAN: Here again it seems the religious guys want to make cheap points. But again those Africans being killed by their fellow Arab country men are NOT christians. They are indeed muslims like the Arabs that go after them. The question begging for answers once again is WHY DID IT TAKE THIS LONG FOR THE U.S. TO GET INVOLVED IN SUDAN? We all know that the original Sudan conflict between the christian/African south and northern muslims/Arabs has been going on FOR DECADES. Infact, it is probable Africa's longest civil conflict. We can therefor count how many American Presidents (Republican and Democrats) that have come and gone without doing anything about it. Where then is the "christian phylosophy" in the American foreign politics that the Bush apologists talk of? One does not need to be a holder of a Noblel Prize in political science figure out why the West (Americans included) did not give a damn to what happened to the christians of southern Sudan. The main reason being that there is oil in christian southern Sudan (like it is in southern Nigeria) and the Arab/muslim central Sudannes government was dishing it out to the Americans as Obasanjo is doing with Nigeria's oil. The Americans must have reasoned (as they are oft to do) so why bother what happens to their fellow so-called christians in southern Sudan, whereas there is enough oil coming from Kartoum?
Why I dealt with those above instances which has been raised in other threads is becuase if those who hold the lame believe that being a 'christian' will by itself (there must be other more convincing reasons) will get the SELFISH American government or any western government for that matter to die for them, then they are making the GREATEST mistake of their lives. The WINNING rule is that while you (the Igbos) are lobbing for assistance, we should be ready and prepared to fight for ours and our peoples freedom BY OURSELVES. Anyone who is not ready to die for others to live should simply quit talking of "freedom." I repeat, FREEDOM IS NOT A "GIFT" GIVEN AS A GOOD FATHER SHARES CANDIES TO HIS DESIROUS KIDS!
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Nwa-Aro, Thanks alot for this posting. Your suggestion is exactly my thinking on how our freedom can be achieved. You did elaborate in detail the road map needed to get out of the bondage we found ourselves in Nigeria.
Your suggestion is good and make a great deal of sense. No dought oil is a big factor in getting the attention of the (West) America in particular. Why do you think they suddenly left Obasanjo and his cohorts and looked the other way, when America came close to sanctioning Nigeria awhile ago. I suggest you e-mail this posting to groups like EKWE-NCHE, WIC, IGBONET, BIAFRANET, just to mention a few. As many Igbo orgnization you can remember for their info.
Let me add that the Suddanese situation was brought to the attention of the American government by the christain group in America,my local church did send people to suddan and they came back with horrifying stories, so were other churches. The group for the struggle of Igbo freedom must not alienate it self from the christain community of the world. The 700 club in America show lots of interest in christain communities under oppression all over the world.
Igbos in Ngeria are sick and tired of the so-called nigeria and are asking for their freedom from NIgeria. It is only a few Igbos who are gaining from OBJ'S corrupt government that are quiet about the Igbo freedom. Don't forget, it is only Igbos outside nigeria that can bring about this freedom.
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Rick & Njoku: Thnak you guys for your kind words.
Njoku, though I am certain that people from those organizations you metioned do regularly visit this Messageboard, I will nonetheless surely mail the two mails you just read and other mails I have with me to them. To be honest, the two mails you read above are just a part of a Memorandum I and some well-meaning Igbos in a pro-Igbo organization we formed three years ago based here in Germany compiled a couple of months ago to be delivered at the recently held pro-Biafra/Igbo conference that took place in the central German town of Düsselldorf. But as everything held by these folks often turns out, I was surprised to learn from the delegation my organization sent to represent us and deliver the said document (I was out of Germany then) later reported that they were aked to pay "gate fee" at the hotel where the conference was held. Not that it is a bad idea to ask for money to recoup any expenses the organizers must have incured (I have already said that NOTHING IS FREE,) but to make it a perequisite for entering the hall and IN THE OPEN was just as embarrassing to those affected as it portrayed the Igbo people to our German hosts as people who love money more than themselves. To worsen matters, when members of my organization did pay their way into the hall, they were forced to leave the conference room before the event proper could even start because most of those who spoke at the pre-opening speech seems to have come to Germany to just bash and insult the person of Dim Ojukwu. It was so nauseating that most of the German-based individuals and organizations that went there were forced to leave without making any contribution at the meeting. Members of my organization who went to represent us at the meeting came back so disappointed and distrauted and reported two weeks later at our monthly meeting that, "those people (the organizers of the Düssseldorf Conference) are not serious." When you take this sad experience (there has been many) and compare it to what has been happening on this board and elswhere Igbos are assembled, one cannot help than ask: why is it that our people cannot assemble to DISCUSS IDEAS instead of person/s and money? It is for this and other reasons that I think it's time we start talking about this menace IN THE OPEN and push to get ELECTED (it must be a trasparent election) those who will speak/represent Nd'Igbo at any fora in future. At least we will ask them certain questions before electing them.
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Ugali: Is there any crime in dreaming? You bet many doubting Thomases like you would have had same PESSIMISTIC words for Martin Luther King when he made the "I have a dream!" speech But see where the 'Dreamer' (Dr. King) brought his country and by that his black brothers and sisters, which by the way include economic refugees like you.
I dont blame you though, after all, Nigeria is a country where dreams and dreamers died off long ago. But be sure that the Nwa Aros in Nigeria and in the Diaspora will be vindicated one day. Nothing GOOD comes easy or quick you know. For your information, just like Dr. king said in the 60s, I, Nwa Aro say in the year of our Lord 2004 that; I HAVE A DREAM FOR THE IGBO PEOPLE AND NATION BEING FREE FROM ANY BONDAGE SOMEDAY!! Let he/she who believes say a loud "Amen!" to that.
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I find it very strange that you failed to attend a conference held in Germany (your base) by people you describe as "well-meaning Igbos in a pro-Igbo organization." But, you have the nerve to talk about people who attended the 2001 Washington gathering, which many of us who attended, including Dim Ojukwu, later discovered was a 419 orchestrated by BF/Ekwe Nche. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Do you think that those people who make the time to attend those conference don't know how to come up with a reason to be "out of town" the weekend of the conference? If you had made the time to particpate actively, you would have known that Ekwe Nche is nothing but an anti-Ojukwu and anti-MASSOB group. Many of those anti-Ojukwu comments you are talking about were made by the representative of Ekwe Nche at the Düsselldorf gathering.
I am sick and tired of people like you, who never want to show their faces at anything, but you are quick to run your mouth about people who have actually left their houses to partcipate in events affecting Igbo people and Biafrans.
For your information, I paid $50.00 to get into the hall for the BF gathering in 2001. To me, that is $50.00 well spent because it gave me the opportunity to see up close the crooks that run BF. Now, when I see the name BF, all I think is 419 and I have my facts. Othniel/AfroEuro could make the time to go to Düsselldorf, but you Nwa Aro could not. That is telling! yet here you are taliking about "a pro-Igbo organization we formed three years ago based here in Germany."
If you had been more active you would have known ahead of time that the Düsselldorf meeting was planned and implemented by Ekwe Nche and other Ojukwuphobes as an anti-Ojukwu gathering.
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Ben, Please take it easy. If job or business takes somebody off a planned program, others should be able to hold forth. Nwa-Aro is just one individual. Why should his absence be an issue where people are determined.
I have been praying that God will touch every Igbo person, so that we can tune down a little bit and handle this huge problem (Bondage in Nigeria) in our hands. The Jewish state of Isreal came in existence today because of one man's dream 'HERZL' whom others thought then was a mad man. Let us maintain our sanity and focus on issues, and avoid all this personal attacks.
Ugali Ushaga I will continue to dream and i assure you that my dream will come through sooner than you think.
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Ben: Your tirade is a usual one. It wont let Nwa Aro question how you guys "who show face" try at every juncture to MISLEAD those you claim to "lead". The fact that Nwa Aro was not (i am not a dictator and i operate in an organizational base) at the Düsseldorf CHARADE does not reder what Nwa Aro has reported (which you confirmed), ie, the so-called conference was all about Ojukwu bashing. How would you expect any reasonable person (the main reason we sent delagates there was because the converners did advertize that Ojukwu and Uwazuruike will be at the said conference,) not the least Nwa Aro to waste his time, money and energy to attend a conference by lazy people who have nothing to do than talk about people? For your info, looking back in retrospect, I am very happy that I didn't attent the USELESS 'Biafra House' launching and the equally nonsensical Düsseldorf money-making jamboree.
Again, whether you and your cohorts who never admit a fault or to be critized like it or not, it's only the day those who claim to "represent" or "speak" for the Igbo Nation are duly ELECTED will their utherances/activities be given any weight by both the Igbos and non Igbos alike. Do you guys some times ask yourselves why most people dont take you guys serious anymore, or why your message of SELF-AGGRANDIZEMENT is not going beyong the Internet? I repeat, I am an IGBOMAN and will only attend things having to do with IGBO AFFAIRS.
Your type of CHILDISH comment (which we have seen many on this board and elsewhere,) all goes to vindicate Nwa Aro when I said and still say that THERE'S SURELY NEED FOR CHANGE OF FOCUS, MESSAGE AND THE MESSENGERS.
Njoku: Dont waste your time to answer the Bens on this board. We know their tactic: it is to silence critics and keep the Igbo people whom they thought are fools PERMANENTLY BIND. Thank God people are begining to see beyong the shrouded clouds.
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It must be nice, to be on the Igbo side and the sabo side at the same time. People like you who are always conveniently out of town during events that you consider important should be very careful about circulating second hand information just to demonstrate that you are active in the community. Ultimately, these rumors that you circulate show that you really are out of touch. Any way you twist it, second-hand information is hearsay, and in your own case it is junk rumor because it does not carry the name of a known organization or person.
How do we even know that you were not a member of BF? Everything you have done suggests that you are a BF mole, planted to trick us into contributing money to them by claiming that you sent money to Amanda, money that Chiboy has shown you never sent. It seems that you always manage to send some nameless and faceless delegates from phantom organizations that you say you formed in Germany.
That was how you and your cohorts on this board tricked me to travel hundreds of miles to attend the BF charade in Washington, where you insulted our intelligence and even the intelligence of the Ikemba with your bogus "Biafra House." Odi egwu! Two years from now, you will start condemning your own delegates to Düsseldorf, and start pretending to be an outsider to the group that you now say you formed.
Chima Njoku:
I know you want peace to reign. I understand that, and I understand that people have to work for a living. But, since the Nwa Aros of this board always make excuses for failing to attend even events that are held in their backyard, they should start learning to shut up and stop ranting at those who make good effort to learn what is happening. Nwa Aro was conveniently too busy to attend the sham that he and BF organized in Washington. Now, he has failed to attend yet another gathering that he organized in Düsseldorf, Germany. When will this man stop hiding behind the "Nwa Aro" handle and start doing things that are verifiable?
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quote:…just like Dr. king said in the 60s, I, Nwa Aro say in the year of our Lord 2004 that; I HAVE A DREAM FOR THE IGBO PEOPLE AND NATION BEING FREE FROM ANY BONDAGE SOMEDAY!! Let he/she who believes say a loud "Amen!" to that.
A resounding and reverberating AMEN! AMEN!! And AMEN!! To Igbo freedom.
Ben, how’re ya?
quote:Everything you have done suggests that you are a BF mole, planted to trick us into contributing money to them by claiming that you sent money to Amanda, money that Chiboy has shown you never sent. – Ben
The day Nwa Aro is exposed to be what you accused him to be count me as the first that would harshly denounce him, shame him and make his life a living hell.
quote:People like you who are always conveniently out of town during events that you consider important should be very careful about circulating second hand information just to demonstrate that you are active in the community. – Ben
Didn’t you somewhere agree that the Germany gathering was orchestrated by Igbo/Ojukwu bashers/haters? If so how then do you get angry with someone who failed to show up? Please clarify. If however a pattern of avoiding legitimate gatherings organized for the benefit of the Igbo is established I do agree with you that it reeks with suspect. We cannot allow that. As a neutral arbiter who does not live in Germany, do not belong to any phony Igbo assembly my inquisition is to enable me get a grip. I am what you might call a one-man political machine therefore I remain highly unbiased. Thanks in anticipation of yours.
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Ben. you amuse yourself. After your frontman Chiboy was not able to make Nwa Aro "shut up." After Chiboy failed and failed woefully, his errand boy started a USELESS "100 never say" thread to silence Nwa Aro. But since I IGNORED him as I do with people not deserving of my attention, you have now come here to turn things upside down simply because Nwa Aro is one more time telling you guys in this thread that YOU HAVE BEEN MISLEADING PEOPLE ALL ALONG WITH YOUR 'BIAFRA' NONESENSE. But the more you guys try, the more you are exposing yourselves to be LIES and SMEAR CAMPAIGNERS.
Talking of you in particular, lets examine your original mail to see how DISHONEST YOU ARE:
Quote: -------------------- "For your information, I paid $50.00 to get into the hall for the BF gathering in 2001. To me, that is $50.00 well spent because it gave me the opportunity to see up close the crooks that run BF. Now, when I see the name BF, all I think is 419 and I have my facts."---Ben ---------------------
Since your money was "well spent" as you claim, could you tell us what and how it was well spent? Is it that the 'Biafra House' which was the reason peoples money were collected does exist? Did you pay the money to "see up close" anyone or for a supposed 'Biafra House'? Where were you when Chiboy asked members of this board who contributed money to the 'Biafra Fund' to come up to say collect their money? Those who are old enough on this board knows that I told Chiboy then that I DONT NEED ANY MONEY FROM HIM. How could someone (Chiboy) own up to a crime he/she never committed or was not party to as Chiboy did by asking to "refund" us our money? But since it is Nwa Aro who is a member of BF as you want the world to now believe, could you show a thread were Nwa Aro came on this board to ask anyone to tell how much he/she gave Amanda so that I (Nwa Aro) can refund him/her as Chiboy did in one thread? On the contrary, we can see in thread after thread how Nwa Aro OPENLY condemned what took place here and even called for a stop of people using this board to raise money. Now show us a thread where 'Ben' either condenmed the "419" that took place here or better still where you suggested what can be done to avoid future occurence. WAITING FOR ANSWER!
Quote: ---------------------------------- "Othniel/AfroEuro could make the time to go to Düsselldorf, but you Nwa Aro could not. That is telling! yet here you are taliking about "a pro-Igbo organization we formed three years ago based here in Germany."---Ben. -----------------------------------
This is NEWS to me. How did Ben get to know that 'Othniel' was at that meeting in Düsseldolf. How are we sure that 'Ben' is not one of the organizers of the money-spinning charade that was held in Düsseldolf? It is more astonishing because just the mention of the Düsseldolf CHARADE forced 'Ben' out of his hole. Please tell us how 'Othniel' look and what he said/did at the conference. WAITING FOR ANSWER!
For your info, we do indeed have a REGISTERED Igbo-only organization with about 100 members in the town where I reside and which Nwa Aro is a FOUNDING member. THIS IS A FACT.
Quote: ------------------------------ "If you had been more active you would have known ahead of time that the Düsselldorf meeting was planned and implemented by Ekwe Nche and other Ojukwuphobes as an anti-Ojukwu gathering."----Ben. -------------------------------
This sounds like more of a confession than an information. How did it come that 'Ben' knows almost everything about the Düsseldolf gathering more than Nwa Aro who lives here? And if 'Ben' knows that much prior to the gathering and knew that those involved were not for real, WHY DIDN'T BEN COME TO THIS BOARD BEFORE THE GATHERING TO ALERT MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD? WAITING FOR ANSWER!
Say what you want, FOR THE RECORDS, HERE IS WHERE YOU NAILED YOUR COFFIN OF COMPLICITY IN THE DÜSSELDOLF CHARADE:
Quote: ------------------------------------------ "You really should be ashamed of yourself. Do you think that those people who make the time to attend those conference don't know how to come up with a reason to be "out of town" the weekend of the conference?----Ben. --------------------------------------------
Ashamed to not have been around bad people as you tell us, or for not allowing myself to be 419ed again? For the benefit of al members of this board, I reinterate that I was actually out of Germany a month and two weeks BEFORE the Düsseldolf gathering and I came back three weeks AFTER it took place. Infact, I was not in attendance at my organization's monthly meeting when those sent by my organization made their report. Which you confirmed to be true.
Look 'Ben,' what you have proved as you open up on this issue is that you know EVERYTHING about the WHO (your mail suggest you are one of them,) WHEN and HOW the Düsseldof gathering was planned and executed. So now tell us EVERYTHING YOU KNOW. Or else SHUT UP your HISHONEST mouth.
while you at it, may I remind you and those that are waiting in the wings that will soon join this thread to help you turn truths upside down as you guys are good at doing that this thread HAS NOTHING to to do with conferencing or who was duped and by whom. After the pro-Bush and pro-Kerry arguments on this board, Ojukwu asked a question: what do the Igbos have to gain from either Kerry or Bush? If you have something to contribute to the topic of this thread, feel free to do so. But if not, please do us a favour by staying OUT.
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quote:After your frontman Chiboy was not able to make Nwa Aro "shut up." After Chiboy failed and failed woefully, his errand boy started a USELESS "100 never say" thread to silence Nwa Aro.
Nwa Aro:
I thought you already had a thread for this nonsense of yours. Why are you taking it from thread to thread? How dare a dumb moron like you accuse me of opening the "100 Nevers at BNW" thread to spite you? For you information, if I want to open a thread about you, I will put your damned name on it and there is nothing you can do about it. That's my style. You must truly be out of your mind. Chiboy did not need help to show that you are nothing but a deranged liar who constantly fabricates lies to make futile points. The fundraiser for the so-called "Biafra House" was conducted in the open. So, who are you trying to fool? You did not donate a penny, yet you lied to this forum about sending money to Amanda. You may try to trick people like MeBiafran because they are new on this board, but you are sadly mistaken if you think that a veteran like me will fall for your lies. Your credibility is on the line, you stink like a skunk, and that is the way it is going to be until you explain why you lied about sending money that you never sent.
So, don't think that you have fooled anyone just because you have tried to trick people like MeBiafran to believe that there is a legitimate debate about the fact that you attempted to manipulate a fundraiser on this board. Take this dabate to the appropriate thread and stop creating distractions in this thread.
[ July 20, 2004, 01:29 AM: Message edited by: Dave ]
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My brother for the last time, if you are going to exhume this corpse I suggest you enquire of those who partook in it's interment. Nwa Aro is not the accused, Nwa Aro is the accuser here is the evidence 2003 polls end game
The best arbiter anyone can be at the moment is to encourage Nwa Aro to produce eveidence of his lost funds, then use the information Chiboy has provided on Banking information on the Biafran house fund raising to prosecute Ohafia and his gang.
Nwa Aro You shouldn't be mad Ben has identified you as a liar and unrepentant crook. I warned you about the damage to your credibility following your inability to clear the air on that phony money transfer and the denial of your involvement in the Biafra house opening. Just like you denied sending delegates to the Biafra house opening, you are bound to deny those you sent to the dusseldorf conference but the records will be there to shame you again.
I won't distract this thread eventhough Ben has raised a very important point. I will go back to the appropriate thread and raise the issues you have refused address, by now you should know that it won't just go away as folks are not forgiving of 419ers around here.
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Chiboy & ERRAND BOY Dave: Welcome on board. I touched the verve in you guys, didn't I? You know I love to stir the honey nest.
Only a blind person will read this thread from when Ojukwu started it to when Nwa Aro kept it going until your co-gangster 'Ben' interupted with his CHILDISH outburst to conclude that Nwa Aro is "derailing" it.
If I may ask, what has Dave and Chiboy said on this thread so far to RAIL IT ON? NOTHING. We are still waiting for Chiboy to tell us WHY he is the "mouthpiece" of the Igbos and Biafrans on this board and what he will tell baby Bush when he meets him. THAT'S WHAT THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT.
Ben: Your fellow gangsters can praise you to high heavens if they want, but you are yet to answer MeBiafran's question and your clear involvment in the Düsseldolf abracadabra.
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