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I had earlier posted this on the US presidency thread, but I think the topic deserves a life of it's own. The initiative by MASSOB is quite commendable and the thinking is in order. I believe a healthy relationship with the US is the right direction for Biafrans.
Having read the statement put out by the MASSOB, the only thing left to say is congratulation MASSOB members for an ingenuous move.
Someone is MASSOB group is smart and bright enough to figure out that Bush’s administration will be the best vehicle to fight the inhumane atrocities being dealt on the Igbo people of Biafranigeria.
MASSOB should not stop with issuing statement of support to Bush. It of paramount importance that MASSOB gain access to people that have Bush’s ears, to explain the connection between the atrocities being visited on the Igbo people and terrorism. Further a strong connection should be made and explained to this administration about Obasanjo’s regime, the Moslem jihadits involement in terrorist acts in Biafranigeria.
I know for a fact that MASSOB visit and read this board so I encourage everyone member of this forum to give any helpful information which will help MASSOB members gain access to this administration.
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quote:...to intervene in the dehumanisation, marginalisation and religious discrimination that has been going on in Nigeria for more than 37 years now...
dat one no be so and na undastatement. mallam pipul dem done discrimination against ndiigbo eva since britico oyinbo give mallam power over naija in de 1920's. if mossab wan achieve anting with bush, then make dem talk truth.
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I appreciate your humour, but could you please respond only if you have something usefull to say. Thank you.
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Not bad to have some converts. It feels good to accord respect where it's due, G.W a Repulican deserves that respect from the new converts.Welcome aboard guys.
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quote: Important thread indeed: a terrorist organization congratulating a terrorist president. - bababoyz:
Don't forget to add the master terrorist you call AWOLOWO too. Please while we are at it, include all sons and daughters of the run away crook from bini known to you as oduduwa but to reasonable folks, he was a village criminal. Your Pa Adesanya and Pa Ajasin who encouraged terror and banditry during NADECO as a way to fight abacha should be included in this list of who is who in TERRORISM. Sunday Aduwuisi your father a known THIEF, TERRORIST and plain IDIOT should not be forgotten. OPC to yoroba or YOU ROBBERS as the British rightly called you guys I believe is full of choir boys? Well, what does one expect from an asshole who does not know the basic definition of terrorism.
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quote:YOU ROBBERS as the British rightly called you guys I believe is full of choir boys?
MeBiafra,
This is wrong.
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Peeless, Thank you for making a reply to MeBiafran's comment unneccesary.
Back to the main issue. I have a gut feeling that MASSOB is threading on dangerous grounds here. While it is desirable to have America as an ally due to obvious reasons, such friendship is better cultivated from a position of relative strength. History is replete with instances of failed states emanating from American misadventure and experimentation. Such states have fallen victims to American foreign policy gone terribly bad. Instability, unrest, mayhem, and banana republic-status have become their lot. I wrote the same thing about NADECO and Abiola's agitation for American blueprint for Nigerian Democracy, warning that he who rides on the back of the tiger usually ends up in its belly. States and individuals such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Liberia, and Osama Bin Laden are products of the bait and switch techniques of American diplomacy and pernicious manipulations from 16, Pennsylvania Avenue. MASSOB, thread softly, any American favor is usually repaid/extracted 1000 folds.
I cannot help but remind my good friend MeBiafran that whatever shred of doubt existed as to Late Mr Obafemi Awolowo's stature was shred to pieces by no less a personality than Mr. Odumegwu Ojukwu who proclaimed for the world to take notice that..Obafemi Awolowo was the best president Nigeria never had. Putting that famous speech in context will reveal a deep-seated respect and admiration for a man whom many of Ojukwu's followers will make us believe was responsible for the murder of 2 million Igbo children and infirm; matter of fact is Mr. Ojukwu led the war and he should know Awolowo better. Awolowo was no terrorist.
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Believe it or not when I wrote that I did it knowing that I still have someone I call a friend whom I might offend though not intentionally. Is there any reason why you failed to put a cable on your brother bababoyz? This dude has been uncut, disrespectful with 99.999% of his vomits yet each time it’s like you look for escape goat in MeBiafran. This too is equally wrong. The topic was about a message of congratulations and not about Ikemba whom I am sure you would agree has more integrity than sunday adewusi, the man who might as well be called Corruption, Inc. Could you, addy my friend, be the same as bababoyz? Because it seems each time he posts his insults here come you to the rescue.
quote:…cannot help but remind my good friend MeBiafran that whatever shred of doubt existed as to Late Mr Obafemi Awolowo's stature was shred to pieces by no less a personality than Mr. Odumegwu Ojukwu who proclaimed for the world to take notice that..Obafemi Awolowo was the best president Nigeria never had. Putting that famous speech in context will reveal a deep-seated respect and admiration for a man whom many of Ojukwu's followers will make us believe was responsible for the murder of 2 million Igbo children and infirm; matter of fact is Mr. Ojukwu led the war and he should know Awolowo better. Awolowo was no terrorist. – addy
Ikemba’s about Pa Awo only shows the forgiving nature of an average Igbo not that Pa Awo did not commit those atrocities attributed to him. By the way, I too, agree that Awo would have been a much better President than all the illiterates that took us for a bumpy ride. If Awo was not a terrorist, is Ikemba one? Your silence on certain utterances by bababoyz leaves me wondering at times. With this knowledge (niceties on Awo by Ikemba) and the amount of respect he had for Pa Awo, don’t you then think that if bababoyz is not a complete ass, he too would maintain some level of respect for Ikemba especially after we made him aware of Odumegwu-Ojukwu’s principles? That he is about democratic ideals, respect and good governance. You and I sometimes ago discussed what BIAFRA is about and based on that it became evident that you too are a BIAFRAN, remember?
addy, is Odumegwu-Ojukwu, who your brother accused of being a terrorist one?
To Peeless, well counsel your boy, adewusi’s illegit child. Yes, you’re right my language about the yoroba was wrong so also was your boy’s insult on Ikemba.On another thread (Topic: Anambrarians Weep for Thyselves) this chap wrote very sensibly and many of us including me, agreed with him. So why couldn’t he nurture and maintain that civil exchange? Please I am not saying we should always agree but what we should and must do is avoid those areas that are obviously inflammatory and volatile as his did. You can believe that each time junk is written a response to it must follow regardless of how anyone feels. addy and I resolved to maintain civil discourse and we have been doing just that except for his brother who throws in monkey wrench every chance he gets. Could addy be bababoyz? I doubt it but, hmmm.
It is a big shame that such mayhem will continue unabated in Anambra State, and the innocent helpless citizens of the state are being made the sacrificial lambs of the in-fighting among the godfathers.
Looking at the bigger picture, I think all the Ohanezes and Ezegburugburu should be ashamed that a high school drop out like Uba can become so powerful and unstoppable in his destruction of the capital of Ndigboland. Personally I do not see any difference between Chris Uba and Gani Adams, but the difference is Afenifebi elders have a way to put a leash on the latter, while Ohaneze seems helpless in leashing the former.
There is no amount of denial from all the warped Alaigbos on this forum that will take away the fact that the actual perpetrators and executors of this latest mayhem are Alaigbos residents of Anambra State. I know you want us to believe like you always do that the blame should be on the Jihadist from Arewaland or the Ngbatis from Odualand, but you can only sell that within and among yourselves, not to the world beyond BNW.
quote: "Personally I do not see any difference between Chris Uba and Gani Adams, but the difference is Afenifebi elders have a way to put a leash on the latter…"
Miracle! I am actually agreeing with this Yoruba chap. Bravo babyboz! You are right but let me also remind you that were it not for aremu, the illiterate boy, uba would not stand a chance. Another way to look at it is, if the person in Abuja were to be Igbo or say Hausa, he can equally use Gani Adams to scuttle any Yorubaland if that's the undemocratic way he prefers. That is if the president is as stupid as obasanjo who is giving support to all sorts of illegality. See how easy it is to be an IGBOLOGIST or BIAFRAN? The maintenance of democratic principles worldwide is all there is for peace to reign on earth. No other way. And this is what BIAFRA is about. – Mebiafran. Posted November 12, 2004 07:01 PMNovember 12, 2004 07:01 PM
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quote:Ikemba’s about Pa Awo only shows the forgiving nature of an average Igbo not that Pa Awo did not commit those atrocities attributed to him...MeBiafran
By implication, are you inferring that Awolowo was a terrorist?. I am burning for your answer, MeBiafran Sir.
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Of course not!! It was meant to show the magnanimous of Ikemba despite the litany of wrongs by Pa Awo on the Igbo and Ikemba. He still had nice things to say abot baba. addy, this singular act to me should have softened anyone's heart that is if that person has one. I’m sure you are aware of all the hardhearted policies against us instigated by the sage. Now, see how swift your "burning" question is answered? Could you attempt an answer to one of mine please dear friend?
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Addy Stop mulkying up the water, Personally I respect Awolowo for what he accomplished for his people, however as a national leader is a different case. Awolowo had record that dogged him thoughout his political career. That record is what plunged Biafranigeria into tribal politics.
before Awolowo formed Egbe Omo Oduduwa, politics during that time, when Biafranigeria was fighting colonial masters, Biafranigeria knew no tribal politics. Herbert Macauley a yoroba was Ziks political mentor, ZIk spent most of his young and adult life in the old western region. Then one night in 1956 Chief Awolowo did something that still dogged that country called Nigeria into ethnic politics that still dogged Nigeria till today. That Night in 1956, through Egbe Omo oduduwa Awolowo engineeried the notorious carpet crossing, that denied NCNC and ZIK the premiership of western Nigeria.
Fast forward 10 years in 1966, Awolowo was in gulage in Calaber, low and behold Ojukwu became the Governor of Eastern Region. Calaber been under his control he proceeded to release Awolowo from prison and gave him Eastern Nigeria Mobile police escort to Ikenne. Awolowo again bite the finger that fed him, and proceeded again and engineered the policy that starved over 2 million innocent kids to death. Again in the 1970 another Awolowo engineered policy of #20 to Biafrans, then proceeded to enrich himself from our money.
ADDY These are all facts and history, so you see respecting Awolowo and looking at him as a leader are two different things. You can respect somebody, but that doesn't change his/her records.
Brother MeBiafra You echoed what I was going to say to Bababoyz and his terrorist father IG Adewusi.
quote: These are all facts and history, so you see respecting Awolowo and looking at him as a leader are two different things. You can respect somebody, but that doesn't change his/her records.
Totally true, addy too understands however his implied support for bababoyz almost always leaves nothing to desire. Questions are hardly if ever answered. I've made it abundantly clear that Pa Awo if not for the tribal nonsense he injected was someone I did campaign for. I was in fact upset and disappointed when this useless aremu handed over to the islamic mediocre, shagari.
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quote:Is there any reason why you failed to put a cable on your brother bababoyz? This dude has been uncut, disrespectful with 99.999% of his vomits yet each time it’s like you look for escape goat in MeBiafran.
...MeBiafran
I think you are ascribing to me powers that i do not posess. I came to this board way long after Bababoyz joined and i do not know the experience that shaped his convictions as espoused in his writings. However, i have been privileged to read some very scathing and insulting references to his pedigree that i think was too much(I do not know if he was sired by IG Adewusi, so i hope i am not jumping the gun). The one time he insulted you without adequate provocation(italics also mine) was when i remarked that it was wrong. I hold no brief for no-one, it becomes a dilemma for me when i do all i can to engender, foster, and continously practise respectful journalism, and all i am confronted with is a reference to the Yorubas as YOU ROBBERS and the like. I guess if Bababoyz had referred to you in such a sweeping deprecatory manner, i will be expected to raise a finger; when guys like UkaObasi, Anaedo, Chiboy and co turn the blind eye to the unneccesary provocation?. I can by no means censor your writings, but if that is the way you know to express your passion, so be it. I will not let go of my belief that we have more in common than in differences, however. I appreciate your candid opinion about Mr. Awolowo though.
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Given that this is an Igbo run site I am sure you too would agree that the organizers of this site has been more than liberal and neutral. addy forget the YOU ROBBERS reference because worst things has also been said about the Igbo by your folks. We've gone through this before and here you are again with the revisionist attitude. A simple question I asked you were conveniently avoided while you stylishly wrote yet again as if I started this round of nonsense. Granted you can not control what anyone writes but you can at least denounce it. And as yet you are not addressing his direct insults on Ikemba. addy, anyone who succumbs as low as dirty bababoyz to insult Ikemba will always get it from me. I don't understand the double jingo, Ikemba is a terrorist yet he revered Awolowo? I have come to have the utmost respect for you and your writings and nothing could change this view. Please here's my earlier question. "addy, is Odumegwu-Ojukwu, who your brother accused of being a terrorist one?”
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quote: "addy, is Odumegwu-Ojukwu, who your brother accused of being a terrorist one?”
...MEBIAFRAN
When you pose this question to me, you get me to the height of my passion; Odumegwu-Ojukwu is NO terrorist. Odumegwu-Ojukwu is the embodiment of all that is noble, just, and humane. He came before his time but did more than enough to earn his followership. I do not necessarily agree with his continued silence over some issues about the civil war since i believe that by revealing certain things, Igbo-Yoruba relations will be greatly enhanced; i do not also agree with the way he ended the war; however, he is not expected to be perfect and we cannot ask for more. If there were any doubts about his sincerity of purpose, his activities since returning from Ivory Coast speaks volumes about his heart. He could be paid off by the "owners of the land" to sell the soul of the Igbo Union, he has instead refused to abdicate his exalted though dangerous pedestal on the platform of personal comfort. To me, he ranks up there with my man Oluwole Soyinka (no comparison intended).
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If you felt a need to respond to MeBiafran’s calculated rejoinder to Bababoyz, I want to believe that you can address MeBiafran’s disappointment that you have not appropriately addressed Bababoyz. I see that you have answered his question and that’s good. But really, rather than wrapping yourself in these knotty situations—knowing fully well that you do not want to appoint yourself judge over other’s actions—your best course of action would have been to maintain a dignified detachment and silence on the matter. This approach would certainly guarantee that you do not bring my name to a misunderstanding between two perfectly literate advocates—a misunderstanding which I lack the gravitas, skills nor inclination for resolving.
Nevertheless, I must say that I appreciate your efforts at, if I may borrow your phrase, practicing respectful journalism. I try to do the same. The thing is, MeBiafran and Bababoyz are adults and they don’t owe either of us any explanations for their tone. They reserve the right to rise or fall in character as the situation demands. Personally, I would wish that Bababoyz is a little bit more diplomatic with his words, but like I said, I do not burden myself with the unenviable task of trying to get him to practice respectful journalism. Also, I would wish that MeBiafran doesn’t lose his temper every time a baiter drops some words calculated at inflaming passions. Also, it is not my business how he chooses to respond to issues. I know my limitations. Rather than say that I turn a blind eye, you can say that I am intentionally indifferent. I don’t want to meddle in anybody’s business. Don’t expect any overbearing patronizing speech out of me. We have a webmaster who can take appropriate action if the level of vulgarity reaches an unbearable crescendo. Thanks.
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Anaedo, It will be impossible for me to maintain dignified silence in the face of unwarranted onslaught on things and symbols i hold dear. I am quite capable of fighting my own battles and i regret invoking your name. I only assumed that you might feel a pang of reasonable guilt at the desecration of reverred names, by an Igbo writer on an Igbo platform, just as you might feel at the desecration of Chief Ojukwu's name or the killing of harmless Margaret Hassan by the savages of Falllujah. Now that i realize that justice might be selective, i drop all expectation for fairness. Meanwhile, don't cry for Argentina!.
Like you rightly noted, i meant 1600 pennsylvania avenue. Thanks for the observation.
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quote:I do not necessarily agree with his continued silence over some issues about the civil war since i believe that by revealing certain things, Igbo-Yoruba relations will be greatly enhanced; i do not also agree with the way he ended the war;
The statement above shows a great mind at work. I will continue to be proud of the fact that long before any of these, I recognized you and Anaedo, as sharp minds. People who are driven by democratic tenets having said that, allow me to ask, how else do one end a war other than leave the scene, which will promptly reduce hostility? No, he has not been silence at all he speaks out on matters of National importance. As example, the circumstances that led to that war still exist even as we write and this is why Ikemba alluded to the MASSOB sit at home order. This excise caused aremu to unleash his attack dogs to embarrass and insult Ikemba. Our brother has never considered the Yoruba people enemies to the Igbo. Had this been the case, the amount of hostility we would display towards the Yoruba would've been unequalled. "I do not need to remind you (Banjo) that Biafra regards all Yoruba as friends.” – Odumegwu-Ojukwu. What more could be said about this man for people with bababoyz mindset to see reason to temper his wicked insults on someone who never meant any harm on his people? Please encourage people to read "Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu (71) - Leader, Teacher, Icon" by Peter Opara. My dear friend addy, all is well that ends well and our exchanges always end well mostly due to the maturity you display. Thank you.
Anaedo, jide kwa ki iji (your wisdom is appreciated) not necessary the translation. Ordinarily, those Igbo words are idiomatic solidarity expression. My attempt to explain is only to make my friend addy comfortable. I'll pledge to you two gentlemen that from henceforth, I'll go out on a limb to IGNORE the child, bababoyz. You guys have my word. He may even resort to direct assault on my personality but I'll endeavor to live above that. Should the need arise for a toe-to-toe with him; I did seek your opinions first. So accept my remorse for bringing us to this level.
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quote: ...... allow me to ask, how else do one end a war other than leave the scene, which will promptly reduce hostility? ........MeBiafran
MeBiafran, I really appreciate your sincere kind words because they do mean something.
I have other opinions about ending the Nigerian-Biafran war, however for the sake of not opening old wounds, i will keep them to myself. The bottom line is this: Whatever actions were taken by Chief Ojukwu at the time, he will always be second-guessed. I reserve the right to second guess him.
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quote: The bottom line is this: Whatever actions were taken by Chief Ojukwu at the time, he will always be second-guessed. I reserve the right to second guess him.
lol. I smiled when I read these lines, know why? You're right on both. May I then suggest to you as someone with very excellent command of the written language, English, to find a very decent way to put down those thoughts you harbor, how Ikemba could have ended that war? If possible a disclaimer might be necessary to avoid any unwarranted insults by anyone especially those who have not been following the thread? But if on the other hand you still could not find a very "diplomatic" way to share these belated ideas of yours, that's fine too. Still having problem, you may also send them to my PM. Take it lite my dear friend.
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