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Call him liberal, moderate or even wet. But Rudolph is a fine Igbo son. I enjoy his writing and humour. As Dr. Damages, he and Waziri Adio, perhaps made the most convincing case for the removal of Ahmed Tinubu from office. I think of him as a mild mannered Igbo Man. He may hold views considered too mild for the achievement of an independent Igbo nation but I never think of him as one who will work against his own people. BNW recently has shown that it can accommodate people of all shields of opinion even if they are not Igbo. My view is that Rudolph should be on BNW making his case. BNW has enough people to the right of centre to counter any such views. The most vibrant discussion groups on the internet had such heavyweights but sworn protagonists as Tunde Onabanjo, Damian, MrOneNaija. Clowns like FAILED COP, Clement Ikpatt even made the internet discussion groups come alight.
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Giving the theme of this thread: The Rudolf I know?
I will venture dabbling into this battlefield without a mapped out plan. One strategy that has kept me going is my knack of choosing my battles wisely. However I sometimes can’t help giving in when I have to defend a friend.
To answer the question – who is Rudolf Okonkwo? I will in a nutshell say, he is one hell of a guy. He is a true Igbo son – period. He is both a need and nice to know kinda of fella. A pity he does not drink, I will have loved spending an evening with him in a beer parlour when next I am in the US ha! ha! I still owe him one though.
Before I met him, I did feel connected with him, because his writings as I remember them, accentuates the positive. They express just what I was thinking. I have on some occasions dropped my postings because his forestalled mine. I love the guy.
Meeting him albeit briefly, convinced me that he is cool.
I must admit I have not been able to peruse Kwenu for the longest time; therefore I have lost touch with his write-ups. Now that I know he is there I’ll try and keep abreast of where he is as of now - intellectually.
Rudy has since become a father; it brings him in the league of people with matured behaviour.
I am aware of the incident Biafra referred to, (decorum please in BNW). Nonetheless Rudy did come out wiser, and had since moved on. The year 2002 was when I will characterise like " the year forumites were going through a learning process". The million-dollar question is – what lessons have we learnt from that incident?
This village ought to be large enough to accommodate whatever transpired in 2002.
Live and let live, was an old friends mantra. That was his way of saying, “Let by gone be by gone”, more precisely – “remember and be happy than remember and be sad”.
It is OK to chastise the one you love, but hey guy’s life is too short to continue holding Rudy out. If the guy wants in, let him in.
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My question is why this sudden rash of returnees to BNW ? One can't help but wonder what's really the motivation.
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Look Gentlemen what I am against is these surrogates trying to make Rudolf a saint. Why all of a sudden everybody is coming out of the woodwork to crown Rudolf the Onunaekwuru Igbo of Igboland. There is a reason Rudolf Okonkwo is no longer in this forum, no matter how you slice it, fact still remain facts. I will again plead with the webmaster to close this thread again, because it is going degenerate into name calling and personal attacks.
As much as I respect you, I don't agree what you are doing here. If Rudolf wants to come back to BNW all he has to do is do what everybody else does. That is go through the process of registeration and wait for the webmaster to approve him. Once he do that he will abide the same rule like everybody else. But you guys carrying touch for him is what I am against.
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Biafra, There is no reason why we can't have a debate without name calling. The debate so far has remained civilised. I think the webmaster should remove anyone who tries to disrupt proceedings. People can genuinely hold opposing views without resorting to grossly insulting language.
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Biafra, I have not in any way sought to make Rudolph a special case. I started this thread after I read another one where Rudolph was hard done by. I have never met Rudolph in person and can only judge his stand on issues based on his public pronouncements. I read his write ups and even when I disagree with him, I still admire his gentle, pragmatic and witty approach.
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Rudolf violated BNW's rule the last time, that was why he is not here. Before Dr Aluko came back nobody served as his surrogate that is all I am saying, if Rudolf wants to come back he knows the process to go through to come back. This is the second thread started because of Rudolf that is the issue that I am addressing, I am not insulting or attacking anybody personally.
We have to avoid this issue of making people seem bigger than they are. Dr Aluko came back last week, all of sudden everybody came out of ROM, a Thread with his name generated almost 300 posts before the webmaster shot it down. We have other important issue to discuss other than individuals. Watchout unless the webmaster shot down this thread, is going to take a life of its own.
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Biafra, One can't legislate for the odd person becoming rude during a debate. Ending the debate should not necessarily be the solution. I hope the rest who hold the same view as you do will emulate your fine example and keep the discussion civil.
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Does Rudolf's coming back have anything to do with the demise of Egbeomo.com. The last time I check Rudolf was columist for Odili & Egbeomo.com. I also heard that Rudolf refused to write for BNW. Even Rudolf said that BNW will not last more than 3 months, based on what I see from this site, this is longest 3 months in history.
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In the past couple of days, I have followed this thread and the closed thread that preceded it with increasing amounts of incredulity. Some of you may not be aware, or perhaps you have even chosen to forget, for whatever reason, that Rudolph’s goal since BNW came into being has been to destroy it. These attempts came to a head when Ruldolph, Anunti, Amanda, Obiora, et al. banded together for their “final strike” more than two years ago. They started at BNW, and then took the fight to a chain e-mail, even to a yahoo mailing list where they issued all sorts of threats to destroy BNW and its supporters. Eventually, they imploded and Rudolph went into hiding.
Thus, Rudolph’s anti-BNW project which he wished would culminate in BNW’s downfall ended up proving Ruldolf’s undoing. BNW blossomed. He failed due to his stupidity, and to the fact that those threats were impotent. However, I doubt not, and neither should anyone else doubt, that Ruldolph would have carried through had he had the necessary ammunition. He has hated BNW from the beginning, and I find it hard to believe that such hatred could have faded. Even if Rudolf’s hatred has faded as Nkem suggested, it is not for us to discover it on our own; it is for Rudolf to show us.
In addition, Rudolph was destroyed at BNW. When he attacked us, we had no choice but to respond in kind. Frankly, we went for the jugular, as was only proper given the circumstances. He led a misguided crusade against us, and we promptly crushed him.
Given the foregoing, I am at a loss as to why Rudolph would even want to return to BNW, much less why WE should invite him into our midst. We are not foolish, nor are we mad. If some of you have forgotten what Rudolph and his allies attempted to do on this board, let met assure you that I have not. I am absolutely against any plan to bring him back to this forum, and I will fight anyone who supports such a position.
We must ask ourselves, why. Why would Rudolph of all people be interested in returning to BNW? Perhaps he is running for office in Nigeria and he needs the awesome might of BNW to back him. If that be the case, why should we allow him to use what we have toiled to build, the very thing that he would have seen destroyed?
Perhaps he has used the time since he was gotten rid of to formulate a revenge strategy. If that is the case, why should we allow him to succeed at long last?
Perhaps he has truly experienced a change of heart as Brother Nkem suggested and he now wishes for us to rehabilitate him. If that is the case, then Rudolph should approach us on bended knee, prostrate himself before us all, and ask for our forgiveness. Perhaps then we may consider allowing him back into BNW.
Certainly, we may not actively or otherwise solicit his participation at BNW. To do so would be a betrayal of all we stand for. It would betray everyone who stood up and fought for BNW when Rudolph tried to destroy it. I will not allow such betrayal to occur.
Those of you who don’t know the background of Rudolph’s relationship to BNW, I suggest that you take the time to discover what occurred before you propose that WE solicit his participation. Those of you who have forgotten, I suggest that you refresh your memories as quickly as practicable.
As far as I am concerned, this discussion should not even be occurring. It is a waste of valuable time to debate what should be a non-issue.
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Speaking as one who was not here the last time Rudolph Okonkwo, I could care less if he comes back or not, was he not the one who came back as "Chioma" some time back? and tried to fool everyone, could it be that he was banned for using multiple handles?
Like Biafra said if Rudolph wants to come back let him do so and get approved just like everyone else. Aluko, Biafara/Knight, Nwa-Afor are all here why will Rudolph be denied admittance if he goes through the registration process?
For the people the know Rudolph and want to read his writings just call or write him and tell him to go register.
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Joy, I am not aware that Rudolph solicited to come back. As you know, returning to BNW has become the fashion in town since last week. In addition to that, someone resurrected another thread where Rudolph was the topic. Since starting this thread, I have come to learn of chain emails which I did not receive myself. As I have stated previously, my views of Rudolph are shaped by public pronouncements he makes. That BNW is still around after so long is a testiminy to the discipline of the visionaries behind its establishment. That perhaps is the best way to answer anyone who wanted BNW to fail. I do not doubt that each and every contributor can make this place an even better place to exchange great ideas. For that to happen, the webmaster should probably intervene more often to stop unruly persons before it becomes a free-for-all feast of the absurd.
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We have to avoid this issue of making people seem bigger than they are. Dr Aluko came back last week, all of sudden everybody came out of ROM, a Thread with his name generated almost 300 posts before the webmaster shot it down.
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First, in what numerals system is 233 almost 300 ? My thread was only 233 postings long, and had the BNW Administrator not shut it down, it would have been the longest and baddest thread on this BNW, coupled with the speed at which I reached Senior Advocacy in 5 days without trying!
Secondly, I think the only bigger draw on BNW before me would be Ojukwu - ROM would be emptied then. Coming a close third after me would be Ralph Uwazurike, who I hear was almost killed yesterday in Nigeria, had he been at home. [The man should be left alone ojare !]
Oo eziokwu !
Bolaji Aluko
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Bolaji, I doubt if Ojukwu would resort to cutting and pasting one liners to break your record. Seriously, why are you always squabling and using intemperate language all the time?
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