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Fellas, I have decided to start this thread in light of the fact that I wanted to post to Chiboy's thread only to discover that it has been closed. Why did same COWARD who started the thread decide to ask the Webmaster toclose it? He claimed that it was because of Ukaobasi's advice. Why should Chiboy listen to Ukaobasi whereas the person on whose name the self-adulation thread was started (Nwa Aro) said point blank that he wants it continued and the content reserved? You talk of cowardise at its worst.
Now since Chiboy harp on the fact that he started the thread because according to him it has made people donating and raisinbg money on BNW difficult, I have then decided to start this thread let the world know that no one on this board, not the least Nwa Aro said that people should not raise money on this board. Rather waht I said and the Administrator of thsi board seem to agree with me (as any reasonable person would) is to do so with YOUR REAL NAMES.
For the records, I repost the Adminstrator's condition as contained in his "Rules of the Road" thread. The Adminstrator said:
Quote: ---------------------------- This is just a reminder that BNW no longer permits the solicitation of funds on the open messageboard. Members who are interested in conducting fundraisers at BNW should contact the Administrator by e-mail and request a private forum for that purpose.
All requests for forums to be used for soliciting funds must include the full legal names of the individualssponsoring the solicitation and the purpose for which funds are being solicited. Requests that only include organization names will de declined. -----------------------------
So I want Chiboy to now tell the world why it is difficult for a Biafran hero that he claims to be to follow the rules as provided by the owner of thsi baord. Or must an Ojukwu re-incanate hide under a handle to fliece people or cause "damage" as Chiboy and co are known for on thsi board?
Chiboy and co, the ball is now in your court if you really want to be of help to your people back home and if you want the Nwa Aros of this world to give you that creidit of being Igbo providers that you claim to be. Over to you.
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I make this post to confirm what Chiboy stated. I still owe a pm of thanks both to Chiboy and Admin for listening and closing that post.
When it comes to verbal jousts involving logic and sound rationale, CHIBOY IS NO COWARD.
When it comes to action (ie strategic action beyond internet verbosity) to secure leverage for more realistic deployment of counter-responses to the myriad challenges that have made Igbo appear helpless, CHIBOY IS NO COWARD.
What I know is that you and Chiboy have been going at it in regard to a condition which existed before the Webmasters rules of the road which you posted above.
THE UNIMPEACHABLE VALUE OF EVIDENCE
If you have the evidence to buttress any accusations you make against others especially given that your accusations also implicate the very same board whose rules you cite, I hope you will not spare anyone for whatever reasons by witholding that evidence, but that you would present it together with as much detail as possible so that others can draw their own conclusions, and perhaps even go further than you in holding others with suspicion if they cannot defend the evidence you present implicating them.
THE PLACE OF BOARD RULES AS CHIEF PEACE-BROKER
I'm saying this because in a way you also violate board rules when you create an atmosphere conducive to chaos and the free trading of unsubstantiated allegations. It becomes obvious that when such an atmosphere of chaos exists, only board rules regulating causative behaviours can mediate effectively between parties by serving as a deterrent.
BIAFRAN HERO, OJUKWU REINCARNATE, BIAFRA, OJUKWU... WHAT GIVES?
My brother what I asked others was to de-escalate, and they did, together with the help of the Administrator.
I dont know where Biafra comes into this. I dont know where anyone claimed to be a Biafran hero. I dont know where Ojukwu comes into this. I dont know where Ojukwu-reincarnate comes into this.
By dragging these names into this matter, you create the impression that there is more to things than there is. If there are other issues bordering on Biafra and Ojukwu, then another thread may be necessary as such I wish you would de-couple that inclination from the case you wish to make against those whom you have challenged by creating this thread, so that clarity can be maintained.
CONCLUSION
In any case, I ask you my fellow Igbo and Aro brother to tone things down a bit so that those legitimate concerns that initially prompted you to words in the first place may finally be addressed clear-headedly to the benefit of the boards continued progress which we all equally enjoy. I will thank you in advance my brother.
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quote:I have decided to start this thread in light of the fact that I wanted to post to Chiboy's thread only to discover that it has been closed. Why did same COWARD who started the thread decide to ask the Webmaster toclose it? He claimed that it was because of Ukaobasi's advice. Why should Chiboy listen to Ukaobasi whereas the person on whose name the self-adulation thread was started (Nwa Aro) said point blank that he wants it continued and the content reserved? You talk of cowardise at its worst.
To say that I am upset will be putting it mildly, try angry. Your actions by uttering this absolute NONSENSE goes to show you have no RESPECT for those, including me who welded into the verbal altercation between you and chiboy to mediate. Ukaobasi’s suggestion to the Honorable Web Chief, seconded by both me and Dave was precisely what caused the Chief to do the right thing by closing that mess/topic. If anything could be said about chiboy based on my phone interactions with him, is that he is truly an HONORABLE man, follow me? Let’s for argument’s sake believe he closed that topic based on the advise of Uka, does that not give you a hint that the man is classy? All the gains we made trying to reconcile two brothers whom may have lunged at one another out of “minor” misunderstanding has been thrown out the window thanks to you. I even made a phone call to our brother NwaBiafra to join me in mediating between you and chiboy and he accepted now this action of yours has derailed all that. The thread you started could have gone without the unwarranted insults on chiboy thereby putting the whole issue back to square one. Aside from his tenacious stance towards those undisciplined Igbo haters I’ve never seen Uka this irate. So, how do you like that, huh, how?? It is now encumbered on you, Nwa Aro to request that the Web Chief close this meaningless topic started by you. Also expected of you is contrition to Uka, chiboy, NwaBiafra and myself for disrespecting us in this wanton fashion. I’ll not condone this abrasive behavior especially coming from someone I’ve been doing my darn best to shield from public assault. Several times I came close to being accused of being in connivance with you even when I didn't know squat about what transpired. The only saving grace was that our brothers who came close to questioning my integrity knew deep down that my character is unshakeable. The height of the insult came when that dirty bini boy othniel/Conundrum made a direct accusation towards me all because of you.
Now, let me ask you,
DID YOU MAKE ANY CONTRIBUTION TO THE FUNDRAISING EFFORT AND IF SO PUT THE PROOF OUT HERE OR PLEASE RESPECT YOURSELF BY NOT BRINGING THIS UP AGAIN.
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I have tried to stay away from this mess, because until this whole nonsense started. Nwa Aro was one of the brothers that I never questioned his committment to Igbo cause, it is unfortunate that I am seeing this other side of Nwa Aro and I don't like it. I know chiboy personally I have worked with him in so many Igbo projects, his integrity is beyond reproach, So when I see people drag his name through the mud I cringe. The sad thing and what makes me reluctant to come out with gun blazing, is because like I said earlier Nwa Aro is a brother I used to respect a great deal.
I continue to keep quiet hoping to see if the Nwa Aro, I know and respect will surface. But when I read this thread and all the insult he is heaping in my good friend Chiboy, I get disappointed more and more. Can the real Nwa Aro we love and respect please come out and lets end this nonsense.
It is a good thing that we some times disagree. it is very healthy and progressive to disagree. While we have some disagreement on some issues, let us not let it degenerate to personal abuse and malice.
I respect u all, Biafra, MeBiafra, UkaObasi, Nwa aro.
Where there is no conflict, there is no progress. How we resolve conflicts is what differentiates us from canibals. I bet we all here are xtian? If so, let us be reminded that as xtians must put aside those issues that divide us and cling on to those that unite us.
I love u all!
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Like many in this board I tried to stay away from this discussion because I was not here when it happened however, when I woke up this morning to see this nonsense written in this thread by Nwa Aro, to say that I’m disappointed and angry will be the understatement of the century.
quote: I have decided to start this thread in light of the fact that I wanted to post to Chiboy's thread only to discover that it has been closed. Why did same COWARD who started the thread decide to ask the Webmaster toclose it? He claimed that it was because of Ukaobasi's advice. Why should Chiboy listen to Ukaobasi whereas the person on whose name the self-adulation thread was started (Nwa Aro) said point blank that he wants it continued and the content reserved? You talk of cowardice at its worst.~~~Mwa Aro
Nobody is his right mind will call Chiboy a coward. I have had the opportunity to deal with Chiboy in a number of Biafran issues, I’m here to state that he is a brave man. If his showing class by taking Ukaobasi’s advice and making a request to the Webmaster for the closure of the thread is construed by you Nwa Aro as cowardice, what does that make you who will not answer a simple question that would have solved all this problem and that is “ DID YOU CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUNDRAISING? If so SHOW THE PROOF THAT YOU DID? Don’t think for a moment that by keeping this issue going without providing facts to support your allegations one will tend to side with you that you contributed money to the fundraising. I’m here to tell you that contra will be the result because only one with something to hide does not let issues I their favor die.
Therefore on this point between you and Chiboy, he Chiboy is a better man.
quote: For the records, I repost the Adminstrator's condition as contained in his "Rules of the Road" thread. The Adminstrator said:
Quote: ---------------------------- This is just a reminder that BNW no longer permits the solicitation of funds on the open messageboard. Members who are interested in conducting fundraisers at BNW should contact the Administrator by e-mail and request a private forum for that purpose.
All requests for forums to be used for soliciting funds must include the full legal names of the individualssponsoring the solicitation and the purpose for which funds are being solicited. Requests that only include organization names will de declined. -----------------------------~~~Nwa Aro
The quotation above makes me really angry because you knew that the fundraising in question was the reason why rule was promulgated. For you to quote it retroactively implying that “Chiboy and co” (your words) broke the rules is disingenuous. How can one break rules that were not in effect when their actions were taken? You should apologize for that assertion to “Chiboy and Co”.
Further let me say that since that rule was set into effect, fundraising has been conducted in the board by me, all the rules where followed. I requested and was granted a private room for Fundraising for Ojukwu and APGA for the 2003 election. You were aware of that fundraising, I know that because I personally sent you a PM. You did not participate, looking at it Thank God you did not agree to participate, I would have risked being accused on misusing fund that you never sent.
I number of people in here contributed to that fund Chiboy and Ukaobasi just to mention a few. It was well documented and receipts, acknowledgment letters posted in the private room for all contributors to see.
There were contributors from Europe who contribute via Wire transfers and such record of transfer is held by them in case the fund turns out missing. So in you own case if you made the alleged contribution please show proof of your wire/electronic transfer so we can close this issue.
All contributors are professionals, Lawyers, Engineers, CPA and Doctors, no contributor is a hamburger flipping fellow. They all know the laws governing such fundraising in the USA with the IRS and I bet you they will report any illegal activity if it occurred. With that in mind, I wonder why you never reported the alleged embezzlement of the alleged contribution you made? Could it be that you never made such contribuotion?
quote: So I want Chiboy to now tell the world why it is difficult for a Biafran hero that he claims to be to follow the rules as provided by the owner of thsi baord. Or must an Ojukwu re-incanate hide under a handle to fliece people or cause "damage" as Chiboy and co are known for on thsi board?~~~Nwa Aro
To the above I say NONSENSE. The rule as it was then was followed. Unless you can show me were a subsequent fundraising was conducted by “them” you should refrain from making such statement.
quote: Chiboy and co, the ball is now in your court if you really want to be of help to your people back home and if you want the Nwa Aros of this world to give you that creidit of being Igbo providers that you claim to be. Over to you.~~~Nwa Aro
Chiboy has been helping “his people” he does not need to prove that to you or any other person. People that need to know already know that he does that.
Nwa Aro,
This is a special appeal to you as a man that I respect his writings, please give me answer to the following questions: 1. Did you contribute money to fundraising? 2. Did you send any money to Amanda Wekson? 3. Do you have any proof that you sent such fund?
I don't think it would be good for me to keep silentwhile you go about tarnishing the Image of people on this forum. your first action was to accuse Ohafia of "fraud".
Chiboy only intervened to ask you some simple questions. It is of interest that UKAOBASI, MeBiafran and finally NwaBiafra are asking the same questions.
quote:Nwa Aro - Without prejudice, can you tell us how much you have donated to any fund raising in BNW and who specifically embezelled your money ? Please mention names it would be a good starting point as we need to get to the root of this matter. I hate to have people live with the impression that there are those defrauding others here, because I have already been badly maligned over this issue.
All If you have been defrauded in any fund raising on this board please speak up now or forever hold your silence.I hope nobody takes this in bad faith, let's deal with this issue now for posterity. I believe we will still need to contribute to good causes in the futur so this is the time to clean up.
quote: no contributor is a hamburger flipping fellow.
Does that mean a "hamburger flipping fellow" is a lesser being?
No matter how you guys tried to cover this s-h-I-t up, it would keep coming up to hunt you and the fact remains that fraud was perpetrated in the so called fund raising, and people were duped because they were easy to fool.
Furthermore, Chimpboy was very active in that fraudulent endeavor and he is as guilty as Amanda who disappeared into thin air immediately after the can of worms was opened. All these meaningless “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” propaganda to exonerate chimpboy would not sell with those of us who actually knew what happened
The undeniable fact is Chimpboy is an accessory to a fraudulent fund raising and as such, CHIMPBOY IS GUILTY AS CHARGED.
quote: All these meaningless “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” propaganda to exonerate chimpboy would not sell with those of us who actually knew what happened~~babyboyz
babyboyz,
Those of Us?? I did not know that you contributed to the fund in question? Since you know what happened, do tell so we can close this issue once and for all.
We all are waiting....
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You are at it again!, the last attempt was to fire up a mild disagreement with brother MeBiafra, in turn, when the right of response was excised, you cried Chiboy's front man, oh well! Chiboy's front man i will wish to be since I find his integrity intact and since such wild claim first came from no other person than 'ADDY', a man who hated NdiIgbo to the woods and who once claimed that Chiboy write my posts for me; now, okwyonwuka is a terrorist who has threatened your existence, well and again, I will refute such bogus accusation AS NONSENSE AND BASELESS , what i made was a categorical statement and I will stand by that any day.
For the interest of MeBiafra, a man and brother that I have the ultimate respect for, I will fell bold to tell you that Nwa Aro actually tried to use or drag me into something i do not know anything about, the records are straight, I made some comments concerning the fund raising of APGA 2003 presidential election, Chiboy, Nwa Biafra and some other members of this board was upset ed with my comments which I believe I was misunderstood. However, I did not hesitate to clarify my stand and apologized to those that were offended by those comments; it was my utmost surprise that Nwa Aro used my well intended comments that was suppose to have been misunderstood by Chiboy and Nwa Biafra to launch attacks on most members of this board. Chiboy himself can attest to the fact that it was a mistake and a simple oversight on my part which i had duly paid for publicly and in private. Let me quickly add that Nwa Aro is becoming too divisive with this Aro thing as if the rest are picked from the evil forest whereas a kind of clarity will be needed, is it to say that Aro has become more Igbo than Ogbunike and Iguedo clan where i come from or are we equal partakers of our common Igbo heritage?, Let Nwa Aro come clean as he seems to look like a confused man.
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quote: All these meaningless “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” propaganda to exonerate chimpboy would not sell with those of us who actually knew what happened. - Bababoyz
Could you then tell us what happened please?
Could you address the bone of contention whether or not our brother paid into this fundraising?
While we are here, explain to us what happened to the monies with supporting documents and/ or taped conversation that would point to fraud.
I'm really interested to know but before we get carried away again let me restate that according to Nwa Aro's earlier position, he “donated” into the fundraising activities, whereas chiboy doubted that claim with a request for proof of that transactions. It is that simple. I have repeatedly stated that the failure to contribute should not and will not constitute a crime however, what I sense chiboy never appreciated was the silly attempt to raise a false alarm by his brother. He reasoned that it was most unfair for someone who didn’t financially contribute towards the fundraising to claim fraud whereas there was absolutely no proof of that, at least it has not been established. So, please do not inject blank financial accusations against any member of this board how you personally feel about that individual notwithstanding because there is always tomorrow. It could be you next. Let us be fair to all parties. Thought I remind ya.
I again call upon all BIAFRANS/EASTERN REGIONERS to mediate and bring this mess to a close for we cannot afford to loose any of our freedom fighters. The liberation of our people and eventual Sovereign State of Biafra should be our collective ultimate and final goal. I’ll now extend my thanks to chiboy for non-reply to this assault on his character. My thanks also to Nwa Aro for not contributing further though I still call on him to seek the Honorable Web Chief’s assistance in the closure of this crappy thread especially after NwaBiafra contradicted the retroactive rules. Believe me it is the right thing to do even Bababoyz in his right mind would agree to this. Lol.
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Don't mind Bababomboyz, he thinks everybody is like his dear old dadd who like to dip his hand into public treasury. His IG Dad fed fat on Nigeria money, that is how Bababomboyz made it to shore of North America.
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The question is not whether he contributed to the fund or not, rather the real questions that beg to be answered are as follow:
1. WAS THERE A FRAUD IN THE FUND RAISING?
2.WERE BNW MEMBERS SWINDLED IN THE FUND RAISING?
3. WHO ACCOUNTED FOR THE FUNDS COLLECTED?
4. WHO ARE THE PERPETRATORS OF THE FRAUD?
5. WHERE IS AFRICAWEST $1000 SENT TO THE FUND RAISING COMM.?
It is ingenious for Chimpboy dream defense team to twist what we all know as the fact, that the Administrator of this forum issued the new rules on fund raising because of the misdeeds of the past. Chimpboy was caught with his pants down and now he has disappeared into ROM leaving his defense team to scramble for a way out for him. You can run, but you can't hide baby.
As an original BNW member, I laugh hysterically when I read all the innuendoes of the JJC who are fed with lies and they take it line, hook and sinker.
We all knew what happened; don’t pull any wool over our eyes.
We have read much of these allegations for too long.
Where does the truth lies?
Based on new allegations coming from Bababoyz, Nwa-Aro's contribution or non-nontribution is a nonissue now. The main issue now is whether or not the funds were mischanneled. So, let's clear that up first --- ka chineke mekie okwu.
Please, post your facts to counter Bababoyz's allegations.
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I'm left with two option about you, either you can read or you don't comprehend what you read.
The issue is whether Nwa Aro contributed money to the fundraising as he alleged so as to give him standing to question what went on and bring suit if it come to that.
As to what happened the archives is full of what happened in this case. As I see it Chiboy, Wacko and others have provided links to what happened to the collected funds, nowhere did I see Nwa Aro's name as a contributor. Reading one of the postings Emeka did state that the fund in question was delievred to the appropriate persons. So go back and re-read the archives on this issue maybe on a second reasdy you will comprehend what transpired.
As to you laughing when you read people's contribution on this issue.. well, I guess Nwa Aro continues to provide your likes with opportunity to write nonsense on thread and issues that have absolutely nothing to with you.
Early I asked you to tell us what happened since you stated that you are in the know, we all are still waiting. Instead of answering the question you are resorting to Nwa Aro's favority tactics of changing the issue.
Do me a favor and stay out of this or you might get what is coming to you. Last time I checked there is something called DEFAMATION.. you are engaging in it when you accuse Chiboy of a crime of embezzelment when you have no facts to prove such accusation. Let me tell you that you are not difficult to find a a law suit slapped against you. You can't hide under bababoyz handle and make such accusations. The long-arm of the law will get you in case you don't know that.
You better thank you God Chiboy is a classy guy, if that were me, I will come after you like you will not believe. All it takes is private investigator to track you down and serve you the papers which like I said early is not difficult to do. Remember your IP address is there to give you away.
My advice to you is to chill and stop making wild accusation of crime against members of this forum.
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I blame NwaAro for all that is going on now. I must add that those of us who kept quiet while he was making these baseless allegations are also to blame. I suspect that his main reason for persisting with those false allegations was the hope that some fickle individual like Bababoyz will swallow his lies hook and sinker and all.
Folks, if there was indeed fraud perpertuated by some members of BNW on other members, how come it is only one individual who has been making these statements? How come the individual has not been able to provide evidence to the effect that he remitted money to someone on BNW? Could it be that NwaAro collected money from people in Germany to send to the fund raising effort , but never actually sent it? Could he be making these noises as a way of covering up his own fraudulent acts?
There have been several fund raising efforts contected in BNW by members of this forum. I have contributed to some of them and each time I have recieved an acknowledgement from the the chap collecting the money, I have been given an account including other contributors and the amount raised. Finally, on reciept of an acknowledgement from the whoever the funds are raised for we are sent a copy of this for our personal file. On other times, the letter acknowledging the reciept of the Gift has been published in a forum restricted to those who took part in the exercise.
Finally, it is not done any where that an account is given on the details of a fund raising drive to people who have no stake in achieving the aims of the drive.
Bababoyz can shout all he likes, but for the son of Former Inspector General of Police who was sent To USA with the funds his father stole from Biafranigeria folks to speak of fraud is a bit rich.
He should be grateful that several of us contributed our 1 naira notes at police check points to aid his attempt at getting an education.
Folks, I have to make it clear that it was Bababoyz and Amanda who handled the Fundraising in question. I remember that Bababoyz stated that you wrote that you were looking forward to the Orishirishi that will happen? You have to explain what you did with Africawest money. Have yoou embezzled it ? A case of like father like son!
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5. WHERE IS AFRICAWEST $1000 SENT TO THE FUND RAISING COMM.?
- Bababoyz
These questions to me and to most reasonable people are meaningless without the desired integrity you tried to inject. You stated there was “fraud” committed by the organizers of the fundraising therefore the burden of proof rests solely on your doormat. You should tell the forumites how and when any shenanigan might have occurred. How hard is that? In the interim your eloquent silence on my previous questions to you is noted. Translation, you have no clue what the hell you're saying.
quote:Please, post your facts to counter Bababoyz's allegations. – Rick
This is the most unfair thing I’ve read today, brother. The burden of proof is encumbered upon who made the accusation not the accused. Allow me to simplify, if you accuse someone of hiding some drugs within and around his person and he denies it, wouldn't you then show where and how it was hidden? How can one prove something he denied? Please tell us.
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quote: Do me a favor and stay out of this or you might get what is coming to you. Last time I checked there is something called DEFAMATION.. you are engaging in it when you accuse Chiboy of a crime of embezzelment when you have no facts to prove such accusation. Let me tell you that you are not difficult to find a a law suit slapped against you. You can't hide under bababoyz handle and make such accusations. The long-arm of the law will get you in case you don't know that.
quote:Folks, I have to make it clear that it was Bababoyz and Amanda who handled the Fundraising in question. I remember that Bababoyz stated that you wrote that you were looking forward to the Orishirishi that will happen? You have to explain what you did with Africawest money. Have yoou embezzled it ? A case of like father like son!~~~Wacko
Folks,
Now the truth is coming out. babyboyz said he know what happened when asked to tell all he knew he became nonresponsive. Now I know why, could it be that Nwa Aro sen
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