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The issues on this board are far greater than all of us put together. Daud, MeBiafran, Greg, please lets call a truce. Lets leave the person and face the issues.
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Olusola: I concur. They say once bitten twice shy. Have we ever stopped to ask why OBj would swallow his dung and now want a dialogue? What has OBj ever started that ended well?
Is it his war against corruption?- now he has taken corruption to a new height.
Is it his transparancy in govt? - With initial publication of excess revenue from oil and funds allocated to states to accusation that some states siphon such abroad- the more you look the less you see.
Is it Census?
Is it Election?
Is it NEPA? and all the promises he made in 1999
Is it Oil price, same Obj lambasted IBB, only to be the one to increase the cost of fuel the most, while his cronies pocket sinful profit from TAM and fuel importation.
What is it that OBj has promised that he has delivered?
So why would he start with this dialogue?
Why has he started talking aboyt money first, Is it to impress upon participants that egunje is in the offing?
This dialogue is an effot in futility
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SIR: The National Conscience Party (NCP) read with concern the position attributed to Comrade Adams Oshiomhole, President of the Nigeria Labour Congress (NLC) on the proposed conference on Political Reform in Nigeria.
We are amazed but not amused by the reasoning that informed the recently announced NLC's position to participate in the government-sponsored conference, the reasoning to us defies logic, betrays the heroic tradition of the NLC and does havoc to what before now had been a solid compact between the NLC, Civil Society groups and revolutionary forces in Nigeria who have been allies of the oppressed classes in the struggle for true democracy in Nigeria.
The NLC's position is characterised by ambivalence suggesting that the NLC is not persuaded yet that the government's proposed dialogue is, and can never be but a farce. The NLC wishes to find out whether or not the government sponsored conference is a sham by participating in it. Whereas the real issues are that by any parameters in terms of scope of issues to be discussed and composition, it ought to be clear to the NLC now that the conference would be a charade to legitimise a preconceived agenda not informed by the genuine task that confront the Nigerian people.
The debate at the moment revolves around whether two separate conferences should be organised or a compromise should be reached between Obasanjo and the Pro-Sovereign National Conference groups.
We of the NCP believe that it is Obasanjo that should yield ground to the superior argument of those clamouring for the election of participants, elimination of no-go-arears, the provision for a popular referendum and a general avoidance of an over-bearing government influence on the process as a whole. In other words government should play no role beyond that of serving as facilitators.
If the present NLC leadership was to keep its tradition, it should cast its lot with those calling for a deepening of democracy, compelling those in government to yield to the demand of the masses. The NLC's so called critical engagement, will in effect strengthen the hands of an obstinate government insisting on having its way even in the face of superior arguments and the dictates of popular participation in decision making. We observe that this same prevarication informed NLC's position on the so-called Ibrahim Mantu Palliative Committee a few months ago, which everybody knew right from the beginning would lead to nought.
The NCP takes delight in recognising that the Imoudu / Goodluck / Sumonu / Ciroma's tradition of the NLC is not that of participation at all costs and legitimising government's pet projects through such participation. It is our belief that the delusion that the NLC can take Obasanjo's dialogue beyond the scope defined for it by the government, is not worth the risking of the NLC's working relationship with its traditional allies. We urge the NLC to have a rethink.
Osagie Obayuwana, National Chairman, NCP, Abuja, FCT.
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quote:The issues on this board are far greater than all of us put together. Daud, MeBiafran, Greg, please lets call a truce. Lets leave the person and face the issues. - olusolaa
Well, how do I start, ok, your counsel is very reasonable suffice it by addressing the master distracter, the culprit first, Daud. I respond to people in kind since I’m not tutored in 'diplomatic' speak. Hope I made myself clear? Whatever the munchi boy asks from this fella here, he gets. That should be fair, I think.
Back to the dialogue/conference, aremu would be making the mistake of his life by not listening to the voices of the governed and scatter that country before people like this awusa boy gets his leprous hands (oops I goofed on purpose) on power again. Now, tell me the Igbo is the only ones that see these northerners for the evil they are? You in the west are expected to communicate this looming danger to obj otherwise by God's mercies; I'll be here after '07 to remind you of this mistake.
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What do you advise, Nwa-Afor? For everyone to stay back and allow the roller coaster crush us? Let me write it in upper case - OBASANJO HAS FAILED!!! I agree and most Nigerians will agree. But should we leave our common future in the hands of opportunists that are bound to highjack this gathering if the SANE ones decide to boycott? A minister of the gospel once wrote:
quote: Good and evil are not opposites. Evil is a limitation of good. Evil is the absence of good. The lack of good is where evil will thrive
Have a good day/night as the case may be.
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I bow to you superior reason. It is just hard for me to endure an attack on the stalwart MeBiafran. He is a straight-shootin' brother who calls it like he sees it. I happen to see it in much the same way he does. We have been making our case on this board concerning the religious differences that will be the nemesis of the proposed conference(I hope I'm wrong but don't bet on it). It may not be apparent on the surface as we talk about fair ethnic representation, a new and fair census, resource sharing, etc.,but I believe the positions taken on these issues will fall along religious lines when one looks closely at the thing. Pointing out this aspect about the proposed conference has brought ire upon myself and our respected brother from those who feel some embarassment about what we have been saying, hence the personal diatribes witnessed on this board of late. However, your honorable admonitions will not go unheeded by yours truly, and though I cannot speak for the intrepid MeBiafran, I believe he will be like-minded.
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If Obasanjo can not see reason and convene a Soverign National Conference, where we can discuss everything, from the structure of our union to a workable system, accountability from past leaders. Then there is no need lending any form of credibility to an exercise that we all know will be conviniently discarded. Why waste time and money.
Why should OBj set road blocks and limit what could be discussed?
It is better to boycot this talk, may this will make him have a rethink and convene an SNC. If we dance to all his tunes, then we have given him the license to give us all a sucker punch.
Let opportunist hijack the dialogue. We know who they are and at the time of reckoning they shall give account.
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quote: However, your honorable admonitions will not go unheeded by yours truly, and though I cannot speak for the intrepid MeBiafran, I believe he will be like-minded. - Greg
Well said, brother. I agree although it gives me no joy when I sink as low as some of our detractors, albeit one of my elders once told me that in order to vaporize an irritant, it might be necessary to climb down to his level to administer a well deserved hard lashes, say 36 strokes of the cane "agnu/utali." LOL.
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Just as you predicted. By thumbing their nose upon our rest, the northern elements confirm what people who see them as jihad/violence driven. From the above, we conclude the final outcome of this "conference," not much (I hope I'm wrong). They don't mind the simple fact that we, the southerners, are the pillars holding that banana country and not them. Show me any islamic nation that is civilized and have democratic principles imbued in their system, NONE!
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Brother, here we go again. These guys don't intend on letting go of power without a fight. They are even now making their plans to repeat their performance of 1962 when they employed massive fraud and deception to make themselves appear twice as many as they were.The following quote is from the link you provided.
quote:The northern elders also deliberated on the on-going national census programme. They feared that the computers planned for use during the exercise could be manipulated.
Ali said: "A report to the meeting by Alhaji M. D. Yusufu and Alhaji Ahmadu Kurfi gave a background and history of the past census exercise in the country".
He stated: "In considering the report, members accepted that a massive mobilisation exercise should be undertaken by states and local governments to sensitise everybody to the vital importance of census as a basis for economic and social planning and political representation".
He added: "The council urged the chairman and leadership of ACF to arrange a meeting with Northern governors to see how best to ensure the success of the census exercise".`
It's clear that something is afoot in Kaduna. Just what it may be, you be the judge. Let's look at what our fathers wrote about the census of 1962.
quote: Also in 1962, and again in 1963, Nigerians tried for the first time to count themselves. What should ordinarily be a statistical and dull exercise was, because of the nature of the Constitution, turned into a fierce political struggle. The official figures established by these censuses have been discredited.Federal elections followed in December, 1964—elections which have been described as the most farcical in our history. Candidates were either kidnapped, killed or forced to withdraw from the elections. Results announced were in direct opposition to the actual facts. The Southern parties had boycotted the election, and the deadlock which followed brought the country near to dissolution. The situation was patched up; the conflagration was brought under control, but its embers lay smouldering.
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Nobody gives you your freedom really! you take it! The Hausa-Fulani caliphate and whatever yes-men they might find in some other tribes wouldn't bat an eyelid if things were to continue the way they are. They will keep preaching 'one nigeria' as long as they are the ones benefittting from the ill-fated marriage of 1914.
I strongly believe that the extent to which the oppressor can go is ironically determined by the oppressed. This is the time for us to rise up in whatever form necessary and tell the mallams that enough is enough!
I pray for the Ojukwus in every southern tribe, to know that now is the time of reckoning! Now is the time to stand firm and finish the job that was unfortunately thwarted in 1970. Now is the time to ask for a SNC and not some OBJ-Arewa masterminded charade in the form of a national debate.
Should OBJ and his masters refuse to let us have what is rightfully ours, then the time for us to unleash our anger on the parasites is ripe. They need to be thought a lesson. Maybe they need to know that a lot has changed since the first revolution - warfare has!
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Let me extend my fondest congratulations to you on your ascension to the zenith of advocacy, Avocate Superieur. You did it with uncompromising character and singular style.
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Now that the Delta state assembly have decided to fight the $6 billion dollar LNG project proposed for Ondo state.While the gas would be piped from Delta state oil fields. Delta state the biggest oil producing state has no major oil installation except for the Warri refinery. The smallest of the nation`s four refineries.
One wonders what these guys are planning for the future in Nigeria.All the heavy industries, power plants,new bitumen licences,new seaports and export processing zones are being concentrated between the Ondo-Ogun axis funded hurriedly by the FG.While the gas to supply these heavy industries would be piped from Delta and Rivers state.While those states have effectively fallen out of the FG list for investment.
I hope this confab makes it a law to invest relevant industries in the communities/regions where the required raw materials exist.
The FG has taken the place of Britain as chief exploiter of the colonies. Delta State is now only a colony to be milked dry. The oil and gas producing states of the South are being looted by the ruthless corruption of the Muslim dictators. It will takes more than hopes to stop these thieves. They will use violence if necessary to continue their rape of the South until Southerners are left with nothing but spoiled lands and polluted rivers and waterways.
I'm glad to hear of the Deltans resistance to this theft. Southerners are finally waking up to their future, and the future of their children, and doing something about it. We must support their efforts in any way we can.
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Deltan wealth in this case is being vandalized by yoroba olusegun obasanjo. His yoroba town Ondo hardly produces any oil. Next door in the Delta region are empervorished oil-rich communities. Now olusegun obasanjo in his sneaky "shofisticated" yoroba ways, wants to build a $6billion gas project in his yoroba town, and will pipe and utilize Deltan oil to supply this plant.
Do you see how "shofisticated" and wicked the yoroba and the nigerians are? ONly war will end all the attacks on Biafra.
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Last two weeks, I was at the departure lounge of Nnamdi Azikiwe airport Abuja waiting for a flight to Lagos. Bad weather had caused the delay of several flights. And so the lounge was brimming with agitated passengers. I squeezed myself into a seat opposite two middle-aged men, friends obviously, who looked and sounded boisterous as if their contract bids had just passed Oby Ezekwesili’’s Due Process. Indeed it was the mention of Oby’’s name by one of them that riveted my interest in their friendly bad-mouthing, what we call njakiri or yabbis.
The one with abeti aja cap was yabbing the other: "Your people are now controlling the economy. Oby Ezekwesili, Madam Due Process, decides what contracts are approved. The Minister of Finance is your sister. You are at the head of Central Bank, NAFDAC and……". But the man in red cap cut him short. "My brother, late MKO Abiola had the most apt name for what you are saying. My people are just holding the cow while someone else is milking it!" And they roared with laughter at the recall of Abiola’’s legendary repertoire of proverbs and wise-sayings. "Tell me", continued the red cap man, "How many new banks have my people established because of Soludo? Do you think that the Minister of Finance finances my people’’s business? Or don’’t you know that the victims of NAFDAC are mostly my people?" To which abeti aja man quickly added: "Because they control fake drugs business!". Now more people were taking interest, judging from the guffaw all around.
"You are right", admitted the red cap man. "But you have cleverly avoided the fact that you control the life-wire of the economy. Baba is the Petroleum Minister and Commander-in Chief. You know what that means. You are on top of NNPC. How many of my people are there at the top management level? I even hear that in the new recruitment exercise 30,000 applications came from Ogun state alone! You are heading the PPPRRA or whatever they call it. Even the Secretary is your brother.
The two major oil marketers setting the price with PPPRRA are your brothers. Over sixty per cent of the oil servicing companies, where the real billions are made is in your hands. The so-called oil multi-nationals pa pa are controlled by you! And do you know what? The MT African Pride enquiry has revealed that you have also seized the illegal bunkering business!" The two and every body around them, exploded in laughter. But the announcement of a flight compelled a momentary silence, and then a scramble. But not without a man adding as he dashed for his flight, "that was a good national conference!"
I was forced to ruminate on this airport "national conference" last week as I watched President Obasanjo announce the establishment of a US$ 70 billion Liquified Natural Gas project in Ogun State. According to the President, the Ogun LNG project will be the largest in the world! The Ogun project is in addition to the earlier announcement by the NNPC Group Managing Director, Funsho Kupolokun, a native of Ondo, of the citing of an LNG project in Ondo state.
I laughed as I remembered the airport red cap man. I wished I could put him and his abeti aja friend together once more for a "national conference". Ondo State apart from producing the NNPC Group Managing Director at least produces condensate. But Ogun State? It only produced the President! I don’’t know which of these two states produces natural gas. The logic seems to be, if you can pipe crude to Kaduna, you can pipe gas to Ogun and Ondo!
Abia and Imo states are both Oil and Gas producers, and are mercifully members of the Niger Delta Development Commission. Owerri still bears the legacy of the earliest exploration of oil by the then Shell D’arcy. Shell Camp Owerri is still a living evidence. But in the citing of petro-chemical industries nationwide, the Federal Government continues to follow the post-civil war blueprint that informed the citing of iron and steel complexes in the seventies.
The entire South-East was excluded. In the development of airports, the South-East was again neglected. If the Enugu airport were not there before the war, there probably would not have been one, except the people undertook to build one for themselves, as was the case with the present Igwebuike, now Sam Mbakwe, airport Owerri! This war of attrition fought against the South-East with federal infrastructure continues with the total deliberate neglect of federal roads in the entire East.
Since the seventies, there has been an agitation for a petro-chemical complex in Oguta. But the Federal Government considered it an anathema. What qualifies Ondo and Ogun to have the world’’s largest LNG for which that zone is being turned to an export free zone other than that the men currently at the helm of the oil industry are from there? One day I was on the KAKAKI programme on AIT, when one obviously inebriated caller started abusing me on air for discussing resource control.
What resources do the Igbos have, he asked? I was forced to quietly remind him that most of the oil fields in the Niger Delta today were carved out of Igboland and given to the Niger Delta in an economic boundary gerrymandering supervised by Justice Mamman Nasir. The strategy was to secure as many of the oil wells as possible with the minorities, away from the reach of the secessionists! In the process many oil wells in Abia were, for many years, adjudged as in no-man’’s-land. Still Abia and Imo are today very significant in oil and gas production with at least four different oil multi-nationals operating there!
Honestly, I do not envy Ondo or Ogun state for their luck. Indeed envy is not one of my vices. I have long ceased bothering about or expecting any justice from the Federal Government. After all, late Ajie Ukpabi Asika, a great friend of President Obasanjo, had long established the principle that onye ube ruru ya rachaa! Those who are rubbished and who must bear the shame of the continued exclusion of the South-East from the core of the economy of the nation are those so-called leaders from the zone who swear with the name of whoever appoints them to offices, and seduce their people into false expectations from vengeful federal allies! Where are Obasanjo’’s apostles of yesterday, who swore to the people of South-East that their roads are being repaired? Who will speak up for the South-East on this parochial distribution of the petro-chemical complexes? Senate President Wabara?
quote:Now that the Delta state assembly have decided to fight the $6 billion dollar LNG project proposed for Ondo state.While the gas would be piped from Delta state oil fields. Delta state the biggest oil producing state has no major oil installation except for the Warri refinery. The smallest of the nation`s four refineries.
One wonders what these guys are planning for the future in Nigeria.
They should wage a vigorous fight after all this crap is turning into in your face what can you do joke. Isn’t it idiotic policy to have a product from one locale pumped or stolen to a far and away one simply because those temporary in charge feel they can? “One wonders what these guys are planning for the future in Nigeria.” Actually, they’re planning NOTHING! If indeed they have any plans they did realize that once a new government takes over, the gas pump will be shutoff straight up! Or better the imminent demarcation of that country will result in the automatic closure of the free gas lifeline.
quote:They will use violence if necessary to continue their rape of the South until Southerners are left with nothing but spoiled lands and polluted rivers and waterways. – Greg. …ONly war will end all the attacks on Biafra. – Amadi O.
No doubt “violence” should be anticipated and I say bring the freaking thing on! Nigeria is seriously overdue for some matter of fact violence. And to Amadi, I totally agree and Isah Allah – God willing, that’s what will happen. I’m tired of this hide and seek game, let’s get it over with NOW! What the northern elements fail to see is the “New World Order,” the new way of doing things. No western country will come to their aid when things heat up that’s one. Our Yoruba neighbors that supported them in the past have seen their cruel and crude application of double standard through abacha’s tyranny. Need I mention the Tivs and other ethnic minorities ala, Ogoni, Warri etc who equally tasted hell under the islamic government for the last ten years? Gowon, Danjuma and co. only few years ago openly admitted to being misled for that war. They opined that the arab north’s' aim was to islamize through jihad/war and as Christians they now feel remorse for their roles. So, when these clueless northerners flex saggy muscles, they need to be made aware of what time it is - 2005 AND NOT 1966!
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I would like for you to explain your statement below
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I wonder what papers you have been reading and where you get all your ridiculous ideas from. For the record, OBJ is not from Ondo.
I don't see anything ridiculous about Amadi O.'s ideas, never mind where baba iyabo is from. It's still a Yoruba state. Why would anybody build a plant hundreds of miles from the source of its raw materials, huh? huh? What's up wit dat?
And if everything is fine, why are the Deltans resisting this grand boondoggle?
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