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I have always maintained that democracy Western style can never and will never work in many African Countries. Before White man, we had democracy Igbo land, is called Age grade, town union, amala and igwe buike. However this idea of imposing people who could not win even in their own household on us, is the reason we have people like obasanjo. is funny that idiots like Obasanjo are parading themselves as world leaders.
Are you saying this in a literal sense or using imagery?
2)Africans other than Igbos will receive some sort of punishment.
Could you please explain your meaning here. What kind of punishment? and from whom?
Your other advice is noted.
1. It was very animalistic when Africans at the defunct OAU came up with the colonial borders rule. They knew that Whites had made most of them that way to trap ethnic groups at war togethor. You know that they did that everwhere right? In Iraq the Kurds must live with Arabs. In India the ethnics must live togethor. They diddnt want Pakistan to leave the union. But neither did Whites but did that make any sense? Somalilanders have done very well but because of Africans trying to block them they get no recognition. Africans think that just because they like to serve Whites everyone else should. WELL THATS WRONG. The Igbos attemping to leave Nigeria was defiance to Whites. It was the right thing. Africans who tried to block them show'd their stupidity. The whole argument of instability and civil war makes no sense. How will not allowing enemies to avoid each other cut down on civil wars? Who in their right mind would try to block Somaliland? Did it also occur to you that say a fight over the governence of a country between say Kikuyu and Kamba might hurt Somalis or Luo caught in between just because they are apart of that country? If Africans are cowards they should stay out of the buisness of toughter Africans with dignity. Their interference caused trhe fall of the Asante and Zulus because they dont get the "hands off" off rule. 2. Someone must punish Africans for interfering or blocking the claims of independence by Somaliland, Biafra, Cabinda, Ashantia, and others. Anyone with the gaw and insulence to try and stop those from making their lives and ETHNIC PEOPLE good deserve to be punished greatly. Leaving people in the rain is one thing but helping to make things worst is impudence that his beyong belief. Africa has constantly refuced to stop blocking those who try to correct White wrong doings designed to last we;; into independence. Attemps to block those trying to correct those deserved to be punished by means comparible to the apocalypse.
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quote: If you were at all smart you would've asked for Soviet help. You should've promised them anything or the US anything
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quote: You may kill but bI believe you Igbos arnt animals like other Africans and I believe civilized Africans must be seperated from the rest in order to spare u of punishment. I suggest you look up Somaliland Republic for info
Why on earth do people like you think you can sell dummies to people like us, Africans. Today the "Igbos aren't animals like other Africans" obviously because there's oil to be exploited in Igboland and arms can be sold in abundance should another war be started???!!! So all other Africans are ANIMALS?!!! The Somaliland (the place is not even a country as they have no recognized government for years) that you referred to, who benefited from the crazy war that the west engineered and fueled? Is it not the suppliers of arms and ammunitions from US and Russia? Are the Somalis better off? If you don’t have any better suggestion for solving our problems, please "meshi onu" up and leave us in peace.
To my Igbo brothers, Onwu egbuchughi ji e jiri chu aja, e mesie o pue ome.
Dont misquote me u imbecile! Somaliland HAS NOTHING. BELIEVE ME THEY CHECKED and they've got nothinnn. But they still need to be seperated from Somalia. They were independent six days before Somalia in 1960. If Africans want help them due to stupid beliefs then that deserves some type of punish ripe with brutality. THE STUPIDY CAN NOT STAND! I DONT CARE ABOUT IGBO OIL. I know you can act in order and I know you are educated and can give your race a GOOD name. That my friends is PRICELESS. I read Achebe's book about you all awhile ago when I was in Ninth grade. I like your culture. The bottom line is oil or not you must seperate. The fact that you can handle having oil like adults is defffinently a plus. Now before you give me the "yes the goverment should here you" or "you keep the dream alive" or "those are the truths everyone should know" you must realize this is NOT your usual baseless teethless African pep talk. Give up these conferences! You must FIGHT WITH VIOLENCE to seperate from Nigeria. In Africa you think I mean fight with protests. NOOOOOOOOO I MEAN FIGHT FOR REAL. Africans protest way to much. It does no good =but when you keep trying regardless you look like ignorant women. If IT MEANS GENOCIDE you must do it. You must revive Africa. You must win that war and then go about crippling Nigeria. You must masscre non stop. This is no joking matter so wake up. Your stupid boycotts are rediculous. IT MUST BE A REAL FIGHT. YOU MUST LEARN THIS. EVERY NON-AFRICANS KNOWS THIS. No more comprimising. INDEPENDENCE OR BUST.
bIAFRA Shut the hell up u dont maintain ****...
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I'll give you credit for trying to answer my questions. I was curious at the time as to the manner of your thinking. Also I must thank you for ostensibly supporting Biafran independence. Nevertheless I see you disregarded my advice when I wrote...
quote: Only then can it be just and prudent to send one's sons and brothers into harm's way. That said, your post seems to lack a thorough understanding of what is at stake in a violent conflict, and also the consciousness of human suffering as a result of war. I counsel you to seek the advice of some learned person, that you may begin to correct the precipitous nature of your expressed strong feelings about the blind initiation of hostilities, without the recourse to knowledge or reason. When you have done this perhaps your posts will make better sense.
For you see, I can't make heads or tails of what your were talking about in your last post. Please, this is a serious discussion advocates are having on this thread. I ask you not to introduce nonsense into their deliberations. If you must vent, perhaps you should try the thread "COMIC PRONOUNCEMENTS." The title, at least, is more suitable to the manner and content of your posts. Better yet, you could open a thread of your own. Might I suggest a name for it? I think the title "NONSENSE AND UTTER BULL****" would be perfect. I will also ask the webmaster if a forum for juveniles could be arranged. I'm sure you will feel quite at home there.
Otni...oops, I mean, Confederate, I notice that after only two days at BNW, you seem to know your way around quite well, and you have already insulted two of the most respected members of this entire fora, without any real provocation. Olusolaa and Biafra are assets to all of us at BNW, but you are expendable. Might I ask you to mind your manners for the duration of your stay here, however long or short that may be. If you want to mentally joust with intellectuals, you must show yourself to be one. In this your comments have been woefully lacking, and so far, have only provided comic relief to our otherwise serious discussions. As for your comments seeking to place stumbling blocks in our path by denigrating Africans and falsely claiming some sort of reverence for Igbos, in the hope that others will hate Igbos, such comments are a pitiful failure, and in all probability, a mirror image of their source. Unless you can thoughtfully contribute to a discussion, I will in future have to ignore your posts, for the benefit of other advocates, who have been distracted by you and might consider you a pest. Farewell.
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Greg are you mad? I insulted Biafra because he speaks that same mumbo jumbo cowardice all you Africa's used to speak to White people during colonialism. If you took my gotdamn advice there would be a Biafra. You calling my post utter ******** explains why you people faught for the Whites in WW2 while Asians, Lebanese, and Syrians, and Iraqis were trying to betray them and take advantage of their weakness. You truly are an insult. If Black people in America werent related to you Blacks wouldnt march we'd fight for our rights. Look the whole ******** you said about Africa hating you is ignorant. If they wouldnt save you from being massacred in 1966 why the **** would u want their respect? Why diddnt Japan need every Asian country during World War II to fight? Why do u insist on African unity when you cant even get along with other ethnic groups? I was in no way kidding about what I said and if you were dumb enough to think so it explains why you keep letting ******** conferences continue after your international ass whoopin in 1970. Where do you get your stupidity? You look up to Whites I just know it. Your the type of coon to ignoore Nkrumah declaring himself president-4-life and rambling about all his atributes as a statesmen and his theft in socialist clothing. Biafra is a fool and he is naive as any women. This is why you people loose race wars in Sudan. YEA I SAID RACE WAR and ur loosing big time! When you get a lick of commonsense then you speak to me. Until then enjoy your following at the Women's shelter!
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Whoever you are, there's a rule called the rule of SPLA in English, try and learn it before coming back to this board. I will not HONOUR you with any more replies. "Olosi Aki dani dani" (Get someone to interprete that for you, its Yoruba)
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This is getting real interesting. I'm still cautiously following events as they unravel. As for olusolaa and Biafra, they're big boys, they can hold their grounds I'm sure so the insult does not amount to much, I think. Maybe I should enjoy the little respect I'm getting so far because it could easily have been yours truly then a swift penetrating response is what the offender gets.
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For the most part I think I'm going to let the guy alone. He is is own worst enemy. I just don't want to run everybody off the thread while insults are thrown. As you know I am an offender in that regard. It's better for all of us this way if we can maintain.
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Greg that "im so dignified" mumbo jumbo logic is why the US's date of Independence is 1776, Haiti's is 1801 Nigeria's is the ever so pathetic 1960 and Biafra's is the ever so worse 1967. Get a clue. Only you can stop the next 1966 to happening to Igboes and its so obvious you havent the courage to do that. Just leave my country. The last thing America needs is jobbers to an empire..
MeBifran what have you done to deserve insults? Nothing so I will not insult you.
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You cant even stop muslims from putting Arabic on ur money. Now ur gonna threatan me? Wow Im o scared. You gonna protest me to death? hahahaha
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quote:MeBifran what have you done to deserve insults? Nothing so I will not insult you. - Confederate
Thanks but in the past one angry chap has insulted me for no apparent reason. Let’s keep it a bit friendlier this time around though.
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I wasn't that chap. You'll find that fuiry and incontrol arn't always a pair. I only want you to realize that no one cares about African unity except for Botswana, Lesotho, Tuisia, and Eritrea. You know why? Because the ethnic groups have their own countries and subsequently feel egual on a continental scale. THE ethnic groups of Nigeria will NEVER respect or trust you regardless of who is African. It would be highly dangerous and negligent to remain apart of Nigeria. Also because of your links to Biafra you should know by now that the international community only wants to cripple Africa and leave in vurneable to neo-colonialism.
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quote: Also because of your links to Biafra you should know by now that the international community only wants to cripple Africa and leave in vurneable to neo-colonialism.
Your posting above is the main reason why some of us think we would be stronger together. I however won't fool myself to think that we can remain stronger if inequity and inequalities prevail. There's a great imbalance in the present system and only a THIEF will argue otherwise.
So, what’s the solution CORRECT the imbalance by ensuring:
1. True federalism and resource control or at least 50% derivation payment to the areas of derivation
2. Rotational Presidency - yes, it’s not a mistake, I'm an advocate of rotational presidency starting from the South-East, then to the South-South etc. Let me tell you a story. TRUE LIFE STORY, NOT A FABLE: •There’s a maiguard on a friend’s street in Lagos. He earns 8 thousand naira per month. I understand he goes to the north to farm during the farming seasons. The story – he has 4 wives and 12 children. None of the women is up to 20 years old. So, he’ll most likely give birth to more.
Now, the morals of my story – there’s no way, Ceteris Paribus, the man from South-South or South-East or South-West will contest against the man from the North and win. Forget Abiola and June 12, Abiola started his campaign over 14 years prior to that election and spent TOO MUCH MONEY to facilitate his winning and at the end of the day what happened. Obasanjo?! We all know how he won the election.
We are also not matured enough to let go. There’s a passive agreement at power rotation between Republicans and Democrats in US whether they like to acknowledge it or not. When the minority French Canadians (mainly in Quebec) were agitating for a nation state because of marginalization, English Canadians made some concessions, including conceding the office of the Prime Minister to them, and they all lived happily ever after.
My drift – I think we need a Conference of all Nationalities (I don’t like the word tribe, its derogatory) where we will agree on how we should live together. If you like call it Sovereign National Conference. Something better than Obasanjo's half-bread.
•The Muslim in the North has the right to be governed by the Sharia, the Christian in the South should also be free to get governed by the Law of Moses or even traditional laws that say everything on my land (including oil) belongs to the land owner, not even the state!!! What is sauce for the goose….. •If a man can have his hands cut off for taking alcohol in the North, then excise, VAT and taxes derivable from the sale of alcohol should not be included in the federation account and used to develop Abuja – Kaduna Expressway!!! Hypocrisy of the highest order…… •If money can be taken from the ecological fund to fight the ocean surge at Lagos bar beach and desert encroachment in the North, the gullies in the East deserves equal attention!!! Where is our sense of fairness……
If I see God today, I have only one wish. For him to restore our sense of fairness. That is all we need to have as Nigerians.
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I'm sure you would agree with me about the difficult entails to add more to someone's (you) well researched post as above. So, let me just say a big and hearty THANK YOU!
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My brother I have more. Its only a THIEF that will pretend that Nigeria is balanced. The most unfortunate thing is that the imbalance is not even favouring those that are supposed to be benefiting. The average Northerner is 100 times poorer than his Western or Eastern counterpart because the quest for oil money has led to their leaders dumping agriculture. Western leaders are also not looking inward because of their typical prebendal rent seeking drive. There were 20 local governments each in Lagos and the old Kano states at the close of 1983. Kano was subsequently partioned and part taken to jigawa and Katsina States. Today, Kano has 44 local governments and Lagos still has 20!!!
I know there are more, may be better examples, but I stated the ones I'm farmiliar with, I know there are worse scenarios.
I will like Nigeria to remain one, SUBJECT TO equality and equity, but lets remember what wrecked George Orwell's Animal Farm - the rule that ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS. People may think Yorubas are better of, don't be surprised that the next revolution may be from Yorubaland.
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Olu you have brought up very good points. I however dont understand what you mean when you said my post is reasoning to bring people togethor. Which ppl? That story you told diddnt make much sense. What that person a political figure? The ideas you had were good but they are still naive because non-Igbos would find something wrong. The people in your country are blood enemies Olu. Your like a Croat and a Serb trying to share a country as oposed to a Serb and a Montenegrin. The difference is that why people in Serbia and people in Montenegro are different not by much and they like each other. All Yugoslavs are South Slavs but still only the Serbs and Montenegrins get along. Kind of like the lone set of twins in a family of 10 with 8 little kids always fighting. As for Quebec I dont think you understand the difference between the pasiveness of the former White Dominions and the pasiveness of African countries. In the White Dominions of New Zealand, Australia, and Canada we have got people who are pretty liberal these days. Their countries are dull. These countries dont fight wars and are more likely to be populated with people who are anti-war, anti-America, and pro-immigration. You see these arnt real countries because the Whites in them have found that the natives owned plenty of resources and have gone about using them for their selves. Also England let these countries go either in the early 1900s or in Canada's face 1865 or '67. Usualy England would preasure them to join in the World Wars. Why the rest of the World was inprissoned they were sitting their all safe qand not understanding the rest of the Worlds gripes and struggles. It made them dumbly innocent. These are the first countries that will try to get you to talk because they have been so babied they dont understand fighting at times is needed. Thats why they tried to talk things out with Quebec because those nations are all about comprimise and are no were near the league of White Americans or European imperialists. They dont fight. Unlike my state of North Carolina which had to fight to leave, Quebec can just vote because people of the White Dominions just dont have that passion for fighting. Africa is passive. You were passive with Whites and they took your land. You were passive with Whites and forgot to take advantage of them when the Central and Axis Powers where running them over or vice versa. Buganda was passive and the Brits preasured the Kabaka are whatever their monarch is called to stay with Uganda for reasons only a White bastard up to know good would know. As a result they paid for that when their autonomy was abolished and Idi Amin rose to power. Granted he invaded Tanzania but if he did likewise to Buganda it would not have lasted. Because Africans were passive Tutusis paid for this. Belgium was alowed to keep them until 1962 because the Tutsis like their charmed lives. Well because of that Tutusis and Hutus ended up togethor in Burundi and Rwanda. You see Belgium was going to make one group independent in 1958 but they held out and everyone paid for it with the Rwandan genocide. Of course another one would be Tanzania in WWI. Tanzania then known as GERMAN EAST AFRICA was along with the Ottoman Empire the only member of the Central Powers and only part of Germany still winning WWI! However, Tanzanians alowed themselves to be held down until 1961. If only they had asked Paul Lettow-Vorbeck to keep fighting for independence TanZANIA Wouldve been freed between 1915-18. Instead Tanzania waited and is the failare you see today. Your passiveness involves setting there and letting the international community do stuff to you all support your dictators and hold you til the 1960s. The UN forced Namibia to be SA's colony. The UN forced Somalia to be Italy's colony from 1950-60. The passiveness you have is when you allow your teethless dictators to destroy your nations. Mabutu and Amin were never excuted yet Musolini was?? In some African countries the ousted dictators just go and live unguarded in the country side or cities without reprisal. In Nigeria you keep calling for commision and conferences NONSTOP even though you know each one will fail. You all live in fantasy worlds...Your people in Africa try nothing to truly get rid of your dictators. If Romanians could in 1989 why cant you all? Their leader was far worse.
Biafra you were saying "old habit is hard to break?" You mean old habits are hard to break. You sound like the regular typical supersticious African who acts silly and goofy like a playful simpleton. You do nothing but make your people look silly and make many more ask when you people truly ever get serious. Inland Empire? I dont know what the hell that is but I bet your just glad to be there..stupid refugees..arn't they something...?
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quote:The passiveness you have is when you allow your teethless dictators to destroy your nations. Mabutu and Amin were never excuted yet Musolini was?? In some African countries the ousted dictators just go and live unguarded in the country side or cities without reprisal. In Nigeria you keep calling for commision and conferences NONSTOP even though you know each one will fail. You all live in fantasy worlds...Your people in Africa try nothing to truly get rid of your dictators. If Romanians could in 1989 why cant you all? Their leader was far worse. - Confederate
Comments such as this should encourage us to put on our thinking cap, people. In the midst of annoying post, one could also find some good points or hidden message that we ought to look into. By letting African dictators get away with murderous orgies and their stealing sprees, we inadvertently encourage the next dictator to break his predecessor's record knowing that nothing will happen. With that said, I totally align with the quote.
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Annoying post??? The truth you mean! But even when you do have goood leaders some stupid junior private will lead young officer in rebelion for no gotdamn clear reason.
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