quote:It is vicious haters like you who create problems between genuine African Americans and our African brothers and sisters
Brother, I'm not a vicious hater, and it's not me that creates the problems you speak of, but it is the fact that many African-Americans are just plain uninformed about our African kin, who are highly diverse, and many peoples, not just one, as African-Americans seem to imagine. Worse still, many A-A's don't seem to realize this deficit in their understanding, nor yet seem willing to educate themselves to reduce it. Neither Africans or African-Americans have the time to teach you if you won't at least begin the task for yourself. The resources are here. Excuse me again for being unduly mean, Antoine, but it redounds to your advantage, because I wouldn't normally be so careful in the way I address people who seem not to be willing to do the hard work of informing themselves. I consider my debt to you paid in full.
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If you are Igbo, I strongly suggest you voluntarily renounce your citizenship and get a nigerian name if you want to have any credibility and respect as an Igbo hater. With a load of information available here on Biafra and its birth, which, as a typical nigerian, you have chosen to ignore, I will not waste my time to recommend additional re-education plan to help free you from the mental abuse you have suffered in the hands of semi-literate yoroba/hausa criminals and Igbo haters who run the nigerian state. I will not even ask you to have some respect for Odumegwu Ojukwu or the Igbo Way, and those who are intellectually superior to you. In the nigerian world, which you seem to be proud of, the sanctity of truth, respect for Biafra, respect for superior argument or the scientific way, is culturally discouraged, in favor of ignorance and arrogance, similar to the trash you have written here. Why is nigeria stuck in the stone age?
But I will however advice you to change your name; that way, when you set out to spite Igbo/Biafra, Ojukwu, logic and empirical science, you will be recognized as a true nigerian -- that dark, helpless humanoid population in West Africa that can't survive without "Yandon" imports, and have no use for the Igbo or science, and therefore condenmed to Stone Age life.
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I have been trying to avoid commenting on this APGA fiasco. The main reason for my silence was that I wanted to get as much information as possible before commenting. Also, I was not sure I would want to comment against Ojukwu no matter what. But, now, all the information I have, including information from APGA members suggests to me that it is time for Ojukwu to step aside. I don't see how it can still be done honoraby. If Chekwas has not already done so, he should expel Ojukwu from APGA immediately, and begin to rebuild the party without Umeh and Tim Menakaya.
Menakaya was a PDP man who fell out favor with Obasanjo and was removed as Health Minister. He suddenly discovered APGA and started running around as an "Igbo nationalist." The people that put Menakaya in power in PDP were Igbo saboteur friends of Obasanjo. They were the people that put the knife in Biafra's back. I have no sympathy for them. Ojukwu's alliance with them is at best unholy. He should retrace his steps, or he will lose everything.
Just my two cents.
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The predictions of our dear lady Jewel are coming to pass! Mr Ojukwu knows that his days as THE igbo icon are over. So now it's "money-grabbing" time for him. The millions which he inherited from his father evidently are not enough for him.
I bet come 2007 when Ojukwu will be one of the Nigerian governors / ministers, he'll be busy sending mobile policement to Igbo-Land to "combat separatist uprisings".
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There have been instances unkind and demeaning things were said by almost everyone in here, let me however, say to you yet again that I've no scintilla of hate towards you. My “Trade” does not permit me to hate although at times I come on strong, but that in itself should not be construed as hateful. If we were to sit down over some serious Oxtail Pepper Soup, you’ll be rolling all over yourself in laughter because I’m just a jolly old fellow who do not appreciate INJUSTICE of any type from no one.
Unfair numbers of your posts do not meet my expectations of objective writings due to your innate bias even after you were challenge to tow addy’s path by maintaining objectivity. For you, it’s about Igbo, Ojukwu, Biafra yet you claim to love nigeria, right? Good! Any reason then why the N1.5 billion stolen by tafa balogun never got your attention? Or the N300 billion squandered by tony aninih? Does it mean you don't care about how the resources that could be better put to the peoples’ use are siphoned into personal accounts? If you care, where’s your dissent, where’s the outrage? Also the participation of highly placed naval chiefs from the west over the oil bunkering vessel that was intercepted awhile back skipped your pen/keyboard, why? These are matters that affect the way outside world view your country yet it never bothered you? I wish you had remained as othniel instead of the numerous handles you invented and continue to just to repeat the What is the literal meaning of bini (LOL) stuff.
You write well even though I detest the contents I still give it to you so, quit the child's play and let's engage as men to find a way out of the bad governance. But please be assured that you are under no gag to spare Ojukwu, myself or anyone that is found culpable of illegality vis-à-vis, stealing, murder, embezzlement, poor governance and more. Deal? BTW: Good thing happened since your unceremonious absence, olusolaa took over addy’s spot.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2482 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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quote:...yet you claim to love nigeria, right?...MeBiafran
WRONG! Dead wrong, man!
MeBiafran, try and readthis. There you will find my views on this Beast called Nigeria. Nigeria is an artificial unworkable badly constructed abomination, constructed by Europe to eternally remain backwards.
Where did you read me writing that I "love" Nigeria?
The names of the nigerian thieves you've mentioned are well known. My emphasis is on the literal meaning of the word Biafra. Nothing more and nothing less. I did not register at BNW to discuss well known nigerian thieves, but to discuss about the real Biafra/Biafara of the 16th, 17th and 18th century.
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quote: Where did you read me writing that I "love" Nigeria?
Please accept my sorry I took your Igbo bash to mean love for nigeria since it has been proven that the only time nigerians show love for her is during their Igbo/Biafra/Ojukwu bashing. I guess I'm wrong. You know your gift of writing could be used to keep those responsible for this "beast" of a country in perpetual check so, why don't you give it a constant try? You're alright with me just let go of the infatuating gyration.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2482 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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To keep the beast in check, the victims of the Beast must be in one accord. Igbo people must realize where the true origin of their plight lies. The mighty tribesmen and tribeswomen from the african igbo/yoruba/hausa/bini/fulani/ (etc)tribes are the victims of European Imperialism.
If the Israeli Jews can receive reparational payment for crimes committed unto them in the 1940's, what of Africans who were still directly exploited by Europe up till the 1960's and 1970's? If African-American lawyers can take the US government to court for crimes committed unto them during the Atlantic Slave Trade, what of Africans?
The earlier all Africans realize this, the better.
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This board is getting really addictive for me. At times I'll vow not to come back because of the level of vituperation and caustic language in use, but then I reckon everything may become very boring without those avenues of cooling off. Laughter is the best medicine truly.
Leinto - some of us still love Nigeria as we all know there is strenght in numbers when international politics is concerned.
Even if it won't work, I believe a peaceful separation (I'm in no way accusing you of calling for a violent separation) is better than a violent one. My father (my father again?!, yes I learnt everything from him) of blessed memory used to say it is those that didn't witness the last civil war that are clamouring for a violent separation of Nigeria.
You guys qualify to be representatives at either Nigeria' Sovereign National Conference or Obasanjo's half-bread.
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quote:If the Israeli Jews can receive reparational payment for crimes committed unto them in the 1940's, what of Africans who were still directly exploited by Europe up till the 1960's and 1970's? If African-American lawyers can take the US government to court for crimes committed unto them during the Atlantic Slave Trade, what of Africans?
See, the beauty of writing and also reading with clear head? I see exactly your point; it is so bare it needs no expatiation. Although I could argue that the Jews were able to get what they rightly deserved because they were united. The African-Americans could also be said to be united but we dare not say the same about Africans we need not delve into Nigeria, it is totally cumbersome as far as your question goes. It is absolutely impossible for nigerians to work in one accord to pursue the injustices that has been melted to them by the European conquerors due to their tribal this and that. You have a great point and I suggest you make this topic or question into a new thread. Welcome.
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Our case may be like that of a proverbial hunting group that killed a very mighty elephant. Instead of going home with their spoil, they spent days fighting on how to share the meat. By the time they reached an agreement, the meat has developed maggots!
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quote:Our case may be like that of a proverbial hunting group that killed a very mighty elephant. Instead of going home with their spoil, they spent days fighting on how to share the meat. By the time they reached an agreement, the meat has developed maggots!
Olusolaa,
Where did you get that wonderful proverb? I like it. the only slight modification I'd like to make is that the elephant fell upon the hunting group and flattened the heck out of them.
When some of them became aware while under the weight of the carcass that it had started rotting and tried to alert the others, they were promptly pulled back under because some didnt mind being under the carcass, and had been getting fat off of sucking at the pus and the maggotts, (doing their eat'n, fart'n piss'n and exret'n all in close proximity) and could'nt see what the heck was all the unnecessary fuss over enjoying the meat they had afterall slain.
___________________ YA CAIN'T KEEP A GOOD MAN DOWN :) Posts: 1182 | From: TEXAS | Registered: Oct 2001
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The elephant is a graceful animal. If it dies a disgraceful death, it doesn't really matter what happens next. The maggots and flies will always be there after death. What happens after you die is beyond your control. Your job is to make sure that you live and die honorably.
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quote:...the only slight modification I'd like to make is that the elephant fell upon the hunting group and flattened the heck out of them.
You guys are out to kill me with laughter this morning, what's going on? Me too like olu's and yours.
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People on a more serious note. I kept saying I learnt from my father and reflecting on that statement made me further realise that I am what I am today because of the orientation I had while growing up. If my father were to be alive today, he would have posted about the same things I've posted on this board. While growing up, we were never told not to have Igbo or Hausa friends. We were never made to believe that one tribe is inferior to ours. I still live by those virtues, even in the face of provocation.
My father believed in justice and fairness and he played it into our ears until he died.
Now, why this history, one would ask. I know we all have (or hope to have) kids and the kind of orientation we give to them will make the difference between a fair detribalized Nigerian and a shortsighted highly opinionated Nigerian.
Please let us at every opportunity tell our kids (and everyother person we are opportuned to) that we are all created equal. What moral rights would we claim to blame Eupore of racism, white South Africa of apatheid if amongst ourselves we still call each other names and regard the other person as inferior?!
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Common proverb hin no fit understand.Just dey jump into senior discussion talking complete off point.Abeg make someone help tell am say we no dey insult elephant or the maggots,this na simple ANALOGY!!
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There are people amongst us whose sibblings or relative got married to people from other regions, are you going to hate them for doing so? If I have a brother married to an Igbo lady for example, will I hate her kids because they are half-Igbo? God forbid!
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Our problem inside this yeye country is not ethnic chauvinism but greed,hatred and mass illiteracy.You and i know that the superiority thing amongst tribes is bogus.However,mass illiteracy is daily exploited by politicians who always want to present an ethnic picture to every thing.It`s disheartening to state that the Yorubas with all the education still have a long way to go too in this regard.As for the north,their enlightenment would not happen in our life time.The Igbos are driven by a spirit to make tomorrow better than today.Thus would not mind whatever relationship with whoever,as long as it is mutually beneficial.Thus,the clamour to leave Nigeria.Not because we hate the other Nigerians(even though we know they hate us out of jealosy),but because the Nigerian relationship is tilted as a master and servant relationship or better host and parasite relationship.Thus,it doesn`t surprise us why the other Nigerians even with all their sworn hatred for Ndigbo still would not let us go our own way.
quote:There are people amongst us whose sibblings or relative got married to people from other regions, are you going to hate them for doing so?
This writer have family members married to a Yoruba fella, one married to a Calabar guy and some married to Opopo, Okirika, Nembe and Bini dudes. An uncle has been married to a Sierra Leonean lady for more than forty years now. Also, one of my cousin’s engagement to a Kogi chick was mutually aborted by her uncle who was more like the family head after her father’s death on one hand and my uncle who refused to bless the union although I blame my cousin for that mess. I dated all over the country during my hay days and also when I want to be a little bad, you know what I mean don't ya, the man thing? My point is that my immediate family does not believe in the tribal jingoism. Our northern neighbors look at the eminent split from a violent perspective but I opine that we could still part ways and be each other's keeper. For instance, if we should achieve Independent state of Biafra or Odua Kingdom, Arewa state and I happen to be the president of say the Eastern State, I'll willingly and gladly come to the aid of the Arewa state if they are unjustly threatened by a neighboring sovereignty, say, Chad or whatever. This is where mine starts and halts.
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Its unfortunate that those the politicians use in their dirty fight hardly reap from the spoils. What is needed is pressure. Pressure across all strata of the society and geographical locations. We need the likes of Wole Soyinka and Gani Fawehinmi, who has proven that they can rise above parochial feelings. Remember Soyinka was jailed for 22 months in 1967 for speaking out against the civil war. There are many Soyinkas both in the north and the West who the Igbo nation can team up with. Seeing the battle as an Igbo battle alone will give it an ethnic colouration which can be exploited by politicians who wanted the status quo to remain. I want as much a better country where there won't be "Tom and Jerrying" as you. I want my kids to grow up as NigerianS and not as Yorubas.
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quote:I want my kids to grow up as NigerianS and not as Yorubas. - olu
We all do. Growing up in Port Harcourt back in the day, I used to think that's where I hail. Our next door neighbor, Mr. Arora some like that was Yoruba who occupied a flat adjacent to ours. We lived together as brothers until the unset of the fulani jihad then they relocated back to Lagos and I never saw this goodtime fella again. Please don't take me back to the good old days. I could hear the sound of the popular highlife emanating from his flat on his Radiogramme "angelina, angelina otito wa je..."
The bold face truth is all that has been destroyed by the northern militia with their unbalanced regimes. The PTF (Petroleum Trust Fund) thing was it for me, you all. Money from the south was used for years to develop the north without anyone reminding abacha how unjust that policy was and they want us to forget all that?
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2482 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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You are on a noble path.May God grant you the fortitude and patience to take the inevitable bashing you are up against.
I lived in the North (Kano) for several years.My Dad was later to transfer to Idah in Igala land before we moved to Lagos.My youngest sister born in Idah even has an Igala name-Ojonimi.I did my NYSC in today`s Osun state(Old Oyo).If my heart throb had not relocated to Lagos during the service year,maybe i might have been saying that my wife is yoruba today.I am from Delta but i speak the central Igbo dialect more than my own dialect.I appreciate and respect noble men like you Olusolaa.My family has friends from all over Nigeria.We love them all and i am sure they love us dearly too.Nigeria would have been a very wonderful country had all the hatred and ethnic rivalries been absent.
When i say i hate Awolowo,i donot say so because he was yoruba.Infact,i admire his foresight in establishing free Education as the premier of western region.But because he more or less officially planted the tribalism seed that have grown into a deep rooted monsterous tree today.Our people would say "alu fo echi,obulu omen`ala" (If an abomination is tolerated until the next day,it becomes a tradition).That aberation that Awo introduced into the polity in his quest to become a premier has eaten so deep into every fabric of our national life like a cancer.Like every cancer therefore,the cure is exactly the same- excision.So if it takes this minute or a
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