quote: Thus far, people followed Ojukwu because of the justness of his cause and the transparency of his leadership style, which he has now clearly ultered. Ike
The Igbo cause is far greater than any bunch of individuals. Ojukwu's recent actions are disappointing. In one of his newspaper interviews, he said he was going to the National dialogue to speak for Ndi Igbo and Nigeria. As if Nigeria does not have people shouting for her. His recent remark about making APGA a national party betrays lack of insight into the real nature of nigeria's politics or at worst he might have been reading an abuja script. My little experience tells me NPP never made it beyond Igboland and Jos. UPN, PRP, AD you name it hardly crosssed their traditional areas of influence. AD demise in the rigged elections of 2003 proved that if you can't mobilise your grassroot to scare away riggers, you are as good as defeated. Yet they decided to sell out for 30 ambassadorial posts which is so similar to the current Ojukwu strategy of going national never mind he's had little success securing Anambara which APGA probably won.
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I continue to keep open mind about this whole APGA issue, however I am starting to get worried. Could it be that there is no more hope for our people. Does this means that we just have to resign our faith completely and throw in the towel. I am concerned and worried.
You would need not worried by now if you have been listening to the words of wisdom I have been preaching to for you for the past 5 years that Nigeria problem is not about Hausa/Igbo/Yoruba, rather it is about the likes of Ojukwu, and the rest of the gang who pretend to be reaching out for the masses when in actual fact they are reaching out for their pockets and family well being.
Remember Ojukwu came back from exile and he was able to negotiate the return of his family properties, and up till today there are many hundreds if not thousands of people whose properties are still tagged “abandoned property” and if you don’t know, Ojukwu is collecting gratuity from the government of Nigeria while there are thousands of the old biafran soldiers leaving in abject poverty.
I would like any of the biafranist here to answer this question: WHAT HAS OJUKWU DONE FOR THE IGBO NATION SINCE HIS RETURN FROM EXILE?
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It is not what Ojukwu has done for Igbos. It is what he symbolizes. He is still afterall a human, with all the frailities. For those that swallow all he says and does hook line and sinker; shock will be the right word for them. For those of us that recognizes what he symbolizes but refuse to succumb to the politicians trick he uses, it is no surprise. Despite it all, Ojukwu is a symbol of what the Igbos went/are going through.
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Thank you for your insight. It is what he symbolizes, not what he is today, whatever that may be. I think many people blame Ojukwu for all the troubles Nd'Igbo face in Nigeria today. They say it is his fault that we lost the war, and that he is to blame for the millions of lives lost. This reasoning has many flaws. Bear with me for a moment.
For one thing, Ojukwu probably never dreamed he would lead the Igbo nation. He had no idea that Nzeogwu and others would pull off a coup of the nation. And though the coup plotters were of many ethnicities, he had no control over Muslim opinion that Igbos were the only ones to blame. He had nothing to do with exasperating the already angry Muslims by not bringing the coup plotters to trial. I dare say, if this had been done, there might have been no war, or repraisals against Igbos in and across the nation. I could be wrong in this point, but it is a real possibility. Furthermore, even if Ojukwu, by mandate of the national assembly of Igbo Elders, had not declared Biafra a separate nation, there is no guarantee the Biafrans would not have suffered the same genocide at the hands of the Muslims. Need I remind everyone that well before Biafra succeeded, the northern Muslims had already drafted a seven-point resolution to kill as many Biafrans as possible. The particulars of this resolution is given below...(hopefully everyone knows that "Yamiri" is the word used by northern Muslims to describe Igbo people)
quote:Tribunal are still available to give evidence before this Committee if required. The recorded proceedings of the Tribunal as well as the report are too bulky for translation for example 235 witnesses gave evidence. It is pertinent to observe that the Atrocities Tribunal found as a fact that the Northern Nigeria authorities with their collaborators had devised a seven point programme aimed at a complete extermination of the then Eastern Nigerians (now Biafrans) in Northern Nigeria and other parts of the Federation. The programme is outlined as follows: 1. (a) to kill off the Major-General and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, T.J.T. Aguiyi-Ironsi (b) to kill off all the Yamiri Army Officers; (c) and subsequently purge the Army of Yamiri by killing the rest in the ranks. 2. With the aid of the Westerners in the Army, to take complete control of the Armed Forces, the Police and the Navy and to purge off the Yamiri in these Forces too. 3. To kill off and dispossess all the Yamiri domiciled in the Northern Region. 4. To use the control of the Armed Forces to take control of the country's Government. 5. To revenge Sardauna's and Abubakar's death by killing Dr. Zik, Dr. Okpara, Ojukwu and Major Nzeogwu. 6. To destroy Port Harcourt, Enugu and the University of Nigeria, Nsukka. 7. To kill all (a) Yamiri in top civil service posts; (b) all wealthy Yamiri - male and female; (c) all Yamiri educational giants; (d) all grown up males and females of Yamiri; (e) to leave out only sucklings in Yamiri land. (Tribunal Report pp. 133-134) Page 6 Contd.../
an excerpt from the COMPLAINT MADE TO THE DIRECTORATE OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE STUDY OF THE CRIMES OF GENOCIDE, commonly called the "Genocide Papers." They are maintained for posterity by Ekwe Nche.
It is clear from the above that nothing Ojukwu did, or did not do, had anything to do with the Muslims determination to massacre as many Igbos as possible, both military and civilian, male and female,and even children(these are the same folks we are at odds with today). At this point in time, Ironsi was still alive and Biafran sucession was not even an issue. Had Ojukwu not even been alive as a man, Igbos would still have faced the same threat of extermination from those who perceived them as enemies. The pouring in of masses of Igbo refugees back to the east as a result of the above "seven-point plan" is what precipitated the succession of Biafra from Nigeria. As it turned out, Ojukwu was alive, and showed his mettle in taking up the cause of an aggrieved and persecuted people, at the risk of his own life. What more could we have expected the man to do? I see a courage in his actions then, that many who now speak against him could never have shown. How easy it is to speak swelling brave words when there is no danger. Ojukwu braved danger, and that is why I respect him so much.
Nevertheless some have insinuated that he was a coward when he left the country as the war was coming to a close. I ask you, what should he have done? Should he have stayed and been executed as a traitor to Nigeria? Is that what they want Igbo history books to record about the first leader of Biafran independence? that he was ignominiously hanged and his body left to rot on some gallows in the prison yard of a Muslim dungeon? Perhaps they would have liked to have seen his dead body dragged in the streets as was done to Ironsi? Would they like that to be the symbolism of Biafran aspirations? I don't think so.
Now it can be argued that maybe Ojukwu should have remained in exile as a continuing symbol of the nation of Biafra, but that is not the reality on the ground. Since it is not so, we cannot expect this person to not go on with his life. He should be free to make his choices as a private citizen and live his own life. The forces of history dictated his part in the war for Biafran independence. I would hope we can all see at least some of his symbolic importance to the actualization of Biafra, and at the same time not expect him to be a super-human, because he is not. If he makes mistakes(as all of us do), I wish we would not try to blame all of our troubles on him, and lay our plight squarely on his shoulders, as if he planned it all, in a effort to hurt us. If we want to find fault about the past, let's look to the British, and to the Muslims who officially planned to exterminate us, which Ojukwu, as a patriot, fought against. That's the way I see it.
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Honourable Greg, It`s good you take the time to educate some arm chair critics here who have no atom of knowledge whatsoever on what they are saying or the desperate circumstances that inevitably culminated into the Biafran war of survival.The most disheartening thing is not their exuding of crass ignorance but their stoic reluctance to even read about their own history from whatever source they wished before posting motor park arguements here.I`m glad you and a few here take time to educate those who wish to know on the true circumstances that forced Biafrans to the battlefields before we could effectively build a formidable military force which they also ignorantly blame Ojukwu for.Kudos on your painstaking efforts at curing this disease of ignorance on the real issues always.
WHAT HAS OJUKWU DONE FOR THE IGBO NATION SINCE HIS RETURN FROM EXILE? Bababoyz, a more proper question would be "what has Ojukwu done for the Igbo`s?" or let me put it this way, "what has anybody been allowed to do for the Igbo since 1970?" ask your questions this way and I think you will be able to find some convincing answers.
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Brother I just thought it was time to set the record straight as to how the war started and who was really to blame. Without regard to the present crisis involving Ojukwu, I was just tired of hearing people blame him, and only him, for all the lives lost. He did make mistakes during the war, but the genocide against the Igbos was a pre-planned strategy of the northern Muslims and something Ojukwu could not have stopped except by taking up arms against it. As for the crisis surrounding him presently, I'm still waiting to see the final outcome.
quote: The programme is outlined as follows: 1. (a) to kill off the Major-General and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, T.J.T. Aguiyi-Ironsi (b) to kill off all the Yamiri Army Officers; (c) and subsequently purge the Army of Yamiri by killing the rest in the ranks. 2. With the aid of the Westerners in the Army, to take complete control of the Armed Forces, the Police and the Navy and to purge off the Yamiri in these Forces too. 3. To kill off and dispossess all the Yamiri domiciled in the Northern Region. 4. To use the control of the Armed Forces to take control of the country's Government. 5. To revenge Sardauna's and Abubakar's death by killing Dr. Zik, Dr. Okpara, Ojukwu and Major Nzeogwu. 6. To destroy Port Harcourt, Enugu and the University of Nigeria, Nsukka. 7. To kill all (a) Yamiri in top civil service posts; (b) all wealthy Yamiri - male and female; (c) all Yamiri educational giants; (d) all grown up males and females of Yamiri; (e) to leave out only sucklings in Yamiri land. (Tribunal Report pp. 133-134) Page 6 Contd.../
an excerpt from the COMPLAINT MADE TO THE DIRECTORATE OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE STUDY OF THE CRIMES OF GENOCIDE, commonly called the "Genocide Papers." They are maintained for posterity by Ekwe Nche.
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""We are going back to Aburi," Unongo, a local political voice in both the Middle Belt and the North said. He asked: "Have we addressed the issues that Biafra raised? This Obasanjo dialogue is another Aburi." He regretted that the leadership of the country are yet to learn from the hard lessons of our past political history. "A Aburi," he explained, "Ojukwu beat them hands down, they turned around and undercut him by creating states so as to nullify what they agreed."...Paul Unongo
Those Igbo who continue to criticize Odumegwu Ojukwu do so because the Ngwati press has saturated their head since 1970 with crude Ojukwu propaganda. Otherwise why don't these armchair critiques do a little research of their own to find out what happened between 1966 and 1970, and how Ojukwu moved quickly, bravely and brilliantly to protect Igbo/Biafrans. It is conceivable that if they for once tune out the Ngwati press and break out of that captivity, they may begin to see that any respect the Igbo has today stems from the actions of Ojukwu to confront genocide and the nigerian evil head-on. Without Odumegwu Ojukwu, the Hausa/Fulani and the Yoroba, wouldn't spare the opportunity to rid West Africa of the non-conformist Igbo that make their cultures look so bad, and all Igbo, particularly the Igbo man, would be prostrating before the yoroba/hausa oligarchy and their backward cultures.
I ask the brave Igbo motor-mouths on this board to get off their lazy high-horse and do the 'hard work' of educating themselves on Biafra and Ojukwu. Better still, another opportunity has now presented itself to lead the Igbo against olusegun obasanjo's lavied war on Biafra. Let's see you sacrifice your comfort in America/Europe, like Ojukwu had to do, return to Biafra and lead. Armchair second-guessing, blaming Ojukwu for every minutia, beacuse the yoroba press tells you to, has no honor.
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Folks, It is sad to read some silly posting here from people who have no clue or are ignorant of the position of Ndi-Igbo and Ojukwu's relevance among Igbo's, before the war and after the war. Those who claim to be Igbo whom i read here, either do not know the history of Ndi-Igbo/Ojukwu or are just ignorant. It is very annoying also to read those who are in total support of the havoc their baba (OBJ)is recking among Igbo's, and turn around using this forum to post sarcastic comments. If you are a true Igboman and have no or limited knowledge of our history with nigeria go to your elders or call home and talk to those who know the truth about us Ndi-Igbo/Ojukwu and nigeria. Please stop your childish and ignorant posting here.
Nwannem, I know I have posted the northern Muslims' "seven-point progrom" of genocide against Nd'Igbo several times now. I did it because I want these historical facts to sink down into the hearts of all who frequent this board, so they might understand the passion behind our position on many matters. Even so, every time I read through this abominably evil and official position of the Muslims, drafted well before the succession of Biafra, I feel like a bird before a snake, entranced, and hynotized by their utter wickedness, and their determination to murder(cos murder is what it is) every Igbo human being except tiny babies(sucklings). This makes me pause as though I came across a dead body in the street. I stare at their gross inhumanity, as one looks directly into the face of Satan. Brothers, look again with me at "point number seven" for a few moments, and study the twisted face of the devil himself.
quote:The programme is outlined as follows: 1. (a) to kill off the Major-General and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, T.J.T. Aguiyi-Ironsi (b) to kill off all the Yamiri Army Officers; (c) and subsequently purge the Army of Yamiri by killing the rest in the ranks. 2. With the aid of the Westerners in the Army, to take complete control of the Armed Forces, the Police and the Navy and to purge off the Yamiri in these Forces too. 3. To kill off and dispossess all the Yamiri domiciled in the Northern Region. 4. To use the control of the Armed Forces to take control of the country's Government. 5. To revenge Sardauna's and Abubakar's death by killing Dr. Zik, Dr. Okpara, Ojukwu and Major Nzeogwu. 6. To destroy Port Harcourt, Enugu and the University of Nigeria, Nsukka. 7. To kill all (a) Yamiri in top civil service posts; (b) all wealthy Yamiri - male and female; (c) all Yamiri educational giants; (d) all grown up males and females of Yamiri; (e) to leave out only sucklings in Yamiri land. (Tribunal Report pp. 133-134) Page 6 Contd.../
an excerpt from the COMPLAINT MADE TO THE DIRECTORATE OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE STUDY OF THE CRIMES OF GENOCIDE, commonly called the "Genocide Papers." They are maintained for posterity by Ekwe Nche.
What kind of people would plan the extermination of a whole people for the actions of a few? They are the same people who live today in northern Nigeria. Need I add that they are mainly Muslims. Many who took part in genocide are still alive today. Will we now place confidence or trust in such a people? If not for the resolute actions of some in our defense, the Igbo people might today be extinct.
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Greg, God bless you nwannem, for taking your time to teach some of these ignorant and uninformed members of this forum what they don't know or have forgotten.I remember sometime ago a very young Igbo girl who studied law in England was visiting me here in the USA, she asked me why Igbos are still part of nigeria after what she read Igbo's suffered in the hands of other nigerian's before she was born. She queried what Igbo's are doing about our suituation in nigeria? Unfortunately i had no definite answer for her. The good thing is that our educated young ones are begining to ask some questions.While the uninformed amongs us are singing the same tune with those who hate us.
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It is a true saying that "Ignorance Is Disease," and even more true that some on this board are a walking laboratory of pathology.
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I would say that it does not surprise me that some people would never learn.We are faced by a very shrewed enemy who uses every tool in the game of deceit to lure more of our people into a false sense of trust and security.It is particularly sad to see any so called Igboman blame Ojukwu for choosing to mobilise his people to die fighting rather than be slaughtered like chicken in our homes.President Paul Kigame,a former rebel leader is hailed as a hero in Rwanda and the world for doing exactly the same thing for the Tutsis being slaughtered by the Hutus.Biafra might have lost the war,but the Igbos survived and proved the point that no force in the world could exterminate her.A few reports by world class journalists during the period easily reveals the true intentions of the murderers for the Igbo people. For instance,these quotes and letters:
Their evil intention still have not changed up till today.Glance at this chronology of their crimes up till the present day
http://www.biafraland.com/crimes_of_genocide.htm As far as iam concerned,these efulefus should be classified as the Jihadists because,they are another layer of intrigues our tormentors now quickly deploy to confuse the issues.They have even suceeded to a great extent with the use of Chris Uba and co to scuttle progress in Anambra state.We face very mean hateful people. Now,how can one hate a people so much,yet they insist they cannot let us go our own way??? WHY???
Many who are reading this thread may now be saying, "What has all this to do with Ojukwu's leadership, or lack thereof? And that is perfectly ok for them to ask. In light of all these proofs of Northern domination, discrimination, and murder of our people, what, pray tell, can any Igbo leader do? Our only real choice is to forsake Nigeria and develop our own basis of power among ourselves, even if it has to be secret. When this begins to take place, we will have a force to counter the force of our oppressors, and the efulefus who do their bidding. When those who aid and abett the enemy are put in check, the lot of our people will immediately become better. At that point our leaders will know what is acceptable, and what is not, because we will make it very plain to them. This will be a beginning, I think.
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The so-called (OBJ'S) dialogue has not started, yet "Ojukwu" fear symdrome has already set in their minds. These people will stop at nothing to twist and turn what Igbo's will present in this confference. Just mere mention of ojukwu's name as a delegate, now hear them.
( Aburi," he explained, "Ojukwu beat them hands down, they turned around and undercut him by creating states so as to nullify what they agreed." Dr. Paul Unongo )
NATIONAL DIALOGUE: we’re going back to Aburi –– Unongo
NDIDI OKAFOR (Dep. Political Editor), and MOHAMMAD KABIR, Kano
FEDERAL Government-sponsored National Dialogue expected to kick off this month has been described as a highly sensitive political talkshop which outcome could make or break the unity of the country. As a result, it should be given all the necessary support, despite its shortcoming and current opposition from the National Assembly.
These were the views of Dr. Paul Unongo, two-time governorship candidate, ex-minister and currently, prominent member of the All Nigeria Peoples Party (ANPP), in an exclusive interview with Sunday Champion in Abuja at the weekend.
Consequently, Unongo has expressed the fear that if adequate attention is not taken at the conference, it might go the way of the Aburi conference in the 1960s, a peace talk held in the Ghanaian city to address the knotty political issues that subsequently resulted in the emergence of the Republic of Biafra led by then Col. Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu.
"We are going back to Aburi," Unongo, a local political voice in both the Middle Belt and the North said. He asked:
"Have we addressed the issues that Biafra raised? This Obasanjo dialogue is another Aburi."
He regretted that the leadership of the country are yet to learn from the hard lessons of our past political history.
"A Aburi," he explained, "Ojukwu beat them hands down, they turned around and undercut him by creating states so as to nullify what they agreed."
Despite the inherent dangers in the planned talkshop proposed by President Obasanjo, Dr. Unongo said the desired by this government to bring people to talk was commendable. But he hastily added that if the dialogue should achieve the desired political goal, the government should allow the people through delegates, the freedom to make modifications to the agenda.
He said, "We must also recommend within this context that government should not be afraid to allow Nigerians to express their views the way they want to."
While describing the National Dialogue as "serious political development," Unongo bemoaned what he called lack of cohesion in the North to speak with one voice. Nevertheless, he said while not speaking for the whole North, there is a consensus among the stakeholders to give the conference the benefit of the doubt — to support it — for the unity of the country.
Meanwhile, the six-member delegate to the conference from Kano State has promised to consult with delegates from other states to present a united front for a purposeful united Nigeria.
Leader of Kano delegation; Alhaji Magaji Dambatta speaking in Kano, the state capital city, during a radio phone-in programme, said the corporate existence of the country should supersede all things.
But he gave assurance to the state government that the wishes of her citizens would be articulated and presented at the talkshop in Abuja.
Overall, he said a constitutional reform of the country is imperative if democracy will succeed in the country
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Greg: [QB] Njiko,
Many who are reading this thread may now be saying, "What has all this to do with Ojukwu's leadership, or lack thereof? And that is perfectly ok for them to ask. In light of all these proofs of Northern domination, discrimination...............
Bros, Thank you for the above.Only a blind and deaf would not connect the symbolic leadership of Dim Ojukwu to our chequered past.Our oppressors know and perfectly understand this.Thus their continued survellance and harrassment of Dim.I read a beautiful articule on the way forward for Ndigbo
I truely cannot help those who continue to pretend not to see the connection between the wholesale systematic Igbo discrimination & destruction in Nigeria to why the oppressors would prefer Ojukwu dead or made irrelevant to Igbos struggle for equality and justice.Their strategy is precisely an age long military technique."Decapitate the head(General) and even the strongest body cannot be mobilised to fight."
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Here is the conclusion of this thread. Ojukwu should have not taken sides on this matter in his party. He should have acted as the elder to mediate the issue. However, his behavior or conduct still does not diminish his capacity to represent Ndi Igbo. Ojukwu still remains the most viable and functional protectionist for Ndi Igbo. This is based on his experience. He made a mistake and it might take some time for him to realize it, quite human indeed, considering that he has an ego like great leaders. By the way, calling Ojukwu a traitor is not about facts but one's inability to control his or her internal dialoque [anger]. There is no merit to disparage him. Now, let's move to other matters.
Hail Biafra
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quote: OJUKWU RUINED US: Nzeogwu coup Ojukwu subverted us, says Ben Gbulie By CHRISTIAN OCHIAMA Tuesday, February 15, 2005
Gbulie Photo: Sun News Publishing
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A key player in the January 1966 coup d’etat and Biafran Army combatant, Ben Gbulie has declared that Biafra cannot die.
Explaining this position in an interview with Daily Sun in Enugu he said, "if those governing us, those in public offices and those who are in key positions come together and dialogue, we will devise a means whereby nobody can ‘touch’ any Igbo man in other climes and get away with it.
That is the Biafra I want" To achieve that level of awareness, Gbulie said that "if we sit down to talk, we will devise a means whereby we can get along together and in the best interest of Ndigbo". He also described Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu as a reactionary who teamed up with General Aguiyi Ironsi to subvert the 1966 coup that was staged to restore sanity to the Nigerian polity.
"That coup was for the common man, for the downtrodden, for people who were being subjected to all kinds of indignities by politicians. But it was subverted by reactionary forces under Ironsi," he said. Ben Gbulie also spoke of Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu in glowing terms, expressed his preference for dialogue as against violence, deprecated the rising corrupt tendencies in the country and assented that Biafra Republic ought not to have been declared when it was. He insisted that "Biafra was declared in a hurry".
National conference People in Abuja call it dialogue, isn’t it? By whatever name it is called, dialogue is a good thing. There is nothing wrong with it so long as there are no double standards or insincerity. We’ve had dialogues before. We had them under Abacha. We had them under Babangida who we hear is interested in running again for the presidency. Dialogue is a good thing for it affords you the opportunity to express your views. What this means is that people who for one reason or another have never had the opportunity to air their views with regard to the state of the nation will now have an opportunity to do so. I am happy that in this day and age, as a bye-product of our so called nascent democracy, the media can now express their own views without let or hindrance. So, dialogue is a good thing, so long as there is sincerity. Let it not go down like Oputa Panel and other projects embarked upon in the people’s interest. Let it be a meaningful, effective dialogue this time around.
Igbos and national dialogue Naturally, we are part of this country. Igbos should participate in any meaningful dialogue with regard to the state of the nation. We should not hesitate to take our fate into our hands and nobody should be allowed to do that for us. It is as simple as that.
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