As usual, your thoughtful analysis cuts through all the hype and gets to the main issues.
quote:The problem is that when the likes of Ojukwu speak up on such matters, a million more Igbo minions of IBB, Abacha, and Obasanjo are created overnight in Igboland to neutralize and counter him, so that after sometime no one knows anymore the difference between those legitimate Igbos who counter Ojukwu's methods for legitimate reasons in Igboland, and those who were deployed (in our "one Nigeria") to neutralize whatever influence he may be seen to wield.
At the end of the day it begins to appear obvious that there has been a huge shorcoming on the part of Igbos in regard to how we react to the threats made and effortlessly carried out against us while still embedded within the borders of the geographical expression labelled "Nigeria".
--Ukaobasi
It's not really about Ojukwu, is it? Though he has always been willing to champion the Igbo cause when others kept safe at home does not make him immune to errors, misjudgements, and subsequent criticisms. But as you said, it's not about Ojukwu. It's about us! And yet, I want to encourage us to look closely and see that it is not about all of us, only those who are traitors among us. Permit me to try and analyze the situation.
I believe the mass majority of Igbo people are good-natured, kind-hearted, and industrious. They seek to live in God's creation in peace, striving always to improve upon thmselves and their surroundings, for their own betterment, and that of others. They are happy to be with family and friends, and would avoid all manner of agitaion or trouble, if that could be managed. The problems lies in our recent history.
There have been few studies that I know of concerning the effects upon the collective psyche of a people brutalized by genocide, but we must not under-estimate the range of possible effects such brutalization must neccessarily have on its victims. While not pretending to know or understand all possible effects, I think one of them should be clear as the sound of a bell to all of us, that is, the feeling of powerlessness toward those who were part and parcel of our wholesale murder.
We tend to stand idly by in the face of bold attacks, and feel that there is nothing we can do about it. Our enemies have made it so plain to us that our lives are no more valuable than the lives of sheep and goats, that we dare not oppose them, because we will surely be done away with, no questions being asked. Add to this the legitimacy the world has given to our enemies by helping them to carry out their pogroms, and you have the seeds of perennial national depression of a subjugated people, always questioning among themselves as to whether they even have a right to be free.
Please forgive the comparison, but American blacks went through a similar collective psychosis, never believing they could ever respond to the indignities visited upon them by whites, in part because all the world seemed to congratulate and legitimize the whites. If a black man stood up for himself against anyone white, he knew his days were numbered. If he wasn't killed on the spot, he was dragged off to be mutilated and lynched. Other blacks would just look on while their own was unceremoniously butchered, never voicing a protest. At one time in America it seemed that most blacks believed they would forever be oppressed, and that even God himself could not help them, and probably didn't even want to help them. It took a long time to grow out of that mindset but it eventually came about.
The Igbo people have been similarly oppressed and brutalized. Their lives and that of their children are considered cheap by their oppressors, who have become so confident in their estimation of the people, that they brazenly orchestrate complete takeovers of their government state houses with little fear of reprisal. They accomplish this by using Igbo against Igbo.
It is a shame that Chris Uba is an Igbo and seeks to empty the coffers of Anambra state while his own people suffer. It is reported that this Uba was seeking a 2-3 billion naira payment from the public treasury in Anambra, at the expense of all the citizens. Such a person should be quickly taken away from this earth(that is my opinion), and others like him. In Roman times a crime like this would cause the person to have to lie down in the street, and to be beaten with rods within an inch of his life, and then immediately have his head chopped off with an axe, hence the "rods and axes" that followed the presence of a consul or magistrate. It is recorded that Brutus(the one who drove out the Roman King Tarquinius Surperbus and established republican government) presided over his own two sons' deaths in like manner when they were found to be traitors secretly enlisted in the cause of the above-mentioned tryant. But now we get to the real question. Do we have a right to purge our people of traitors? I think we do. And I also think it will not be a sin before God to protect the orphans and widows among us from the violence and avarice of these persons.
quote:WHo is the governor of Imo State? Who is the governor of Abia State, Enugu, Anambra, Ebonyi? Are these not our fellow brothers? What have they done? Apart from Ngige (only b/c of the fire under him) Which of these leaders are accountable and responsible? Considering the amount of revenue they recieve. A retired teacher in Orlu, is yet to receive his pension of 300naira a month. --Nwa-Afor
In Nigeria, the Uba's among us are called Sabo's and efulefus. In America, they were called(and still are) Uncle Toms. They were dealt with here. American blacks rid themselves of them whenever they could. They were also called "snitchers" because they would run to tell the whites about any black liberation talk or agenda. Whites used them to sabotage the interests of other blacks. The same thing happens in Nigeria, only the whites are the Muslim/Yoruba power structure and the"snitchers" are the Igbo traitors who consort with the people's enemies, and support their pogroms, while pocketing money meant for the public good, paid for by the taxes of the very same oppressed people.
We must therefore identify these miscreants, and deliver them to our own courts, and to our own justice system for judgement, and punishment. We must begin to show a pattern of that which happens to traitors; one that will make these persons fear Igbo justice more than their Hausa/Fulani masters. If Israelis can pursue Nazi war criminals in foreign countries, sometimes breaking laws to do so, Igbos can pursue these Igbo traitors on their own soil, and still be just before God. If we cannot have justice within the Nigerian legal system, we must find it without. Traitors and efulefus must begin to dissapear from the political horizon before we can gain control of our own house and care for our own people. This I think should be the first step in going forward as a people.
Traitors like Uba and others, can cause devastating effects upon the lives of every citizen. We must rid ourselves of his likes, and enforce a terrible sanction against those who would imitate his works. I am not talking about vigilante justice. I mean legitimate justice from a legally constituted Igbo assembly. Why do we have to continue to recognize Nigerian authority when we know it is a neo-colonialist fabrication toward our detriment? Igbos have a right to nationhood, and to their own laws and courts, before God, even if they have to be underground for the time being, because of the enemy. Only then will we be free from the forces of subversion within our own ranks.
Nwannaa your analysis is also on the money. One of the greatest causes of inaction, is when unimaginable sums of money are pumped into the hands of Igbos to infiltrate and neutralize the efforts of other Igbos.
What you then have is that a well meaning group of people gather, and before you know it, one hungry (or even misguided) Judas will discover that he can sneak behind to go and collect money and become one of the bullet-proof Hum-V driving Aso-rock contact wielding overnite powerbrokers of Igboland, does Iwuanyanwu come to mind? but we dont have to go that far.
Once others suspect something, the movement disperses, and all that enthusiasm dies down.
This is why that accusation by Chekwas Okorie against Ojukwu resonated and stuck so quickly, and we were all waiting for evidence to confirm or deny it. In this wait, every little evidence or nuance came to count a lot more than its weight, yet even if a video recorder with audio had captured every evidence to indict Ojukwu, how many times would we be able to crucify him physically? only once! and then we would have to move on and figure out how it was that we were had (and our fingers would point straight back at us), and how to move on.
There would still be some non Igbos though who would desire to live in a time-warp where they could wake up each day and re-crucify Ojukwu over and over again into eternity, while they're at it, the impact of Obasanjo's, or Atiku's or IBB's actions would still continue to reduce them to (together with the intended Igbo victim), to subhuman status even as they satiated themselves.
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I know my analysis and conclusions may seem a little harsh but it isn't really so. If we had our own nation, what would happen to people like Uba? We would judge them and punish them, plain and simple. We simply have to find a way of deterring this sort of behavior among our own. It is the single most de-stabilizing occurrence among igbo interests in Nigeria today. The success of these criminals only encourages a new crop of them. We can't expect the Yoruba/Hausa/Fulani power structure to stop them. They benefit from their activities. What then do we do? Hope for change? I was taught that there are three kinds of people in the world, those who make things, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what happened. Though I don't mind the second group, I certainly don't want to be in the third. Do any of us?
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Greg your analysis is not harsh at all. Chris Ubah cannot even be glorified from a common heartless armed robber to a wannabe terrorist, that means he remains an armed robber who has killed and will kill again.
Even captives deserve to stamp out crime within their camps. Even an occupied nation deserves to arrest and execute recalcitrant serial-killers in her midst. This is a civic duty, so there is absolutly nothing wrong in reccomending the remedy you prescribed.
It is the saddest day when because our land is occupied, a common armed robber can look us dead in the eye every day with a knowing smile, and we greet him "good mooooorning sah", as he passes by us with government escorts and bulletproof jeep.
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quote:The Igbo people have been similarly oppressed and brutalized. Their lives and that of their children are considered cheap by their oppressors, who have become so confident in their estimation of the people, that they brazenly orchestrate complete takeovers of their government state houses with little fear of reprisal.
I got all the ....ages. Been lying low as my brothers do, a couple of days leave is all I needed to rejuvenate my vitality. Moreover, I have stated in the past that my involvement does not revolve around Ojukwu, the entire Igbo welfare is why I'm here. BTW, the maggot is back although his low key approach this time may not save him since he can't help himself. Watch out!
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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I understand that some people are emotional about the Ojukwu Chekwas APGA issue. But, is that why Okwyonwuka should open a thread that is so meaningless? Who is ganging up on whom? For God's sake, Okwy's topic is not only redundant considering all the threads that have been opened on this issue, it is factually baseless. Nearly every line shows that Okwy has no clue or he has not bothered to read anything about what is going on.
Ojukwu began the gang-up on Chekwas when he joined a bunch of people who are quick to tell an Igbo man to "go back to Abia" where he came from and who resorted to renting crowds of fake organizations to pay him solidarity visits.
The only way for Ojukwu to redeem himself is for him to tender an unqualified apology. No amount of manipulation will cover up what has happened.
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Chief Okorie grants Ojukwu, Umeh and company general amnesty. He has asked them to sin no more for this is a case of "no victor no vanquished."
How will "the person of Ojukwu" welcome this unending humiliation? Another pardon for Ojukwu. This time, from Chief Okorie.
The only thing that can save Ojukwu from making further polical mistakes is stop acting of fist impulses and seek advice. The speed with which he, Ojukwu accpted the Chairmanship offer from Umeh tells me something. Could it that Ojukwu is not making enough income? Most of his decisions are money-driven.
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LOL@Rick's [How will "the person of Ojukwu" welcome this unending humiliation? Another pardon for Ojukwu. This time, from Chief Okorie.]
Stop it Rick, my tommy hurts from laughter. The issue is not a laughing one though.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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Having just read between the lines in this newspaper report in the SUN newspaper which I found today, some disturbing concerns have been raised in my mind about convictions previously harbored in my outlook of things.
Below is the link which I now attach, and the four major parts of it That I found disturbing, along with my comments (in bold) after each part:
quote:Chekwas Okorie ran APGA as personal property – Women leader By PETER ANOSIKE SUN Newspaper Wednesday, February 16, 2005
Princess Hajia Nana Dahiru (Photo: Sun News Publishing)
1.) ....... “What you see as crisis in APGA is mere repositioning. We are trying to put round peg inside a round hole. You call it crisis, but we in the party call it restructuring.
Mere repositioning??? This comment was particularly offensive because it created the sense of premeditation and bad faith
2.) ..........According to her, Chief Chekwas Okorie short changed the party. “I am with the Umeh faction because when the problem started, I had the opportunity of talking to the warring parties. Despite all the allegations being levelled against Chief Okorie, he has not denied any of them, neither has he addressed any of the issues. What he is doing is pointing finger here and there, which he has even extended to Dim Chukwuemeka Ojukwu, who is now the Chairman Board of Trustees of the party.”
W.r.t. “Chukwuemeka Ojukwu, who is now the Chairman Board of Trustees of the party” This comment is distressing in that as one who should have been an arbiter in this matter, Ojukwu inserted himself into the affairs and lost credibility by accepting this position with one faction, thus belittling his stature while the confrontation was still under his arbitration
3.)......... “Chekwas Okorie is somebody who I respect as a person. But the way he has been running the party since registration has been very unfortunate. You cannot go to any state of the federation and see where APGA has a befitting secretariat.
........Apart from that, he is a dictator. He has privatised the party. He ran it as if it was a personal property, which is quite unfortunate. If he had been liberal and allowed other members to contribute their own views, our party would have fared better. But he won’t allow that. He is a feudal overlord.
........“The suspension of Okorie is very constitutional. More than two-thirds of the members of the National Working Committee voted for his removal.
What disturbs me in the sentences above is that nowhere was it shown what sincere efforts had been being made by Ojukwu or other senior stakeholders to rectify this condition previouslyif it was so disturbing, something that suggests Okorie had been the one doing all the hard work and heavy lifting all along, nowhere was sincere good faith effort to weigh in by suggesting alternative ways to do things demonstrated as previously existing, documented as having been brought to the table and how many times, before suddenly exploding in the papers that Okorie had been expelled
4.) ........ “Chekwas Okorie is not going to leave the party. We just want him to vacate the position of national chairman. That he was suspended from the post does not mean he would no longer be an APGA member. After all, he was not born a national chairman. But on the other hand, if he decides to leave there will be no problem. APGA will still forge ahead. Chief Alex Ekwueme founded PDP. When he left, PDP still forged ahead. That is what will happen if Chekwas leaves APGA. Nobody is indispensable. Our greatest joy is that Chief Ojukwu is on our side and he commands more respect and followership.
To me this particular paragraph is the smoking gun that suggested a coup had been pulled by people whom Okorie had had no reason to fear or distrust in his dealings with them
OJUKWU DID BETRAY CHEKWAS OKORIE!!! AND IN THE HANDLING OF THIS PARTICULAR MATTER OJUKWU DID MISLEAD, DISRESPECT, AND ABUSE ND'IGBO'S TRUST!!!
For all the comments I have made on this board, indicating in any form or fashion that it was in Chekwas Okorie's court to go back and provide account to the questions put to him by Ojukwu as regards the allegations of financial impropriety levelled by the Umeh faction, This posting hereby nullifies them all, no matter in what thread they be.
Responsibility never lay in Chekwas Okorie's court to disprove the wrongdoing levelled by his accusers, rather, responsibility to substantiate the allegations made against Okorie lay in the laps of his accusers.
To the extent that it may not have occurred to Chekwas Okorie to express this firmly to Ojukwu from the get go, that oversight is not a crime and does not warrant the underhanded brash and unIgbolike judgements and action taken against Chekwas Okorie by Ojukwu.
UNRESERVED APOLOGIES TO CHEKWAS OKORIE: OPPORTUNITY STILL BECKONS!!!
For any injurious insinuations possibly deriveable upon the reputation of Chekwas Okorie by my suggestions already nullified above, my unreserved apologies are also hereby rendered.
While I believe that Ojukwu's intentions towards the Igbo people he has always hoped the best for remain good, I also now believe that Ojukwu in the manner of his dealing with his loyal friend and protege Chekwas Okorie, owes a debt of apology (as previously suggested on this board by Greg) to Chekwas Okorie particularly and to Nd'Igbo in general for abusing their trust.
To re-unite Nd'Igbo in this matter, and begin to ameliorate the trauma inflicted upon them unexpectedly, Ojukwu must now unequivocally and unconditionally make a fatherly move to reconcile himself to his protege and to apply his influence upon Umeh and others in that faction to assume a more remorseful and sincere disposition for the attempt to have callously taken over what Okorie had laboriously built with his own sweat and tears, put aside their battle postures, and in good faith present and assist Okorie in bringing about any genuine reforms that it was they had been harping on about.
CONCLUSION
My positions regarding transparency, accountability, and "responsibilities of ownership" w.r.t. the relationship between the Leaders and the Led as the only vigilant way forward in which the Igbo masses can begin to seek empowerment from this point on remains. I now swallow hard and accept my humble pie.
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welcome to the club. What club? The club of those who have all along known the falsehood of Mr Ojukwu. Yes, all along it's been known within diplomatic circles, that Ojukwu is not only a betrayer, but an opportunistic, heartless, vain, arrogant and power-hungry product of british colonialism and british indoctrination.
In your conclusion you mentioned "the only vigilant way forward for the Igbo masses". There's much more required for the advancement and improvement of a people, not only those three issues which you've mentioned. There's the issue of justice and responsibility for one's actions and words.
Let's look at the issue of responsibility:
Now that Ojukwuians are witnessing the demystification of Ojukwu, are you (and other Ojukwuians) now ready and mature enough to offer profound apologies to all those people (both on the web and in real life) whom you've verbally chastised, abused, belittled, insulted, ridiculed and mocked just because they did not believe in your Ojukwu?
Are you man enough to do that? Are you human enough to say "I was wrong"? It's good that you openly apologised to Okorie, but what of all the others which you've wrongly attacked just because they refused to worship Ojukwu like yourself?
quote: I now swallow hard and accept my humble pie....-Ukaobasi
Bon appétit! Get ready to swallow even more, as the whole Ojukwu/Biafra show has merely just begun. The next pie for you to swallow will be Ojukwu's Biafra itself. When you're ready to swallow that pie we shall discuss about the issue of justice.
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Could someone explain the rationale behind not pursuing with vigor these pressing and equally disturbing issues with the same intensity that our adversaries show on any and everything concerning Igbo, Ojukwu, Biafra so forth even when such is so inconsequential and over expended? Most if not all of the listed topics that do not draw the attention of the EFULEFUS in house have a lot to do with the negative image of the worthless country you call nigeria yet they skipped their response.
Topics/Authors
What is that Thing? - Mankelv
Islam a religion of peace? - MeBiafran
The Real Nigerian History – Ochiwar.
THE SACRED THIEVES OF NIGERIA! – Mankelv.
Violence and Crisis in Edo/Ekiti - Odester Nchege.
Obasanjo's Anti Corruption campaign is a failure – chiboy.
Nigerian Fugitives on the lam by U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration – MeBiafran.
AWO DESTROYED NIGERIAN UNITY . COULD NIGERIA BEEN BETTER OF WITHOUT AWO? – chima njoku
SOYINKA, AND OTHER PDP CHIEFTANS CONDEMNS OBASANJO'S GOVT. SAYS ABACHA WAS BETTER – chima njoku.
SHAKY NIGER BRIDGE WILL COLLAPSE UNDER OBASANJO'S WATCH – chima njoku.
American rap group scuffle with an out of control northerner – MeBiafran.
BiafraNigerian Economy: Doubting Claims of Yoruba Competence - Amadi O.
Obasanjo Arrests Oshiomhole over Oil Strike – Kunle.
Hausa Warlord, Atiku, says Labor is Threat to Democracy - Seun
Folks, if you're in need of something to address, above are topics that shout for attention so, let this be the end to this topic. Enough is already out of control.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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If APGA is Igbo Party How come this woman from the North is holding a key position in the party. I still maintained that we should not been lumping APGA and Igbo issues together. APGA is a Nigeria instrument of politics which is different from Igbo Issues.
It is hardly hard to separate APGA, Ojukwu and the greater Igbo cause. Whereas APGA is a political Party that is also populated by people from different ethnicities, the Igbo cause is the sole RESPONSIBILITIES of the Igbo and Igbo alone, get it? Yea, APGA/Ojukwu mess tends to affect us not in a heavy way though because WE made it to be so by lumping them together. Yes, they are separable that is, if people should start addressing it as so.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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It's all embellishment, Ojukwu this and Okorie that?
Lets everyone go back to his or her own village! : Abia and Anambra.
If Okorie was Ojukwu`s house boy for 20 years; did he not eat at the OHANEEZE contract sharing?
Who is this Okorie? If he was Ojukwus boy, then he is like all politicians in Nigeria. They are all into looting.
If you investigate this Okorie, you find that he has used he contact with Ojukwu to gain access into the Leadership of your people for self-profiting.
Ojukwu record is clear ...his gate?
Okorie is not a savior nor is Ojukwu the end?
You go to kwara state, a man has put he son to chop. Everywhere in your god forsaken hell, it all about looting.
A question for you moralist. If you were the governor of your state, will you not chop too?
The only thing is a communist state based on year zero?
And for those who are challenged what does politics mean? What is happening in Nigeria with Ojukwu vs Okorie, is politics? To save starving family members, communism is the only viable solution or armed struggle. Which is one and the same.
When you eat you big Mac, think of the need for oil for transporting that stake.
You still can not see the wood from the trees. poor Africans.
Allah be praised.
A $100 please.
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I thought I was the only one who believes that Kenny was posting under the influence of something. I think he is under the influence of "ganja" rather than "akpeteshi/push me I push you/ Sapele water!"
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Umu Igbo, I have had to reactivate this thread and another one just to remind ourselves the debates that were held here on the APGA crisis.
You can all see for yourselves that one does not need an expert to predict that it would all end in tears.
BTW: Why has Dim Ojukwu remained silent during this crisis? Could it be that no one would be willing to listen to what he has to say after he sqaundered for the umpteenth time the political capital which Nd'Igbo gave to him?
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