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The saying goes that a cat may look at the king. The anti-Ojukwu write up is nothing new but shows that people can be mean. The good news is that all the accusations against the people's General and National hero are not substatiated, but are mere allegations. At the end of the day when the dust settles, the real facts will emerge.
He who laughs last laughs last, laughs best. Dim Ojukwu will confidently laugh last and all his ditractors will be where they belong. Political fallouts will never end and both Chief Okorie and Dim Ojukwu shall one day eat from the same pot.
One who knows the Ikemba well will be assured that he will be the last person to be a traitor against his people. Those who find fun in labelling Dim Ojukwu as Igbo traitor will have themselves to blame for rushing to judgment and hasty conclusions. Dim Ojukwu deserves an apology from the demeaning writers who fancy call him a traitor.
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Fada, well spoken. There are many whom through misguided youthful exuberance have allowed themselves to recklessly join a bandwagon which others have cynically initiated, all in the belief that they have a right to their opinions. In the exercising of that right they vent such bravery and fury one best not stand in their way to urge circumspection, lest that one be crushed to pieces. Some on the other hand, are malicious sly crawlers with a hidden motive and an array of disguised methods.
For Dim Ojukwu and those who appreciate what he has stood for, absolutely nothing is lost, in fact much has been gained. If anything situations such as recently occurred with APGA has now merely come to serve as an eye opener exposing exactly what the intentions and methods of some embedded among Igbos appear to be.
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HE WHO NEVER HAD A GRANDFATHER CAN ONLY INSULT OJUKWU.
THEY ARE STUPID AND THEIR FORFATHERS ARE ALL STUPID. THAT IS WHY YORUBA AND HAUSA ARE BETTER THAN IGBOS..YOU CANT SEE THEM INSULTING THEIR FATHERS NOT TO TALK OF THIER HEROS.
I DONT BLAME THEM BECAUSE THEY STUPIDLY INHERIT NONSENSE CHIEFTANCY TITLE AND THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN OPEN THEIR WIDELESS MOUTH TO INSULT OJUKWU.
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quote:Fada, well spoken. There are many whom through misguided youthful exuberance have allowed themselves to recklessly join a bandwagon which others have cynically initiated, all in the belief that they have a right to their opinions. In the exercising of that right they vent such bravery and fury one best not stand in their way to urge circumspection, lest that one be crushed to pieces. Some on the other hand, are malicious sly crawlers with a hidden motive and an array of disguised methods.
--Ukaobasi
Speaking of sly crawlers with hidden motives, have you seen any posts from Jewel lately, the number one instigator of this rash of injudicious opinion. Even Babbaboyz, the number one obfuscator, seems to have lost a little steam. Apparently this thing with Umeh, Okorie and Ojukwu hasn't been the big wahala they thought it would be. It was Ojukwu they were after, hoping that his actions would ruin the integrity and honor of the first ever Biafran Head of State. They failed. They underestimated Ikemba's keen political mind. This is the man that negotiated the Aburi accord, and later administered Biafra while fighting Nigerian forces aided by two superpowers(not to mention Egypt), managed a refugee crisis of biblical proportions in the face of a genocidal and total blockade of his country, and has to his credit so many other worthy and notable achievements. One wonders how these neanderthals could have thought he would so lightly destroy his own credibility in addressing matters less than what his dignity deserves. They have seriously underestimated him.
I think this is why we have seen "neither hide nor hair" of Jewel since his first imflamatory post breaking the story on BNW. He was so gleeful at the prospect of Ojukwu's downfall that he posted his report in all the then-current threads without regard to the particular subject being discussed. As you recall, anger, consternation, and confusion reigned for a day or so. The Igbo detractors were having a field day. I'm sure they enjoyed watching us scramble to rally our own folk.
Of course now it appears different from what they were forecasting. The crash and din of their gloom and doom prognostications has fallen strangely silent now. A relative calm has returned, and the culprits have absconded, to lick the wounds of their own foolish thinking until the memory of their late errors in judgement have faded, and new and more demanding issues are being discussed. Then we can look to see them emerge from their holes again. We should always beware of intelligence from our detractors, as strangers bearing gifts, especially when such news is framed in a frenzy of sensationalism, similar to what we have recently witnessed here.
Finally, the steady and remarkable patience you have shown in these matters concerning APGA and Ojukwu is an inspiration to us all, and a present help to the emotional and unstable minds among us.
quote:For Dim Ojukwu and those who appreciate what he has stood for, absolutely nothing is lost, in fact much has been gained. If anything situations such as recently occurred with APGA has now merely come to serve as an eye opener exposing exactly what the intentions and methods of some embedded among Igbos appear to be.
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quote:One who knows the Ikemba well will be assured that he will be the last person to be a traitor against his people. Those who find fun in labelling Dim Ojukwu as Igbo traitor will have themselves to blame for rushing to judgment and hasty conclusions. Dim Ojukwu deserves an apology from the demeaning writers who fancy call him a traitor
-- Fada Jon
Thank You, Fada Jon
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quote:As an Aba boy I know how to respect elders and Ikemba is our elder.
--Kamalu
Thank You, Kamalu
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quote:I am not here to praise Ojukwu, but I am sure his stance was well recieved when he rebelled against the status quo, and in doing so, proved his point that Nd'Igbo had a choice--a choice between slavery and freedom.
I really do not think there is the need for us to split over personal jealosies as many now think of Ojukwu as just a trouble maker, not seeing through the battle wounds. Not seeing what he went through when those that he trusted and gave his life to stabbed him on the back.
-- Oshamblo
Thank You, Oshamblo
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quote:The above information vindicates the Ikemba. It rather seems like chekwas is the one selling out on the obi ticket and others, as well as running APGA as a private show. That the Ikemba was selling out was never a possibility, that is why I refused to respond to some diversionary, premature, unfounded, and biased criticism by mostly paranoid and rabid Ojukwu haters posted on some other threads on this board.
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quote:..why Yorubas and Awusa are better than the Igbos ...they don't insult their fathers/heros------>OHANEZE NDIGBOS PAIN
I don't know what Igbo your.I think your better off expressing yourself in Igbo than in English and don't let your anger over shadow your Igbo pride. The Igbos have a culture of respecting their leaders but will critic them if necessary. That is our republican values. The difference between us the Yorubas and Awausa is that we the Igbos have the republican right to critic our heros when anyone feels he or she is wrong. Ojukwu remains a dignified and grateful hero but if he crosses the line beyond the best interest of Ndi Igbo, we will critic him. He is not immumed. These critics of Ojukwu have the right to question his integrity and you have the right to rebuttal without being stupid.
Ojukwu remains my certifiable role model and one of the spokepersons for Ndi Igbo.But some people find it questionable and you have to respect their views. Your analogy has been a bit hard for me to swallow. I find it quite insulting. I hope you Copy.
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Take it easy on Ohanezendigbospain. I think we both know he didn't mean it like it sounded. Copy?
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quote:The Igbos have a culture of respecting their leaders but will critic them if necessary. That is our republican values. The difference between us the Yorubas and Awausa is that we the Igbos have the republican right to critic our heros when anyone feels he or she is wrong. Ojukwu remains a dignified and grateful hero but if he crosses the line beyond the best interest of Ndi Igbo, we will critic him. He is not immumed. – Way1
In a nutshell you stated what I’ve always believed to be the Igbo way of life, that is, we also respect our elders it will be unAfrican not to but we at the same time do not condone crap from an elder whose position exposes the greater Igbo nation to a high level of danger. In Igboland, it has always been IMPROPER for a younger one to abuse his elder according to our OMENALA. Way1, I tend to agree strongly with our brother Greg on, “Take it easy on Ohanezendigbospain. I think we both know he didn't mean it like it sounded.” - Greg. Ohanezendigbospain meant no harm and no disrespect to us. I too saw his point which you countered by reminding us that Igbo too respect their elders but do so with the Republican mind of criticizing an efulefu when it is necessary. In Ikemba's case, it was unnecessary since the facts were not there to support the negative views expressed by some. Our disappointment and ‘anger’ towards some of our brothers on the Ikemba issue is this preemptive strike without a strong indicator that our elder did anything against the entire Igbo race. As Greg queried, I too expected Jewel and co. to publish their dossier on Ikemba that would have shown how he betrayed the same folks he laid his life for. But please go easy on Ohanezendigbospain.
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Herewith are two posts I made elsewhere on this board on Ojukwu:
quote: Although I am not Igbo, I follow Igbo (and the larger Nigerian) politics well enough to know who is who. I personally think its an insult on Ojukwu for anybody to suggest that the half a million naira donation made by him was financed by Aso rock. Also, those that know Nigerian politics well enough will know that 500k (500K?!) is not enough to remove anybody! I'm not holding brief for the man but some statements are just too insulting and discourteous for some personalities.
And this:
quote: I know that a hungry man could do anything for a pot of porrige, but I know that Ojukwu couldn't be called hungry by any standard. I will openly apologise on this board if its ever revealed to be true that Ojukwu received anything from Obasanjo. I will also expect his accusers to do the same if (more like when) we all get to know the truth.
I'm glad I'm vindicated and I feel some people make posts just to improve their ratings. I hope they will repent.
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Maan thanks for standing by your beliefs. If you criticized Ojukwu on the basis of substantiable evidence, I would respect you for that as you would be exposing something to many that was hitherto unknown, and thereby educating us.
You must have seen the "Afrophobe" thread on MLK which ended up exposing some information on Mahatma Ghandi that many on this board had hitherto not known but were open to learning about once it was made known to them. The best way to win a debate especially when your opinions are challenged by others, remains to demystify folklore by providing corroborateable fact wherever possible.
quote:but I know that Ojukwu couldn't be called hungry by any standard. I will openly apologise on this board if its ever revealed to be true that Ojukwu received anything from Obasanjo. I will also expect his accusers to do the same
On this count hell might just freeze over before many of his accusers do. There's still previously accumulated gripes to nurse which these latest accusations obviously validate, and they have already prematurely committed.
This is their predicament.
Expect no Perry Mason type effusions here, just more Ojukwu and "his supporters" bashing
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"Ojukwu deserves an apology" for what? We all know who Ojukwu was yesterday, what he is today, and predictably what he would be tomorrow. Now, go figure!
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quote:Even Babbaboyz, the number one obfuscator, seems to have lost a little steam.
Lost steam after four good, ugly and bad years here? I don't think so. Go ask your seniors in the house and you will be warned to stay off my back if you like yourself.
Thanks for the advice. I'm not impressed. Nothing personal of course cos I seem to be under fire for that lately. I don't know anything about you except what I read. That observation was rather harmless, don't you think? It's not my intent to pick quarrels with people, but it is to characterize their efforts to the advantage of my own position on issues. I don't think I unduly target people with rancour. As you should be aware, I am not afraid of an honest debate, which thing is what I am looking to take part in, on the issues of course, to further the clear understanding of what is at stake in BiafraNigeria. Your warning is duly noted, but you should also know that your years here, good, bad, or ugly, inspire no awe in me. I welcome the confidence of those who seem to rest on their laurels. But it is the issues that are important, not you or me personally, and I will try to appease the wrath of those mine accusers by religiously sticking to the higher ground. That said, it is you who should beware of me.
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Greg. You spoke my mind.I can't thank you enough. You handled the mad man here very gently. Ndewoo nwannem.
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Ineba Jimoh, Please shut your mouth UP. You do not know who Ojukwu is. I am sure you have only seen Ojukwu's pic. in newspapers. You can't even come close to seeing him through out your life time. Keep busy and take care of your family. If you have nothing sensible to write, get off your key board. Enough of your ant ranting.
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Njiko, Mebiafran, Greg, Ochiwar, Chima Njoku, Amadi, and others,
People You guys got it going on. You're simply obliterating the adversary with reason and fact!, ON THEIR OWN THREADS!!! and with all their multiple Igbo+ handles!
Anozikwem na nnene! Jisie nu ike biko! Jide ka unu ji
MAN I LOVE THIS PLACE! PERIODD!!! (Who says that a lot?)
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quote: MAN I LOVE THIS PLACE! PERIODD!!! (Who says that a lot?)
Ans: Honorable Tom Buraimoh, QED. Now, where's my gnac/Cognac ok, ok, Heineken in fact make it Guinness?
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Now who's throwing insults. One standard for us, and another for them. That's Nigerian fairness.
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