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I am from Anambra State (the current Guinea pig of the fraud called Nigeria). I am here as one of the represenatative of my people.
Our position is this, if Nigeria must move forward, then we can not shy away from through federalism.
Option A: We stand for 1. Resource control 2. State Police 3. Weak central government 4. No state religion 5. Merit system rather than qouta system 6. Probing of all the past Governments (both civilian and military since independence)
Option B: Lets go back to the regions.
Option C: On the alternative, let Nigeria split. Ethnic groups can align and form their own countries.
Thank you.
___________________ You have the right to say yours, dont deny me the right to say mine! Posts: 14 | From: Port Harcourt | Registered: Feb 2005
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As a newcomer who is writing from Port Harcourt, I must sincerely warn you that this place is not for the chicken-hearted. So, my dear humble friend, if you know you can't stand the heat, please, cease and desist before you get squashed.
I am not trying to discourage you, but to tell you the truth, better don't start anything you know you cannot finish because the bad guys are out there watching your every move.
I must also warn you to stay away from the real bad guys; Njiko Umuigbo, Greg and MeBiafran, for instance. I hope you take my advice and avoid yourself the pains and battlewounds of this fora.
My name is Mota Ogallala, the proud native American
___________________ The greatest thing about America is the right to disagree with the power structure without fear of torture or death at the hands of the government Posts: 217 | From: Ogallala, Nebraska, USA | Registered: May 2003
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Ya ta he(if you speak Navajo), if not, how's it going? Bro, you cracked me up with this...
quote: I must also warn you to stay away from the real bad guys; Njiko Umuigbo, Greg and MeBiafran, for instance. I hope you take my advice and avoid yourself the pains and battlewounds of this fora.
Mota, you ought to know from my writings that I'm one of the nicest, most affable guys you'll ever meet. We're all nice guys, and we've got the scars to prove it.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mota Ogallala: [QB]
I must also warn you to stay away from the real bad guys; Njiko Umuigbo, Greg and MeBiafran, for instance. I hope you take my advice and avoid yourself the pains and battlewounds of this fora.
Chei! Bros you cracked me up so badly with that one.Okey abeg no mind am.Just keep an open mind and feel free to express what you believe.We sure might disagree on issues and opinions as usual here,but in the end we are better informed and greater friends.Welcome on board broda.
quote: I hope you take my advice and avoid yourself the pains and battlewounds of this fora.
Oke, Mota is right, you'll have scars and battlewounds but having scars and battlewounds to show attests to having gone to war and the fact that you survived. You'll be better fighting than running and hiding from a "just war".
I second all your Options. May be we should start from reviewing our past. What has made the current system fail? What happened to groundnut pyramid? what happened to cocoa producing areas? Why has oil been a curse rather than a blessing? How do we implement out come of thise discuss? will the fate of Oputa panel report befall it? What legal authority can we give to the outcome? Probing of all past federal and state government.
delegate 001 from Imo state
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1) Sharia for every state. 2) An islamic state. 3)Arabic as national language. 4) Mallam Mallam as president for life. 5) Jihad for infidels (Nigerians and whites).
To be continued...
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Don't listen to the nay sayers, those that hear or see no evil as long as the Igbo are the recipients of their bad jokes all remain correct. Given that here do get rough, man, it sure lightens up but this shouldn't affect ya going by your post which I support wholeheartedly. To show my affirmation for your position I hereby reprint in its entirety what will resolve the mess obasanjo revived. Just don't disappoint us down the stretch, nothing to fear but fear - Franklin D. Roosevelt 32nd US president (1933-45).
quote: Our position is this, if Nigeria must move forward, then we can not shy away from through federalism.
Option A: We stand for 1. Resource control 2. State Police 3. Weak central government 4. No state religion 5. Merit system rather than qouta system 6. Probing of all the past Governments (both civilian and military since independence)
Option B: Lets go back to the regions.
Option C: On the alternative, let Nigeria split. Ethnic groups can align and form their own countries.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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I have a slight modification to Okey's Option A. While I agree with items 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6 100%, I have my fears about leaving the control of the police to states. My fear stems from our experience as a nation and the kind of abuse that we've perpetrated using the police. Can our politicians in their present shape and structure be disciplined enough not to use the power of policing against their opponents? I know someone will say the federal government has nor fared better, I agree, but do we want to allow these excesses to filter to the states? Will the states use their police sorely for crime control as its done in the U.S. where particular kind of crimes are left to the FBI and other federal law enforcement agents?
The other time some AD chieftains (including Lagos governor, Bola Tinubu) met in Ekiti State, the Ekiti governor through Bode George (PDP VC for South West) called in the military and the chieftains were held hostage for hours!!! A few weeks later when Fayose, the Ekiti governor came to Lagos for an event, he was attacked by Tinubu’s miscreants!!! All because they are members of different parties!!!
Are our politicians matured enough to handle the huge responsibility that will come with the power of state police?
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quote:Originally posted by olusolaa: I have my fears about leaving the control of the police to states. My fear stems from our experience as a nation and the kind of abuse that we've perpetrated using the police. Can our politicians in their present shape and structure be disciplined enough not to use the power of policing against their opponents? I know someone will say the federal government has nor fared better, I agree, but do we want to allow these excesses to filter to the states? Will the states use their police sorely for crime control as its done in the U.S.
Sola, what we have to fear is fear itself as FDR would say.We have laws in Nigeria and the courts.If we spell out clearly that the States police force would be used to combat crimes commited within the border of a state while the Federal police would deal with criminals on inter state crimes like it is done in the US concerning the local government police,the state troopers and the FBI.The truth is that our long years under military dictatorships where the dictators disarmed the military formations for fear of counter coups and mounted propaganda against individual arms ownership and the state police.The Bakassi boys for instance proved the effectiveness of a statewide security outfit.Villages ravaged by criminals but had no access to police units which were only in towns,formed vigilante groups that ensured security in those remote villages.While i donot subscribe to the extra judiciary method of the bakassi boys in being the police and the judge at the same time.A state police outfit should apprehend criminals and charge them to court.While the states` judicial system would try and acquit or prescribe appropriate punishment for the criminals.Why many people disagree with the state police is that they think of the uncivilised approach of the OPC and Bakassi boys militias as what state police stands for.No! State police would a properly constituted police force where the State commissioner of police would intimate the state Governors on the security and crime situation in the states so that proper strategies are developed by those on the ground to fight the crime.The state Governor as the chief security officer of the state makes security decisions and not wait for weeks for Abuja to approve a police operation which in anycase becomes unnecessary or overtaken by new developments after the long delay for approval.
The courts would act as a check on the activites of the state police.The FG may decide to equip the states police forces ,periodically audit their activities/operations and the quantitiy of arms they posses but,the state police commissioner MUST be answerable to the state Governor and not the other way round.The FG may even leave the Nigeria police force the way it is ,but just re-structure it into 36 zonal units commands, with the Governors being in charge of each unit.If the governors are also stripped of immunity from prosecution in criminal activities as the confab promises to do,then any wrong doing on the Governors part would result in a criminal prosecution.America that our people always copy have even county (LGA) police forces! Which oversee the problems of maintenance of law and order in the various cities and counties.These forces are subject to hand over any investigation or operation to the FBI whenever the FBI so desired or the courts order the FBI to do the investigation.That check still gives the federal authority control over the activities of the local police bosses.While at the same time,gives those local police bosses the initiative to fight conventional crime and take on the spot decisions in accordance to the laws of the land.
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The picture you painted will be ideal where things work. The courts? Did I hear you say the courts? In Nigeria? I will be damn glad if the courts can work, and I believe that is the only problem we have in Nigeria. If we all know that sanctions will be imposed for doing wrong, everybody will sit tight. How I wish it will work the way you painted it, but we just have a way of messing things up. If only the courts can work.
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Olusola, The courts can really work in Nigeria as it works in any other country on the planet.Yes,our courts under the military had been gaged.The independence of the Judiciary is a non negotiable principle for any nation to have it`s laws work.Since 1999,the Nigerian judiciary have been waking up to it`s duties.From the off loading the bench of corrupt judges as Wilson Egbo Egbo to upturning some land mark judgements/verdicts against some executive excesses.The Nigerian Judiciary can indeed live up to its counterparts in the world as the custodians and interpreters of the law if we help by insisting on some basic reforms to make the judiciary truely independent.
We must strive to make the judiciary independent.The federal courts (High courts,Appeal court,Supreme court) must be funded directly from the federation account.The executive influence on the appointment or saking of federal judges must be completely eliminated.The National Judiciary Council should be strenghtened and independently funded too so that they can take disciplinary actions against corrupt judges without fear of victimisation. My brother, we can do these basic things in Nigeria.It is not impossible.Smaller banana republics have done and achieved better.The military almost ruined our country by upsurping the powers of the courts in a normal civilsed society.Now that they have gone,it is left to us to build a civilsed society again or just let fall back and let the military culture of impunity and change of existing laws by fiat to suit their purpose continue to drift nigeria from bad to worse.
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