I agree with you, we have to continue with Igbo cause. Actually there may be bright side to all this. May be this will allow Ndi-igbo to start thinking about the future. Ikemba is 71, he is a former smoker, he probably have may 15 to 20 years at most to live. Do we wait until what happened to Yorubas after Awo to happen to us? No. I have viewed all the current day socalled leaders, non of them have shown that they can lead without thinking about their own pocket.
May be is good this is happening now, so that may be out of this a leader will rise that can be counted on. May be is time somebody take Ikemba on that his call for somebody come up and grab the touch from the old generation.
Njiko The point here is why did Ojukwu allowed OBj to deceive him. I have maintained for long time that
A famed English/Igbo (engligbo) saying goes this way – Agarachaa must come back.
Back then in Aburi , Ghana , in 1967, young, very young Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukuwu took care of business, Nigeria ’s business that is.
Odumegwu-Ojukwu then 32- years old, took care of Nigeria’s business such that the conflagration that beset the country 37 years ago could have been avoided; he took care of business such that the genocidal war visited upon his people, the Igbo, could have been averted; he took care of business such that the destruction, looting seizure and/or appropriation of hard earned property of the Igbo could have been averted; he took care of business such that pain, death and suffering that touched many families across the length and breadth of the nations comprising the cage called Nigeria could have been averted; finally, Odumegwu-Ojukwu took care of business such that the comedy now bandied about by the Nigerian Burden – Olusegun Matthew Okikiolahan Aremu Obasanjo in the name of national dialogue should not have been necessary – that, as well as the waste of time, energy and sundry resources that is sure to result.
Whether averting the tragedies enumerated above as they affected the Igbo could have been achieved was really open to question, considering that there were forces - civil and military then and even now that were decided on one thing and one thing only – elimination of the Igbo or as many of them as was humanly possible. Those forces are still alive and active as jackasses (destroyers not builders) doing nothing other than undoing the Igbo.
The man who leads this cage called Nigeria today had sworn to ensure that the sun will never rise from whence God Almighty ordained it to rise – the East – that the Igbo will never rise again. But is not the futility of Aremu’s efforts so evident? The Igbo nation will outlive Aremu and company.
Beginning with his kinsman – the ugly and appropriately aliased “scorpion”, Aremu and the band of vandals he led, in the name of soldiers, noted even by international observers to be the most ill-disciplined band of men did their best to shoot and bomb the Igbo out of existence. They did not succeed.
From the outset of their insanity in the north of the cage - Nigeria , they killed, maimed and set ablaze - all in their sight that reminded them of the Igbo. Yet from the ashes of the inferno, rose the Phoenix – the Igbo – who still reside effervescently amongst those who feel it were best they, the Igbo, were oblivioned.
The Igbo victory, Biafra ’s victory rests squarely on the fact that as Odumegwu-Ojukwu put it, “they (Nigerians) wanted genocide and we stopped them”! This for those who chime about “instrument of surrender” or whatever that they may jolly well stuff up their you-know-what.
The Nigerian killing machine that was backed to the hilt by Russia , Britain and the entire Arab world ran out of gas. Let that Nigerian soldier who was not tired fighting Biafrans put pen to paper, so we may read.
37 years ago, Odumegwu-Ojukwu saw the ill-wind in the horizon, his people – the Igbo having experienced first hand the evil force of this wind that blew away the lives of some, the limbs of some, the heads of some, the eyes of some…..you name it.
Odumegwu-Ojukwu recognized the ferocity of this wind, he realized that it could soon engulf the whole of Nigeria then, the Nigeria in which yours truly, truly believed and “hailed”…as in that venerable anthem – “ Nigeria we hail thee… Our own dear native land…Though tribe and tongue may differ….In brotherhood we stand…”
Such contextual, tribe and tongue - bonding anthem got scrapped by none other than Aremu for some Ajasco Jazz of an anthem that is totally devoid of verve. Thinking about this, one wonders what is Aremu’s taste in music that he easily dispensed of a deep and suitable sentiment- rallying anthem in a fundamentally troubled arrangement – Nigeria - for a virtual Apala sound.
It took the presence of the same Aremu at the helm this time – a la 4 -19 elections to rejuvenate and reinvigorate the ill wind once again. Like a hurricane originating from the Sahara in the north, the wind has torn up the once seemingly monolithic north, through the west to far, far, down south – where the inhabitants of the land that harbor the wealth of an entity are so deprived and are gassed as they protest their suffering.
Every corner of Nigeria that once was their brothers’ keepers, are now their brothers’ killers. Nigerians all that once worked in unison in the effort to rid the Igbo from their entity now turn against themselves – for oil, for land, for cattle, for religion, for politics, for whatever. Aremu’s official residence – center of power in Nigeria - is, according to Wole Soyinka, “a nest of killers”…..and thugs, I might add, as Nigerian peoples are aware that some of the worst terror and destruction unleashed upon Nigerian peoples have emanated from the “nest of killers”…often prompting the man in-charge, Aremu himself to take to public airwaves to announce to the public what happened, the reason and those responsible.
Such is how far off Nigeria wandered from truth and basic decency. Truth is home. Nigeria took a walk away from home – from truth. Nigeria and Nigerians became agarachaa, and like any agarachaa, to home must Nigeria and Nigerians return for home is where peace is.
The rest Nigerian peoples that junked Odumegwu-Ojukwu’s Aburi peaceful co-existence proposals for the blood of the Igbo are today talking about talk in the nature and spirit of Odumegwu-Ojukwu Aburi proposals.
Aburi was not about Biafra . Aburi was about amicable co-existence or partnering in then Nigeria . Biafra was a result of abandonment of Aburi accord by greater Nigeria that was then dripping with Igbo blood. Greater Nigeria cared less that it was impossible for the Igbo to live in greater Nigeria with Nigerians that had just spilled their blood…..as if nothing happened.
Anthony Enahoro, the man championing a group that is splitting hairs on what kind of talk and on what manner of forum to talk understands better than any about Odumegwu-Ojukwu’s Aburi accomplishment, relative to the cause he now champions. Do I expect the Edo man to credit Odumegwu-Ojukwu or at least show regrets for not arguing in favor of implementing the Aburi accord? No. Not in the land of hypocrites - Nigeria .
At the time, as Odumegwu-Ojukwu proposed a peaceful co-existence in Nigeria , such never mattered to Enahoro. The man’s mouth watered only at the prospect of starving the Igbo to extinction. He had it, his starvation plans, designed and ready to go; and so it was easy for him and his ilk to scuttle the Aburi accord and engage in Igbo quick kill.
Enahoro has been singing Biafra ’s song for a while now. His MNR Party’s constitution contains a secession clause – secession – the same reason he wanted all Igbo dead by starvation.
The man is said to have moved the motion for Nigeria ’s independence. He realized 45 years later - after his motion, that in the words of his mentor, Obafemi Awolowo, “Nigeria is but a geographical expression” a contraption of peoples of no known cultural, traditional or whatever affiliation. Enahoro is chagrined or so he appears, over, in his own word, the “bundling” of different peoples by the British into what is today an impossible entity.
An impossible entity - Nigeria that is rife with inter ethnic hatred, inter ethnic chicanery, blatant inequity and brazen injustice - such that demand that the diverse nations trapped in this cage split to man their respective businesses - Okeke, Tunde and Usman to return to their respective homes – and there they must contain and content themselves – even if they have in their homes just sand to eat or trade for survival. Call this dissolution of the British cage or something in that fashion, so all the animals, yes animals - that is how peoples of these parts are regarded, could scurry away to freedom.
Many have seen, spoken and written about the proverbial handwriting on the wall, and they pray for a break in peace, not in pieces.
Here is young Ibraheem Waziri’s clear, honest and courageous admonition for all to internalize “Northerners” (indeed peoples of Nigerian nations) must learn to come to terms with the truth that Nigeria is not created through divine inspiration, it cannot be found anywhere in the holy book, and nowhere else on this planet can we find the sacred inscription: Nigeria is indispensable”.
The least acceptable option otherwise is autonomy for each ethnic region to man their affairs and cater to their own – again for Okeke to cater to Okekes, Tunde d to cater to Tunde s and Usman to cater to Usmans.
Need autonomy undo existing or impede future social and economic association of now autonomous and/or sovereign entities? Why would that be? However, Okeke reserves the right not to associate with Tunde or Usman and vice versa.
It will be putting forth the spirit of Odemugwu-Ojukwu’s proposal at Aburi thus - it is better for Nigerians to pull apart peacefully than to stay put in a clear and present collision path.
And so what does this Aremu dialogue, a phony dialogue, if you asked me, going to accomplish?
After the Aremu dialogue, wherever and whenever it takes place, as sure as the sun will rise, the Hausa/Fulani will continue to be suspicious, loving and hateful of the Igbo – for no reason; the Yoruba, in addition to seeking any opportunity to pounce on Igbo property, they will continue by hook and crook to scheme the Igbo out of their due and continue to reap off other peoples’ sweat and inheritance – see recent turnkey industrial citing – Gas, LNG; the Igbo will continue to be distrusting of the Yoruba – for good reason; the Hausa/Fulani will maintain their contempt for the Yoruba.
As the mutual distrust, hate, despise, chicanery etc., continues, those to whom Nigeria is a playground – the criminal band that has robbed her, raped her and rendered her moribund – will continue to have a field day.
“Which kine country be this? Wailed the great Fela Anikulapo Kuti of blessed memory.
Who is sane that wants to be part of this arrangement, where every group and/or individual effort is always geared to whatever militates against progress?
Now, not only does Aremu’s cunning ways ooze off this his talk thing, many are downright suspicious of it and rightfully so. The north does not trust the talk. Alhaji Shehu Musa smelt a rat a while ago – plan afoot according to him to undo the north. Alhaja Dogoyaro simply wants the talk stopped or talk about talk stopped…. whichever.
The Yoruba are everywhere or nowhere about the talk…that is if you can pin down their head; they support the talk and they do not support the talk; core Yoruba group Afenifere is not pleased with the designation of the talk; a pan-Yoruba group reminiscent of Abacha days – “Pronaco” will not go to Obasanjo talk, but they will talk nonetheless, to themselves. Call that Yoruba “high principle” as a Yoruba commentator would affirm.
The Igbo is ready and prepared as always; with belief that they have a case and a credible one at that against Nigeria ; they want to talk anytime and anywhere.
It is worthy of note that however the talk comes about, it has been assigned a “no go area” even before it began, by the chief rapist of Nigeria ! The man who stole enough from her that he could now pocket Nigerian nations and their peoples.
And guess who is speaking the language of this chief rapist of Nigeria ? It is none other than that loquacious Aremu’s parrot – Fani Kayode. He used the chief rapist’s words verbatim libratum thus– “there is a no go area”.
Kayode, a deacon, they say, claimed in a newspaper interview that “the hands of the lord is upon” his master – Aremu. It could then be that the “no go area” that he and the chief rapist of Nigeria talk about must be divine, an area on and about Nigeria that peoples of Nigerian nations must not talk about even if talk on this “area” could usher in the peace and progress that peoples of Nigerian nations desperately need, else, they will be struck dumb and deaf! Just a thought for this man that knows on who the hands of Lord is.
There is all manner of hullabaloo about a talk that will certainly amount to nothing. And I ask, why the waste of time, energy and even funds?
Agarachaa must come back.
I say agarachaa, and that includes those that are ignorant of Odumegwu-Ojukwu’s contribution to the patrimony of the peoples of Nigerian nations. They should do themselves a favor and read up on the Aburi, Ghana deliberations. They may not concern themselves about the lot of the Igbo at the time in question, they should simply focus on Odumegwu-Ojukwu’s conscious, deliberate proposal/prescription to his colleagues on the side of greater Nigeria, led then by Yakubu Gowon, on how best to realize a Nigeria that you and I would have been proud of today and way, way into the future.
A sound and proud patrimony it would have been for us, for our children, for our grand children, for our great grandchildren with Odumegwu-Ojukwu’s prescriptions that sheer hatred induced myopia did not allow the light of day.
Nigeria and peoples of Nigerian nations strayed from truth, and thus are they veritable agarachaa - wanderers away from home – truth - to which they must come back for peace and progress to ensue.
Agarachaa must come back to Aburi; else, there is no way out of this hellhole.
Peter Opara is the author of Understanding the Nigerian Nation Tribes – Why they Boil.
February 16, 2005
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quote:I am glad Ikemba would be rudely awakened again by this back stabbing from looking only at the face value of our collective interest as Igbo people ........
Let it be recorded that Ikemba by his latest action has joined our adverseries and has disqualified himself from ever representing Ndi Igbo.
Can we try and look at these events rationally.
1) Obasanjo call a jamboree that would rubber stamp his desires for a third term.
2) Ojukwu says he would want to attend whether appointed, nominated or elected. This was when Obasanjo was begging Enahoro to attend.
3) Ojukwu gets promised a slot by Obasanjo on the condition he gives a written undertaking to support the Umeh faction. (In so doing Obasanjo ensured that Ojukwu would not attend)
4) Realising that he had been betrayed and still desperate to attend, He abandons his brain child, the Igbo national assembly and runs to Ohaneze hoping they would nominate him and was subsequently shunned by them.
5)The final nail in his coffin would be evident when Ngige's election is annulled and another election called. This would be contrary to the promise made to hand the governorship to Peter Obi by, you guessed it Obasanjo. Then they would find out that Peter Obi cannot even run as he has no party. Folks, Why do you think INEC still recognises Chekwas group as the legitimate APGA.
It is an Oxymoron to use Ojukwu and strategy in the same sentence. The man has a history of being outwitted time and time again. He seems incapable of recognising this defect.
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Brothers, it is not our task alone to choose leaders for Nd'Igbo. Others have made their their voices known in this matter. This does not mean that we have abandoned Ikemba. I still see him as an able leader, but the majority of Nd'Igbo must also accept him as such if he is to be effective. I have capitulated only to their numbers, and to the public perception of fault in Ojukwu, which is far from proven fact. Rather, it is what they want, and we cannot save him from their wrath.
We have voiced our positions and opinions, and they still stand. At some point, to defend an accused against the perceptions of determined vigilantes has diminishing returns. I could continue to interpret events in Ikemba's favor, and make a good case, but we can all see that a guilty verdict is really what most people seem to want, and if you fail to agree, you also will be a traitor, according to their perception. Our voices are being drowned out by the call for the hangman's noose. We have voiced our opposition to these extremities but have been pushed aside.
Futhermore, Ikemba's joining of the Umeh faction has made our defense difficult, and complicated our attempt to change faulty perceptions. We have to let the nay-sayers have their way, otherwise(according to them) we will be doing Nd'Igbo a dis-service, and who knows, we may be next, our motives eventually being called into question. They are seeing blood, and whether we will or no, we won't be able to restrain them. As for my congratulations to them, it is only on the force of their numbers, and the ascendancy of their perception of Ikemba's motivations, which perception I still find somewhat suspect.
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Sorry, this was a duplicate of the previous post.
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quote: Futhermore, Ikemba's joining of the Umeh faction has made our defense difficult, and complicated our attempt to change faulty perceptions.
Exactly!! The man dropped the ball the moment he joined a group that is known for their subterfuge. What good has this animal shouter called victor umeh done for the entire Igbo race, no, disregard this. What good has he done for his immediate village? Ojukwu should have been wise enough to pause and re-evaluate his new found relationship with a known killer, aremu he should have been able to see the trap being set. Not long before their new "romance" aremu attempted to kill him yet he was welcomed into his living room by sharing whatever he has to say in aremu's language. Okorie's thank you expectation for a job well done was truncated by the big stab the young man received on his back yet he was required to not announce to the world the debauchery? I really at this time do not care one bit what anyone says I do not feel sorry for Ojukwu on this.
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Truly there are still questions yet to be answered definitively. This public fight between Okorie and Ojukwu has taken a nasty turn and I think testimony may yet have to be given in some courtroom or by some fact-finding body before we know the "honest to God truth." But as Okorie said, public opinion and sympathy is on his side. That however does not make Ojukwu a devil or Okorie a saint. I think there will be more revelations to come.
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quote:Ojukwu should have been able to see the trap being set by the same man, aremu ...mebiafran
hmmmm, for a yourobber man, a race which you Mebiafran, repeatedly and foolishly termed "inferior to the igbo race", Obasanjo clearly dribbled Ojukwu like IBB maradonised Nigeria in the mid-1980's!
Mebiafran, Check out all the insultive words you used on Obasanjo: moronic retard, stupid, useless, illiterate, semi-illiterate, intellectually deficient and so on.
This "stupid, useless, intellectually deficient, moronic retard, illiterate and semi-illiterate" (YOUR WORDS) man has now managed to outwit YOUR demi-god, YOUR leader, YOUR role-model Ojukwu. How about that, buddy? Don't you look stupid now? Oh, yes, you certainly do look VERY stupid NOW!
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As I have stated previously the only IDIOT here is you, a disowned fella who does not know his identity based on your conflicted life. Only a compound idiot like yourself will not know that even a dummy could pull a trick or two as your stealing father obasanjo did. Fool, didn't the devil also play Eve, God's creation? Open your mind you sorry vagabond!
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Squeeze an orange - you get orange juice! Sqeeze a lemon - you get lemon juice. Squeeze MeBiafran - you get filth and dirt coming out of him.
That which is inside of us comes out once life begins to sqeeze us!
What's the deal, MeBiafran, can't handle the truth as usual?
quote:...didn't the devil also play Eve, God's creation...mebiafran
???? Where did the devil play Eve? The devil isn't even mentioned in Genesis! What's all this about?
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quote:Where did the devil play Eve? The devil isn't even mentioned in Genesis! What's all this about?
Excuse me DUMMY. I forgot to the bini SERPENT refers to their god or something we don’t know. Fool, serpent as stated in the Bible refers to devil, you. Don’t be mad at me for dissecting you I’m doing a job, civic duty it is called. Remember? And you squeeze othniel, you get a ratty bini pebble sh.i.t.
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What is it with you and Ojukwu? You seem somewhat psychotic in your revulsion for the man. Or is it Nd'Igbo you hate so much? What you revel in now is merely the general consensus of Nd'Igbo on this board, that Ojukwu made some tactical political mistakes? Does that mean he is totally finished? And even if he is, does that mean that Biafra is now a dead hope. Ojukwu has been a symbol of the dream, but he is not the dream itself. That will come to pass with or without symbols. The glory of Nd'Igbo is their insistent demand for excellence in their leaders, and their loyalty to the same. The one is not affected except by the other. When all debate is finished, we move on still toward the achievement of our herculean task, Biafra. I'm glad I won't be seeing you there.
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MeBiafran, Genesis 3:1 clearly states, that "the serpent was more cunning than all the other ANIMALS". Doesn't say nothin' about no devil. So where does the devil come in here suddenly? Are you not guilty of "adding to the words of the Bible?".
Biafra, agreed! I do hope that your call is for ALL BNW forumites (insultive Mebiafran included)?
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I don't see victors emerging from this mess online or offline in the short term. In the long term I hope we learn to resign, retire or simply curtail our own personal ambitions for the common good. Right from the start my interest has been to ensure that young Igbo nationalists are not sacrificed by the Abuja dealers and wheelers. As I said to Ukaobasi on 7 February 2005:
quote:Ojukwu has been a symbol of the dream, but he is not the dream itself...
Gregory, when did this "republic of biafra" dream commence? Didn't it start in the mind of the same man who has now let down millions of biafranists? Didn't it? Make no mistakes, Greg, Ojukwu's Biafra will never come to pass.
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Now I really see what everyone meant about Jewel/Otniel/Knight/Bread and Butter. I marvel at the sheer childishness of this person. His other personalities didn't seem quite so foul as this one is. Perhaps it is the bad press about Ojukwu that has sent him into this frenzy. Shouldn't this fellow be institutionalized at once? I theorize along Freudian lines that Bread and Butter is suffering from the Oedipus complex, that somehow he fancies himself Ojukwu's son and like Oedipus, feels his life is not complete unless he can do away with his supposed father. Well, perish the thought that such a deviant could possibly be linked to Ojukwu, except in Bread and Butter's dimented mind. If this fascination continues, I think we need to alert the authorities. This character is displaying some very disturbing tendencies.
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quote:Gen. 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent [othniel], Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. AMEN!
Satan, Snake/Serpent, Lucifer all translate to one thing, BAD NEWS which is another name for othniel, the bini boy. Get it?
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Well now, that's a little better, but keep it up. You had me a bit alarmed. To answer your question, Biafra, or the thought of the whole Igbo community has always been in the collective consciousness of Nd'Igbo. No particular name was ever neccessary. It was only the actions of the colonialists that upset that national harmony by grouping Nd'Igbo with strangers. Biafra, as we now say, has always been a fact in the hearts and minds of the people, and always will be. That is why they are called UmuIgbo(children of Igbo) as separate and distinct from others. A nation is not formed by land boundaries only, but by the collective consciousness of a people's union and identity. I cannot fathom why you cannot understand this.
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Thus it is established that the serpent of Genesis 3 was an animal.
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Gregory, you've played "follow-follow" here at BNW during your first days. You can't fool BNW readers. They know exactly who YOU are: a person who is swimming with the stream, someone who adapts his opinion according to what others think. This is why you edit, change and delete your postings so often.
But that's just by the way.
quote:Biafra, or the thought of the whole Igbo community has always been in the collective consciousness of Nd'Igbo...-Greg
Very good, you've corrected yourself there. Didn't have to wait for nobody to do the correcting for you.
quote:...grouping Nd'Igbo with strangers..._Greg
This "grouping" was continued on in Ojukwu's Biafra. The honourable tribesmen and tribeswomen from Calabar, AkwaIbom and others were "grouped" unto strangers as well: NdiIgbo! ...and please, don't be telling me nothin' about some undemocratic "council of elders" who gave Ojukwu the "go-ahead" to secede from Nigeria.
It's very simple: Calabar/AkwaIbom folks are not NdiIgbo, but they've been rudely "grouped" together unto NidIgbo in Ojukwu's Biafra.
Is that fair? Isn't this the same nonsense which the Colonialist perpetrated?
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