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I don’t think it’s appropriate to arrogate to my self the defender of Gburugburu’s actions and inactions, Dim Ojukwu, an individual, Educated and well experienced is quite capable of taking responsibility for whatsoever action he most have taken in private or in public.
Having said the above, briefly, I will say without equivocation that this crowd that is determined to extinguish its resources vaporising vehemence and anger on the person of EzeIgbo Gburugburu is controlled and instigated from only one misconceived and only good weather source, the monster. This monster is willing to accommodate villains like Nwa Asaba or offspring of corruption like bababoyz. We are not lacking in knowledge to blend ideas of this war that is fought different fields.
Ojukwu took sides in APGA crisis where he is supposed to play fatherly role. So what, how many contributors here does not take sides on issues, or better said, Gburugburu is superhuman, he most not take sides when Chekwas Okorie is involved because Chekwas made Emeka what he is today; so what. If I may pause for a while, what is APGA? A Nigerian state registered political party or a regrouping of defunct revered Igbo State Union. What is this fuss of about taking sides in APGA crisis where there was an unbalanced opposition against its leadership collaborated with allegation of corruption and high handedness? Had Ojukwu not favorable disposed to Obasanjo conference, instead, connive with Yoruba gimmick SNC which is only intended to bring the Igbo weakness to public ridicule and mean castigation if not another round of massacre. Maybe Obasanjo most have prostrated in Yoruba fashion and make Ojukwu head of his conference as the case of Wole Soyinka and Anthony Enahoro. ‘Ndi ibeanyi, onwero uzo esi jebe onicha di nso’, if the reverse was the case, to say the truth, Ndi Igbo will fail woefully. Its my strong believe that we most attend any conference called by Nigeria, debate and argue with them and extract what ever gain possible, thereby enrich the base of our arsenals in preparations to a possible emancipation from Nigeria.
Ojukwu, Chekwas Okorie and Obasanjo conference deal, umunna, to the best of my knowledge, Chekwas Okorie is the only person that confessed that he made a deal with Obasanjo to support the illegitimate government if he hands over south eastern states to his party. He also made it clear that Obasanjo refused to hand over all the states to his party but reached a middle ground of Anambra and Enugu states respectively, an agreement that was not kept by Obasanjo. Obasanjo consulted Ojukwu about his intentions to hold conference, Ojukwu made it clear that he is in support of the any meeting that will move the people forward, and then, expressed his willingness to attend even with all its shortcomings. Where is the wrongdoing that warrants the insult on Ikemba Nnewi that spread across this forum?
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quote:Ojukwu, Chekwas Okorie and Obasanjo conference deal, umunna, to the best of my knowledge, Chekwas Okorie is the only person that confessed that he made a deal with Obasanjo to support the illegitimate government if he hands over south eastern states to his party.
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This Okwy of a guy is not only "clueless" (apologies Wacko) but damn right STUPID and DUMB like his demi-god Ojukwu. Infact, he is one of those I refered to as "forces of darkness" in my post to the 'Famous Quote' thread started by Waypoint.
This fellow who must have been dealing in fake drugs (and must have been consuming same thereafter) at Headbridge Market in Onitsha before travelling to an equally third world country (Chile) are the type of Igbos whom we must keep in check if Igboland must progress.
It is people like Okwy who still think that Igboland starts from Nnewi and ends in Onitsha(just the same way Umeh and co thinks) and must be led by someone from the Nnewi-Awka-Onitsha axis that ought to be told that THIS IS 2005, and not 1967, when leadership was defined by how many people one killed instead of how they saved.
So whether Okwy and his gang from Anambra State and their errand boys from other parts of Igboland want to hear it or not, and if no one is bold enough to tell them, I, Nwa Aro, being the AUTHENTIC, ORIGINAL and PROUD Aroman on board is formally telling them that the era when people from Anambra State held the Igbo nation to ransome, starting from the so-called Zik of Africa is GONE AND GONE FOR GOOD.
Okwy, get this, what most Igbos on this board and elswhere (including some Anambrarians who understand what is at stake) are saying is that: THE IGBO PEOPLE WANT A NEW START; THEY WANT A PEOPLE-ELECTED AND APPROVED LEADERSHIP THAT IS TRANSPARENT, RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE TO NO ONE OTHER THAN TO THE IGBO PEOPLE. UNFORTUNATELY, FROM ALL INDICATION, ITS OBVIOUS THAT OJUKWU AND HIS FELLOW POWER USURPERS FROM ANAMBRA STATE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER THOSE SEVICES. SO ITS TIME THESE OPPORTUNISTS LEAVE THE IGBO PEOPLE - STARTING FROM ABIA STATE TO ENUGU STATE - TO CHOOSE THEIR RIGHTFUL LEADERS. Period.
No amount of finger-pointing, scape-goatism or blackmail (thank God most people on this board do not care a hute about such nonsense anymore) by Okwy or anyone on this board will stop the REVOLUTION FOR CHANGE STARTED BY OKORIE AND CO.
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Owky is entitled to his opinion, just like everybody else. I don't see any need to insult him. He has intelligently articulated his position and ought to have some respect from his brothers, even if his position exasperates some of you. The careless insults thrown out for no good reason does not reflect favorably on the individual. That is my opinion.
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Your personal insult to people instead of addressing issues is becoming a distraction. You were one of the highly respected members of this forum, However your recent actions have put that steem in question. Few days go you heaped so many inuendos about some of us including me. I deliberate ignored it. Many of us have accepted that what Ojukwu did was wrong. However You and Wacko have started to take this thing to a different level. Okwy have every right to his opinion that is not a reason to call him stupid and clueless.
One thing we don't want is to turn this whole APGA issue into a virtrulic attack on the person of Ojukwu. There are still things many of us don't know about what tranpired between Ojukwu and Chekwas Okorie, We have only heard chekwas side because he has been talking to press, we have not heared completely from Ojukwu. So everybody have his/her opinion, if that opinion is different from yours and that of Wacko that is not a reason to call that person clueless and stupid. Clueless and stupid by whose measure by Nwa Aro and wacko's measure.
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Nwa Aro I am really surprised that someone could be so attacked and insulted on this board just for expressing his honest opinion. Your fellow Igbo brother for that matter. You may have to get used to the fact that not every one shares your opinion or feels that your opinion is god sent. Please reflect on the message of our lord when he says "let him that is without fault cast the first stone". You cannot force people to your ideas by insulting them. what you are doing is not constructive critisism. And again let me tell you one thing, there is only one Igbo race. There is nothing like Anambrarian or Abian or Enugu state, there is only Igbo. These are only artificial divisions created by the enemy to perpetualy instigate us one against the other as a devided house cannot stand. It has been his age long tactic and you are a willing pawn in his hands by your unfortunate, hatefilled and klanish tirades against certain sections of the Igbo. Does it mean you hate Ojukwu because he is from Nnewi or from Anambra? If he where from Aro would you then be clamouring for him on this board instead of insulting him? We shall get no where as Igbos with that type of thinking.
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All of a sudden Chief Chekwas Okorie is a hero and freedom fighter for Nwa Aro and Brother Wacko. My question is where is the beef with this Okorie guy. APGA is a Nigeria political party, I think we have to start differentiating from Igbo issues.
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Greg, biafra, Ochiwar: You guys happen to be some of the guys I happen to hold in high esteem (forget the fact that some new arrivals who do not know who the REAL IGBO WARRIORS are chosed to castigate instead of giving Nwa Aro and co their dues) so I wouldn't through "insults" at you folks.
To be honest, I dont have anbyone in mind when I write. On the contrary, I put my feelings across as I feel it. So bro Biafra, if you think I had you in mind when I made any of my posts, I wish to use this opportunity to say that I DIDN'T MEAN TO HURT YOU IN PARTICULAR IN ANY WAY OR SHAPE:
Haven said that, it pains to see me being at odds with Ojukwu and some of the pro-Ojukwu/Igbo characters on this board whom I have had reason to respect in the past. But as they, "in politics, there's no permanent friends, but permanent interests." So I hope you guys see my recent DEEP-SEATED outbusts in that light.
If you guys can review my resume, you will see a totally committed and embedded Igboman who has always seen Igbo as a a WHOLE. But one cant help than review that stand when I see the types of Ojukwu ally with his fellow anambrarians to tier the Igbo nation apart and worst of all, to see hios fellow Anambrarians defend him as if he is infallable. You guys have to review the "Ojukwu is a Traitor" thread to read where Umeh told Chekwas Okorie to "go back to Abia State
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quote: All of a sudden Chief Chekwas Okorie is a hero and freedom fighter for Nwa Aro and Brother Wacko. My question is where is the beef with this Okorie guy. APGA is a Nigeria political party, I think we have to start differentiating from Igbo issues
Biafra,
No one certainly not Wacko, is referring to Chekwas as a freedom fighter. All I am doing here is calling a spade a spade. Is Chekwas capable of resisting Obasanjo's financial inducements' I do not know so I cannot vouch for him on that matter.
What I can say is that he called it right and Ojukwu got it wrong. Chekwas is not the one with the title "gburu gburu" so the expectations on him are quite low compared with one who goes by that name. What I seem as hypocrisy is the leballing of Chekwas a dictator in the way he ran APGA by the Ojukwu apologists on this board. They very conveniently forget that this charge was labelled against him by the anti-Ojukwu members of APGA (including the now born again pro- Ojukwu) Umeh, for daring to force the candidature of Ojukwu on APGA.
Same people playing the corruption card have not explained how Chekwas who spends "24-7" in Ojukwu's house was able to get a cheque book in the Umeh who holds the party Cheques and forge the same Umeh's signature. Please try to rationalise every excuse which people give before accepting them as gospel truth.
We are yet to be given an explanation of why "Gburu gburu" after nuturing INA as a force in Opposition to Ohanaeze would now attend the Ohanaeze parley. He has clearly abandoned INA. Talk of consistency.
It is clear that he has been humiliated by Obasanjo. Go through the archives of this forum and read what concerns CSE raised when he came out with his "appointed, elected, selected or annointed" rubbish over attending the said conference.
The winners of this debacle are as follows;
Obasanjo
Chekwas He has come out of it rather well. The Yorubas If it fails they can say their man reps did not attend. If Obasanjo pulls it off (third term in the paliamentry system ) they can have a Yoruba man still ruling the country.
As Crusty the clown said to Bart Simpson "What have you done for me lately?"
What really can Ojukwu say he has done for NdIgbo lately?
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Thank you for your clarification and response, as I think it was a worthy one. Without regard to any differences of opinion we may ever have, I look forward to more of the same.
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quote:There are still things many of us don't know about what tranpired between Ojukwu and Chekwas Okorie, We have only heard chekwas side because he has been talking to press, we have not heared completely from Ojukwu.
Biafra my brother, ewele iwe ooooo! Methinks Ikemba too have been talking too much especially at the recently held Owambe at Presidential Hotel Enugu. In fact he elevated the crescendo when he made that unfortunate public claim about embezzlement on the part of Chief Okorie, who's supposed to be INNOCENT till guilt is proven by umeh, nwokolo and others. The saddest aspect is the failure of umeh and his fellow crooks to back their noise with irrefutable proof that will convince us beyond any doubt of Chekwas’ guilt. I don’t support any insulting name calling as we saw this afternoon on the person of Ikemba however, he bungled this fallout between umeh, a known crook and Okorie, who’s been Ojukwu’s loyal confidant during his travails in the hands of umeh, obasanjo, nwokolo, you name it.
quote:Odumegwu-Ojukwu, others affirm Okorie's expulsion From Lawrence Njoku, Enugu - The Guardian
THE crisis in the All Progressive Grand Alliance (APGA) took a turn for the worse yesterday as the party leaders endorsed the expulsion of their chairman, Chief Chekwas Okorie.
They also found him "culpable" of all charges preferred against him by the National Working Committee (NWC) led by the rival party Chairman, Chief Victor Umeh.
Addressing the well-attended meeting, its convenor, Ikemba Nnewi Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu, narrated his encounter with the former Chairman (Okorie) over the allegations of embezzlement of party funds levelled against him, insisting that events so far had proved that Okorie was guilty as charged.Without any court adjudication Ikemba found Okorie guilty as charged yet the young man is not supposed to be piqued? Isn’t the onus on umeh to show the world how Okorie single handedly emptied APGA’s account? – Italics is Mebiafran’s.
He, therefore, declared the withdrawal of his support for him, just as he enjoined the members to rally round the new leadership to position APGA as a truly national party...
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Unfortunately, my post was cut short. I hereby continue with the remainder of what I intended to say,
you guys have to review the "Ojukwu is a Traitor" thread to read where Umeh told Chekwas Okorie to "go back to Abia State... (or something in that line)" to understand the mind-set of those folks from Anambra State. So instead of asking Nwa Aro how divided Igboland is or how he sees it, the question should rather be directed at Umeh who clearly thinks Okorie is not a son-of-the -soil (from Anambra State) and Okwy who thinks Ojukwu from same Anambra State is infallable.
Fact is, while we Igbos from other parts of Igboland sees and treat Igboland as a A WHOLE that is and should be, unfortunately, the likes of Umeh, and I must say Okwy judging from his often pro-Anambra posts, has seen and still see Igboland from the prism of Anambra State. That unfortunately is the reason why Okwy like Ojukwu saw Okorie as an "outsider" who should be short-changed for a Yoruba. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why Ojukwu who often spoke in Igbo language at public foras decided to speak in Yoruba when Chekwas was around.
While some see-no-evil and hear-no-evil Igbos on this board can buy the crap being peddled by Okwy and his rented crowd, I , Nwa Aro will NOT buy it that Ojukwu spoke in Yoruba in the presence of Okorie FOR FUN.
THERE'S SURELY MORE TO THIS THAN OJUKWU AND HIS ANAMBRA GANG ARE TELLING.
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quote:......to the best of my knowledge, Chekwas Okorie is the only person that confessed that he made a deal with Obasanjo to support the illegitimate government if he hands over south eastern states to his party
Brother Okwy,
Nwannaa your points remain very valid, just as the basis for your opinions cannot be overlooked and will continue to withstand scrutiny.
In the end disagreement over this issue and a healthy debate among Igbos will expose what the bottomline should be for us all, may this be your consolation.
As for the abuses currently being heaped upon you, my brother, we have all dished it out before, so this is where you must maintain the course, and continue to shame those who have nothing more to add.
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Many of us have painfully critized Ojukwu on some of the recent moves he has made. I don't want to see this as Anambra vs the rest of the Igbos. It pains me most that we are doing Igbo dirty laundry here. I am angry at Ikemba don't get me wrong, the man have made a big mistake by allieing himself with known Igbo efulefu like Nwokolo and Umeh. Hopefully both Ikemba and Igbo will get stronger from this.
quote: ------------------------ ...to the best of my knowledge, Chekwas Okorie is the only person that confessed that he made a deal with Obasanjo to support the illegitimate government if he hands over south eastern states to his party ------------------------
Since Okwy is more informed than everyone on BNW, could Okwy or his stooges tell us what "deal" Chekwas Okorie reached with Obasanjo?
Its becoming clear that this APGA which was sold as a party made of made up of "Doctors, engineers and other proffessionals and what have you" (ala Nwa Biafra) is peopled by thugs and motorpark touts. Otherwise, how could a Chairman of a party (Chekwas Okorie) be deposed in Enugu (by surely a rented crowd as alluded by Chiboy) instead of in Abuja where the national headquaters of APGA other supposedly national parties are located?
Those making the case for Ojukwu and his Umeh touts are indrectly telling the world that thuggery is LEGITIMATE and ACCEPTABLE.
Waht right do these folks have to question ObadsanjO
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As you know, I have already "been to hell and back" supporting Ojukwu wherever I could, but I have also owned-up to the mistakes he made. My position will always be what I perceive to be the greatest benefit for Igbos. Right now, I think that would be the complete resolution of differences between Ojukwu and Okorie. Someone has to make the first move toward re-conciliation for the greater good of Nd'Igbo. Otherwise, just as on this board, counter-productive divisions will arise, and grow like a fungus in the medium of public opinion. As the father he has been in the past, Ojukwu should initiate this healing of divisions. Any personal dimunition in stature he suffers as a result, will, I think, be replaced with re-newed love and admiration for his humility.
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quote: Right now, I think that would be the complete resolution of differences between Ojukwu and Okorie. Someone has to make the first move toward re-conciliation for the greater good of Nd'Igbo. ...As the father he has been in the past, Ojukwu should initiate this healing of divisions. Any personal dimunition in stature he suffers as a result, will, I think, be replaced with re-newed love and admiration for his humility.
On this quote I stand it is what's called for in order to lay this mess to rest. umeh, nwokolo, obasanjo deceived the hell out of Ikemba and his only recourse now is to reach out to Okorie whom I believe in the same Igbo spirit would quickly forgive though not forget. The injustice, the betrayal of a friendship for no just cause has always been my pain and now that most able writers are almost in agreement, we're half way to resolving this, I say. Ikemba should do as suggested by you with this Igbo saying in mind; “iwelu aka ikpa koo nwata ihe, iwere aka nri ficha ya anya nmiri” – as you use the left hand to spank a child, the right must be reserved to wipe his/her misty eyes.
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quote:...and his only recourse now is to reach out to Okorie whom I believe in the same Igbo spirit would quickly forgive though not forget...
--Mebiafran
Let's just hope such a thing is possible. They are both of them assets to Nd'Igbo, each in his own way. It were a shame to lose one because of the other.
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quote:Originally posted by Greg: Right now, I think that would be the complete resolution of differences between Ojukwu and Okorie. Someone has to make the first move toward re-conciliation for the greater good of Nd'Igbo. Otherwise, just as on this board, counter-productive divisions will arise, and grow like a fungus in the medium of public opinion. As the father he has been in the past, Ojukwu should initiate this healing of divisions. Any personal dimunition in stature he suffers as a result, will, I think, be replaced with re-newed love and admiration for his humility.
Greg,
As our able bro MeBiafran noted, and as several writers have posted including Fada Jon Ukaegbu and our bro Biafra the above measures are what is required.
YET!
Yet there is an interim step which will facilitate that process and by which we move from the abusive venting of anger and quick judgement to the level where we demostrate mature empowerment in the projection of our collective will, this step is the gathering of signatures or better yet the contacting of the Diaspora groups which we belong to write petitions to the parties in question notifying them of all the issues with which we have been disatisfied all along and demand not only a ceasefire but a reconciliation and an accounting for the position of JSP Nwokolo, and Umeh among others in a party supposedly representing our interests.
If this request is viewed with contempt or ignored then let us conclusively see it as our collective responsibility to unitedly disown womever falls short of that peaceful fencemending demand, rather than continue to widen the unnecessary internal (and mostly semantic) divide which this occurrence has occassioned among Igbos, by proceeding in an unresolved manner.
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quote:...this step is the gathering of signatures or better yet the contacting of the Diaspora groups which we belong to write petitions to the parties in question notifying them of all the issues with which we have been disatisfied all along and demand not only a ceasefire but a reconciliation and an accounting for the position of JSP Nwokolo, and Umeh among others in a party supposedly representing our interests.
If this request is viewed with contempt or ignored then let us conclusively see it as our collective responsibility to unitedly disown womever falls short of that peaceful fencemending demand, rather than continue to widen the unnecessary internal (and mostly semantic) divide which this occurrence has occassioned among Igbos, by proceeding in an unresolved manner.
--Ukaobasi
This is wisdom in your words. We must begin at once to draft such a document in form and manner agreeable to the furthest extreme, yet voicing the common appeal to heal divisions in APGA for the greater good of Igbos everywhere. The sooner we can bring this about, the sooner all Igbos will benefit. The question now I suppose is, do we undertake the task ourselves, or do we enlist the help of some notable Igbo organization to spearhead this thing? We need input from everyone on this matter, as it is clear that as long as there are these divisions, Igboland will suffer, and those sisters and brethren there are already suffering enough!
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